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http://www.change.gov/americaserves
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Yes, weyou can will!
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when I was a child, the fear mongering going through my grade school was that the new president was going to make us go to school 12 months a year.
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I think this is probably missing details... It can't possibly be what it says.
Ok, the site was obviously put together really fast, on another page it says: Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
I'm wondering about "require"
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I think this is probably missing details... It can't possibly be what it says.
Ok, the site was obviously put together really fast, on another page it says: Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
I'm wondering about "require"
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http://www.change.gov/americaserves
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Yes, weyou can will!
{giggle}
it's not as bad as it seems.
The problem is that in your society... community service has always been seen as some form of punishment.
If you can get past that mindset, ...perhaps you'll see what an incredible opportunity that would be for youth to really understand what's taking place around them. considering these are the ones who will indeed be setting the policies of tomorrow, ...their having a firm grasp on reality and an understanding of the lives of others is a good thing.
Community service in order to receive financial aid or college tuition isn't a bad thing at all.
Up here in Ontario, seniors in highschool are required to complete a certain amount of hours of community service just to graduate from highschool. It builds character, as well as a sense of UNselfishness that is sorely lacking in todays kids. It gets them out in the world meeting and interacting with other people who may not be just like them. Through exposure and interaction, walls long fortified by fear & ignorance come tumbling down.
This is a good thing.
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http://www.change.gov/agenda/service/
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it is 40 bucks an hour or up to I guess... rich kids will be pissed :D
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http://www.change.gov/agenda/service/
Thanks
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http://www.change.gov/americaserves
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Yes, weyou can will!
And ??? ;D
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It may not be a dumb idea after all. But very hard to put to work though.
I think the best gain from something like this would actually be how it helps instill some character in high school kids.
Ghetto kids getting to work and meet adults and see role models - I think that may actually work.
As for what services they will provide - I don't know.
I just know that many parents - too many fail at parenting.
And if kids were to do community service it would probably build their character and as a bonus - their patriotism as well.
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Required? Obama can't be fucking up this soon?
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Required? Obama can't be fucking up this soon?
ya i like the idea but i dont think he should/could make it required maybe something like helping out with college or like it was said tax credits or something shit id volunteer for tax credits.
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I don't know what level of required we're talking about and for who, but I know one thing for sure. If all of the people are required in some way to get us out of the shithole, perhaps the people will be more willing to scrutinize bullshit steps that get us into shit in the first place. The one thing I do know is there has been no shortage of people who just don't give a fuck and that apathy is partly to blame. When we all have to sacrifice, maybe people will start giving a shit next time the psychos move to screw us.
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ya i like the idea but i dont think he should/could make it required maybe something like helping out with college or like it was said tax credits or something shit id volunteer for tax credits.
It clearly states that it is only those in grad and high school and college (probably those with student loans - may get much better terms though) that this would be mandatory for.
And I don't even know if it will be mandatory for these groups.
But it would build much needed character in lots of ghetto kids.
As for the general public, the idea is probably to re-build the communities that has been a solid foundation previously.
Interesting idea, but a very huge project to undertake.
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I guess they've refined it even further. There is no mention of "required" and the basic gist of the item seems to be that it is just an initiative, like physical fitness or reading challenges.
For the record, this isn't all that unusual. I went to a Catholic high school in Ohio and all of the schools in the diocese were required to put in so many hours of community service.
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yup, they did change the wording. As it was worded, it sounded like citizens of all ages would be required. Like I said, that entire site was put up very fast and I kinda figured this wasn't what it sounded like.
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For the record, this isn't all that unusual. I went to a Catholic high school in Ohio and all of the schools in the diocese were required to put in so many hours of community service.
Same here, you can't graduate from any high school in the country unless you do XX hours of community service.
Of course we are tiny so logistics make it easy, but I think it's a good policy and it works very well for us.
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most of us did community service in high school anyway
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I think it should be required for all high school kids.
Military service in Israel is mandatory for all, men 4 years and women 2 years.
You can say what you want about Israel, but no country comes close to having such community spirit.
Perhaps some 50 hours per year seems bleak in comparison.
But it will probably have effect.
The biggest problem is to getting this done and to explain the positives of it.
I'm sure there will be plenty of white and black thrash who will oppose this 'nobody ain't tellin' me nothin' how to raise ma kidz!'.
Since we can't neuter these bozo's, giving their kids a helping hand to become upstanding fcuking citizens seems like a plan.
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I think it should be required for all high school kids.
Military service in Israel is mandatory for all, men 4 years and women 2 years.
You can say what you want about Israel, but no country comes close to having such community spirit.
Perhaps some 50 hours per year seems bleak in comparison.
Exactly. I said it as a joke but I was serious - people seem to think Patrotism means waving some flag while hating other countries. All useless, totally useless.
Doing something to uplift your nation is true patrotism, but per usual people prefer rhetoric and talk over actual action.
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it is 40 bucks an hour or up to I guess... rich kids will be pissed :D
It'll be half, look at his campaign workers. Lol
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So community service for a tax credit makes no sense? Seems to me like a stay at home mom that files jointly, part time employees and college students could make out like a bandits.
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So community service for a tax credit makes no sense? Seems to me like a stay at home mom that files jointly, part time employees and college students could make out like a bandits.
I think the idea is cool but I think you'd have a lot of people doing it and I doubt the funds would be available. I don't know how many kids go to college a year but even if 200k students got $4k you are talking almost one billion dollars. I bet the top four universities in the country total 200k, so I'm sure there are a lot more.
Community service is a great idea but there are drawbacks to the plan itself.
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I think the idea is cool but I think you'd have a lot of people doing it and I doubt the funds would be available. I don't know how many kids go to college a year but even if 200k students got $4k you are talking almost one billion dollars. I bet the top four universities in the country total 200k, so I'm sure there are a lot more.
Community service is a great idea but there are drawbacks to the plan itself.
I agree.
Funding of this will be a tough one.
There may be some smart solution where the reform sort of finances itself, eg that expenses for teen crime drops et al.
But regardless - a key matter.
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I think the idea is cool but I think you'd have a lot of people doing it and I doubt the funds would be available. I don't know how many kids go to college a year but even if 200k students got $4k you are talking almost one billion dollars. I bet the top four universities in the country total 200k, so I'm sure there are a lot more.
Community service is a great idea but there are drawbacks to the plan itself.
We were just bamboozled into giving $700B to fucking millionaires!!!
$1B/yr in tax credits to college students or working families isn't a huge deal. Someone like me, who is divorced, would be helped too because child support isn't tax deductible.
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I think the idea is cool but I think you'd have a lot of people doing it and I doubt the funds would be available. I don't know how many kids go to college a year but even if 200k students got $4k you are talking almost one billion dollars. I bet the top four universities in the country total 200k, so I'm sure there are a lot more.
Community service is a great idea but there are drawbacks to the plan itself.
Yes, and when you think a billion dollars to help out 200,000 American students and get things done at home through the charity work.
The USA has spent that on the Iraq war only since Obama was elected. By time he gets in will be enough spent in Iraq to fund such a program for over 20 years at those numbers.
That is one thing I never understand, why people are so thrilled to pay high taxes and have much of it pour offshore instead of spent at home.
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The sky is falling!!
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In some ways this could work and in some ways it's a bunch of bullshit. It all depends on what version they are considering implementing, the website isn't very clear.
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In some ways this could work and in some ways it's a bunch of bullshit. It all depends on what version they are considering implementing, the website isn't very clear.
I think you're right.
It's a brave idea, but does he really think he can somehow make Superpatriots out of all Americans?
This can really get wild LOL.
If he were white, I'm sure the Klan and the Aryan Nation would masturbate seeing this proposal.
But I am really curious.
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I think you're right.
It's a brave idea, but does he really think he can somehow make Superpatriots out of all Americans?
This can really get wild LOL.
If he were white, I'm sure the Klan and the Aryan Nation would masturbate seeing this proposal.
But I am really curious.
From his blue book I believe.
In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities.
I don't like the way this sounds.
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I actually agree with this. Gen-Y is LAZY. And if you are getting some type of government assistance, then you need to contribute something back to society.
From his blue book I believe.
In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities.
I don't like the way this sounds.
I'm sure as more information comes out it will only highlight how much money the government was giving to these "do nothing" schools that have below average graduation rates, and let students slip by.....well that has to happen, but in the very least they might as well contribute some time and effort into actually doing worthwhile activities.
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From his blue book I believe.
In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities.
I don't like the way this sounds.
I've actually spent a week with a family in rural USA, and for people like them, reforms like these are much needed.
They are probably 15-20 years behind the rest of the USA as far as education level and they're just cut off from ways to get anywhere in life.
Everything is really bad there, not just schools, but roads, phone lines not to mention the sewer systems.
It's a like a development country inside the USA.
And obviously, lots of tremendous waste of potential.
A few may laugh at Joe the Coach and his c&p'ing, but he's a political genius and expert in comparison to these people.
These people believe Europe is a country, don't know the difference between Washington and DC, often believes NY to be the capitol and thinks Lincoln was the first president.
A lot of them writes poorly at best.
So a reform would be perhaps start dealing with this very real problem.
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McCain could have advanced the same idea, called it a tax cut and everyone would have loved it.
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I actually agree with this. Gen-Y is LAZY. And if you are getting some type of government assistance, then you need to contribute something back to society.
I'm sure as more information comes out it will only highlight how much money the government was giving to these "do nothing" schools that have below average graduation rates, and let students slip by.....well that has to happen, but in the very least they might as well contribute some time and effort into actually doing worthwhile activities.
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any US jurisdiction whether at the hands of the US government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Politicains always hide behind the flag, the bible and children. No Child left Behind...No Child left Behind, oh really? Well, it wasn't long ago you were talking about giving children a Head Start. Head Start, Left Behind. Someone's losing fucking ground here. - paraphrasing George Carlin
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most colleges make you do that much already, don't they?
It's good IMO - many people here beat their chests about how military service should be mandatory. Why not make a little community service mandatory? You all live here. If you should fight in military, you should fight for better domestic.
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most colleges make you do that much already, don't they?
It's good IMO - many people here beat their chests about how military service should be mandatory. Why not make a little community service mandatory? You all live here. If you should fight in military, you should fight for better domestic.
A little involintary servitude never killed anyone.
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Slavery was abolished in 1865
Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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most colleges make you do that much already, don't they?
It's good IMO - many people here beat their chests about how military service should be mandatory. Why not make a little community service mandatory? You all live here. If you should fight in military, you should fight for better domestic.
Nah, war is too romantic to people, even those in the military. Domestic - boring!
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Slavery was abolished in 1865
Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor.
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Slavery was abolished in 1865
Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Didn't they have conscription at some point?
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I don't like the way some of this sounds either Blindare. Sounds like the gov could be stepping too far into private matters under Obama...we have to see what his exact proposal will look like though. I find nothing wrong with offering tax or school credits for real community service but the minute we make these things mandatory, the minute we start moving away from being American.
"substantial infusion of funds" is very concerning as well. We've tried that for 25 years now. The biggest problem with schools in low income area is the lack of cohesive family, poor discipline and poor ethics/values. You can't throw $ at those things and they are needed to provide a solid foundation for learning and advancement.
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"substantial infusion of funds" is very concerning as well. We've tried that for 25 years now. The biggest problem with schools in low income area is the lack of cohesive family, poor discipline and poor ethics/values. You can't throw $ at those things and they are needed to provide a solid foundation for learning and advancement.
My thoughts exactly.
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More people doing community service would be a good thing, but I don't think they should be required to.
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Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any US jurisdiction whether at the hands of the US government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Bingo......this is how it starts....my kid is not in any way shape or form getting involved with the Obama youth.........
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Bingo......this is how it starts....my kid is not in any way shape or form getting involved with the Obama youth.........
LOL. "Obama youth". Funny stuff.
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I thought Meshelle would have moved to Canada by now.
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I think this is probably missing details... It can't possibly be what it says.
Ok, the site was obviously put together really fast, on another page it says: Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
I'm wondering about "require"
If he has a draft, what will you say then?
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Over the weekend President-elect Barack Obama scrubbed Change.gov, his transition Web site, deleting most of what had been a massive agenda copied directly from his campaign Web site.
Gone are the promises on how an Obama administration would handle 25 different agenda items - everything from Iraq and immigration to taxes and urban policy - all items laid out on his campaign Web site, www.BarackObama.com.
Instead, the official agenda on Change.gov has been boiled down to one vague paragraph proclaiming a plan “to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives.”
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Following a controversy over language that appeared on Barack Obama’s official website suggesting that Americans would be mandated to complete up to 100 hours of community service as part of a national service program, the original text has been memory-holed and replaced with a more sanitized version.
Despite numerous bloggers picking up on the switch, along with screenshots from before and after proving the language was changed, mesmerized Obama supporters are still claiming that that detractors had invented the language and that the website had not been altered.
The text from Obama’s change.gov website, which went online shortly after the election result, originally appeared as follows (emphasis mine).
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
The text was changed at some point on Friday afternoon/evening to the following (emphasis mine).
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.
On a separate area of the website, the program was also described under the heading “Require 100 hours of service in college,” but this has also since disappeared.
Clearly, the use of the word “require” suggested that the program would be mandatory, stoking fears that such community service programs would be one aspect of Obama’s promised “civilian national security force” that is “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the U.S. military.
“The language of requiring students to serve and the creation of a “Classroom Corps” sparked a surge of criticism from bloggers for bringing back memories of the much-publicized video of marching Obama youth and Obama’s “civilian national security force,” which the candidate said in July would be just as powerful and well-funded as the U.S. military,” reports World Net Daily.
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I don't think it was invented, I think it was just an error. As it was worded it didn't make sense to me at all. My first reaction was to say oh shit, I might have voted wrong. But then I thought wow, that whole page was done up in a day. This must be an error in wording. I mean, as it was worded, they'd be having a 40 year old career garbage man doing community work with kids in schools. my head spun but it didn't take long to figure there must be an error and they corrected the error as I kinda figured would happen.