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Title: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 01:25:05 PM
Just got it on the news, looking for more info.

WASHINGTON - ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people
http://www.startribune.com/politics/33350839.html

The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed by predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

(This version CORRECTS APNewsNow; corrects word to 'but' sted of by in 2nd graf. Will be led.)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot_2
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Pete Dimano on October 27, 2008, 01:37:23 PM
this place will suck now that 333386 is locked up  :-\
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hedgehog on October 27, 2008, 01:37:47 PM
This gotta be some sick joke.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hedgehog on October 27, 2008, 01:39:08 PM
Fox's got it covered too.

This shit seems for real.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/government-foils-skinhead-plot-assassinate-obama/
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Decker on October 27, 2008, 01:47:29 PM
...and a hero will step forward.

We've been through this before.  Every time we have a leader who gives us a little hope...we kill him.

Kennedy, King, Kennedy, Lennon... 
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: CQ on October 27, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
More from Sky UK:

He said: "The youths are said to have threatened to shoot 88 blacks and decapitate 14 in Tennessee, before going out in a 'blaze of glory'."

The US government disrupted an unrelated alleged plot during the Democratic Party Convention in Denver, Colorado, in September.

Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 01:57:05 PM
...and a hero will step forward.

We've been through this before.  Every time we have a leader who gives us a little hope...we kill him.

Kennedy, King, Kennedy, Lennon... 

I'm glad they stopped these guys, but Obama in the same sentence with JFK and King?  He's long way off from being mentioned in the same breath with those guys. 
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
this place will suck now that 333386 is locked up  :-\
Lose your other gimmick? what happened?
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: 240 is Back on October 27, 2008, 02:02:22 PM
plot sounds like unrealistic gibberish between two hate-filled idiots.

still, toss them in prison for 20 years, good riddance.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
I'm glad they stopped these guys, but Obama in the same sentence with JFK and King?  He's long way off from being mentioned in the same breath with those guys. 
true, I don't like to see that either.  Of course hopes are always that a president will be great and if Obama gets in I hope he does but only time can tell us these things.  Same for McCain, if he gets in, I hope somehow he does good... I just have much bigger hopes for Obama, as I'm sure you do for McCain.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Buffgeek on October 27, 2008, 02:04:29 PM
These guys are scum and I hope they get prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law and then some.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: 240 is Back on October 27, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
MSNBC breaking the story down... it just sounds silly.  driving at obama with white suits and top hats.  racist nonsense.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hedgehog on October 27, 2008, 02:09:45 PM
I'm glad they stopped these guys, but Obama in the same sentence with JFK and King?  He's long way off from being mentioned in the same breath with those guys. 
agree.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Decker on October 27, 2008, 02:19:15 PM
I'm glad they stopped these guys, but Obama in the same sentence with JFK and King?  He's long way off from being mentioned in the same breath with those guys. 
It's been 40 years since we've had a guy like this.  George Will was right, Obama is the A-Rod of politics.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 02:39:36 PM
true, I don't like to see that either.  Of course hopes are always that a president will be great and if Obama gets in I hope he does but only time can tell us these things.  Same for McCain, if he gets in, I hope somehow he does good... I just have much bigger hopes for Obama, as I'm sure you do for McCain.

I may not agree with all of their policies, but anyone who loves their country (as I do) should want the country, and the country's leader, to succeed.  That's why I hope whichever person wins is as successful as possible.     
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
I may not agree with all of their policies, but anyone who loves their country (as I do) should want the country, and the country's leader, to succeed.  That's why I hope whichever person wins is as successful as possible.     
same here, if McCain gets in, I will not hope he fails by default.  I will hope he does right by the people and does a good job.  I will be critical where I see it is valid to do so but I won't just attack him because I didn't vote for him.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 02:42:44 PM
It's been 40 years since we've had a guy like this.  George Will was right, Obama is the A-Rod of politics.

It has been over 100 hundred years since we had a guy this inexperienced.   Charles Krauthammer was right:  McCain is the better candidate.

Still, it would be terrible if Obama were taken out, not only for his family and the country, but we'd also have Biden as president, and not even Democrats wanted that.  
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Busted on October 27, 2008, 02:57:47 PM
Coach would be proud...
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 03:06:59 PM
It has been over 100 hundred years since we had a guy this inexperienced.   Charles Krauthammer was right:  McCain is the better candidate.

Still, it would be terrible if Obama were taken out, not only for his family and the country, but we'd also have Biden as president, and not even Democrats wanted that.  
wait a second, Obama has more time in government than Bush had.  The argument that only executive power counts is stupid so I hope that's not what you're saying.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 03:11:21 PM
wait a second, Obama has more time in government than Bush had.  The argument that only executive power counts is stupid so I hope that's not what you're saying.

Saying executive experience is stupid is . . . stupid.  Serving as governor is excellent experience for president.  Obama has never made an executive decision in his life.  Obama's lack of experience very troubling.   
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: drkaje on October 27, 2008, 03:16:19 PM
I've read at least three posters here say they hope he's killed.

Maybe the skinheads are getting messages from GetBiggers, LOL!
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Saying executive experience is stupid is . . . stupid.  Serving as governor is excellent experience for president.  Obama has never made an executive decision in his life.  Obama's lack of experience very troubling.   
you just avoided the point!  It wasn't about Palin...  YOU said if Obama is elected it's been over 100 years since we've had a guy this inexperienced.  I assume you're saying that by only counting executive experience.  How else could you even try to make that statement?  So if that's the case, how much executive government experience does John McCain have?  zero?  So if we're counting legislative government experience or just experience in government from the state level up, Obama will have more time in government than Bush did...
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Decker on October 27, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
Saying executive experience is stupid is . . . stupid.  Serving as governor is excellent experience for president.  Obama has never made an executive decision in his life.  Obama's lack of experience very troubling.   
No Dice Beach Bum.

Bush was a governor and a failure.  Clinton was a governor and a success.  Gubernatorial experience is not a conclusive factor in presidential politics.

Here's a fresh idea:  intelligence!  That's a fairly good gauge for success, don't you think?

Otherwise why not run a McDonald's crew chief for president?  That's plenty of executive experience right there...plus people skills.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hedgehog on October 27, 2008, 03:38:16 PM
I've read at least three posters here say they hope he's killed.
Care to mention who those three are?
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: drkaje on October 27, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
Care to mention who those three are?

Can't recall. I really only remember long time posters here, you know how it is.In one thread last week about some big rally a joke was made, probably got deleted.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 03:52:03 PM
you just avoided the point!  It wasn't about Palin...  YOU said if Obama is elected it's been over 100 years since we've had a guy this inexperienced.  I assume you're saying that by only counting executive experience.  How else could you even try to make that statement?  So if that's the case, how much executive government experience does John McCain have?  zero?  So if we're counting legislative government experience or just experience in government from the state level up, Obama will have more time in government than Bush did...

What point?  Sounds like a red herring to me.  I didn't mention Palin.  

I was responding to Decker's contention that it has been "40 years since we've had a guy like this."  You then brought up how he was more experienced than Bush and executive experience was "stupid."  Bush's executive experience trumps Obama's two years in the U.S. Senate and part-time state senate experience.  I also like Bush’s experience as managing partner of the Texas Rangers over Obama’s time as a “community organizer.”   I could be wrong, but it sure seems like the Bulk of Obama's U.S. Senate time has been spent running for office.        

There is no reasonable comparison between Obama and McCain on an experience level.  Absurd.  I didn't say executive experience is the only the experience that matters.  I said it's the ideal experience for prez.  
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
No Dice Beach Bum.

Bush was a governor and a failure.  Clinton was a governor and a success.  Gubernatorial experience is not a conclusive factor in presidential politics.

Here's a fresh idea:  intelligence!  That's a fairly good gauge for success, don't you think?

Otherwise why not run a McDonald's crew chief for president?  That's plenty of executive experience right there...plus people skills.

I didn't say it was conclusive.  I said it was ideal.

Of course the president should be smart.  He or she should also have good judgment.   
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Decker on October 27, 2008, 04:01:13 PM
I didn't say it was conclusive.  I said it was ideal.
ideal = perfect = pretty goshdarn conclusive.


Quote
Of course the president should be smart.  He or she should also have good judgment.   
You're smart.  You saw this coming a mile away.  How could you support Bush or Palin.  Neither
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2008, 04:20:47 PM
ideal = perfect = pretty goshdarn conclusive.

You're smart.  You saw this coming a mile away.  How could you support Bush or Palin.  Neither


Ideal and conclusive are not synonymous.  I would expect some folks on the board to try and say that, but not you.  Jimmy Carter was a lousy president and he was a governor, so obviously executive experience will not conclusively establish that a person will be a successful president.  I've never said that. 

This isn't about me, but I've already said numerous times why I voted for Bush twice.  I'm pretty sure you've asked me more than once about Bush.  I just mentioned today some of the reasons why I like Palin.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=242990.msg3416459#msg3416459
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: headhuntersix on October 27, 2008, 04:21:34 PM
I guess if ur going to try and wack Obama u had better do it now rather then when he's president. This plot is ridiculous as are the plotters.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 05:35:43 PM
What point?  Sounds like a red herring to me.  I didn't mention Palin.  

I was responding to Decker's contention that it has been "40 years since we've had a guy like this."  You then brought up how he was more experienced than Bush and executive experience was "stupid."  Bush's executive experience trumps Obama's two years in the U.S. Senate and part-time state senate experience.  I also like Bush’s experience as managing partner of the Texas Rangers over Obama’s time as a “community organizer.”   I could be wrong, but it sure seems like the Bulk of Obama's U.S. Senate time has been spent running for office.        

There is no reasonable comparison between Obama and McCain on an experience level.  Absurd.  I didn't say executive experience is the only the experience that matters.  I said it's the ideal experience for prez.  

dude, don't do this to me ::)  Please... What red herring?  There was not one and you know it.  I did not say executive experience was stupid ::)  I said it would be stupid to only count executive experience!  Obama has more years in state and above level government than Bush did, fact... enjoy...  I don't know where you get executive experience is better, can you demonstrate that through historical fact?  I doubt it...
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Cap on October 27, 2008, 05:38:21 PM
It's been 40 years since we've had a guy like this.  George Will was right, Obama is the A-Rod of politics.
Over-paid, over-hyped, and will choke when it matters?
Title: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Stark on October 27, 2008, 06:00:31 PM
 Daniel Cowart (20) und Paul Schlesselman (18) now fucked forever.
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: dustin on October 27, 2008, 06:03:02 PM
What a skinny homo.
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Bast000 on October 27, 2008, 06:03:37 PM
fucked by black guys that is.
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Emmortal on October 27, 2008, 06:06:19 PM
fucked by black guys that is.

Doubtful since the Aryan Brotherhood will treat  him like a god in prison.  He'll be highly protected unless he gets caught walking around by himself.

Still a flaming douche though.  Good fuckin riddance.
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Bast000 on October 27, 2008, 06:09:03 PM
Doubtful since the Aryan Brotherhood will treat  him like a god in prison.  He'll be highly protected unless he gets caught walking around by himself.

Still a flaming douche though.  Good fuckin riddance.

yea but don't the blacks outnumber the shit out of them?
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: odilly on October 27, 2008, 06:10:29 PM
what kind of neo nazi has eye makeup and lipstick on..he is probably some poser that wants to impress the skinhead losers
Title: Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
Post by: MattT on October 27, 2008, 06:10:42 PM
Fuckers, punk ass trailer trash skinhead punks, got nothing better to do.  This is not the 1960's anymore the Feds have high tech technology monitoring Obama at all times, if they think they can just pick Obama off with a sniper from a high rise building, they got another thing coming >:(
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: webcake on October 27, 2008, 06:10:48 PM
Brutal 14 inch arms and aids-like appearance... ::)
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Emmortal on October 27, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
yea but don't the blacks outnumber the shit out of them?

Yea, which means he'll probably have to walk around with several of his "bros" at all times.  Otherwise he'll be lunch meat.
Title: Re: This Neonazi wanted to kill Obama
Post by: Cap on October 27, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
Daniel Cowart (20) und Paul Schlesselman (18) now fucked forever.
Looks like a PSG-1....expensive gun.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: odilly on October 27, 2008, 06:18:16 PM
Looks like a PSG-1....expensive gun.

 love the avatar pic man  copenhagen for ever buddy
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 27, 2008, 06:49:11 PM
love the avatar pic man  copenhagen for ever buddy
what happened to the skole cap?
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: Cap on October 27, 2008, 07:25:28 PM
what happened to the skole cap?
I've been dipping more Copenhagen lately...needed a change from the taste of Skoal.  I still use it though.
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: 24KT on October 28, 2008, 01:57:33 AM
He looks like he's wearing lipstick!  :o  He is! He is wearing lipstick!  :o   :o
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 28, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
What was truly pathetic was in the first 5-6 hours that this story broke, every right wing whiner out there was claiming it was a hoax.  Like this was going to be their retaliation victory after the Idiot Todd Fake Attack story was exposed to their embarassment.

As soon as evidence became concrete, all the right wing losers shut up and started ignoring it. 
Title: Re: Breaking News: ATF stops plot to assasinate Obama
Post by: headhuntersix on October 28, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Does this even matter...the ATF did their job and busted this loon. Like this every had a crediable chance of being launched. Its very hard to pull this shit in our country. the Secret Service is the best. U want to pull this off, u need inside help, a suicide streak and plenty of money.