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You Obama supporters are getting duped but are too blind to realize it.
For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama's definition of the middle class -- leading Republicans to question whether he'll stick to his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000.
The latest hiccup in the campaign message came Friday morning on KOA-AM, when New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson pegged the middle class as those making $120,000 and under.
Click here to listen to Richardson talk about Obama's tax plan.
"What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those," Richardson said in the interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube.
There's no indication that Obama has changed his tax policy, which states that anyone making under $200,000 would get a tax cut under his administration, and nobody making under $250,000 would be hit with a tax increase. Richardson actually recited that part of Obama's plan correctly earlier in his radio interview.
But the Republican National Committee quickly blasted out an e-mail saying, "At this rate, it won't take long until Obama is again raising taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year."
"When Barack Obama comes to your door this Halloween, there will be no treats -- just taxes," the e-mail said.
Joe Biden caused headaches for the campaign Monday when he told a Scranton, Pa., TV station that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."
John McCain said the tax threshold was "creeping down," while the Obama campaign accused him of lying about Obama's tax policies.
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How does one define 'Middle Class"?
60K/yr is 'middle class' income in the midwest, but here in Cali, that puts you on the ragged edge....
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I believe raising taxes under 250K is too low and not a good thing to do.
But to put some of this in perspective. The average house hold income is 44K per year in America (49K in California). If you are making 100K+ You are doing well, but are still middle class.
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If this # starts creeping down more, as many of us are worried it will, we must vote these guys out of office (assuming they will win next tuesday). We cannot punish mild success to that degree in this country of opportunity.
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Forget Obama.
Vote for a man who will continue the policies that have crashed the economy, bailed out millionaires, and deregulated the investment industry to the point where our country is in a stranglehold.
In other words, vote McCain/Palin.
Because 8 years of failed policies just aren't enough.
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You freaking gomer... Nobody under 250,000 gets a tax increase... The only thing that Richardson is saying with 120,000 is that 100 percent of the middle class gets a tax cut. There is nothing to indicated a change of story on who gets a tax cut and who doesn't in what you quoted coach... try reading or go find the part that indicates a change and come back. The 120,000 is a pointless number, it's just the same as saying 100 percent of the middle class gets a tax cut. It's like McCain's number of the middle class being anyone who makes under 5 million a year. Under that stupid benchmark, a lot of people in the middle class get a tax increase lololol...
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They're all liars so the actual number doesn't matter.
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You Obama supporters are getting duped but are too blind to realize it.
For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama's definition of the middle class -- leading Republicans to question whether he'll stick to his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000.
The latest hiccup in the campaign message came Friday morning on KOA-AM, when New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson pegged the middle class as those making $120,000 and under.
Click here to listen to Richardson talk about Obama's tax plan.
"What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those," Richardson said in the interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube.
There's no indication that Obama has changed his tax policy, which states that anyone making under $200,000 would get a tax cut under his administration, and nobody making under $250,000 would be hit with a tax increase. Richardson actually recited that part of Obama's plan correctly earlier in his radio interview.
But the Republican National Committee quickly blasted out an e-mail saying, "At this rate, it won't take long until Obama is again raising taxes on Americans making as little as $42,000 a year."
"When Barack Obama comes to your door this Halloween, there will be no treats -- just taxes," the e-mail said.
Joe Biden caused headaches for the campaign Monday when he told a Scranton, Pa., TV station that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people -- people making under $150,000 a year."
John McCain said the tax threshold was "creeping down," while the Obama campaign accused him of lying about Obama's tax policies.
Check out this clip. Obama is all over the place. He even defined "rich" as those making over $97K a year.
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McCain really knows what middle class is marrying a woman for her money and being worth 100 million...
McCain has ran the lowest campaign in US history...
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wow, bb and coach really don't get it... What will it matter if Obama says the middle class ends at 60,000... The plan is not delineated by the definition of middle class you bozos... If he says it's 60,000 by his plan that just means he's saying the lower portion of the rich from 60,000 to 250,000 get a tax cut or stay the same. This isn't rocket science ::)
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They're all liars so the actual number doesn't matter.
yea, but the problem with the they're all liars on this issue is that coach and bb and mccain are misapplying the statements of where the middle class vs. rich is as changes to Obama's tax plan... It's not... They're taking numbers that have only relative meaning to each voter and saying it's a hard line in the plan... So coach and McCain are the one lying here, not Obama.
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Check out this clip. Obama is all over the place. He even defined "rich" as those making over $97K a year.
Ok lets go over this again...
250k and below gets NO TAXES RAISED...
200k and below get a TAX CUT..
What does common sense say? Hmmmmmm... maybe between 200k and 250k they might just stay the same?
You obama haters really are fucking retarded.
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They have not quoted a single source that shows Obama has changed his plan. They're throwing these numbers because they are stupid or they think we are stupid.
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Ok lets go over this again...
250k and below gets NO TAXES RAISED...
200k and below get a TAX CUT..
What does common sense say? Hmmmmmm... maybe between 200k and 250k they might just stay the same?
You obama haters really are fucking retarded.
If you're summarizing the clip I posted, then you know you're leaving out several pieces, including:
Obama saying in the third presidential debate that everyone above $250K would see a tax increase, followed by . . .
Obama saying in an ad that everyone below $200K would get a tax cut, followed by . . .
Biden saying tax relief should only go to the middle class, which he defined as everyone below $150K, followed by . . .
Obama saying in the Democrat debate saying anyone over $97K is not the middle class, they are the "upper class."
It ends with Obama saying "you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper, it's still going to stink." Sounds like his tired old liberal tax policies.
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I believe raising taxes under 250K is too low and not a good thing to do.
But to put some of this in perspective. The average house hold income is 44K per year in America (49K in California). If you are making 100K+ You are doing well, but are still middle class.
It all depends on where you live.
Obama doesn't take that into consideration.
Now... to be completely fair, McCain is just as guilty of socialism.
Hello, $850 billion corporate welfare?
Hello, proposal to buy up "bad" mortgages?
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If you are making 100K+ You are doing well, but are still middle class.
Not according to Obama. Those folks are "upper class." His words.
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yea, but the problem with the they're all liars on this issue is that coach and bb and mccain are misapplying the statements of where the middle class vs. rich is as changes to Obama's tax plan... It's not... They're taking numbers that have only relative meaning to each voter and saying it's a hard line in the plan... So coach and McCain are the one lying here, not Obama.
Saying I make $250K right now would be lying to myself and everyone here. I, and many others here, don't make $250yr so it's a non issue.
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Saying I make $250K right now would be lying to myself and everyone here. I, and many others here, don't make $250yr so it's a non issue.
And what about the combined taxable income of married couples? There is only so much you can legally deduct as pre-tax income.
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Not according to Obama. Those folks are "upper class." His words.
how bout 5 million Bum!
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how bout 5 million Bum!
He was joking.
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He was joking.
nice joke
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nice joke
Sort of like Obama's and Biden's everchanging definition of the middle class, upper class, and "the rich." All one big joke.
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Forget Obama.
Vote for a man who will continue the policies that have crashed the economy, bailed out millionaires, and deregulated the investment industry to the point where our country is in a stranglehold.
In other words, vote McCain/Palin.
Because 8 years of failed policies just aren't enough.
Clinton started the deregulation sooooo......
I heard something interesting about CA yesterday. Roughly 150K people pay the taxes that support a state of 34 million people. That's one Democratic state. Imagine how those figures would look under an Obama tax plan. His idea of upper, middle and lower class is amazingly stupid and off base.
A dual earner family with kids making $100k is not upper class, especially not here in CA.
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If you're summarizing the clip I posted, then you know you're leaving out several pieces, including:
Obama saying in the third presidential debate that everyone above $250K would see a tax increase, followed by . . .
Obama saying in an ad that everyone below $200K would get a tax cut, followed by . . .
Biden saying tax relief should only go to the middle class, which he defined as everyone below $150K, followed by . . .
Obama saying in the Democrat debate saying anyone over $97K is not the middle class, they are the "upper class."
It ends with Obama saying "you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper, it's still going to stink." Sounds like his tired old liberal tax policies.
Biden saying Tax relief that HE definds it as 150... its obvious he had a "McCain Senior Moment" and
Democratic Debate saying anyone over 97k is not middle class... Thats a Individual, and i dont think making 97k is "Middle class" a individual making 97k is def not in the "middle" it is in the to 10% for sure... just because he said that doesnt mean he doesnt think they deserve a tax cut which they would get under an obama plan
You really really are digging..
Has McCain said 1 TIME he wants the middle class to get a tax cut? NOPE!! wants to keep them the same Bush tax cuts that benefit the top 5%....
I am yet to see 1 republican on here come with 1 intelligent debate... you loose this one once again
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Yeah and we dont take care of our own citizens... Nice country
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Biden saying Tax relief that HE definds it as 150... its obvious he had a "McCain Senior Moment" and
Democratic Debate saying anyone over 97k is not middle class... Thats a Individual, and i dont think making 97k is "Middle class" a individual making 97k is def not in the "middle" it is in the to 10% for sure... just because he said that doesnt mean he doesnt think they deserve a tax cut which they would get under an obama plan
You really really are digging..
Has McCain said 1 TIME he wants the middle class to get a tax cut? NOPE!! wants to keep them the same Bush tax cuts that benefit the top 5%....
I am yet to see 1 republican on here come with 1 intelligent debate... you loose this one once again
If you're going to question someone's intelligence you might want to put a few coherent sentences together. :)
What I've done is provide a clip of words used by Obama and Biden. What you've done is put your own spin those words, e.g., Biden had a "senior moment." lol . . .
What that clip shows is that Obama will lower the tax increase threshold, or he will approve tax increases on people/business making less than $200K. I'm not even sure he knows where he stands on taxes and what it means to be "middle class" or "upper class." He's all over the place.
McCain said he doesn't want to raise anyone's taxes and wants to reduce everyone's taxes. The "middle class" is included in "everyone." That's what government is supposed to do (cut everyone's burden).
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Obama wouldn't allow certain prominent newspapers on his plane after the elections, but made room for Jet and essence Magazine...........Eat it!!!!!!
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He was joking.
no he wasn't ::) He may have said he was but he wasn't...
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Sort of like Obama's and Biden's everchanging definition of the middle class, upper class, and "the rich." All one big joke.
It didn't change his plan, so what is your point? It has no value whatsoever to the plan.
You know what's funny, the airwaves are full of advertisments asking people to LOOK at Obama's plan... On the McCain side, there is no such plea for people to look at his plan, he just makes fun of Obama's plan... What is McCain's plan, pretty much a continuation of Bush's... nice... no wonder he's not asking people to look and spending all his time negative toward Obama ::)
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McCain really knows what middle class is marrying a woman for her money and being worth 100 million...
McCain has ran the lowest campaign in US history...
Coach and Busted, always fighting. Damn it, can't you see that you two love each other?
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no he wasn't ::) He may have said he was but he wasn't...
Yes he was. ::)
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Yes he was. ::)
figures this is the post you wanted to reply to...
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It didn't change his plan, so what is your point? It has no value whatsoever to the plan.
You know what's funny, the airwaves are full of advertisments asking people to LOOK at Obama's plan... On the McCain side, there is no such plea for people to look at his plan, he just makes fun of Obama's plan... What is McCain's plan, pretty much a continuation of Bush's... nice... no wonder he's not asking people to look and spending all his time negative toward Obama ::)
I already said what my point was:
What that clip shows is that Obama will lower the tax increase threshold, or he will approve tax increases on people/business making less than $200K. I'm not even sure he knows where he stands on taxes and what it means to be "middle class" or "upper class." He's all over the place.
McCain said he doesn't want to raise anyone's taxes and wants to reduce everyone's taxes. The "middle class" is included in "everyone." That's what government is supposed to do (cut everyone's burden).
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I already said what my point was:
yea, and you're wrong, enjoy.
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always spell check when responding to Bum or he will call you on it.so be carefull.
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always spell check when responding to Bum or he will call you on it.so be carefull.
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This man will end up taxing everybody like ive said from the very begininng...what say you, you obama supporters?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319
Posted: October 28, 2008
2:42 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000.
Adding to the confusion, Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, said in an interview yesterday the cuts are for even fewer people, limited to incomes of $150,000 or less.
Depending on the source of information, just who will have their taxes raised and who will have them cut under Obama's plan varies.
The campaign's homepage, for example, accessed today, reads, "Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers."
Yet in the "Defining Moment" ad released on YouTube last week and viewable below, Obama says the tax cut "for 95 percent of working Americans" is only for those who make less than $200,000 per year.
According to the 2006 IRS statistics published by the National Taxpayers Union, "95 percent of working Americans" only includes those making less than $153,542 per year.
And now, Fox News reports Biden told a Scranton, Pa., TV station yesterday that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year."
At a rally in Pennsylvania, CBS News reports, McCain took the opportunity to blast Obama as a candidate with more and more taxes on his mind.
"Sen. Obama has made a lot of promises," McCain said. "First he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit – but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Sen. Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year.' You getting an idea of what's on their mind?"
(Story continues below)
"I'll launch a rescue plan for the middle class that begins with a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans," Obama says in the "Defining Moment" advertisement. "If you have a job, pay taxes and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut."
The full "Defining Moment" advertisement can be seen below:
The disparity in the numbers has Republican campaigners riled.
The Obama campaign media site, The Record, quotes Tucker Bounds, spokesman for McCain-Palin saying, "By adjusting his tax increases to include anyone making more than $200,000, Barack Obama has reversed himself and issued a shifty new call for at least 1 million more hardworking Americans to be added to his plans for higher taxes."
The Record immediately rebutted Bounds, insisting Obama's plan has always included a tax hike on Americans making more than $250,000, but the tax cut is only for those making less than $200,000.
The site then quotes Obama at the Oct. 7 presidential debate: "If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."
Biden's comments yesterday, however, have heated up criticism again.
"You getting an idea of what's on their mind, huh? A little sneak peak," McCain said, according to Fox News. "It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just $42,000 a year should get a tax increase."
Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor did not directly address Biden's comments, but he released a statement about McCain's criticism.
"The McCain campaign's attacks are getting more desperate by the hour," Vietor said. "Obama and Biden have always said, under their plan no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase one cent. And if your family makes less than $200,000 – as 95 percent of workers and their families do – you'll get a tax cut."
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This man will end up taxing everybody like ive said from the very begininng...what say you, you obama supporters?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319
Posted: October 28, 2008
2:42 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000.
Adding to the confusion, Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, said in an interview yesterday the cuts are for even fewer people, limited to incomes of $150,000 or less.
Depending on the source of information, just who will have their taxes raised and who will have them cut under Obama's plan varies.
The campaign's homepage, for example, accessed today, reads, "Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers."
Yet in the "Defining Moment" ad released on YouTube last week and viewable below, Obama says the tax cut "for 95 percent of working Americans" is only for those who make less than $200,000 per year.
According to the 2006 IRS statistics published by the National Taxpayers Union, "95 percent of working Americans" only includes those making less than $153,542 per year.
And now, Fox News reports Biden told a Scranton, Pa., TV station yesterday that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year."
At a rally in Pennsylvania, CBS News reports, McCain took the opportunity to blast Obama as a candidate with more and more taxes on his mind.
"Sen. Obama has made a lot of promises," McCain said. "First he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit – but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Sen. Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year.' You getting an idea of what's on their mind?"
(Story continues below)
"I'll launch a rescue plan for the middle class that begins with a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans," Obama says in the "Defining Moment" advertisement. "If you have a job, pay taxes and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut."
The full "Defining Moment" advertisement can be seen below:
The disparity in the numbers has Republican campaigners riled.
The Obama campaign media site, The Record, quotes Tucker Bounds, spokesman for McCain-Palin saying, "By adjusting his tax increases to include anyone making more than $200,000, Barack Obama has reversed himself and issued a shifty new call for at least 1 million more hardworking Americans to be added to his plans for higher taxes."
The Record immediately rebutted Bounds, insisting Obama's plan has always included a tax hike on Americans making more than $250,000, but the tax cut is only for those making less than $200,000.
The site then quotes Obama at the Oct. 7 presidential debate: "If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."
Biden's comments yesterday, however, have heated up criticism again.
"You getting an idea of what's on their mind, huh? A little sneak peak," McCain said, according to Fox News. "It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just $42,000 a year should get a tax increase."
Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor did not directly address Biden's comments, but he released a statement about McCain's criticism.
"The McCain campaign's attacks are getting more desperate by the hour," Vietor said. "Obama and Biden have always said, under their plan no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase one cent. And if your family makes less than $200,000 – as 95 percent of workers and their families do – you'll get a tax cut."
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Whistleblower magazine's "THE SECRET LIFE OF BARACK OBAMA"
Get the book that launched the "None of the Above" political movement – personally signed by the author. It comes with a free "None of the Above" magnetized bumper sticker.
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Wev went over this like 5 times... Right wing folks not having common sense...
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Wev went over this like 5 times... Right wing folks not having common sense...
please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)
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please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)
try reading ::)
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try reading ::)
try reading this http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243792.0 and then comment on it ::) must have skipped over this thread huh?
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try reading this http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243792.0 and then comment on it ::) must have skipped over this thread huh?
They only read and comprehend stuff that goes with their way of thinking.
They are nut-jobs Liberals.
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please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)
Obviously explaining it to you will do nothing. This has been explained SEVERAL TIMES here, and you fail to understand. So it's pointless
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Obviously explaining it to you will do nothing. This has been explained SEVERAL TIMES here, and you fail to understand. So it's pointless
what do you make of this?
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what do you make of this?
3 things...
First, hes running for VP not the PRESIDENT.
Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.
Third- Why do all of you broke ass republicans not care that people that make millions get tax breaks and you dont?
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3 things...
First, hes running for VP not the PRESIDENT.
Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.
Third- Why do all of you broke ass republicans not care that people that make millions get tax breaks and you dont?
first thing that never made a difference when you where ragging on palin?
Second thing what he says apparently from what you hold over palin should coincide with obamas views and stances so is it 150 or 250?
Third thing is why do all you broke ass democrats want free hand outs from the rest of the working public while you sit on your asses and we work for our shit?
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Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.
yes he refers to the past but he reference the future as in SHOULD BE meaning that he believes that it should be this way again.
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Also if it was a gaffe why hasnt the obama camp commented on it? this seems like something worth commenting on dont you agree?
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Also if it was a gaffe why hasnt the obama camp commented on it? this seems like something worth commenting on dont you agree?
Have you seen my watch laying around anywhere?