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He knows his stuff.
Karl Rove Predicts Obama Blowout
By Dan Eggen
The architect is not optimistic.
Karl Rove, who is widely credited as the mastermind behind President Bush's election victories in 2000 and 2004, predicts that Democratic nominee Barack Obama will win Tuesday's election with 338 electoral votes while Republican John McCain garners 200. The forecast puts Rove at the higher end of predictions for an Obama victory, even with several of the closest states being awarded to McCain.
According to the final 2008 polling map posted on the Rove & Co. website, Obama will take a wide swath of tossup and red states, including Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Nevada. The former Bush political adviser predicts McCain will hold on to North Carolina, Florida, Missouri and his home state of Arizona. Obama, according to the Rove map, will win easily by 10 points in Pennsylvania, where McCain has poured significant resources and campaign time.
Many of Obama's victories in red states will be won by 5 points or more, according to Rove's map, including Ohio (5 percent); Virginia (7 percent); Colorado (6 percent) and Nevada (7 percent). Several of McCain's wins will be nail-biters by comparison, including Indiana (1 percent) and Missouri and North Carolina (less than 1 percent each).
As recently as mid-October, Rove had said that Obama had not yet "closed the sale" with voters. On Fox News Sunday, Rove acknowledged that McCain has a "very steep uphill climb," but also said that "right now people are playing the game of sort of trying to settle the race before it's over."
"In the close states, the last poll that matters is the one in which everybody gets to cast their ballot and not wait for the phone solicitor," Rove said.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/karl_rove_predicts_obama_blowo.html
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i think my brother's chiwawa predicted a blowout too
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Hey Beach... didn't you say Rove was wrong about Tim Kaine's experience?
Still think Rove was wrong?
;-)
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Hey Beach... didn't you say Rove was wrong about Tim Kaine's experience?
Still think Rove was wrong?
;-)
Yes.
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Yes.
Too bad America didn't.
:D
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i think my brother's chiwawa predicted a blowout too
quite rovian of the little guy.
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Too bad America didn't.
:D
Tell me about it.
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Tell me about it.
So I'm guessing that to America... Rove was right and you were wrong.
But yet you were still right and Rove was wrong?
That's your line and you're sticking to it?
I do admire your tenacity in the face of defeat Beach.
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So I'm guessing that to America... Rove was right and you were wrong.
But yet you were still right and Rove was wrong?
That's your line and you're sticking to it?
I do admire your tenacity in the face of defeat Beach.
Rove was right about Obama being unqualified to be president. I agreed with Rove. The majority of the voters disagreed. The fact that Obama won doesn't suddenly transform his lack of credentials and experience. If you want to talk about predictions, then I'll say I was wrong, as I have been the entire election. :) Early on, I thought Hillary and Rudy would be the nominees. Later, I thought Obama would lose. But never underestimate the power of a good speech.
Who is being tenacious? You asked a question and I answered. And I'm not facing defeat. I wasn't on the ballot yesterday. :)
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Jag predicted a blowout, what are you saying BB?
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Jag predicted a blowout, what are you saying BB?
I didn't read Jag's prediction, but you know what they say about blind squirrels.
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I didn't read Jag's prediction, but you know what they say about blind squirrels.
several predicted a blowout here, blind squirrels?
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Rove was right about Obama being unqualified to be president. I agreed with Rove. The majority of the voters disagreed. The fact that Obama won doesn't suddenly transform his lack of credentials and experience. If you want to talk about predictions, then I'll say I was wrong, as I have been the entire election. :) Early on, I thought Hillary and Rudy would be the nominees. Later, I thought Obama would lose. But never underestimate the power of a good speech.
Who is being tenacious? You asked a question and I answered. And I'm not facing defeat. I wasn't on the ballot yesterday. :)
Again, that's not what Rove said... Rove said that picking Tim McCain as VP (back when Obama was looking) was horrible because he had only been City Councilman of Richmond, VA., Mayor of Richmond, VA, and then Governor of Virginia for 2 years.
The same qualifications as Sarah Palin, yet in a much much larger environment... So again... That's what Rove said... and I guess... Rove was right!
Who'd have thought I'd say that.
That man really is a smart mofo isn't he?
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several predicted a blowout here, blind squirrels?
Yes.
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Again, that's not what Rove said... Rove said that picking Tim McCain as VP (back when Obama was looking) was horrible because he had only been City Councilman of Richmond, VA., Mayor of Richmond, VA, and then Governor of Virginia for 2 years.
The same qualifications as Sarah Palin, yet in a much much larger environment... So again... That's what Rove said... and I guess... Rove was right!
Who'd have thought I'd say that.
That man really is a smart mofo isn't he?
He was wrong about the VA governor being unqualified to be VP, right about Obama being unqualified to be prez.
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He was wrong about the VA governor being unqualified to be VP, right about Obama being unqualified to be prez.
My point is that he was right about Tim Kaine... the vote showed that Palin was unqualified and the people decided so.
That makes him correct on both counts.
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My point is that he was right about Tim Kaine... the vote showed that Palin was unqualified and the people decided so.
That makes him correct on both counts.
No it didn't. People vote the top of the ticket. IMO, the primary reasons Obama won were (1) money, (2) running a very good campaign, (3) the economic meltdown, (4) Bush's unpopularity, (5) McCain's poor campaign and enormous money disparity, and (6) Oprah.
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No it didn't. People vote the top of the ticket. IMO, the primary reasons Obama won were (1) money, (2) running a very good campaign, (3) the economic meltdown, (4) Bush's unpopularity, (5) McCain's poor campaign and enormous money disparity, and (6) Oprah.
That's not why I voted for him... I voted because Obama+Biden > McCain + Palin.
For you to say otherwise is simply you being unwilling to admit the truth.
For the first time in my memory... people really WERE worried about the VP... For you to say otherwise is disingenuous.
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That's not why I voted for him... I voted because Obama+Biden > McCain + Palin.
For you to say otherwise is simply you being unwilling to admit the truth.
For the first time in my memory... people really WERE worried about the VP... For you to say otherwise is disingenuous.
Really? Show me the numbers and I'll change my opinion. What the numbers show in pretty much every election is people vote the top of the ticket. I don't think this election was any different. Show me the numbers that prove enough people changed their vote because of Palin to change the outcome of the election. I'm not talking about people who were worried about her. I'm talking about people who actually changed their vote to Obama because of her, in significant enough numbers to change the outcome.
Failing, that I stand by my opinion.
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Yes.
::) really, all they had to do was look at the average polls from realclearpolitics to call it ::)
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::) really, all they had to do was look at the average polls from realclearpolitics to call it ::)
Wow. ::)
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wait, sorry, I haven't slept much. we're saying the same thing lol... which is what I was trying to say about Rove... you said he knows his stuff... contradiction?
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When it comes to running campaigns and handicapping elections, he knows his stuff.
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When it comes to running campaigns and handicapping elections, he knows his stuff.
I'm not seeing "teh special" in this prediction?
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So?
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So?
and? what I can't say that?