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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: chris_mason on November 11, 2008, 08:31:33 PM
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This week: www.atlargenutrition.com
If you haven't tried us yet, now is a great time. If you already use our products, stock up!
Chris
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BUMP!
not a single person on this board that has tried this stuff has ever said one bad thing about it..i think that's a first for any product on getbig. For those of you who haven't tried it.. I'd recommend "results" creatine supplement. Shit's amazing!
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yes creatine is groundbreaking stuff
bump for creatine!!!
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yes creatine is groundbreaking stuff
bump for creatine!!!
it's not so much the creatine that makes the product outstanding...it's the way it, and a few other ingredients in the product are delivered and allow for muscle growth and stimulus from NUMEROUS angles. Literally 2 weeks and you'll notice a difference with this product.
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it's not so much the creatine that makes the product outstanding...it's the way it, and a few other ingredients in the product are delivered and allow for muscle growth and stimulus from NUMEROUS angles. Literally 2 weeks and you'll notice a difference with this product.
Oh yeah... I forgot... the ingredients!
Bump for creatine with other ingredients !!!
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yes creatine is groundbreaking stuff
bump for creatine!!!
hahahhaa, yes i mean "at larges" creatine has to be a million times better than all those other supplement companies, right? ::)
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hahahhaa, yes i mean "at larges" creatine has to be a million times better than all those other supplement companies, right? ::)
added ergogenics ::)
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hahahhaa, yes i mean "at larges" creatine has to be a million times better than all those other supplement companies, right? ::)
which suprises me..with your lifting background that you've never tried anything they offer have you? ??? I mean all kidding aside when you're not fucking around you actually know what you're talking about from time to time ;D
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which suprises me..with your lifting background that you've never tried anything they offer have you? ??? I mean all kidding aside when you're not fucking around you actually know what you're talking about from time to time ;D
come on man, do you REALLY believe that Chris' creatine is vastly better than anyone else's, speak honestly?
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come on man, do you REALLY believe that Chris' creatine is vastly better than anyone else's, speak honestly?
absolutely...
i've tried mono.. ethyl ester.. muscletech' shit, etc. and didn't like any of them and actually gave up on creatine for awhile and preached it worthless. I had numerous people on the ALN roster tell me they actually USE it and like it like chuck v and big donnie so I gave it a whirl. I was VERY impressed. I didn't notice it for a few weeks time but once i was one it for about two weeks i noticed a different "feel" when i took it before workouts versus when I didn't. I get this "dulled out" feeling where I don't feel fatigued at all. I do however notice it when I put an order in late and don't have it for about a weeks time. Recovery both between sets and in general is a big difference to me.
from a muscle physio standpoint.. creatine is a smart move.. and creatine with other proven ingredients makes it that much better. Sure regular creatine mono could work with some grape juice but I've been there and didn't notice shit. I've said it before.. i'd damn near recommend results above protien nowadays
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Quaker, he is talking about RESULTS and it is not merely a creatine product. It contains creatine, beta alanine, and HMB with 80g of dextrose per serving. All of the dosing is at lab proven levels. The combination of ingredients provides for both additive and synergistic effects.
So no, our creatine is Creapure(TM) which is one of the best monohydrates available, but it alone is not significantly better than some other creatines. RESULTS IS significantly better than ANY creatine only product. FACT.
Chris
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Quaker, he is talking about RESULTS and it is not merely a creatine product. It contains creatine, beta alanine, and HMB with 80g of dextrose per serving. All of the dosing is at lab proven levels. The combination of ingredients provides for both additive and synergistic effects.
So no, our creatine is Creapure(TM) which is one of the best monohydrates available, but it alone is not significantly better than some other creatines. RESULTS IS significantly better than ANY creatine only product. FACT.
Chris
post the research supporting your products and dosages etc...
what do you mean by lab proven? do you mean in vivo? most research with supplementation is carried on outside the lab. Looks like a decent product without alot of filler ingredients.
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"RESULTS IS significantly better than ANY creatine only product. FACT." this is quite a bold statement...
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Quaker, he is talking about RESULTS and it is not merely a creatine product. It contains creatine, beta alanine, and HMB with 80g of dextrose per serving. All of the dosing is at lab proven levels. The combination of ingredients provides for both additive and synergistic effects.
So no, our creatine is Creapure(TM) which is one of the best monohydrates available, but it alone is not significantly better than some other creatines. RESULTS IS significantly better than ANY creatine only product. FACT.
Chris
You should make this without the dextrose.
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bump for chris's response wrt his company claims.
Could you post the research on your supplement or whatever you have/had to make the decisions?
i would appreciate it.
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I'd appreciate it too, there's been hundreds of Creatine mixes over the years, for this to be better than them all it must be quite the formula...
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ive looked over at large products and they are legit and dont put any fillers or useless nonsense or underdose or overdose.
quality well thought products
my only beef= the price
i can get the same thing other places for cheaper, just without a name brand and fancy label
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post the research supporting your products and dosages etc...
what do you mean by lab proven? do you mean in vivo? most research with supplementation is carried on outside the lab. Looks like a decent product without alot of filler ingredients.
Look, not to pick on you, but if you are going to make a statement at least have it make some modicum of sense... What are you talking about "filler" ingredients? Lol, that has to be the farthest thing from the truth possible. The product has 4 TOTAL INGREDIENTS. Yes, 4. ALL of them are in the product for a specific purpose.
As for the research, simply do a GOOGLE search or go to Pubmed.com and search them. You will find plenty of information.
OR, you can simply go the the product page and notice 2 studies referenced. You can then GOOGLE those studies as just a couple of examples. Here is the page: http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=23
Yes, I am speaking of research with real live humans. Not rats. Not mice. Not in a dish.
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I'd appreciate it too, there's been hundreds of Creatine mixes over the years, for this to be better than them all it must be quite the formula...
Bluto, spend a few minutes online doing something other than posting utter nonsense on Getbig and do the research I mentioned above. Unless you are a fool, or have a reading comprehension problem, you will agree it is a solid product.
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Bluto, spend a few minutes online doing something other than posting utter nonsense on Getbig and do the research I mentioned above. Unless you are a fool, or have a reading comprehension problem, you will agree it is a solid product.
Maybe youre the one with a reading comprehension problem? Necrosis said: "Looks like a decent product without alot of filler ingredients."
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Maybe youre the one with a reading comprehension problem? Necrosis said: "Looks like a decent product without alot of filler ingredients."
i was wondering what he was talking about. Usually dreatine mixes have all kinds of shit like nano vapor with its 106 ingredient propriety blend.
dont worry about picking on me chris, im aware of the studies on the individual ingredients of your product, they are decent no doubt about it. Creatine has mountains of research, beta alanine has research also.
thanks.
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1: J Strength Cond Res. 2007 May;21(2):419-23.Links
Effects of six weeks of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) and HMB/creatine supplementation on strength, power, and anthropometry of highly trained athletes.O'Connor DM, Crowe MJ.
Faculty of Education, The University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia. d.o'connor@edfac.usyd.edu.au
This study investigated the effects of 6 weeks of dietary supplementation of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) and HMB combined with creatine monohydrate (HMBCr) on the muscular strength and endurance, leg power, and anthropometry of elite male rugby league players. The subjects were divided into a control group (n = 8), a HMB group (n = 11; 3 g.d(-1)) or a HMBCr group (n = 11; 12 g.d(-1) with 3 g HMB, 3 g Cr, 6 g carbohydrates). Three repetition maximum lifts on bench press, deadlifts, prone row, and shoulder press, maximum chin-up repetitions, 10-second maximal cycle test, body mass, girths, and sum of skinfolds were assessed pre- and postsupplementation. Statistical analysis revealed no effect of HMB or HMBCr on any parameter compared with presupplementation measures or the control group. HMB and HMBCr were concluded to have no ergogenic effect on muscular strength and endurance, leg power, or anthropometry when taken orally by highly trained male athletes over 6 weeks.
1: J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2003 Mar;43(1):64-8.Links
Effects of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate and creatine monohydrate supplementation on the aerobic and anaerobic capacity of highly trained athletes.O'Connor DM, Crowe MJ.
Institute of Sport and Exercise Science, James Cook University, Australia.
AIM: The aim of this study was to investigate the effects of 6 wks oral supplementation of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) and a mixture of HMB and creatine monohydrate (HMBCr) on aerobic and anaerobic capacity in highly trained athletes. It was hypothesised that HMB and HMBCr would have positive effects on aerobic and anaerobic power. METHODS: A prospective study involving a repeated measures design was utilised where subjects underwent testing prior to, and immediately after, a 6 wks supplementation period. Elite, male rugby league players (n=27) were divided into 3 groups, a control group (n=6), a HMB group (3 g/d; n=10) and a HMBCr group (3 g/d HMB + 3 g/d Cr; n=11). Testing involved a multistage fitness test to determine aerobic power and a 60 sec maximal cycle test to determine anaerobic capacity. Peak power, total work and peak lactate levels were measured in the anaerobic cycle test. RESULTS: Two-way repeated measures ANOVA revealed no effect of HMB or HMBCr on any of the measured parameters in comparison to the control group. CONCLUSION: Aerobic and anaerobic ability of highly trained male athletes is unaffected by 6 wks oral supplementation with HMB or a combination of HMB and creatine monohydrate.
1: J Strength Cond Res. 2004 Nov;18(4):747-52.Links
Effects of beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate on power performance and indices of muscle damage and stress during high-intensity training.Hoffman JR, Cooper J, Wendell M, Im J, Kang J.
Department of Health and Exercise Science, The College of New Jersey, Ewing, NJ 08628, USA. Hoffmanj@tcnj.edu
Twenty-six members of a collegiate football team were randomly assigned to either a supplement (S) (3 g of beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate [HMB] per day) or placebo (P) group. Testing occurred before (PRE) and at the end of 10 days of preseason football training camp (POST). During each testing session, subjects performed an anaerobic power test, and blood samples were obtained for testosterone, cortisol, creatine kinase, and myoglobin analysis. No differences in anaerobic power were seen between PRE and POST in either group. Cortisol concentrations were significantly decreased from PRE (333 +/- 81 nmol.L(-1)) to POST (246 +/- 79 nmol.L(-1)), and a sixfold increase was seen in creatine kinase concentrations at POST. However, no significant differences between the groups were seen. No significant time or group effects were observed in testosterone or myoglobin concentrations. Results suggest that short duration HMB supplementation does not provide any ergogenic benefit in collegiate football players during preseason training camp
1: Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Dec;32(12):2109-15. Links
Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate ingestion, Part I: effects on strength and fat free mass.Gallagher PM, Carrithers JA, Godard MP, Schulze KE, Trappe SW.
Human Performance Laboratory, Ball State University, Muncie, IN 47306, USA.
PURPOSE: The purpose of this investigation was 1) to determine whether HMB supplementation results in an increase in strength and FFM during 8 wk of resistance training and 2) determine whether a higher dose of HMB provides additional benefits. METHODS: Thirty-seven, untrained, college-aged men were assigned to one of three groups: 0, 38, or 76 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) of HMB (approximately equal to 3 and 6 g x d(-1), respectively). Resistance training consisted of 10 different exercises performed 3 d x wk(-1) for 8 wk at 80% of 1-repetition maximum (1RM). The 1RM was reevaluated every 2 wk with workloads adjusted accordingly. RESULTS: No differences were observed in 1RM strength among the groups at any time. However, the 38 mg x kg (-1) x d(-1) group showed a greater increase in peak isometric torque than the 0 or 76 mg.kg(-1) x d(-1) groups (P < 0.05). The 76 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) group had a greater increase in peak isokinetic torque than the 0 or 38 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) groups at 2.1, -3.15, and -4.2 rad x s(-1) (P < 0.05). Plasma creatine phosphokinase (CPK) activity was greater for the 0 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) versus the 38 or 76 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) groups at 48 h after the initial training bout (P < 0.05). In addition, no differences were observed in body fat between the three groups. However, the 38 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1) group exhibited a greater increase in FFM (P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Although the IRM strength gains were not significantly different, HMB supplementation appears to increase peak isometric and various isokinetic torque values, and increase FFM and decrease plasma CPK activity. Lastly, it appears that higher doses of HMB (i.e., > 38 mg x kg(-1) x d(-1)) do not promote strength or FFM gains.
Chris's study for using HMB and creatine combo in his product
Nutrition. 2001 Jul-Aug;17(7-8):558-66. Links
Creatine and beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) additively increase lean body mass and muscle strength during a weight-training program.Jówko E, Ostaszewski P, Jank M, Sacharuk J, Zieniewicz A, Wilczak J, Nissen S.
Institute of Sport and Physical Education, Biala Podlaska, Academy of Physical Education, Warsaw, Poland.
We investigated whether creatine (CR) and beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) act by similar or different mechanisms to increase lean body mass (LBM) and strength in humans undergoing progressive resistance-exercise training. In this double-blind, 3-wk study, subjects (n = 40) were randomized to placebo (PL; n = 10), CR (20.0 g of CR/d for 7 d followed by 10.0 g of CR/d for 14 d; n = 11), HMB (3.0 g of HMB/d; n = 9), or CR-and-HMB (CR/HMB; n = 10) treatment groups. Over 3 wk, all subjects gained LBM, which was assessed by bioelectrical impedance analysis. The CR, HMB and CR/HMB groups gained 0.92, 0.39, and 1.54 kg of LBM, respectively, over the placebo group, with a significant effect with CR supplementation (main effect P = 0.05) and a trend with HMB supplementation (main effect P = 0.08). These effects were additive because there was no interaction between CR and HMB (CR x HMB main effect P = 0.73). Across all exercises, HMB, CR, and CR/HMB supplementation caused accumulative strength increases of 37.5, 39.1, and 51.9 kg, respectively, above the placebo group. The exercise-induced rise in serum creatine phosphokinase was markedly suppressed with HMB supplementation (main effect P = 0.01). However, CR supplementation antagonized the HMB effects on serum creatine phosphokinase (CR x HMB interactive effect P = 0.04). Urine urea nitrogen and plasma urea were not affected by CR supplementation, but both decreased with HMB supplementation (HMB effect P < 0.05), suggesting a nitrogen-sparing effect. In summary, CR and HMB can increase LBM and strength, and the effects are additive. Although not definitive, these results suggest that CR and HMB act by different mechanisms.
1: J Appl Physiol. 1996 Nov;81(5):2095-104. Links
Effect of leucine metabolite beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate on muscle metabolism during resistance-exercise training.Nissen S, Sharp R, Ray M, Rathmacher JA, Rice D, Fuller JC Jr, Connelly AS, Abumrad N.
Iowa State University, Ames 50011, USA.
The effects of dietary supplementation with the leucine metabolite beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) were studied in two experiments. In study 1, subjects (n = 41) were randomized among three levels of HMB supplementation (0, 1.5 or 3.0 g HMB/day) and two protein levels (normal, 117 g/day, or high, 175 g/day) and weight lifted for 1.5 h 3 days/wk for 3 wk. In study 2, subjects (n = 28) were fed either 0 or 3.0 g HMB/day and weight lifted for 2-3 h 6 days/wk for 7 wk. In study 1, HMB significantly decreased the exercise-induced rise in muscle proteolysis as measured by urine 3-methylhistidine during the first 2 wk of exercise (linear decrease, P < 0.04). Plasma creatine phosphokinase was also decreased with HMB supplementation (week 3, linear decrease, P < 0.05). Weight lifted was increased by HMB supplementation when compared with the unsupplemented subjects during each week of the study (linear increase, P < 0.02). In study 2, fat-free mass was significantly increased in HMB-supplemented subjects compared with the unsupplemented group at 2 and 4-6 wk of the study (P < 0.05). In conclusion, supplementation with either 1.5 or 3 g HMB/day can partly prevent exercise-induced proteolysis and/or muscle damage and result in larger gains in muscle function associated with resistance training.
1: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2007 Feb;17(1):56-69.Links
Effects of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate on aerobic-performance components and body composition in college students.Lamboley CR, Royer D, Dionne IJ.
Faculty of Physical Education and Sports, University of Sherbrooke, Sherbrooke, QC J1K 2R1 Canada.
The aim of this study was to determine the effects of oral beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) supplementation (3 g/d) on selected components of aerobic performance and body composition of active college students. Subjects were randomly assigned to either an HMB (n=8) or a placebo (PLA) group (n=8) for a 5-wk supplementation period during which they underwent interval training 3 times a week on a treadmill. Aerobic-performance components were measured using a respiratory-gas analyzer. Body composition was determined using dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry. After the intervention, there were significant differences (P<0.05) between the 2 groups in gains in maximal oxygen consumption (+8.4% for PLA and +13.4% for HMB). Regarding body composition, there were no significant differences. The authors concluded that HMB supplementation positively affects selected components of aerobic performance in active college students.
1: Curr Sports Med Rep. 2005 Aug;4(4):220-3.Links
Beta-hydroxy-beta-Methylbutyrate and its use in athletics.Palisin T, Stacy JJ.
Department of Family and Sports Medicine, University of South Carolina, 3209 Colonial Drive, Columbia, SC 29223, USA.
Nutritional supplements are widely used by patients and athletes around the world for many different reasons. Many companies are thriving on this billion-dollar industry with little proof that these substances do what they are reported or suggested to do. Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) is a relatively new supplement on the ergogenic landscape. Studies of HMB supplementation have shown minimal gains in strength and lean body mass in specific populations, mainly untrained athletes and patients with wasting syndromes. HMB use in those athletes involved in regular high-intensity exercise has not been proven to be beneficial when multiple variables are evaluated. Unlike other ergogenics, with HMB no adverse events have been reported in association with short-term use. Despite these findings, HMB cannot be recommended as an ergogenic until further studies in larger groups reproduce early data. This review summarizes current literature on HMB, and provides the reader with information to better educate and treat patients and athletes.
Chris's other study
1: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Aug;16(4):430-46.Links
Effect of creatine and beta-alanine supplementation on performance and endocrine responses in strength/power athletes.Hoffman J, Ratamess N, Kang J, Mangine G, Faigenbaum A, Stout J.
Dept. of Health and Exercise Science, The College of New Jersey, Ewing, NJ 08628, USA.
The effects of creatine and creatine plus beta-alanine on strength, power, body composition, and endocrine changes were examined during a 10-wk resistance training program in collegiate football players. Thirty-three male subjects were randomly assigned to either a placebo (P), creatine (C), or creatine plus beta-alanine (CA) group. During each testing session subjects were assessed for strength (maximum bench press and squat), power (Wingate anaerobic power test, 20-jump test), and body composition. Resting blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone, cortisol, growth hormone, IGF-1, and sex hormone binding globulin. Changes in lean body mass and percent body fat were greater (P < 0.05) in CA compared to C or P. Significantly greater strength improvements were seen in CA and C compared to P. Resting testosterone concentrations were elevated in C, however, no other significant endocrine changes were noted. Results of this study demonstrate the efficacy of creatine and creatine plus beta-alanine on strength performance. Creatine plus beta-alanine supplementation appeared to have the greatest effect on lean tissue accruement and body fat composition.
I'll get to beta alanine later, but there is some research for members of the board to have a look at and decide. I will say that studies with multiple variables usually require more follow up research as good as anova's are, single treatment groups usually derive the best statistical certainty and you can have a higher power.
thanks for the response chris.
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Maybe youre the one with a reading comprehension problem? Necrosis said: "Looks like a decent product without alot of filler ingredients."
Lol, ok, I stand correct. I am the idiot with reading comprehension problems. You win this one. :)
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i was wondering what he was talking about. Usually dreatine mixes have all kinds of shit like nano vapor with its 106 ingredient propriety blend.
dont worry about picking on me chris, im aware of the studies on the individual ingredients of your product, they are decent no doubt about it. Creatine has mountains of research, beta alanine has research also.
thanks.
I'm so used to being attacked by the trolls on this board I misread your post. My apologies.
Chris
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I'm so used to being attacked by the trolls on this board I misread your post. My apologies.
Chris
Business alittle slow these days.
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Business alittle slow these days.
No, not really?
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No, not really?
Economy is in the shitter, I would think that most would dump supps first. I still buy but from on-line discounters.
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Economy is in the shitter, I would think that most would dump supps first. I still buy but from on-line discounters.
Well, lucky for us not everyone thinks like you. In addition, while the economy has slowed, things are not nearly as bad as the media would have you believe. For instance, have you lost your job?
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Well, lucky for us not everyone thinks like you. In addition, while the economy has slowed, things are not nearly as bad as the media would have you believe. For instance, have you lost your job?
I don't get into specifics about myself but unless you have your head buried in the sand you should have noticed that THOUSANDS have and are losing their jobs daily. "Economy has slowed" is quite the understatement. Best of luck pushing your protein powders, I will stick with Labrada Nutrition.
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I don't get into specifics about myself but unless you have your head buried in the sand you should have noticed that THOUSANDS have and are losing their jobs daily. "Economy has slowed" is quite the understatement. Best of luck pushing your protein powders, I will stick with Labrada Nutrition.
You are too brain washed by the media. It is their perpetuation of fear which is making consumers hang onto their monies and THAT is what is making people lose their jobs. A sorry circumstance indeed. It is a recession of confidence more than anything.
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everything i've ever ordered has been high quality and ships extremely fast. it's a real good company to order from IMO.
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I will give it a try. I feel like I need a boost or something. Haven't use Creatine in a long time. With the Results stuff, when do you take it? I will report back on my results from Results:)
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I will give it a try. I feel like I need a boost or something. Haven't use Creatine in a long time. With the Results stuff, when do you take it? I will report back on my results from Results:)
I usually take it about an hour before the gym. You'll like it.
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This week: www.atlargenutrition.com
If you haven't tried us yet, now is a great time. If you already use our products, stock up!
Chris
pretty pricey is it a 2nd muscletech or something
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pretty pricey is it a 2nd muscletech or something
No. No bullshit. Check our products. Check the ingredients. Check their dosing. We only include what really works at viable doses. We sell a protein blend of whey (isolate primary), casein, and egg because we KNOW it is superior to any whey only product on the market. We could sell a whey only product and make MORE MONEY. We choose not to because we only want to sell the best.
Chris
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everything i've ever ordered has been high quality and ships extremely fast. it's a real good company to order from IMO.
Thank you!
Shoot me a PM with your real name and you can have a free product of your choice. It is real recommendations like yours which help to grow our brand. We don't have even close to the ad budget of the big boys, but we have better products and folks like you help to get the word out.
Chris
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Chris, can I have some free ETS?
Thanks.
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muscletech? guy you must be joking.. haha muscle tech is shit
i've been using results with fantastic results for awhile now. I, like mass04, take it in the mornings and on the days that i'm lifting, an hour or so before the gym. The feeling you get and the recovery from extended use is sick. Don't cycle creatine either, that's a load of shit too. I don't know who came up with that idea awhile back but it's ridiculous. On the cellular level, consistently keeping your creatine levels elevated within the muscles and your bone structure equates to one thing.. more power IMMEDIATELY!
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muscletech? guy you must be joking.. haha muscle tech is shit
i've been using results with fantastic results for awhile now. I, like mass04, take it in the mornings and on the days that i'm lifting, an hour or so before the gym. The feeling you get and the recovery from extended use is sick. Don't cycle creatine either, that's a load of shit too. I don't know who came up with that idea awhile back but it's ridiculous. On the cellular level, consistently keeping your creatine levels elevated within the muscles and your bone structure equates to one thing.. more power IMMEDIATELY!
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Ok, I have been taking "Results" for a couple of weeks now and I would say it is a very solid product. I definitely have more stamina in the gym and feel stronger, able to get a few more reps. Not quite sure how to describe it, but you stay stronger longer, your muscles don't fatigue as quickly. It is the best pre-workout drink I have taken. The other 2 have been NO explode and NO shotgun. I take them mostly trying to get an energy boost, as I work out right after work and often have low energy at that time. I feel confident in saying this product will have a positive impact on your workouts. I am going to try their protein as well. Anyway, that is my 2 cents, seems to be the real deal.
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why the eye roll? creatine is stored both in your muscles and in your bones... pulled from them via the enzyme creatine kinase. Enzymes break down their "targets" and if something is stored in bone..that would mean bone would have to be broken down via enzymatic action to get the end result. What part did I miss?
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muscletech? guy you must be joking.. haha muscle tech is shit
i've been using results with fantastic results for awhile now. I, like mass04, take it in the mornings and on the days that i'm lifting, an hour or so before the gym. The feeling you get and the recovery from extended use is sick. Don't cycle creatine either, that's a load of shit too. I don't know who came up with that idea awhile back but it's ridiculous. On the cellular level, consistently keeping your creatine levels elevated within the muscles and your bone structure equates to one thing.. more power IMMEDIATELY!
Says the guy who is PAID by the company. Come on, you seem like a decent guy. Let Chris push his garbage in the mags like everyone else.
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Says the guy who is PAID by the company. Come on, you seem like a decent guy. Let Chris push his garbage in the mags like everyone else.
now i admit I do spam the shit out of his stuff..but he's a great guy when you get to know him and his stuff is top notch. Not a single person that has used his products doesn't like it that I've seen to date save one.. I think danielson. Granted anytiem you have a major change in your diet you'll have some digestive issues but those tend to go away in a few days once your gut bacteria, etc. adjust to it. Atlarge nutrition is good shit either way.
unless you're stating that my bone structure comment is horseshit because I'm on the ALN team.. inwhich case, you're an idiot. ;D
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why the eye roll? creatine is stored both in your muscles and in your bones... pulled from them via the enzyme creatine kinase. Enzymes break down their "targets" and if something is stored in bone..that would mean bone would have to be broken down via enzymatic action to get the end result. What part did I miss?
your bones must be undergoing some serious ossification. Many osteoblasts you have. Do the creatine levels in your bones help you lift weights?
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your bones must be undergoing some serious ossification. Many osteoblasts you have. Do the creatine levels in your bones help you lift weights?
actually they do.. the more creatine your body has available the more immediate power you have at your disposal. Obviously the creatine in your muscles is used in conjunction with atp to get the power process going. When the stores are depleted where do you think it comes from? Diet...where it's stored in your muscles and your bones. Due to the fact that creatine is removed from the bones, degeneration must occur to some extent.
and yes.. ossification does occur from lifting...obviously. And your sarcastic comment leads me to believe that you have nothing to refute my previous statement.
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actually they do.. the more creatine your body has available the more immediate power you have at your disposal. Obviously the creatine in your muscles is used in conjunction with atp to get the power process going. When the stores are depleted where do you think it comes from? Diet...where it's stored in your muscles and your bones. Due to the fact that creatine is removed from the bones, degeneration must occur to some extent.
and yes.. ossification does occur from lifting...obviously. And your sarcastic comment leads me to believe that you have nothing to refute my previous statement.
sure, calcium is removed from your bones, phosphate, the bones have hameopoetic cells to create all kinds of shit in the marrow.
so you are suggesting that bone levels of creatine have a direct effect on muscular strength? Im not sure what you want me to refute, you never really made a statement, other then the bone stores stuff. I agree with the basic science you have presented. This thread will be a good place for articles on creatine to be placed now that it is brought up. :D
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sure, calcium is removed from your bones, phosphate, the bones have hameopoetic cells to create all kinds of shit in the marrow.
so you are suggesting that bone levels of creatine have a direct effect on muscular strength? Im not sure what you want me to refute, you never really made a statement, other then the bone stores stuff. I agree with the basic science you have presented. This thread will be a good place for articles on creatine to be placed now that it is brought up. :D
you're right....
does it have a direct effect? no...it is stored in the muscles for direct effect. It's also stored in the bones for when the direct effect needs more fuel for more direct effecting.
creatine is stored in bone----> in order to be removed from bone, bone must be dissolved by creatine kinase---> bone degeneration occurs due to enzymatic action.
what point are we even arguing here? I didn't say creatine fixes bone issues... or that creatine levels in the body can have major effects on the makeup of the bones itself. Could it? it's a theoretical question. Does supplementing your diet cause stronger bone structure from lack of the need to replenish intracellular creatine levels via pulling it from the bones instead of the diet? my basic statement points to it being true.
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you're right....
does it have a direct effect? no...it is stored in the muscles for direct effect. It's also stored in the bones for when the direct effect needs more fuel for more direct effecting.
creatine is stored in bone----> in order to be removed from bone, bone must be dissolved by creatine kinase---> bone degeneration occurs due to enzymatic action.
what point are we even arguing here? I didn't say creatine fixes bone issues... or that creatine levels in the body can have major effects on the makeup of the bones itself. Could it? it's a theoretical question. Does supplementing your diet cause stronger bone structure from lack of the need to replenish intracellular creatine levels via pulling it from the bones instead of the diet? my basic statement points to it being true.
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i wasnt really arguing anything with the rolling eyes, i was just being an ass. Probably the whole piss thing :D
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i wasnt really arguing anything with the rolling eyes, i was just being an ass. Probably the whole piss thing :D
Why do you let this asshole spam your board?
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Why do you let this asshole spam your board?
he is not really spamming per se, its obvious he is being over the top because he is paid by the company.
hows your mudbutt? did it get any better? :D
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he is not really spamming per se, its obvious he is being over the top because he is paid by the company.
hows your mudbutt? did it get any better? :D
I was talking about Chris spamming with this thread. This is the definition of spam. As far as my butt, I am not sure I will ever recover from taking Nitrean, stool is still really loose. But I am doing better. :)
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i wasnt really arguing anything with the rolling eyes, i was just being an ass. Probably the whole piss thing :D
i thought about this this morning...
were we really arguing anything per se? ;D
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No. No bullshit. Check our products. Check the ingredients. Check their dosing. We only include what really works at viable doses. We sell a protein blend of whey (isolate primary), casein, and egg because we KNOW it is superior to any whey only product on the market. We could sell a whey only product and make MORE MONEY. We choose not to because we only want to sell the best.
Chris
first off i want to say that , while ecery hates mauscletech because of their prices and advertising, their products are not 'bullshit'.. muscletech products are actually the top of the line and very good with awesome ingredient listings in correct amounts ( a few of their products are sketchy , but for the most part good)
now, on to you claim about your protein
i do not think that a whey/egg/casien is always superior to whey alone.
pre during and post workout i do not want egg and casein in my protien.
and for a meal replacement, casein alone is just fine... i always laugh at "time released powders" which combine all these different proteins... as if you have to have whey and egg with the casein. nope thats wrong. its the same idea as organon had when they developed their sustanon "time release". its bullshit and it doesnt work. casein takes a long ass time to digest... but its slowing releasing amino acids throughout its ENTIRE period of digestion. its not like it takes 12 hours for the body t get ANY amino acids from casein, it just takes soemthing like 12 hours for the body to completely digest the ENTIRE amount of casein.
when you combine whey (rapid digestion) egg (medium digestion) and casein (slow digestion)... is three periods... =
-the first time period you have whey releasing into the bloodstream along with egg and casein.
-then the next period you have the whey already completely digested so you only have egg and casein releasing into the blood stream.
-the third period you already completely digested the egg and whey so now you only have casein digesting.
what the fuck is the point of the whey and egg ? take them out, increase the casein.