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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: madmax on November 03, 2008, 07:19:28 PM
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if the basics like squats,benches,dead lifts,rows are all included it does not make sense. its considered unwise to train a small bodypart after a large body part so how the fuck can some one train three large body parts plus all the small body parts in one workout.
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Why is it considered unwise to train a smaller bodypart after a larger one?
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i think its unwise to train a small bodypart after a large one because you have already used up modt of your energy
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wrong wrong wrong wrong...
When you train, lets say BOR you only partially use your biceps, so they are fine to train, same with BP and triceps excercises, if you feel you can't then well... you're just a puss...
FB workout is hard the first 2 weeks, then your body adapts to the energy needed and you're fine after that...
Fullbody is a very good option for all naturals since it keeps you in an anabolic state basicly all week, besides sunday so... and yes you can train even if you have DOMS for gods sake, the muscle is fine and ready for training if it's still sore
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wrong wrong wrong wrong...
When you train, lets say BOR you only partially use your biceps, so they are fine to train, same with BP and triceps excercises, if you feel you can't then well... you're just a puss...
FB workout is hard the first 2 weeks, then your body adapts to the energy needed and you're fine after that...
Fullbody is a very good option for all naturals since it keeps you in an anabolic state basicly all week, besides sunday so... and yes you can train even if you have DOMS for gods sake, the muscle is fine and ready for training if it's still sore
What do you base that on?
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The muscular restitution period is aprox 24 hours, DOMS are part of the reinforcement process which occurs after resistance training... Just because the muscle feels sore, doesn't mean that it hasnt restituted fully or atleast almost fully
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if the basics like squats,benches,dead lifts,rows are all included it does not make sense. its considered unwise to train a small bodypart after a large body part so how the fuck can some one train three large body parts plus all the small body parts in one workout.
its ok for teens that are just starting out. After 6 months or so, its best to begin a split routine.
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why doing fullbody workouts 3x a week dont make sense
because you'll lack the intensity (relative to a split program) on any of the given compounds...
no natural can spend it in the squat rack and still have any gas to DL with any kind of gas left (or vice versa)..
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its ok for teens that are just starting out. After 6 months or so, its best to begin a split routine.
Other way around buddy:
McLester JR., Bishop P., & Guilliams M. Comparison of 1 and 3 day per week of equal volume resistance training in experienced subjects. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc. 1999 31(5 Supp) pp.S117
oh and for the others:
Nosaka K, Newton M. Repeated Eccentric Exercise Bouts Do Not Exacerbate Muscle Damage and Repair. Journal of Strength and Conditioning. 2002 Feb;16(1):117-122.
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The idea behind full body workouts is to keep the training brief and to the point. Using the basic heavy compound exercises (the Big Boy exercises, the growing exercises, like squats DL's, benchs, rows, etc.). That would be one exercise per muscle group and keeping the sets to 3 and reps between 8-12 per muscle group.
You do not have to do DL's and squats in the same workout, though the squat usually makes up the cornerstone of this style full body workout. Something like the classic squats, rows, bench, overhead press, BB curls, calfs and abs. Or DL's, chins, dips, PBN, curls, calf & abs. Another is squat cleans, inclines, overhead press, curls, calf & abs. Do not need a lot of little exercises for smaller body parts. If doing 7 exercises in a full body workout than you are doing 21 sets total. Some guy's do that,and more, on a single muscle group with split training. Based on a 3 day a week full body training, that is 61 sets a week total. If training with serious intent every workout, that should be quite enough for a 6 to 8 week full body training cycle.
Full body workouts are not just for beginners. Lot's of experience men go back to that way of training from time to time. Seems to give a better recovery advantage and can even renew gains when guy's hit that sticking point from excessive training. Works well for athletic programs also. Good Luck.
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The muscular restitution period is aprox 24 hours, DOMS are part of the reinforcement process which occurs after resistance training... Just because the muscle feels sore, doesn't mean that it hasnt restituted fully or atleast almost fully
Yea that is not correct. Your muscles take fro 3 days to 4 weeks to full heal. If you do lift while your muscle is sore you are a retard. You body is telling you not to work it. Thats why its sore! Also if a muscle can not recover fully plus time to grow and get stronger then there will be no change.
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Yea that is not correct. Your muscles take fro 3 days to 4 weeks to full heal. If you do lift while your muscle is sore you are a retard. You body is telling you not to work it. Thats why its sore! Also if a muscle can not recover fully plus time to grow and get stronger then there will be no change.
repeated bout effect
why let that adaptation fully take place?
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The smaller bodyparts will be worked sufficiently if the larger ones are worked maximally. Compound movements and muscle synergy will tax the biceps hard in a good back workout. The biceps may completely give out during chins.
What does that tell you?
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Wrong wrong wrong if you change your workout for 16 weeks to full body 3x's a week and don't notice a difference then start a thread otherwise you should know any change of workout you put your body through will register with growth. Growth is the adaptation to stimulus affecting your muscles, so if you change the stimuli for any period of time your body will respond. The facts are these, any type of training people talk about are ALL correct (if done properly.) Try them all and you will see change, that's just science (Ron Burgundy).
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good discussion. Mark Rippetoe's book "practical programming" covers this VERY well, about novice trainees versus intermediate vs. advanced vs. elite and the like. I'm by no means an expert, but everyone in here TO AN EXTENT is correct. I believe the technique should be learned VIA powerlifting, and that every aspiring bodybuilder SHOULD do a full body (via 3 X 5) for the first "bit", and by bit i mean until you stop getting stronger. you'll learn the big lifts and you'll get size. for the "advanced" lifter, if interested in bodybuilding, bouts of powerlifting (5 reps or less) is great to come back to every so often, to get maximal strength and to really stimulate the type II fibres. I could go on, but thats kind of my stand point.
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repeated bout effect
why let that adaptation fully take place?
You want the adaptation to fully take place so you can grow. Other wise you will be over training.
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I usually do my FB workout in the morning or late at night, lying in bed naked with a chick sitting on my meat pole.
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Yea that is not correct. Your muscles take fro 3 days to 4 weeks to full heal. If you do lift while your muscle is sore you are a retard. You body is telling you not to work it. Thats why its sore! Also if a muscle can not recover fully plus time to grow and get stronger then there will be no change.
With a total body workout the overall volume per muscle per workout isn't high enough to prevent recovery from taking place within 48 hours. Less volume = faster recovery = more frequency.
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With a total body workout the overall volume per muscle per workout isn't high enough to prevent recovery from taking place within 48 hours. Less volume = faster recovery = more frequency.
thats exaclty my feelings. i like hitting the muscle more often, with less volume. thats also one of the key things in DC.