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Nice videos. You can tell John is getting older. It used to be he would pin them fast. Now he rides it out till they get tired then he pins them. Remember John only weighs about 190 or so (sometimes less). His tendons in his right arm is enormous. You can feel how big the one is down by the inside of his elbow. He is by far the greatest of all time and at the same age of this other guy he would have killed him. I wish someone had the video of us wrestling in Denver
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Nice videos. You can tell John is getting older. It used to be he would pin them fast. Now he rides it out till they get tired then he pins them. Remember John only weighs about 190 or so (sometimes less). His tendons in his right arm is enormous. You can feel how big the one is down by the inside of his elbow. He is by far the greatest of all time and at the same age of this other guy he would have killed him. I wish someone had the video of us wrestling in Denver
Wasnt john at 240 at one point though?
You think they will ever have a go at it? would be fun, because every damn opponent that russian has he just kills them.
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Wasnt john at 240 at one point though?
You think they will ever have a go at it? would be fun, because every damn opponent that russian has he just kills them.
I don't think John was ever 240. When he was armwrestling in the 80's he was 190 or just above. He would enter 2 or sometimes 3 different weight classes in almost every event. And you can only enter weight classes above your bodyweight.
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i think Cyplenkov would crush him. i don't know anything about armwrestling but honestly who could possibly beat that guy he doesn't look human. Bone density of a fucking gorilla and stronger than anyone.
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maybe Alexey Voevoda at his best could beat him?
don't think he competes anymore though.
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i think Cyplenkov would crush him. i don't know anything about armwrestling but honestly who could possibly beat that guy he doesn't look human. Bone density of a fucking gorilla and stronger than anyone.
You're right . . . this just romantic / nostalgic thinking. There is NO 190lbs man who could touch this machine.
PH LLB
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Looks don't count for shit in armwrestling. This guy is obviously stronger than shit and he knows how to armwrestle. But going by looks alone to determine if a guy can beat another is just dumb. John beat guys who outweighed him by 200lbs and more. And these were guys who were professional and former world champions. Cleve Dean no matter how you look at him was a 9+ time World Champion. This russian guy is awesome and he outweighs John by 50 lbs or so but John could hold his own. Haven't they ever met and competed against each other. I have no idea who competes anymore or follow it. My last real math was in 1986 so I am far far far out of the loop
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Don't forget that one of the best right now is a romanian
Meet Ion Oncescu
and here is his match w/ Breznk
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Nice videos. You can tell John is getting older. It used to be he would pin them fast. Now he rides it out till they get tired then he pins them. Remember John only weighs about 190 or so (sometimes less). His tendons in his right arm is enormous. You can feel how big the one is down by the inside of his elbow. He is by far the greatest of all time and at the same age of this other guy he would have killed him. I wish someone had the video of us wrestling in Denver
Onlyme,
What do you think about Ron Bath? That guy is strong as fuck.
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Onlyme,
What do you think about Ron Bath? That guy is strong as fuck.
I have seen him on TV never in person but yes he is strong too. Remember it has been 20+ years since I did anything. I think Ron was around back then but I think he is East coast. Armwrestling didn't pay much so traveling coast to coast to compete didn't happen much. John worked for an airline I think and got his travel for almost free.
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I have seen him on TV never in person but yes he is strong too. Remember it has been 20+ years since I did anything. I think Ron was around back then but I think he is East coast. Armwrestling didn't pay much so traveling coast to coast to compete didn't happen much. John worked for an airline I think and got his travel for almost free.
john works for airline maintenance making little cash
he makes 13-15k a year armwrestling.
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Yes, i think Voevoda at his best can beat this GH sht. Dont like this guy. All drugs.
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Looks don't count for shit in armwrestling. This guy is obviously stronger than shit and he knows how to armwrestle. But going by looks alone to determine if a guy can beat another is just dumb. John beat guys who outweighed him by 200lbs and more. And these were guys who were professional and former world champions. Cleve Dean no matter how you look at him was a 9+ time World Champion. This russian guy is awesome and he outweighs John by 50 lbs or so but John could hold his own. Haven't they ever met and competed against each other. I have no idea who competes anymore or follow it. My last real math was in 1986 so I am far far far out of the loop
Yip thats right mate, looks don,t count in arm wrestling myself and a couple of other trouble markers during early to late 1990s use to go around all the different bars in Wellington NZ looking for anyone who looked the part slap $50-200 bucks on the table, most were usually big strong guys, 9 out of 10 times i never had problems pinning them, until i ran into a little bloke no more than 80-90kg...his wrists were near the size of his forearm, veins etc poping out like hell...6-7 seconds later I'm over..i couldn't,t believe this little bloke just pinned me. hooked up again...same result only faster :-[ :-[ :-[...being the bad sports we were back then we thought we'd "win" another way >:( :-[ >:( :-[ >:(
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Yip thats right mate, looks don,t count in arm wrestling myself and a couple of other trouble markers during early to late 1990s use to go around all the different bars in Wellington NZ looking for anyone who looked the part slap $50-200 bucks on the table, most were usually big strong guys, 9 out of 10 times i never had problems pinning them, until i ran into a little bloke no more than 80-90kg...his wrists were near the size of his forearm, veins etc poping out like hell...6-7 seconds later I'm over..i couldn't,t believe this little bloke just pinned me. hooked up again...same result only faster :-[ :-[ :-[...being the bad sports we were back then we thought we'd "win" another way >:( :-[ >:( :-[ >:(
I did an appearance back east and i wrestled about 50 people throughout the day. A bunch of BB guys came. I think I wrestled a few of them and the rest said no way. It was always funny seeing big muscular guys come up to the table and get their ass handed to them by guys who looked like they never lifted a weight in their life. Weight lifting helps alot but actual "pulling" is what builds the tendon strength and truly helps. With all the heavy lifting I did, my arm would be in a sling for about two after a good event. You are working muscles and tendons you don't hit when weight training. My trainer Ray Mentzer had me do alot of negatives. And the Keiser Preacher Bench is the best. I did alot of heavy negatives on the bench too with 600+ lbs. Had Ray behind me and two others helping. All this helped my tendon strength. I also only took testosterone when I competed and for only 6 months. Everyone else took a whole lot more than I did.
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John Brzenk VS Alexey Voevoda
How to armwrestle
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Thats a very interesting and a good point you made there about Tendon strength Keith, and it makes sense, while no where @ your level back in the 1990s, i never had much problems at all with guys my size and bigger, as your said most huge BB types with huge arms etc.. don,t train there Tendons specifically and given the angles you pull on in arm wrestling this adds up, i just use to get off as fast as i could throwing as much shoulder, back etc into it from the off and keep the momentum going, You trained with Ray Mentzer! :o :o :o...did you see Mike around back then? both those brothers must of had some of the most massive Forearms around back then, were they both as strong as they looked?
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is it only obvious to me but this Denis dude is juiced to the gills, test and growth hormone dripping out of him....the other guy looks natural...how is that a fair competition...do they drug test these guys, or is there at least a code of honor about keeping the test down to a minimum....how is it fair if some guys are natural and others are not
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Thats a very interesting and a good point you made there about Tendon strength Keith, and it makes sense, while no where @ your level back in the 1990s, i never had much problems at all with guys my size and bigger, as your said most huge BB types with huge arms etc.. don,t train there Tendons specifically and given the angles you pull on in arm wrestling this adds up, i just use to get off as fast as i could throwing as much shoulder, back etc into it from the off and keep the momentum going, You trained with Ray Mentzer! :o :o :o...did you see Mike around back then? both those brothers must of had some of the most massive Forearms around back then, were they both as strong as they looked?
I have only seen Mike once at Rays gym. Ray was very strong. His legs were definitely the strongest part. I kept very tense ad tight when I armwrestled. I used my shoulders and lats alot. You also use your legs quite a bit. You will see guys who wrap there leg around the table to get leverage. I did this too. My right calf would be solid black and blue after an event from all the pressure. A big part was controlling the wrist and hand. You squeeze with your last three fingers into the persons wrist while you crank on the hand. it helps. Also at the start you bend your wrist back so your knuckles are pointing up as much as possible and pull back. It is called loading. The refs will usually control how much of this you do.
is it only obvious to me but this Denis dude is juiced to the gills, test and growth hormone dripping out of him....the other guy looks natural...how is that a fair competition...do they drug test these guys, or is there at least a code of honor about keeping the test down to a minimum....how is it fair if some guys are natural and others are not
No drug tests. If anyone was natural it would be John. Just because all he does is armwrestle. He would spend an hour or more after an event pulling as many guys as he could. He would literally pull hours everyday. His tendon strength was unreal. I was told when I first started that I was one of the strongest there were especially since i did NO drugs at all. I was told EVERYONE took drugs and I should start on them if I wanted to do the best. So I did. I took 1cc of test cyp everyday for 6 months straight. After my last match I quit and have never touched them again. Almost ten years later I was still inclining 505 and was as strong as I was when I took them. I weighed maybe 5 lbs heavier
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Don't forget that one of the best right now is a romanian
and here is his match w/ Breznk
Its funny how good they all look until the face up again Breznk lol.
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is it only obvious to me but this Denis dude is juiced to the gills, test and growth hormone dripping out of him....the other guy looks natural...how is that a fair competition...do they drug test these guys, or is there at least a code of honor about keeping the test down to a minimum....how is it fair if some guys are natural and others are not
Totally agree. That's why i can respect Voevoda and Brzenk so much more, because they are natural. Voevoda competes in the olympics in bobsledding to so he is definitely drug tested.
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Totally agree. That's why i can respect Voevoda and Brzenk so much more, because they are natural. Voevoda competes in the olympics in bobsledding to so he is definitely drug tested.
Yep, and that makes him a natural.
::) ::)
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Yep, and that makes him a natural.
::) ::)
what's up midget.
Can you find any better drug testing than the ones they do for olympic athletes? They are drug tested randomly year round as far as i know.
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what's up midget.
Can you find any better drug testing than the ones they do for olympic athletes? They are drug tested randomly year round as far as i know.
I would guess almost every single top notch armwrestler at atlest on hgh for the tendons =)
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I would guess almost every single top notch armwrestler at atlest on hgh for the tendons =)
Im pretty sure olympic athletes are tested for hgh aswell.
But sure, most of the top guys in arm wrestling im sure uses. It's a small sport, they probably can't afford drug testing.
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Totally agree. That's why i can respect Voevoda and Brzenk so much more, because they are natural. Voevoda competes in the olympics in bobsledding to so he is definitely drug tested.
Note, there are more drugs in the Olympics than in Bodybuilding!!
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Note, there are more drugs in the Olympics than in Bodybuilding!!
100% in the olympics uses? ;D
People that uses do get caught.
Like this swedish bobsledder for example: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2001/11/04/engquist011104.html
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great thread
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I could take Onlyme in his prime in armwrestling.
I have this special cheating technique, I win
most of the time.
I am better than Onlyme and Stallone.
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I don't think he ever weighed over 220, and even at that weight, he said his stamina was compromised. He was stronger definitely but he was much more comfortable at a lighter body weight.I have read that Brzenk hammer curls 150 lbs for reps and he wrist curls godly amounts of weight. He might not be the biggest but just look at the guy's forearm.
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_0YAZMKH5g4I/RyLA0R9E5EI/AAAAAAAABDk/T5Z1Z5VtTzc/s400/Brzenk3.jpg)
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Connie Roleman shaves his arms? Unbeliavable.
(http://www.armsport-rus.ru/NewVer/Foto/30.01.08/74_l.jpg)
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I don't think he ever weighed over 220, and even at that weight, he said his stamina was compromised. He was stronger definitely but he was much more comfortable at a lighter body weight.I have read that Brzenk hammer curls 150 lbs for reps and he wrist curls godly amounts of weight. He might not be the biggest but just look at the guy's forearm.
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_0YAZMKH5g4I/RyLA0R9E5EI/AAAAAAAABDk/T5Z1Z5VtTzc/s400/Brzenk3.jpg)
I actually think he got as high as 240 at one point, I read it somewhere I think =)
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Connie Roleman shaves his arms? Unbeliavable.
(http://www.armsport-rus.ru/NewVer/Foto/30.01.08/74_l.jpg)
epic fanny pack for his daily drug kit
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This dude owns him . . .
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This dude owns him . . .
No.
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No.
Voevoda is taller and has a better build so he's automatically better.
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wow the way John can just hold plant himself and hold his position against the opponent would require insane breathing and core strength as well as the obvious arm/hand
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Cyplenkov is a fucking freak of nature.
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How do you guys think Ronnie Coleman would do against John
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How do you guys think Ronnie Coleman would do against John
Ronnie coleman doesnt do armwrestling because he wants to the the best in the world in posing not armwrestling ;D
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How do you guys think Ronnie Coleman would do against John
hmm...
with all due respect to John ... I just see coleman as being much much stronger than john ... with all his technique...duno....what's your take on it ?
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I remember watching Eddie Robinson on espn about 10 years ago, he got his ass whooped. It was funny, cause here he was in a tank top juiced to the gills and get's pulled right off the bat.
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brzenk will totally own coleman in armwrestling. it won't even be close.
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brzenk will totally own coleman in armwrestling. it won't even be close.
i'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY...
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i'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY...
Strength plays maybe 40% or so of a match. Technique with comparable strength will win everytime, Case in point; Kazmaier did not do well when he entered in New York. I have personally seen many powerlifters and BB's get destroyed by guys 50+ lbs lighter that don't look like they lift at all. Coleman is stronger lifting weights than probably any armwrestler but that don't mean shit on a table. Especially in Johns case cause he has been doing it for now over 20 years and has developed such incredible tendon strength and technique. Out of 10 matches John would beat Coleman 10 times. No doubt about it. There is no lifting Coleman has done to adapt himself to an armwrestling table. I lifted ALOT of weight and I was still in a sling for days after a tough tournament. John stays and pulls anyone who wants to after a tournament. He is a freak on the table. The guy from Russia is obviously to a freak with incredible strength. But he looks like he can armwrestle and beat everyone. John just looks like a normal guy. Imagine how much money he can win in bar matches.
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i'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY...
Because it has alot to do with wrist strenght, hand strenght and tecnique. Raw brute bicep strength does nothing for you if you have a weaker wrist, hand and a crappy tecnique. :)
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(http://bp1.blogger.com/_0YAZMKH5g4I/RyLA0R9E5EI/AAAAAAAABDk/T5Z1Z5VtTzc/s400/Brzenk3.jpg)
look at the wrist of this guy!
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look at the wrist of this guy!
What is unusual on John is the size of the tendon on the inside of his elbow area. You can feel how big it is. Tremendous tendon strength