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::) looks like what I said yesterday is true... guys like Glenn Beck were screaming, buy all the guns you can, stock up, dig a bunker!!!
MIDLOTHIAN, Va. – When 10-year-old Austin Smith heard Barack Obama had been elected president, he had one question: Does this mean I won't get a new gun for Christmas?
That brought his mother, the camouflage-clad Rachel Smith, to Bob Moates Sports Shop on Thursday, where she was picking out that special 20-gauge shotgun — one of at least five weapons she plans to buy before Obama takes office in January.
Like Smith, gun enthusiasts nationwide are stocking up on firearms out of fears that the combination of an Obama administration and a Democrat-dominated Congress will result in tough new gun laws.
"I think they're going to really try to crack down on guns and make it harder for people to try to purchase them," said Smith, 32, who taught all five of her children — ages 4 to 10 — to shoot because the family relies on game for food.
cont... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_re_us/obama_gun_sales
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In reality, you know what the biggest anti-gun group is in this country? Law enforcement...
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I'm starting to see the benefits of being a rightwing talk show host.
buy stock in industry X, hit the on air panic button and cash in.
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I haven't heard Obama chime in too much on the guns, but it seems to me that no one needs automatic or semi automatic assault rifles. If you can't kill a fucking deer with a pea shooter, you need more help than a gun can provide.
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I'm not sure where i stand on that. If someone is hellbent on killing many, an assault rifle ban won't stop them. I dunno...
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I haven't heard Obama chime in too much on the guns, but it seems to me that no one needs automatic or semi automatic assault rifles. If you can't kill a fucking deer with a pea shooter, you need more help than a gun can provide.
How about if you want to actually take down big game? What if you just want to learn how to snipe? What if your son wants to be a sniper and you want to get him a weapon to practice with? What if you live in a remote area and want to make sure the fucker breaking into your house stays down? One shot with an M-14 will ensure that.
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How about if you want to actually take down big game? What if you just want to learn how to snipe? What if your son wants to be a sniper and you want to get him a weapon to practice with? What if you live in a remote area and want to make sure the fucker breaking into your house stays down? One shot with an M-14 will ensure that.
What if you live in a bad part of LA and you've been disrespected? What if you miss your target and hit some 8 year old kid taking a piano lesson and you leaven him crippled. Oh wait, my bad, that happened in Oakland, last year, not LA.
A shot gun slug can take down big game can't it? And really, big game hunting, unless for food, is pretty pointless (but you're pro life, right?). A shot gun can sto intruder to, right? Or, a dog...
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How about if you want to actually take down big game? What if you just want to learn how to snipe? What if your son wants to be a sniper and you want to get him a weapon to practice with? What if you live in a remote area and want to make sure the fucker breaking into your house stays down? One shot with an M-14 will ensure that.
Cap, not siding against you but you should know an assault rifle is a terrible choice for big game lol...
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What if you live in a bad part of LA and you've been disrespected? What if you miss your target and hit some 8 year old kid taking a piano lesson and you leaven him crippled. Oh wait, my bad, that happened in Oakland, last year, not LA.
A shot gun slug can take down big game can't it? And really, big game hunting, unless for food, is pretty pointless (but you're pro life, right?). A shot gun can sto intruder to, right? Or, a dog...
You realize the homeboys get guns no matter what right? God I hope so. LAPD routinely melts guns from busts.
As far as big game, to both posters, the kick of a military rifle is more fun. ;D I don't care about what I eat. I don't care about killers in jail, but yes I do care about innocent children that are knifed in the head. I want to knife disposable people in the head, but I can't.
So you're okay with me putting a slug in a guy and cutting him in half or using double ought buck and taking off a limb but not a .223 round in his head?
Hugo, I know...I just like shooting 7.62 rounds. ;)
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You realize the homeboys get guns no matter what right? God I hope so. LAPD routinely melts guns from busts.
As far as big game, to both posters, the kick of a military rifle is more fun. ;D I don't care about what I eat. I don't care about killers in jail, but yes I do care about innocent children that are knifed in the head. I want to knife disposable people in the head, but I can't.
So you're okay with me putting a slug in a guy and cutting him in half or using double ought buck and taking off a limb but not a .223 round in his head?
Hugo, I know...I just like shooting 7.62 rounds. ;)
ok ;D
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You realize the homeboys get guns no matter what right? God I hope so. LAPD routinely melts guns from busts.
As far as big game, to both posters, the kick of a military rifle is more fun. ;D I don't care about what I eat. I don't care about killers in jail, but yes I do care about innocent children that are knifed in the head. I want to knife disposable people in the head, but I can't.
So you're okay with me putting a slug in a guy and cutting him in half or using double ought buck and taking off a limb but not a .223 round in his head?
Hugo, I know...I just like shooting 7.62 rounds. ;)
No one needs to be able to obtain a military riffle unless they have a proven track record that they know how to handle a weapon like that. if there was a law that decreed you needed to obtain education and training and insurance in order to obtain a high powered assault riffle, i'd be all down with that. I know some stupid mother fuckers with guns, its scary. my buddy and i just hunted and took down a wild boar for food with cross bows two weeks ago, we didn't need guns. granted, this guy is a lifer military guy and knows what he is doing, but we (read, HE, i missed badly and watched the savage guy i was with hit directly behind the left shoulder blade and slit its throat with a big old knife) were able to do it.
As for someone breaking into your home, yeah, if someone threatened my home, all bets are off. but i have a dog, and that is a greater deterrent than the threat of guns in my house. people who case my house will see the large dog. They will go away. For the record though, if the Dow goes under 4000, i'm getting a shotgun. If society starts breaking down, I'm not going to be one who ain't armed.
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Trap, me and my buddies were college kids in AZ who like to shoot. We shoot/shot responsibly, so why not allow us to have the weapons to hone our skills. We all wanted to be LEO or military. We all took courses (non-required) to learn how to basically kill anyone in a room that presents a threat. We don't take the rifles outside the home unless to shoot. Is it really a big deal?
You can't get exact military rifles but pretty close and they are just fun to shoot. Some guys are just "gear guys" who like to buy up weapons and just go shoot. Some are nerds, some not but they just like to shoot. I met a guy shooting in the desert who bought a 50 cal Barrett just because he could and he wanted to shoot big fucking rounds way far out.
Use a shotty with slugs and aim for center mass. Most like buck shot but fuck it, he's gonna die anyway so why not go for broke?
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yeah, i get catalogs in the mail, the stuff i can mail away for riffle mods in california made military riffles seem like nothing. I agree with the right to arms, but people like you and your buddies aren't the problem. its, as always, the guys who abuse the right. I'm not saying its fair, but if we're going to allow it, regulate it a helluva lot better than they are now. Call for mandatory education, licencing, and insurance. that will deter the wrong people from owning guns, or at least slow them down. I can kill a lot of people with my car, but i recieved training, education and i pay insurance. same idea.
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In reality, you know what the biggest anti-gun group is in this country? Law enforcement...
NRA....Very strong lobby!!!
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I haven't heard Obama chime in too much on the guns, but it seems to me that no one needs automatic or semi automatic assault rifles. If you can't kill a fucking deer with a pea shooter, you need more help than a gun can provide.
The second amendment is not about deer hunting you moron.
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No one needs to be able to obtain a military riffle unless they have a proven track record that they know how to handle a weapon like that. if there was a law that decreed you needed to obtain education and training and insurance in order to obtain a high powered assault riffle, i'd be all down with that. I know some stupid mother fuckers with guns, its scary. my buddy and i just hunted and took down a wild boar for food with cross bows two weeks ago, we didn't need guns. granted, this guy is a lifer military guy and knows what he is doing, but we (read, HE, i missed badly and watched the savage guy i was with hit directly behind the left shoulder blade and slit its throat with a big old knife) were able to do it.
As for someone breaking into your home, yeah, if someone threatened my home, all bets are off. but i have a dog, and that is a greater deterrent than the threat of guns in my house. people who case my house will see the large dog. They will go away. For the record though, if the Dow goes under 4000, i'm getting a shotgun. If society starts breaking down, I'm not going to be one who ain't armed.
You have to be the most ignorant person on these forums with regards to firearms.
If all hell broke loose, you would not be able to get a gun since they would all be sold out. Additionally, like I said to you earlier, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting.
The "assault weapons" ban is a liberal lie like almost everything else.
The fact of the matter is that "assault weapons" are used in like .03% of gun related crimes.
Small, cheap, concealable, handguns are used almost exclusively in gun related crimes by criminals.
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NRA....Very strong lobby!!!
The 2nd Amendment is number 2 for a reason. Freedom of speech and assembly is the 1st in the bill of rights for a reason.
Anyone who advocates for strong gun control really needs their heads examined and are no different than anyone who favors strong regulation fo the first amendment.
You liberal anti-gun people dont realize that the politicians want to ban guns because that is their easiet method of controlling the populace.
Banning guns really worked for the jews in germany didn't it???
Banning guns really works for the poor peasants in communist countries????
Thank God for the NRA.
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You have to be the most ignorant person on these forums with regards to firearms.
If all hell broke loose, you would not be able to get a gun since they would all be sold out. Additionally, like I said to you earlier, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting.
The "assault weapons" ban is a liberal lie like almost everything else.
The fact of the matter is that "assault weapons" are used in like .03% of gun related crimes.
Small, cheap, concealable, handguns are used almost exclusively in gun related crimes by criminals.
The liberal democrats go after assault weapons because they are easy. People like Brady can stand up there (heh) and say "We don't need a gun that was only designed to kill people", and since 75% of the population is too lazy too look past the first two sentences, pople say "Yes, thats a great idea, lets ban them!"
When I look around,, the only people I see who REALLY really want super-duper gun control are the soccer mom types and liberals who toe the party line no matter what.
Gang banger fucks are going to have and use the guns no matter what.
Banning guns to prevent school shootings and street crime is like banning Toyotas to prevent drunk driving.
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Number of people killed by a registered gun owner 0
at least I cannot find any inofrmation regarding any having happened.
Certainly no murders.
People who gets guns legally just dont use them violently.
Bottom line. No need to outlaw guns. Just enforce the existing laws.
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Number of people killed by a registered gun owner 0
at least I cannot find any inofrmation regarding any having happened.
Certainly no murders.
People who gets guns legally just dont use them violently.
Bottom line. No need to outlaw guns. Just enforce the existing laws.
My permit took almost 6 months to get. And that is not even a carry since in NY you cant get that to begin with. I went through FBI and state background checks.
Does anyone really believe that after all of that I am going to hold up a bank or commit a crime?????
What a joke. Focus on the criminals, not the law abiding citizens.
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My permit took almost 6 months to get. And that is not even a carry since in NY you cant get that to begin with. I went through FBI and state background checks.
Does anyone really believe that after all of that I am going to hold up a bank or commit a crime?????
What a joke. Focus on the criminals, not the law abiding citizens.
agree 100%.
welcome to the 'good guy' club. I've had permit and carried for almost 12 years now. Having that permit means you have to have a 100% clean criminal record, be fingerprinted on file, and be totally accountable for your actions.
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agree 100%.
welcome to the 'good guy' club. I've had permit and carried for almost 12 years now. Having that permit means you have to have a 100% clean criminal record, be fingerprinted on file, and be totally accountable for your actions.
People who think that anyone can just go get a handgun dont realize that in states like CA, NY, NJ, MA, IL, DC, its impossible unless you buy it illegally off the street.
Every time I buy a new handgun in NY ,you have to reapply for your permit and amend your previous permit.
A long arm requires an instant check by the dealer calling a federal hotline so that you have no record.
Anyone who think that a criminals peferred weapon is an AK or AR15 has no idea about guns or crime.
Sure they look "scary" but they are probably less dangerous than an illegal handgun since it is almost impossible to carry around a AR15 and not be noticed whereas a handgun can be concealed easily.
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My permit took almost 6 months to get. And that is not even a carry since in NY you cant get that to begin with. I went through FBI and state background checks.
Does anyone really believe that after all of that I am going to hold up a bank or commit a crime?????
What a joke. Focus on the criminals, not the law abiding citizens.
The government won't regulate PEOPLE. Every time that's tried the libs scream bloody murder, racism, civil-rights, whatever... Gun regulation is all about controling the tool, not the problem.
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People who think that anyone can just go get a handgun dont realize that in states like CA, NY, NJ, MA, IL, DC, its impossible unless you buy it illegally off the street.
Every time I buy a new handgun in NY ,you have to reapply for your permit and amend your previous permit.
A long arm requires an instant check by the dealer calling a federal hotline so that you have no record.
Anyone who think that a criminals peferred weapon is an AK or AR15 has no idea about guns or crime.
Sure they look "scary" but they are probably less dangerous than an illegal handgun since it is almost impossible to carry around a AR15 and not be noticed whereas a handgun can be concealed easily.
Exactly....who the hell is going to rob u with a SAW or a M-240. Ur going to get robbed by a piece of shit stolen .38 snub nose......With the way things are I wouldn't mind a M-4 or another basic assualt rifle. I don't need an automatic weapon, a rocket launcher or anything like that. If things got completely stupid here, I'd be able to get that crap anyway. What I want or need to have access to is a round that will put somebody down once. I need a shotgun that will allow to me to mix and match my round selection....and uncle Barry has no reason in hell to tell me what I can carry or purchase. If i qualify to own a gun, I should be able to get what I want within reason. I should not have to register my ammo either. He really oughta stay away from this
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HH, I need an M-203.
Can you hook me up?
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Fine. Let's legalize all weapons. Biological, nuclear, whatever.
I think we can fix this gun mess with a mandatory 25 year no parole sentence for anyone convicted of any crime where a gun is fired.
Yes, that would include negligent use of a firearm as well. Right Mr. Vice President?
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Decker,
Think of all the tort lawsuits you could get! You'd hit the jackpot!
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No and u don't need an M-203.
See Decker..common sense.....I would love a fully automatic MP-5 but I don't need one. I can get an M-4, same as I carried in Afghanistan. I can't fire a 3 rnd burst..but u really don't need that
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Decker,
Think of all the tort lawsuits you could get! You'd hit the jackpot!
I wish. I try to understand the love of guns and I just draw a blank. I do try. I just don't see it. From anecdotal experience, I think of all the times in my life when there was conflict and adding a gun to those instances just does not make it better.
That's my problem.
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Teach them young! ;D
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Teach them young! ;D
What a sad sight that is.
I prefer this:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/okin2003/RsXX52ByVyI/AAAAAAAAAF8/6a5u16UEkmw/Read+books+that+you+enjoy.jpg)
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What, the red x?
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I wish. I try to understand the love of guns and I just draw a blank. I do try. I just don't see it. From anecdotal experience, I think of all the times in my life when there was conflict and adding a gun to those instances just does not make it better.
That's my problem.
And hopefully u never will. I don't hunt at all. I actually pretty anti-hunting unless u do it with a bow. All my friends hunt. They have camera's and cool suits and deer piss and special pre hunting soap. I don't get it. I like deer meat and there are plenty of deer. Beyond that...how could u kill a bear...or a moose. However I have several weapons including a shotgut loaded to shread a robber, his buddy..the guy behind him and evetually the asshole waiting in the car. I have handguns as well....I shoot ocaasionally. My son is NRA trained and I've passed on some of the combat handgun shit I know, from courses I've taken. He hunts...alot. I have guns for protection.
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What a sad sight that is.
I prefer this:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/okin2003/RsXX52ByVyI/AAAAAAAAAF8/6a5u16UEkmw/Read+books+that+you+enjoy.jpg)
What is a sad sight? Me taking my son to the shooting range with his grandpa and uncle? We have tribal deer and elk hunting rights and go every hunting every year. The gun he is shooting is a .17 which is smaller than a 22.
I would prefer my son knew about guns so that if he ever encounters one he knows the dangers and response accordingly. I got my first 22 when I was 5 years old and was taught at a young age to respect guns.
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I wish. I try to understand the love of guns and I just draw a blank. I do try. I just don't see it. From anecdotal experience, I think of all the times in my life when there was conflict and adding a gun to those instances just does not make it better.
That's my problem.
The point is that people need to access of the means to be able to protect themselves. For home defense, the best weapon is probably a pump shotgun backed up by a 357 revolver or 9mm handgun.
If the criminals think no one is armed than everyone will be target practice since they will know we are all defenseless.
If you were a mugger or robber - who are you robbing? The home where the owner has an NRA sticke on the back of the pick up or the house where the Toyota Prius is parked with the "End War Now" sticker on it?
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Guns don't kill people...untrained assholes or ones with bad intentions, kill people. Buff thats good stuff...my son has 2 rifles and wants to bow hunt. He's done the NRA course and does a refresher every year if he wants to go hunting with his grandfather.
333386...priceless hahahaahahaahah
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The point is that people need to access of the means to be able to protect themselves. For home defense, the best weapon is probably a pump shotgun backed up by a 357 revolver or 9mm handgun.
If the criminals think no one is armed than everyone will be target practice since they will know we are all defenseless.
If you were a mugger or robber - who are you robbing? The home where the owner has an NRA sticke on the back of the pick up or the house where the Toyota Prius is parked with the "End War Now" sticker on it?
It sends a "I'ma big lib pussy, come rob me and rape my wife" signal.
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Guns don't kill people...untrained assholes or ones with bad intentions, kill people. Buff thats good stuff...my son has 2 rifles and wants to bow hunt. He's done the NRA course and does a refresher every year if he wants to go hunting with his grandfather.
333386...priceless hahahaahahaahah
I think all people should at least know the basic functions of guns just so that if they come cacross one they can properly unload it and make it for safe handling, especially a revolver and semi auto handgun.
I have a bunch of guns, legally of course, but at the end of the day, my favorite for shooting is the Ruger 10 22 .22. Small decent, easy rifle to go to the range with.
When I see the people who drive Toyota Prius and the other little go karts with all the Obama and End War stickers, it just screams "target practice" if I were a criminal.
On the other hand, a guy with an NRA sticker, pick up truck, I am not messing with that guy since he is either armed with a gun, or at least has a boot knife or club under the seat.
Liberals just dont get it.
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Teach them young! ;D
Great picture!!!!!!!!!!!
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The point is that people need to access of the means to be able to protect themselves. For home defense, the best weapon is probably a pump shotgun backed up by a 357 revolver or 9mm handgun.
If the criminals think no one is armed than everyone will be target practice since they will know we are all defenseless.
If you were a mugger or robber - who are you robbing? The home where the owner has an NRA sticke on the back of the pick up or the house where the Toyota Prius is parked with the "End War Now" sticker on it?
To think like a gopher...I must become a gopher. I'll take my chances. I'm not saying don't arm yourself. Go ahead. I'm just not part of that camp.
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I think all people should at least know the basic functions of guns just so that if they come cacross one they can properly unload it and make it for safe handling, especially a revolver and semi auto handgun.
I have a bunch of guns, legally of course, but at the end of the day, my favorite for shooting is the Ruger 10 22 .22. Small decent, easy rifle to go to the range with.
When I see the people who drive Toyota Prius and the other little go karts with all the Obama and End War stickers, it just screams "target practice" if I were a criminal.
On the other hand, a guy with an NRA sticker, pick up truck, I am not messing with that guy since he is either armed with a gun, or at least has a boot knife or club under the seat.
Liberals just dont get it.
It's not enought that I have locks on the doors? Now I have to have my wife raped and my house robbed b/c I didn't have a gun?
What if the narrative took a turn and the burglar, instead of stealing your vcr or dvd player, happened upon one of your many guns? Then he held you captive while his buddy had his way with your significant other? All b/c you have a gun collection.
I suppose it depends on who is authoring the narrative, doesn't it?
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I know this is antagonistic, but I wonder how many of the gun opposition would be willing to put a sign in their yard that says "Gun free residence and proud of it!"
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The point is that people need to access of the means to be able to protect themselves. For home defense, the best weapon is probably a pump shotgun backed up by a 357 revolver or 9mm handgun.
If the criminals think no one is armed than everyone will be target practice since they will know we are all defenseless.
If you were a mugger or robber - who are you robbing? The home where the owner has an NRA sticke on the back of the pick up or the house where the Toyota Prius is parked with the "End War Now" sticker on it?
Well. the Pruis with the 'End War Now' probably already gave all his money willingly to Obama to help his fellow man... So he's broke already....
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I know this is antagonistic, but I wonder how many of the gun opposition would be willing to put a sign in their yard that says "Gun free residence and proud of it!"
For god's sakes, haven't you people ever heard of deadbolt locks?
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For god's sakes, haven't you people ever heard of deadbolt locks?
LOL dead bolts dont stop somebody from getting into your house I KNOW I KNOW but you have a big scary dog which in reality wont stop shit but wait wait ill grab a bat or a knife which would at least put you on level ground with an intruder that is if the INTRUDER DOESNT HAVE A GUN.
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I haven't heard Obama chime in too much on the guns, but it seems to me that no one needs automatic or semi automatic assault rifles. If you can't kill a fucking deer with a pea shooter, you need more help than a gun can provide.
banning assault rifels only takes them out of the hands of people that follow the law.not the criminals (thats why there criminals)the law matters not to them.
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It's not enought that I have locks on the doors? Now I have to have my wife raped and my house robbed b/c I didn't have a gun?
What if the narrative took a turn and the burglar, instead of stealing your vcr or dvd player, happened upon one of your many guns? Then he held you captive while his buddy had his way with your significant other? All b/c you have a gun collection.
I suppose it depends on who is authoring the narrative, doesn't it?
I have a safe that is porbably more secure than the nuclear football where everything is stored. Other than the one for self defense, everything is under multiple locks, chains, and safeties.
I also taught my girlfriend the proper safe handling and function of a firearm.
It is irresponsible to have a gun in the house and not make sure everyone is well versed in the proper handling of the same.
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For god's sakes, haven't you people ever heard of deadbolt locks?
What if they break in through the window?
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What if they break in through the window?
An excellent point.
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I have a safe that is porbably more secure than the nuclear football where everything is stored. Other than the one for self defense, everything is under multiple locks, chains, and safeties.
I also taught my girlfriend the proper safe handling and function of a firearm.
It is irresponsible to have a gun in the house and not make sure everyone is well versed in the proper handling of the same.
exactly also its very irresponsible to not have a safe for your guns as well or like you said safties at least.
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In south FL, there is a problem with home invasions. Having a deadbolt doesn't matter if the guy just throws a brick thru your window and kicks his way in. You have about 3 seconds to "dial 911 and scream", or draw your gun and empty it into whatever shape comes thru your bedroom door.
Decker, you respect the right of people to protect themselves at home, don't you?
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In south FL, there is a problem with home invasions. Having a deadbolt doesn't matter if the guy just throws a brick thru your window and kicks his way in. You have about 3 seconds to "dial 911 and scream", or draw your gun and empty it into whatever shape comes thru your bedroom door.
Decker, you respect the right of people to protect themselves at home, don't you?
exactly and even if you happen to get a call of to 911 your still screwed b/c at best you gotta fend off the intruder for a few mins.
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exactly and even if you happen to get a call of to 911 your still screwed b/c at best you gotta fend off the intruder for a few mins.
I think 11 minutes is average police response time.
yesterday there was an elderly woman wandering my street, and I called 911 for her. They took maybe 10 minutes to arrive. I know a dried out alzheimer's patient might not be a major emergency, but you'd think they'd get here a little quicker. I can drive to the police station myself in 3 minutes, yet it took them 10 to get someone there.
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I think 11 minutes is average police response time.
yesterday there was an elderly woman wandering my street, and I called 911 for her. They took maybe 10 minutes to arrive. I know a dried out alzheimer's patient might not be a major emergency, but you'd think they'd get here a little quicker. I can drive to the police station myself in 3 minutes, yet it took them 10 to get someone there.
Ya its a little disturbing when you actually think about it
LOL in ten minutes the intruder could kill you steal some shit and run off.
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Ya its a little disturbing when you actually think about it
LOL in ten minutes the intruder could kill you steal some shit and run off.
Yep. And people still cling to their cell phones like it'll save their asses. You can scream into a home line and at least they have an address. What good does it do, when you're in traffic getting pistolwhipped and you call 911?
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I have both deadbolts and 2 big dogs.....I would prefer my shotgun. Buckshot the clear the hallway and put em down and then slugs to finish em off....fuck em. I don't live in a bad neighborhood and am not worried about this crap.
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In south FL, there is a problem with home invasions. Having a deadbolt doesn't matter if the guy just throws a brick thru your window and kicks his way in. You have about 3 seconds to "dial 911 and scream", or draw your gun and empty it into whatever shape comes thru your bedroom door.
Decker, you respect the right of people to protect themselves at home, don't you?
How many burglaries go down that way 240? How many people don't adequately fortify their homes with bars and locks?
I have no problem with other people living with what makes them comfortable. You want to be armed, be armed. If you feel that your house is safer with a gun then so be it.
The "door kick" method is being used by criminals more often to burglarize homes than other methods, but residents can take steps to help protect their homes, Reno Police say. http://www.cityofreno.com/Index.aspx?page=576&recordid=2338
A couple of deadbolts or a bar throught the door frame would make these types of burglaries not possible.
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How many burglaries go down that way 240? How many people don't adequately fortify their homes with bars and locks?
Do you have bars in every window in your home?
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We could what if this to death....the point is that Barry better not move on our guns nor require us to register ammo....My weapons are registered and legal but my ammo is bit sketchy. Anyway hands off Barry!!!!
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HUGO, you're a &^^&%^R^%$%%$$%&^%%^$!!!!!!!
I usually agree with most everything you say vis-a-vis politics.
It's remarkable how in synch our opinions are, ...but when you make a post that has me agreeing such posters like Cap, 333386 or Hereford, and disagreeing with Decker, well, ...it just makes me feel dirty. :'(
I'm off to take a shower.
The 2nd Amendment is number 2 for a reason. Freedom of speech and assembly is the 1st in the bill of rights for a reason.
Anyone who advocates for strong gun control really needs their heads examined and are no different than anyone who favors strong regulation fo the first amendment.
You liberal anti-gun people dont realize that the politicians want to ban guns because that is their easiet method of controlling the populace.
Banning guns really worked for the jews in germany didn't it???
Banning guns really works for the poor peasants in communist countries????
Thank God for the NRA.
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HUGO, you're a &^^&%^R^%$%%$$%&^%%^$!!!!!!!
I usually agree with most everything you say vis-a-vis politics.
It's remarkable how in synch our opinions are, ...but when you make a post that has me agreeing such posters like Cap, 333386 or Hereford, and disagreeing with Decker, well, ...it just makes me feel dirty. :'(
I'm off to take a shower.
So, you agree with the other 9 amendments in the Bill of rights but not Number 2???? How does that work?
You liberals are amazing, you invent "rights" that do not exist in the constitution, yet ignore those that are actually in writing.
The Second Amendment has many important functions in society beyond "Hunting" and if you took more than five minutes to review it, you would see what I was talking about.
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So, you agree with the other 9 amendments in the Bill of rights but not Number 2???? How does that work?
You liberals are amazing, you invent "rights" that do not exist in the constitution, yet ignore those that are actually in writing.
The Second Amendment has many important functions in society beyond "Hunting" and if you took more than five minutes to review it, you would see what I was talking about.
LOL, you might want to re-read Jag's post. We're both stongly for the 2nd. enjoy :)
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Do you have bars in every window in your home?
Only the basement windows. I'd pop a bowl of corn and laugh at any burlar trying to kick in my casement windows on the first floor.
That shit only happens in the movies.
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HUGO, you're a &^^&%^R^%$%%$$%&^%%^$!!!!!!!
I usually agree with most everything you say vis-a-vis politics.
It's remarkable how in synch our opinions are, ...but when you make a post that has me agreeing such posters like Cap, 333386 or Hereford, and disagreeing with Decker, well, ...it just makes me feel dirty. :'(
I'm off to take a shower.
Relax my nubian princess. I don't begrudge anyone the right to arm themselves within reason. I don't do it as a matter of personal choice.
I'm merely pointing out that many of these rape/robbery scenarios profligated by gun proponents are straw arguments. Kicking down an oak door? Not likely. Kicking in double pained casement windows? I don't think so. Fortified homes are safe homes.
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LOL, you might want to re-read Jag's post. We're both stongly for the 2nd. enjoy :)
My mistake.
However, I dont think just because we disagree on most issues that we have to disagree on all issues.
To me, the 2nd Amendment is as important as all the others.
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Relax my nubian princess. I don't begrudge anyone the right to arm themselves within reason. I don't do it as a matter of personal choice.
I'm merely pointing out that many of these rape/robbery scenarios profligated by gun proponents are straw arguments. Kicking down an oak door? Not likely. Kicking in double pained casement windows? I don't think so. Fortified homes are safe homes.
You can't be 'fortified' when you're sitting on your porch. My brother wasn't 'fortified' when two pricks came thru the front door of his pharmacy with berettas.
It's a fantasy to think you can just lock your door and be safe. You have to go grocery shopping. You have to take walks. You are a rich lawyer, right Decker? You probably don't go to the shitty parts of town much. If you did, you'd understand that you enjoy the day a lot more knowing you aren't dependent on luck and a cell phone to save your skin should someone get froggy and want your car.
If YOU happened to be the unlucky schmuck who was robbed at gunpoint by some A-hol down on his luck, you wouldn't call it "rape/robbery scenarios profligated by gun proponents". There are REAL VICTIMS to these crimes. My brother would be in the cold fcking earth right now if he didn't have a gun to defend himself. Was it a 'straw argument' when those two fvckers (one of whom already had warrants for attempted murder of a police officer) came thru his door and pointed 9mm's at him?
You live in a safe place. Many of us do not.
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You can't be 'fortified' when you're sitting on your porch. My brother wasn't 'fortified' when two pricks came thru the front door of his pharmacy with berettas.
It's a fantasy to think you can just lock your door and be safe. You have to go grocery shopping. You have to take walks. You are a rich lawyer, right Decker? You probably don't go to the shitty parts of town much. If you did, you'd understand that you enjoy the day a lot more knowing you aren't dependent on luck and a cell phone to save your skin should someone get froggy and want your car.
If YOU happened to be the unlucky schmuck who was robbed at gunpoint by some A-hol down on his luck, you wouldn't call it "rape/robbery scenarios profligated by gun proponents". There are REAL VICTIMS to these crimes. My brother would be in the cold fcking earth right now if he didn't have a gun to defend himself. Was it a 'straw argument' when those two fvckers (one of whom already had warrants for attempted murder of a police officer) came thru his door and pointed 9mm's at him?
You live in a safe place. Many of us do not.
Damn right!
I live in the Bronx/Yonkers area and remember the early 90's under Dinkins very well. It was insane.
If anything, I think more citizens need to be trained in self defense and armed to the teeth.
Check this story out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/nyregion/11meals.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
This is perfect case of why gun control does not work and only disarms law abiding citizens.
I was sick to my stomach after reading this article and thought if only this poor slob had a weapon maybe he would have had a chance. Not a guranty of safety, but at least a fighting chance.
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You can't be 'fortified' when you're sitting on your porch. My brother wasn't 'fortified' when two pricks came thru the front door of his pharmacy with berettas.
That's not burglary. That's not a home. That's not what we were talking about. I'm sorry you're brother went through that. That's horrible.
It's a fantasy to think you can just lock your door and be safe. You have to go grocery shopping. You have to take walks. You are a rich lawyer, right Decker? You probably don't go to the shitty parts of town much. If you did, you'd understand that you enjoy the day a lot more knowing you aren't dependent on luck and a cell phone to save your skin should someone get froggy and want your car.
I'm not rich. Even under Obama's standard. I used to live on the south side of Chicago, the baddest part of town, and I didn't carry a gun. I walked the streets in the morning hours without fear. I traveled the EL Train at all hours without fear. But that's me. And I didn't own a cell phone until my new employer bought one for me 2 months ago.
I don't live in an Ivory tower. I grew up in poverty and that was the main reason I could afford education. So please, don't think I have no concept of awful living conditions. Odds are, I grew up and lived in some areas that would have you hugging your guns 24/7.
If YOU happened to be the unlucky schmuck who was robbed at gunpoint by some A-hol down on his luck, you wouldn't call it "rape/robbery scenarios profligated by gun proponents". There are REAL VICTIMS to these crimes. My brother would be in the cold fcking earth right now if he didn't have a gun to defend himself. Was it a 'straw argument' when those two fvckers (one of whom already had warrants for attempted murder of a police officer) came thru his door and pointed 9mm's at him?
Why the vitriol 240? I believe I've stated about half a dozen times that I think you or anyone else has the right to arm themselves within reason.
If you think I'm anti-gun, then you've been misreading my posts.
You live in a safe place. Many of us do not.
I live in a safe place now b/c I worked my ass off to earn it. I don't apologize for that. I don't have to.
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That's not burglary. That's not a home. That's not what we were talking about. I'm sorry you're brother went through that. That's horrible.
I'm not rich. Even under Obama's standard. I used to live on the south side of Chicago, the baddest part of town, and I didn't carry a gun. I walked the streets in the morning hours without fear. I traveled the EL Train at all hours without fear. But that's me. And I didn't own a cell phone until my new employer bought one for me 2 months ago.
I don't live in an Ivory tower. I grew up in poverty and that was the main reason I could afford education. So please, don't think I have no concept of awful living conditions. Odds are, I grew up and lived in some areas that would have you hugging your guns 24/7.
Why the vitriol 240. I believe I've stated about half a dozen times that I think you or anyone else has the right to arm themselves within reason.
If you think I'm anti-gun, then you've been misreading my posts.
I live in a safe place now b/c I worked my ass off to earn it. I don't apologize for that. I don't have to.
Read the story I posted from the NYT that happened this week. This is a real story, not a hypothetical.
This is why I am 100% of full carry for everyone who wants to be trained and go through background check.
Thugs will think twice before trying to take someone out.
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sorry, i misread your post decker
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sorry, i misread your post decker
Lets see Decker spin the article I posted from yesterday in the NYT.
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Lets see Decker spin the article I posted from yesterday in the NYT.
What the hell is the matter with you? We were talking about burglary and you allude to some guy shot on the job with your NY Times story.
If you want guns in your pockets, hanging from your nuts or in your hat, that's up to you.
You are so touchy about this topic that you're just looking for a fight.
For the millionth time, if you want to carry a gun it's your business. I don't carry one b/c that's my business. Where's the controversy?
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sorry, i misread your post decker
Sorry I'm such a hardroll. I'm trying to cut back on coffee....and now, all this happened.
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What the hell is the matter with you? We were talking about burglary and you allude to some guy shot on the job with your NY Times story.
If you want guns in your pockets, hanging from your nuts or in your hat, that's up to you.
You are so touchy about this topic that you're just looking for a fight.
For the millionth time, if you want to carry a gun it's your business. I don't carry one b/c that's my business. Where's the controversy?
You have stated many times that you don't understand peoples' passion on this issue.
Unless you live in an area like Brooklyn, you don't understand the feeling of being vulnerable to these savages by the govt telling you that you cant defend yourself with the adequate means of protection.
This poor slob was executed by this barbarian, and maybe, just maybe, if we were armed, he would have had a chance.
The real issue, is that the govt prohibits you from defending yourself with a gun, its not a choice that is afforded to you in many areas.
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You have stated many times that you don't understand peoples' passion on this issue.
Unless you live in an area like Brooklyn, you don't understand the feeling of being vulnerable to these savages by the govt telling you that you cant defend yourself with the adequate means of protection.
This poor slob was executed by this barbarian, and maybe, just maybe, if we were armed, he would have had a chance.
The real issue, is that the govt prohibits you from defending yourself with a gun, its not a choice that is afforded to you in many areas.
Yup.
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Yup.
I got a deal to make with you.
I will favor your right to choose to have an abortion or not if you will favor my right to choose to carry a gun to defend myself.
Deal????
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I got a deal to make with you.
I will favor your right to choose to have an abortion or not if you will favor my right to choose to carry a gun to defend myself.
Deal????
I will not have the need for either an abortion or a gun in my lifetime. What do I stand to gain by your offer?
Please point out where I've called for the repeal of gun rights completely?
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I will not have the need for either an abortion or a gun in my lifetime. What do I stand to gain by your offer?
Please point out where I've called for the repeal of gun rights completely?
How can you say that?
Go on youtube and look at the Koreans who defended themselves in 1992 from the savages in Los Angeles during the riots.
If they had your attitude, the animals would have burned their businesses to the ground. Just the existence of the rifles and handguns kept the hoardes at bay.
Why do you think that will never happen in your little leave it to beaver lifestyle?
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My mistake.
However, I dont think just because we disagree on most issues that we have to disagree on all issues.
To me, the 2nd Amendment is as important as all the others.
I'm cool with that.
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I'm cool with that.
Serious. i have no idea why liberals and conservatives feel the need to disagree on everything. I disagree on a lot of things with you, but not everything.
I am appalled at GWB and the GOP since 2004. However, probably for different reasons than yourself.
GWB is a statist more than anything. I believe Obama is as well.
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the fact of the matter is decker if someone wants in your house they will get in regardless of oak door and whatever type of window you have. Ok so you have taken precautions to limit the chance but that doesnt mean it cant or wont happen.
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How can you say that?
Go on youtube and look at the Koreans who defended themselves in 1992 from the savages in Los Angeles during the riots.
If they had your attitude, the animals would have burned their businesses to the ground. Just the existence of the rifles and handguns kept the hoardes at bay.
Why do you think that will never happen in your little leave it to beaver lifestyle?
B/c I'm not a paranoid shut-in.
If you want to arm yourself. Go ahead. Why are you going on and on and on and on and on and on about the right to bear arms when no one is disagreeing with you?
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the fact of the matter is decker if someone wants in your house they will get in regardless of oak door and whatever type of window you have. Ok so you have taken precautions to limit the chance but that doesnt mean it cant or wont happen.
Never say never, right?
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B/c I'm not a paranoid shut-in.
If you want to arm yourself. Go ahead. Why are you going on and on and on and on and on and on about the right to bear arms when no one is disagreeing with you?
"A paranoid shut in"????? Whatever that is supposed to mean, the article I posted to you, the 1992 riots example I gave, are real life examples of why gun control does not work.
The article was based on the fact that Obama has made it clear he is not in favor of the second amendment and people are reacting accordingly.
I hope Obama tries to push an anti-gun agenda. It will do for him the same thing the 1994 ban did for Clinton.
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I hope Obama tries to push an anti-gun agenda. It will do for him the same thing the 1994 ban did for Clinton.
100% correct - he'd lose congress immediately. While I was no fan of Mccain's irresponsible spending and lack of independence from Bush, I would carry signs all day for republican congressional candidate if Obama tried banning guns.
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100% correct - he'd lose congress immediately. While I was no fan of Mccain's irresponsible spending and lack of independence from Bush, I would carry signs all day for republican congressional candidate if Obama tried banning guns.
It's political suicide to even raise the topic.
Unfortunately Obama's detractors are at a loss for substantive critiques of the man's policies so they invent bullshit and run with it.
We'd better get used to it.
It's only a matter of time before it devolves into, oh, I don't know, some white broad going on the national liberal media and accuse Obama of raping her.
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It's political suicide to even raise the topic.
Unfortunately Obama's detractors are at a loss for substantive critiques of the man's policies so they invent bullshit and run with it.
We'd better get used to it.
It's only a matter of time before it devolves into, oh, I don't know, some white broad going on the national liberal media and accuse Obama of raping her.
Two things you shouldnt even mess with are the first two ammendments. Freedom of religion and rights to bear arms.
We have good gun laws. Fund and enforce them.
The man has no policies, no record so this is all just conjecture at this point. Time will tell.
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It's political suicide to even raise the topic.
Unfortunately Obama's detractors are at a loss for substantive critiques of the man's policies so they invent bullshit and run with it.
We'd better get used to it.
It's only a matter of time before it devolves into, oh, I don't know, some white broad going on the national liberal media and accuse Obama of raping her.
No it is not BS.
His "plans" were listed on his "change.gov" website before he realized the mistake and took it down.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks that the Democrats are going to come after the guns... If they do, fuck 'em... Just buy illegal... That's what the criminals will do anyway.
The 2nd amendment should be preserved at all costs.
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100% correct - he'd lose congress immediately. While I was no fan of Mccain's irresponsible spending and lack of independence from Bush, I would carry signs all day for republican congressional candidate if Obama tried banning guns.
As would I...
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Two things you shouldnt even mess with are the first two ammendments. Freedom of religion and rights to bear arms.
We have good gun laws. Fund and enforce them.
The man has no policies, no record so this is all just conjecture at this point. Time will tell.
absolutely wrong he is anti gun
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Im not sure of the fact check on the second video but im sure some of its spun like what he voted on and what else was included in those bills but listen to the whole thing and you will get a clear idea of where he stood and where he now claims to stand. Im sorry if i dont buy his new found love for guns as he shifted on just about everything once he got his parties nomination.
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He wants our guns.
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Decker I'm guessing ur fucked and u don't have one of these. What are u going to do if they come for u...I don't remember a friggen deadbolt stopping zombies do u....yep ur lunch.
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hell yea I could not imagine not owning a gun.And the only way there getin mine is to pry it outa my cold dead hand.
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You have to be the most ignorant person on these forums with regards to firearms.
If all hell broke loose, you would not be able to get a gun since they would all be sold out. Additionally, like I said to you earlier, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting.
The "assault weapons" ban is a liberal lie like almost everything else.
The fact of the matter is that "assault weapons" are used in like .03% of gun related crimes.
Small, cheap, concealable, handguns are used almost exclusively in gun related crimes by criminals.
The 2nd Amendment is number 2 for a reason. Freedom of speech and assembly is the 1st in the bill of rights for a reason.
Anyone who advocates for strong gun control really needs their heads examined and are no different than anyone who favors strong regulation fo the first amendment.
You liberal anti-gun people dont realize that the politicians want to ban guns because that is their easiet method of controlling the populace.
Banning guns really worked for the jews in germany didn't it???
Banning guns really works for the poor peasants in communist countries????
Thank God for the NRA.
Great post!
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How can you say that?
Go on youtube and look at the Koreans who defended themselves in 1992 from the savages in Los Angeles during the riots.
If they had your attitude, the animals would have burned their businesses to the ground. Just the existence of the rifles and handguns kept the hoardes at bay.
Why do you think that will never happen in your little leave it to beaver lifestyle?
Yep!
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hell yea I could not imagine not owning a gun.And the only way there getin mine is to pry it outa my cold dead hand.
You sure are tough, Mr.
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Decker I'm guessing ur fucked and u don't have one of these. What are u going to do if they come for u...I don't remember a friggen deadbolt stopping zombies do u....yep ur lunch.
I guess I'm a dead man then. I did have a shotgun and I'll tell you, when those zombies had me cornered in my foyer, I shot the shit out of them.
Then Chris Redfield showed up and gave me some more ammo b/c those zombies just don't quit. I will not become one of the undead!
That's where I draw the fucking line!
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No it is not BS.
His "plans" were listed on his "change.gov" website before he realized the mistake and took it down.
Forgive me but you're overblown protests smack of mild paranoia.
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Forgive me but you're overblown protests smack of mild paranoia.
absolutely wrong he is anti gun
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Im not sure of the fact check on the second video but im sure some of its spun like what he voted on and what else was included in those bills but listen to the whole thing and you will get a clear idea of where he stood and where he now claims to stand. Im sorry if i dont buy his new found love for guns as he shifted on just about everything once he got his parties nomination.
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Would you paraphrase please. I can't watch your video proof.
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Forgive me but you're overblown protests smack of mild paranoia.
I'm sorry, you just dont want to believe your messiah has these plans in place already. His "change.gov" site was scrubbed and other thigs went missing as well as his brown shirt plan for mandatory community service and civilian defense forces.
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I'm sorry, you just dont want to believe your messiah has these plans in place already. His "change.gov" site was scrubbed and other thigs went missing as well as his brown shirt plan for mandatory community service and civilian defense forces.
Listen to yourself.
I suppose we'll just have to cross these legislative bridges when they come up.
Which they won't.
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Listen to yourself.
I suppose we'll just have to cross these legislative bridges when they come up.
Which they won't.
My honest belief is that the Pelosi Reid Congress is going to force Obama to sign very liberal and controversial legislation. While Obama himself may want to govern from the center, I think Pelosi and Reid are not going to let that happen and put all sorts of nonsense at his desk, including a huge gun bill that makes the 1994 bill look like nothing.
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My honest belief is that the Pelosi Reid Congress is going to force Obama to sign very liberal and controversial legislation. While Obama himself may want to govern from the center, I think Pelosi and Reid are not going to let that happen and put all sorts of nonsense at his desk, including a huge gun bill that makes the 1994 bill look like nothing.
Pelosi and Reid are disappointments. They don't have the stones to push Obama in any direction. God I hate spineless politicians.
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Pelosi and Reid are disappointments. They don't have the stones to push Obama in any direction. God I hate spineless politicians.
Pelosi is another liberal hag married to a multimillionaire who employs illegals at her ranch.
Reid is a hack Vegas politician who made $$$$ on weird real estate deals.
That is why I am in favor of strict term limits.
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Pelosi is another liberal hag married to a multimillionaire who employs illegals at her ranch.
Reid is a hack Vegas politician who made $$$$ on weird real estate deals.
That is why I am in favor of strict term limits.
We have term limits, they are called elections. We want politicians that are seasoned, i.e., get better with experience. Term limits kill that possiblity.
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We have term limits, they are called elections. We want politicians that are seasoned, i.e., get better with experience. Term limits kill that possiblity.
The power of incumbancy makes it almost impossible for challengers to really mount an effective campaign.
I am in favor of strict term limits for congress. If the president is term limited, so should congress be, even if it requires an amendment.
The current hacks in congress, like McCain, Pelosi, Reid, Specter, Byrd, Kennedy, etc, really need to make way for new people in there.
The original intent was citizen legislators who would serve and go home. What we have now are hacks on both sides who do the bidding for everyone other than those who pay their salaries.
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The power of incumbancy makes it almost impossible for challengers to really mount an effective campaign.
Not really... major overturning in congress in 08, with a lot of long-time greats being shown the door.
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Would you paraphrase please. I can't watch your video proof.
LOL he has shown himself to be extremely anti gun...voted against hand guns, was in favor of a national hand gun ban, restrictions on gun owners and gun sellers. He always says he wants "common sense" gun laws but never went into detail I WONDER WHY? LOL you ppl who believe he wont go after guns or introduce more gun control are not informed on the subject.
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Not really... major overturning in congress in 08, with a lot of long-time greats being shown the door.
Solely because of Obama coattails.
I also think the gerrymandering of districts has had a terrible impact on the turnover in congress. I live in NYC and there are districts that will FOREVER be democrat solely due to gerrymandering. Charlie Rangle gets 98% of the vote every time. That is not healthy.
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The power of incumbancy makes it almost impossible for challengers to really mount an effective campaign.
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That goes to the heart of the problem in a way: campaign financing. Plus the problem of the people decrying pork barrel spending yet re-electing politicians who bring home the bacon.
It's a complex issue.