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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tbombz on November 18, 2008, 12:32:14 PM
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1820/204/
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"no matter whether your using legal things or illegal things your not going to look like me"
::) oh brother ... what an arrogant clown
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1820/204/
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"no matter whether your using legal things or illegal things your not going to look like me"
::) oh brother ... what an arrogant clown
he's right, but if you use synthol, you can measure him up!
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Wheeler was an awesome competitor in his day but it seems that in real life this guy's a cock.
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Jeff Rodriguez shits on Flex Wheeler. Plenty of other naturals that do too...
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His forearms look they belong on a 10 year old girl.
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Jeff Rodriguez shits on Flex Wheeler. Plenty of other naturals that do too...
Like aquilles ?
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His forearms look they belong on a 10 year old girl.
That's an insult to 10year old girls.
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Good to see he's been humbled as he's gotten older..... ::)
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That's an insult to 10year old girls.
HAHHAHAHAHHAHH.,........ ;D ;D
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;D why would you give this a clown a vidio spot on your site ??? F---k I forgot ! Its MD land of the retards ! LOL ! 8)
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HAHAHAHAH
Flex = ALL OIL
(http://www.treehugger.com/oil.pump.500.jpg)
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For a guy who talks like a chick, ruined his kidneys and has a 12 inch neck, he sure likes to talk shit
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He is a real stupid fvcker. But its true. The guy is a genetic monster.
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That's an insult to 10year old girls.
hahaha true
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flex wheeler
always shoots himself in the foot
.. great body..
but just not a good human being
narcisstic arrogant lazy....etc etc
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1820/204/
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"no matter whether your using legal things or illegal things your not going to look like me"
::) oh brother ... what an arrogant clown
in part 3 of that video that I watched this morning
he said Kevin Levrone why you call me out....I'm all natural
this man is saying this with 20 pounds of synthol in each arm
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???
oh brother
Flex Wheeler is now the "Natural Freak" :D
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"Liquid beef" supplement lol code for synthol.
He's just matter of fact about what's true, that kind of honesty bothers some here. Realistically most users are in the category of your standard getbig keyboard warrior, have nowhere near that look due a pronounced aversion to hard work and to some extent genetics. Roids are only part of it even though many here always like to justify their own mediocrity by reverting to the roid claim that uninformed joe public resorts to.
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Synthol or not he's right. Flex Wheeler was probably one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders to set foot on stage. But wtf.....he's black. Blacks have dominated this sport for the last 20 years. They maybe haven't been Mr. Olympias but they sure as fuck dominate. Just look at this years Olympia. It's their slave background. Go to Africa and you don't see that shit........most "Africans" fare better in the NBA than the IFBB. It's history not racism so don't try to pull that bullshit.
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Blacks have dominated this sport for the last 20 years
It's history not racism so don't try to pull that bullshit.
If they've dominated and haven't won the whole thing much then actually it IS racism, always been part of it.
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Man, you clowns are unbelievable. You really think it was the Steroids that made Flex Wheeler one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. Then to say he's nothing without them. If that was the case then half the guys on this site would be world class bodybuilders. Do you have any idea how many regular Joe's use Steroids? A lot of guys are using and you don't even know. Not from looking at them at least. It amazes me when people attribute success to Steroids alone. I don't think any of you would tune your mouths up to say Flex Wheeler isn't a genetic freak. That being said, if he trained at least as hard as you do then don't you think his physique would put yours to shame. On those same lines, do you think if you had access to the same gear that Flex had that you would even be able to stand next to him on stage. I hope not. I don't know much about Flex's personality but I do know one thing, you need to think twice before insulting his accomplishments, physique or his standing in the world of bodybuilding.
Pat
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:'(
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No one said he didn't (past tense) have a good physique.
He thinks he has a good physique now, which just isn't true.
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He thinks he has a good physique now, which just isn't true.
Wrong since you don't know who he's comparing himself to. Relative to getbiggers in general and the general public, he still does.
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Man, you clowns are unbelievable. You really think it was the Steroids that made Flex Wheeler one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. Then to say he's nothing without them. If that was the case then half the guys on this site would be world class bodybuilders. Do you have any idea how many regular Joe's use Steroids? A lot of guys are using and you don't even know. Not from looking at them at least. It amazes me when people attribute success to Steroids alone. I don't think any of you would tune your mouths up to say Flex Wheeler isn't a genetic freak. That being said, if he trained at least as hard as you do then don't you think his physique would put yours to shame. On those same lines, do you think if you had access to the same gear that Flex had that you would even be able to stand next to him on stage. I hope not. I don't know much about Flex's personality but I do know one thing, you need to think twice before insulting his accomplishments, physique or his standing in the world of bodybuilding.
Pat
Steroids AND Genetics made Flex Wheeler
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Steroids AND Genetics made Flex Wheeler
And some oil here and there.
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Wrong since you don't know who he's comparing himself to. Relative to getbiggers in general and the general public, he still does.
Guy had a great physique. But how much loger are we gonna hear about him? It's gotta be coming close to an end?
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he's right, but if you use synthol, you can measure him up!
LOL! :D
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Steroids AND Genetics made Flex Wheeler
What about hard work? No, wait, that was Dorian.
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Steroids AND Genetics made Flex Wheeler
Your classic keyboard warrior. No proof at all that she's ever lifted a weight in her life, but apparently she was training side-by-side with Wheeler to know this. ::)
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Your classic keyboard warrior. No proof at all that she's ever lifted a weight in her life, but apparently she was training side-by-side with Wheeler to know this. ::)
You of all people shouldn't be commenting on people lifting weights something YOU yourself don't do , you toy with powerods ;) and you're always referring to me as a female maybe that's due to the fact you're fond of bragging about the many chances you had with transexuals that you met on Craisglist
epic stalking too , go back to the training board and play mod because we all know you don't go to a gym
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What about hard work? No, wait, that was Dorian.
Flex and hard work ? talk about an oxymoron .
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And some oil here and there.
Ha ha ha can't forget the Mobil 1
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Flex and hard work ? talk about an oxymoron .
Well it's obvious to me you don't have a clue. If you think Flex had some kind of magic potion that allowed him to achieve what he has then you obviously don't lift weights either. Anyone who has spent any measurable amount of time in the gym would no beyond a shadow of a doubt (regardless of how you feel about Flex as a person) that that kind of development doesn't come without hard work, Steroids, no Steroids, genetics, or lack of. By all means express your opinion on his personality, arrogance, sexual preference or whatever else you feel like hating on but for God's sake don't downplay what the man has achieved and the gifts that obviously is blessed with.
I'm sure if Flex dedicated his time to developing his physique in order to become the best Natural (depending on your def.) of all time, he would be able to come a lot closer than all of us. The man is gifted. End of story.
Pat
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If they've dominated and haven't won the whole thing much then actually it IS racism, always been part of it.
Dude think about it........What I meant was that blacks have dominated the top 10 IFBB spots for a long time. And Ronnie and Haney have won as many or more than Dorian and Jay. So don't pull that racist bullshit it's not true anymore. My point was blacks dominate this sport because for the most part their genetics are better for bodybuilding and respond well to the drugs.
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it wasn't just steriods it was a lot of different drugs calf implants hundreda of clylean shots the day of his contests.
he is not natural now being on HRT and synthoil he is a born liar and con man and sure knows how to use people. ask anyone who was in any kind of busness with him all failed busness's including the film group whos name eludes me now ( maybe road to the nationals ?) naming kenneth wheeler as presdent and they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and the guy Jay of Maryland went out of that busness
sneakers, motorcycles , flex's names on contests , except for this year when Steve Blecman paid money to sponcer it and pay and fly all proformers in. He cons Steve too !
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Flex Wheeler was the best >:(
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it wasn't just steroids it was a lot of different drugs calf implants hundreda of clylean shots the day of his contests.
he is not natural now being on HRT and synthoil he is a born liar and con man and sure knows how to use people. ask anyone who was in any kind of busness with him all failed busness's including the film group whos name eludes me now ( maybe road to the nationals ?) naming kenneth wheeler as presdent and they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and the guy Jay of Maryland went out of that busness
sneakers, motorcycles , flex's names on contests , except for this year when Steve Blecman paid money to sponcer it and pay and fly all proformers in. He cons Steve too !
I'm not posting here to debate Flex's moral character. I have no idea what Flex is about. I don't know him. The things you are saying may be true but his genetics and potential in the sport of bodybuilding (natural or not) is obviously better than most of ours and probably most of the people we know. Genetics like that don't come around that often.
Pat
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Epic insecurity on full display, courtesy of our friend FW. Poor Flex!
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:'(
I've seen hundreds, probably thousands of gym rats that look WAY better than that oil filled cum sack.
Now, Flex Wheeler BACK IN THE DAY.... he had the most glorious bodybuilding physique of all time, imho. I envy him so much. He looked better than any bodybuilder. There have been people more heavily muscles and all that shit, but no one looked as good as Flex. Amazing proportions, full, huge muscle bellies, shredded and amazing in competitions. He had some minor imbalances and short falls (namely his back, it could have been wider without detracting from his physique). But lets not split hairs.
Flex in the past looks great. The present Flex looks like a fucking retarded cum guzzler. If you look at his face, he actually looks FUCKING retarded. Maybe things wouldn't have turned out like that had he won a Mr. Olympia. He just went too nutty with the oils.
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Well it's obvious to me you don't have a clue. If you think Flex had some kind of magic potion that allowed him to achieve what he has then you obviously don't lift weights either. Anyone who has spent any measurable amount of time in the gym would no beyond a shadow of a doubt (regardless of how you feel about Flex as a person) that that kind of development doesn't come without hard work, Steroids, no Steroids, genetics, or lack of. By all means express your opinion on his personality, arrogance, sexual preference or whatever else you feel like hating on but for God's sake don't downplay what the man has achieved and the gifts that obviously is blessed with.
I'm sure if Flex dedicated his time to developing his physique in order to become the best Natural (depending on your def.) of all time, he would be able to come a lot closer than all of us. The man is gifted. End of story.
Pat
OMG It's obvious to Pat I don't have a clue ::) and yes Flex had a ' magic potion ' to achieve what he did it's called AAS combined with his genetics and FYI Pat I started lifting weights in 1985 ;) and know full well what hard work is
If you've read anything about Kenny you'd know he's notoriously lazy and had no discipline what so ever , he's said many times he hated working out and he couldn't wait to get done with bodybuilding forever . he relied MOSTLY ( key word ) on his superior genetics to carry him through , he didn't train hard and he wasn't mentally hard old news
I'm a huge Flex fan for the record however I'm not delusional his physique was achieved via drugs and genetics and a minimal amount of work , now imagine what he would have been able to do with an iron will and pinpoint focus?
And you're delusional if you think Flex is ' natural ' in either of those pics or natural even now , he hasn't been natural since I first started lifting weights , he's been on a hell of a lot more than he's been off , without drugs Flex is just another guy in the guy with a good physique and if he could be the best natural among all natural he would've been instead of taking AAS when he was a teenager
At one time he was among the greatest bodybuilder who ever graced the stage , now he's a shell of his former self and a joke , I forgot who said that Steroid testing was the emasculation of the Gods but boy does that apply to Flex Wheeler without drugs he's just another mere mortal .
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it wasn't just steriods it was a lot of different drugs calf implants hundreda of clylean shots the day of his contests.
he is not natural now being on HRT and synthoil he is a born liar and con man and sure knows how to use people. ask anyone who was in any kind of busness with him all failed busness's including the film group whos name eludes me now ( maybe road to the nationals ?) naming kenneth wheeler as presdent and they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and the guy Jay of Maryland went out of that busness
sneakers, motorcycles , flex's names on contests , except for this year when Steve Blecman paid money to sponcer it and pay and fly all proformers in. He cons Steve too !
Great post ! he's not been natural since the early 80s
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Flex will never get it. Despite his many titles, his legacy will be one of a person whose accomplishments were by way of minimal effort. I have a much greater respect for a person with a lesser bodybuilding pedigree whose accomplishments, although not as renowned, are achieved via maximum dedication. During stages of his pro career he had a physique to marvel, but if attained through a token effort, from where should a true sense of accomplishment be derived?
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Flex will never get it. Despite his many titles, his legacy will be one of a person whose accomplishments were by way of minimal effort. I have a much greater respect for a person with a lesser bodybuilding pedigree whose accomplishments, although not as renowned, are achieved via maximum dedication. During stages of his pro career he had a physique to marvel, but if attained through a token effort, from where should a true sense of accomplishment be derived?
Great post !
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turner what do you know about flex wheelers genetics ?
im not talking about his muscle bellies, insertions, skeletal structure, or shape or aesthetics... but genetics for building muscle and getting lean without losing muscle?
look at pictures of flex as a tenneager, ... skinny skinny skinny.. even when he first start competing the guy was SCRAWNY.. flex wheeler4 aint no big man... flex wheelers parents arent no giantrs.. flex wheelers kids arent muscled hulk kids... it aint in his genetics to have big muscles !
so dont be saying flex wheeler can build bigger muscles than anybody else because of his genetics... it just aint so.
and unless you think the average gym rat does year round mega dose AAS cycles combine with slin gh and thyroids and escilene and does so for a decade or so continuosly... then you can not compare the average gym rat development to flex wheeler development in any way shape or form..
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Great post !
X3
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Well it's obvious to me you don't have a clue. If you think Flex had some kind of magic potion that allowed him to achieve what he has then you obviously don't lift weights either.
No kidding and no indication this poof has ever lifted in her life, yet apparently she worked out side by side with both Wheeler and Yates to be able to speak on this LOL. She's too busy stalking others and trying to hijack threads with personal crap to work out.
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Dude think about it........What I meant was that blacks have dominated the top 10 IFBB spots for a long time. And Ronnie and Haney have won as many or more than Dorian and Jay. So don't pull that racist bullshit it's not true anymore. My point was blacks dominate this sport because for the most part their genetics are better for bodybuilding and respond well to the drugs.
Actually you said that the results don't back up the domination.
Bottom line plenty of those Yates "victories" were thefts from deserving minority BBs who worked hard and were robbed by the keg.
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No kidding and no indication this poof has ever lifted in her life, yet apparently she worked out side by side with both Wheeler and Yates to be able to speak on this LOL. She's too busy stalking others and trying to hijack threads with personal crap to work out.
Again coming from someone who's sole means of ' working out ' is a Bow Flex and it was YOU who stalked MY post not the other way around , you're the tranny chaser who is looking for revenge because I called you out for referring to men in drag as ' gorgeous ' and your keep referring to me as a ' she ' what does that tell you?
and you can't type in any thread without mentioning me or Yates talking about stalking and NOT sticking to the topic , I made a simple comment that Flex was the byproduct of drugs & genetics and you're licking my boots and still posting the same Yates pics , you're such a loser
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Actually you said that the results don't back up the domination.
Bottom line plenty of those Yates "victories" were thefts from deserving minority BBs who worked hard and were robbed by the keg.
Oh boo-hoo the white guy beat my ebony heros ::) Yates owns your mind get over it
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Oh boo-hoo the white guy beat my ebony heros ::) Yates owns your mind get over it
More importantly, I own yours. Hence the endless personal vendettas that have nothing to do with BB. I'm in your mind LOL
Hope this helps. Focus on BB and get back to us with your personal, detailed accounts of training with those guys. ;)
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More importantly, I own yours. Hence the endless tangents that have nothing to do with the matter at hand. I'm in your mind LOL
Hope this helps, and get back to us with your details accounts of personal training with those guys. ;)
On the contrary , I never responded to YOU in this or any other thread , I posted Flex was the byproduct of drugs & genetics and YOU felt compelled as usual to respond to ME ;) and why? because I own your mind , I pushed YOU to the point of meltdown when you wished me dead instead of my sister , you know when Ron had to set you straight ;)
I own you like Yates owned your ebony heros and your race card expired long ago
next
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hahahahahahaha
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Man, you clowns are unbelievable. You really think it was the Steroids that made Flex Wheeler one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. Then to say he's nothing without them. If that was the case then half the guys on this site would be world class bodybuilders. Do you have any idea how many regular Joe's use Steroids? A lot of guys are using and you don't even know. Not from looking at them at least. It amazes me when people attribute success to Steroids alone. I don't think any of you would tune your mouths up to say Flex Wheeler isn't a genetic freak. That being said, if he trained at least as hard as you do then don't you think his physique would put yours to shame. On those same lines, do you think if you had access to the same gear that Flex had that you would even be able to stand next to him on stage. I hope not. I don't know much about Flex's personality but I do know one thing, you need to think twice before insulting his accomplishments, physique or his standing in the world of bodybuilding.
Pat
as a noob, you should read more and talk/type less.
you have been taken in by myth and hype.
learn from the best.....learn from getbig.
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as a noob, you should read more and talk/type less.
you have been taken in by myth and hype.
learn from the best.....learn from getbig.
I'm always up for learning a thing or two. I'll stick around and see what comes up. I may be new to Getbig but I've been in the game a while. I may just have a thing or two to add to the "Getbig Plethora of Knowledge". Thanks for the info.
Pat
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and you can't type in any thread without mentioning me or Yates talking about stalking and NOT sticking to the topic , I made a simple comment that Flex was the byproduct of drugs & genetics and you're licking my boots and still posting the same Yates pics , you're such a loser
Without a doubt. The hard on that Pumpster and Hulkster have for Yates is incredibly transparent. The subjective nature of bodybuilding almost dictates differences of opinion, which is logical given the said nature of the "sport". However, it is foolish for such individuals to be so biased so as not to give even a shred of credence to a six time champion for any of his successes. Tainting other topics perfectly exemplifies their aversion towards Yates and a clear lack of objectivity.
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Flex had one of the best physiques to grace the stage but lets be real...He was and is forever a glorified middleweight...And in the end, he just didn't have the constitution to play the game he thought he owned...He is lucky to walk away from it still breathing...
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I may just have a thing or two to add to the "Getbig Plethora of Knowledge". Thanks for the info.
Pat
Getbig "plethora of knowledge" bwhaahaha most of these clowns don't even lift.
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The hard on that Pumpster and Hulkster have for Yates is incredibly transparent.
What's transparent is your dyslexia LOL ya based on your comprehension skills you're ripe for the tiny construction worker's camp if you can't get even the basics right. And why are you thinking about my dick? :-*
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Wheeler was an awesome competitor in his day but it seems that in real life this guy's a cock.
Typical Sean Ray syndrome
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Getbig "plethora of knowledge" bwhaahaha most of these clowns don't even lift.
You know you may be right about that but even so anywhere you can get large group of individuals who are interested in the same thing, gathered together under one forum you will always get a variety of ideas on every topic. It's just a big brainstorming session on various topics. Hell, even a dumbass may spit out some info worth using every once in a while. If nothing, it's at least a bit entertaining on those slow days here in Iraq.
Pat
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Just check out some of Flex's videos. All the cockiness and arrogance are all their. Granted he was one of the all time great pros and will forever be in most peoples top ten, but watching the man bragging and showing off all his toys, Rolex Mercedes and all the stuff he had before his kidney went and he found God. Man how we forget. Great bodybuilder but he seemed like a dick in the videos. You can see why everyone has mixed opinions on Flex.
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Just check out some of Flex's videos. All the cockiness and arrogance are all their. Granted he was one of the all time great pros and will forever be in most peoples top ten, but watching the man bragging and showing off all his toys, Rolex Mercedes and all the stuff he had before his kidney went and he found God. Man how we forget. Great bodybuilder but he seemed like a dick in the videos. You can see why everyone has mixed opinions on Flex.
hahah every person in history who was ever a prick, somehow "finds god" later in life as a way to justify their previously douchey behavior.
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Mel Gibson and George W. come to mind.
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If you stop talking about him, maybe he will go away? Dont destroy your legacy dude, just stop talking.
Or ask yourself.... What would a ninja do?
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Damn, are you guys/girls trying to decide if you should take Flex home to meet your parents or are we talking about his legacy as a world class bodybuilder. I thought we were talking about his physique and his obvious genetic gift. Ok, if you're trying to decide if you and Flex can have a future together then maybe all this stuff you're talking has some relevance. If not then lets stick to the facts. The man has genetics that aren't really seen that often. Gear or no gear.
Pat
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Getbig "plethora of knowledge" bwhaahaha most of these clowns don't even lift.
The irony lol this is your sole means of ' lifting ' 400 pound power-rod bench presser lol what a tool.
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The irony lol this is your sole means of ' lifting ' 400 pound power-rod bench presser lol what a tool.
ahaha, HARDCORE !!!!! Notice the phone book, I guess so the person can order pizza whilst bowflexing.
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What's transparent is your dyslexia LOL ya based on your comprehension skills you're ripe for the tiny construction worker's camp if you can't get even the basics right. And why are you thinking about my dick? :-*
You prove yourself wrong all the time , no one mentioned Dorian Yates in this thread and you being the predictable dummy you are inject your Yates-hating into yet another thread , you're predictable and hate Yates because he's white , you're in a dark place..and I'm not talking about your apartment with the ' gorgeous ' transexuals you brag about having many chances with
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ahaha, HARDCORE !!!!! Notice the phone book, I guess so the person can order pizza whilst bowflexing.
lmfao many a professional bodybuilder's physique's have been forged on the Blow-flex , I remember Ronnie Coleman in Flex magazine doing an article on how he built his back using the bow-flex exclusively lol
the phone book is for added resistance
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Damn, are you guys/girls trying to decide if you should take Flex home to meet your parents or are we talking about his legacy as a world class bodybuilder. I thought we were talking about his physique and his obvious genetic gift. Ok, if you're trying to decide if you and Flex can have a future together then maybe all this stuff you're talking has some relevance. If not then lets stick to the facts. The man has genetics that aren't really seen that often. Gear or no gear.
Pat
Genetics AND drugs made Flex Wheeler if Flex never took any drugs he'd never turn pro and you'd never see the physique he shown on the pro-stage period. this has nothing to do with his character flaws and arrogance.
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I own you like Yates owned your ebony heros and your race card expired long ago
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lmao
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Genetics AND drugs made Flex Wheeler if Flex never took any drugs he'd never turn pro and you'd never see the physique he shown on the pro-stage period. this has nothing to do with his character flaws and arrogance.
Check out the 1989 Nationals(i believe) the year Flex had "flex" shaved into the back of his head...The dude was skinny as fck...I believe he placed 4th or something either in the middle's or light heavies...That was the real Flex Wheeler...Then a couple years later, he upped the dosages and added GH/slin/and boat loads of synthol related agents and the rest is history..."The Gift" is following in his footsteps...Lets see if "the gift" has the constitution that Flex didn't...Time will tell...
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1820/204/
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"no matter whether your using legal things or illegal things your not going to look like me"
::) oh brother ... what an arrogant clown
He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
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He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
Thank you!! Exactly! 99.999% Great post. Straight and to the point.
Pat
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Thank you!! Exactly! 99.999% Great post. Straight and to the point.
Pat
"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" ;D :o ;D
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"Liquid beef" supplement lol code for synthol.
He's just matter of fact about what's true, that kind of honesty bothers some here. Realistically most users are in the category of your standard getbig keyboard warrior, have nowhere near that look due a pronounced aversion to hard work and to some extent genetics. Roids are only part of it even though many here always like to justify their own mediocrity by reverting to the roid claim that uninformed joe public resorts to.
Flex is notorious for his lazyness, so I doubt that the reason why he looked like he did at the 1993 Ironman had anything to do with hard work. He even remarked once that he didn't even do barbell rows because it made him "short winded". It's obvious that Flex looked the way he did exclusively because of drugs and genetics. As for for the average guy on steroids looking worse than Flex on drugs, it depends what he's atalking about, if either shape or size. The average guy on sauce will never have Flex's shape, granted, but size? C'mon...I've seen pics of Flex before his bodybuilding days and the guy was the ultimate ectomorph. The average guy wouldn't need to take steroids to be bigger than Flex natural.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
Genetics AND drugs rule without the drugs Flex Wheeler isn't Flex Wheeler
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He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
Very true.
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What a load of shit. Wheeler would have his shape without steroids, but would he have the size he had as a pro bodybuilder? No! He would actually be smaller than the average man, given that he is extremely ectomorphic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
Its not how it works...Flex will always be a middle weight...He had great genetics for sure but it was his ability to grow rapidly from the hormones that set him apart...There are many stories out there of guys with good genetics who don't respond well to hormones...Flex wasn't one of them...However, that is all now mute...For he is lucky to be alive...However something tells me that Flex doesn't respect karma and that is what is going to come back and bite him in the ass once again...So be it!
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What a load of shit. Wheeler would have his shape without steroids, but would he have the size he had as a pro bodybuilder? No! He would actually be smaller than the average man, given that he is extremely ectomorphic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Exactly that's what his physique so appealing huge round muscle bellies with ultra tiny joints
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What a load of shit. Wheeler would have his shape without steroids, but would he have the size he had as a pro bodybuilder? No! He would actually be smaller than the average man, given that he is extremely ectomorphic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Agreed. When speaking of genetics, people also lose site of the fact that part of genetics is the response one has to drugs. Flex obviously has a very favorable response to drugs. Devoid of them, big difference.
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He's also correct. Genetics rule, and he's got the genetics you and I don't, drugs or not. I met him the day he won the Cal as a teen, and he looked amazing. Drugs or not, 99.999% of of those reading this will not look like Flex with or without drugs. Deal with it.
Finally...These clowns(tbombz in particular) seem to think is all it takes is "up the doses"
You need to post here more Will(great name btw) ;D
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:D Without the drugs he is a skinny f--k who looks like the COOKIE MONSTER !
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Oh boo-hoo the white guy beat my ebony heros ::) Yates owns your mind get over it
this is the reason you are always so pissy: lol
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this is the reason you are always so pissy: lol
Her time of the month. :-* :-* :-*
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this is the reason you are always so pissy: lol
Just as with Pumpster, you just proved ND's statements correct. Well done, nice self owning.
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The Synthol Warrior!
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4921/wheeler012da.jpg)
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Flex looks VERY impressive in that shot. You can really see his superior structure, especially the way the thigh/calf flares off from the knee joint.
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steroids and training are the only thing making bodybuilders pro size, not genetics.
hope this helps.
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this is the reason you are always so pissy: lol
Thanks for proving my point ye again , you're obsessed with me and Yates ;) and you follow me from thread to thread begging for my attention lmao
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Just as with Pumpster, you just proved ND's statements correct. Well done, nice self owning.
Great post !
no one mentioned Dorian Yates they idiots claim I'm a Yates guy ::) they dummies are on his balls in every post as usual major self-ownage and monster sticking to the thread lol
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Great post !
no one mentioned Dorian Yates they idiots claim I'm a Yates guy ::) they dummies are on his balls in every post as usual major self-ownage and monster sticking to the thread lol
Still causing Hulkster meltdowns on a regular basis ND? Nice work!
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I'm not posting here to debate Flex's moral character. I have no idea what Flex is about. I don't know him. The things you are saying may be true but his genetics and potential in the sport of bodybuilding (natural or not) is obviously better than most of ours and probably most of the people we know. Genetics like that don't come around that often.
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Much of what you say is true, but you're taking the thread's title out of context. Head to head Flex is hard to beat. But his physique NOW, which that in question, although not terrible, is essentially that of a normal guy who lifts weights plus shit loads of synthol.
Even in the natural pics from 2002 he is displaying the results of years of steroid abuse, including synthol in arms and delts, he was just clean for that show. If you get big on roids then go clean you're still going to be at an advantage to someone who's never taken anything. I have ex-juicer friends who look great and technically they don't juice anymore.
Anyway, great ginetics, yes, stupid looking fake arms, yes. I think people just get annoyed with someone whose standout bodyparts are fake bigging themselves up all the time!
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Much of what you say is true, but you're taking the thread's title out of context. Head to head Flex is hard to beat. But his physique NOW, which that in question, although not terrible, is essentially that of a normal guy who lifts weights plus shit loads of synthol.
Even in the natural pics from 2002 he is displaying the results of years of steroid abuse, including synthol in arms and delts, he was just clean for that show. If you get big on roids then go clean you're still going to be at an advantage to someone who's never taken anything. I have ex-juicer friends who look great and technically they don't juice anymore.
Anyway, great ginetics, yes, stupid looking fake arms, yes. I think people just get annoyed with someone whose standout bodyparts are fake bigging themselves up all the time!
It's possible that I am taking the thread out of context. I am not familiar with the context of which Flex made this statement or his intent. If he meant that on steroids, the person that he was talking to wouldn't look as good as he does if Flex trained to compete naturally or did he mean the person won't look as good as Flex does now. I'm not sure how Flex is training right now or if he is training at all. I've seen several pics of him and he looks pretty much like a regular guy. I may be reading into it a little. I was thinking he meant that if he (Flex) were to train at a level to become a Natural I think everyone that has posted here has agreed that Flex Wheeler possesses genetics that most of us can only dream about. That being said, doesn't it make sense that if he trained to be the best natural bodybuilder in the world that those same genetics he used to compete while juicing may take him to a level better than most of the guys you know that are juicing. I don't think he's focused on that right now but I'm just throwing that out there. I think there is a really big misconception in the boybuilding world that everyone who is taking steroids becomes a massive, and ripped Hulk of a man ready to take the stage and compete. That's just not the case. You may have guys in your gym that are juicin and you don't even know it based on their results. Steroids are not a miracle drug. No doubt they work. It still takes a lot more than Steroids alone to build a world class physique.
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Still causing Hulkster meltdowns on a regular basis ND? Nice work!
lol he's to easy
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steroids and training are the only thing making bodybuilders pro size, not genetics.
hope this helps.
Yeah right, if this was true then there would be "pro size" bodybuilders everywhere you looked. There are countless people who take steroids and train like beasts but aren't pro sized bodybuilders. I would imagine the majority of those taking steroids never reach the size and shape that they think they will when they start. Don't downplay what it takes to be a Pro. I won't argue with the fact that drugs are involved but saying that drugs and training alone will do the trick is totally ridiculous. IMHO.
Pat
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Yeah right, if this was true then there would be "pro size" bodybuilders everywhere you looked. There are countless people who take steroids and train like beasts but aren't pro sized bodybuilders. I would imagine the majority of those taking steroids never reach the size and shape that they think they will when they start. Don't downplay what it takes to be a Pro. I won't argue with the fact that drugs are involved but saying that drugs and training alone will do the trick is totally ridiculous. IMHO.
Pat
Hence why I said drugs AND genetics
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steroids and training are the only thing making bodybuilders pro size, not genetics.
hope this helps.
fat and jealous ;D
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I read Flex's book. steroids played a HUGE factor in his success people. The book is easy to read. I read it in one day back in '03
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I read Flex's book. steroids played a HUGE factor in his success people. The book is easy to read. I read it in one day back in '03
I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Steroids play a huge role in the success of all bodybuilders on that level. The point that needs to be made is that not just anyone can take a huge amount of Steroids and become a professional bodybuilder. Not only a professional bodybuilder but a successful Pro Bodybuilder. It takes a lot more than just Steroids. Flex's genetics are among the best in the business. With or without steroids he still possesses these same genetics. Is it so hard to believe that if he trained naturally (for competition) that he could achieve a physique much better than most of us on this site. Damn, half of the people posting on here probably don't even train. Now some of you out there may be be able to say you have a physique better than Flex could possibly achieve naturally but not many. I've trained 20+ yrs and managed to build a descent physique yet I'm not gonna sit here and say that. Scroll back up and look at the mans pics. You don't run into that kind of genetics everyday. Great genetics means something, with or without Steroids.
Pat
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Great genetics, no doubt of that. He's also a bit of a tool.
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Yeah right, if this was true then there would be "pro size" bodybuilders everywhere you looked. There are countless people who take steroids and train like beasts but aren't pro sized bodybuilders. I would imagine the majority of those taking steroids never reach the size and shape that they think they will when they start. Don't downplay what it takes to be a Pro. I won't argue with the fact that drugs are involved but saying that drugs and training alone will do the trick is totally ridiculous. IMHO.
Pat
if its all genetics where were the mass monsters pre 1950's ?
no one has ever gotten to the size of the guys from the 50's onward, where was the genetics then ::)
why do the pro's all disappear into 150lb skeletons when they go off cycles ::)
guys who take steroids and do not achieve the size of a pro are doing things wrong - not enough protein and calories, poor training mostly.
i admit shape is more related to genetics, however with the proper training even this can be affected.
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if its all genetics where were the mass monsters pre 1950's ?
no one has ever gotten to the size of the guys from the 50's onward, where was the genetics then ::)
why do the pro's all disappear into 150lb skeletons when they go off cycles ::)
guys who take steroids and do not achieve the size of a pro are doing things wrong - not enough protein and calories, poor training mostly.
i admit shape is more related to genetics, however with the proper training even this can be affected.
Theres no argument here that Steroids play a big part. Everyone has agreed on that. Just like with most drugs, Steroids can have different effects on different people. Theres not just one general rule that says if two guys take the exact same type and dosage, even if their training and diet are the same, they will have the exact same results. That's one of the complications involved when using Steroids. The point we are making here is that Flex's genetics would allow him an advantage competing naturally or with Steroids, over most of us posting on this board, weather we use or not. That's what the original thread was about. How many of you think you have the physique (natural or on roids) to go head to head with Flex (natural) if he started seriously training to compete? If you do, please post a pic so I can see for myself. I'm not saying that there aren't people out there that may be able to hang but I seriously doubt there are very many here reading this post. I might be wrong but lets just take a look and judge for ourselves.
PT
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Theres no argument here that Steroids play a big part. Everyone has agreed on that. Just like with most drugs, Steroids can have different effects on different people. Theres not just one general rule that says if two guys take the exact same type and dosage, even if their training and diet are the same, they will have the exact same results. That's one of the complications involved when using Steroids. The point we are making here is that Flex's genetics would allow him an advantage competing naturally or with Steroids, over most of us posting on this board, weather we use or not. That's what the original thread was about. How many of you think you have the physique (natural or on roids) to go head to head with Flex (natural) if he started seriously training to compete? If you do, please post a pic so I can see for myself. I'm not saying that there aren't people out there that may be able to hang but I seriously doubt there are very many here reading this post. I might be wrong but lets just take a look and judge for ourselves.
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firstly - flex isn't natural, he still takes insulin gh and i would bet clen too.
secondly - anybody who eats right, takes real gear, and works out right would beat a natural flex in a bodybuilding contest, just like they would beat a natural levrone, and a natural prince ans a natural 'insert name here'.
thirdly - there has never been a single study - from thousands done on steroids that showed a non responder to gear. some may get different sides, but muscle gain is always statistically the same.
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It's possible that I am taking the thread out of context. I am not familiar with the context of which Flex made this statement or his intent. If he meant that on steroids, the person that he was talking to wouldn't look as good as he does if Flex trained to compete naturally or did he mean the person won't look as good as Flex does now. I'm not sure how Flex is training right now or if he is training at all. I've seen several pics of him and he looks pretty much like a regular guy. I may be reading into it a little. I was thinking he meant that if he (Flex) were to train at a level to become a Natural I think everyone that has posted here has agreed that Flex Wheeler possesses genetics that most of us can only dream about. That being said, doesn't it make sense that if he trained to be the best natural bodybuilder in the world that those same genetics he used to compete while juicing may take him to a level better than most of the guys you know that are juicing. I don't think he's focused on that right now but I'm just throwing that out there. I think there is a really big misconception in the boybuilding world that everyone who is taking steroids becomes a massive, and ripped Hulk of a man ready to take the stage and compete. That's just not the case. You may have guys in your gym that are juicin and you don't even know it based on their results. Steroids are not a miracle drug. No doubt they work. It still takes a lot more than Steroids alone to build a world class physique.
Agreed. I knew a guy who looked average but I happened to know he trained because we went to the same gym. Dude basically had zilchio muscularity bar a bit of shoulders. Turns out he's been juicing for a while, he just had literally no idea how to train properly. Like I always say about ginetics as well, if the person taking the most juice looked the best then, Palumbo would have made pro, Kovacs wouldn't look pathetic with small legs etc, and Kamali wouldn't be fighting a losing battle to have arms above 16". Lots of people don't respond particularly well, and even if they got massive, you still need the shape. Silvio Samuel beats Dennis James, but not because Dennis James does less drugs.
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firstly - flex isn't natural, he still takes insulin gh and i would bet clen too.
secondly - anybody who eats right, takes real gear, and works out right would beat a natural flex in a bodybuilding contest, just like they would beat a natural levrone, and a natural prince ans a natural 'insert name here'.
thirdly - there has never been a single study - from thousands done on steroids that showed a non responder to gear. some may get different sides, but muscle gain is always statistically the same.
I don't know where you've been but I personally know plenty of clowns on gear that look like shit. I wouldn't categorize them as non responders. More like they didn't get the response they anticipated. I'm pretty sure we all know a few of these. Like you said, it takes a lot more than just the use of Steroids alone. And I beg to differ on the muscle gains being generally the same. That's ridiculous. It's pretty common knowledge that results are going to vary from individual to individual. I, ( now this is just my opinion ) personally believe that if Flex Wheeler dedicated himself to Natural Bodybuilding like he did when he was competing that he could build a very impressive physique. He's got all the tools. That's just my opinion.
Pat
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Silvio Samuel beats Dennis James, but not because Dennis James does less drugs.
no he doesn't. dennis james blows him away in every dept.
I don't know where you've been but I personally know plenty of clowns on gear that look like shit. I wouldn't categorize them as non responders. More like they didn't get the response they anticipated. I'm pretty sure we all know a few of these. Like you said, it takes a lot more than just the use of Steroids alone. And I beg to differ on the muscle gains being generally the same. That's ridiculous. It's pretty common knowledge that results are going to vary from individual to individual. I, ( now this is just my opinion ) personally believe that if Flex Wheeler dedicated himself to Natural Bodybuilding like he did when he was competing that he could build a very impressive physique. He's got all the tools. That's just my opinion.
Pat
i know guys that take gear and look like shit too, and i wouldn't class them as non responders either - the gear was fake/underdosed or they had shity diets and or training with no progressive resistance.
you might not agree but on human grade gear, in every study i have read on gear, everyone put on statistically the same amount of mass.
as i said shape may be genetic to a point, same with muscle insertions, but training can make a difference to muscle shape over time.
look at ronnie coleman, probably the greatest ever seen in the genetics dept ( apart from dillet maybe), yet flex blew him away for years - despite ronnie being older. back then i bet there wasn't a soul on planet earth that would have said ronnie had better genetics that flex, and when ronnie was on the olympia stage the first time he couldn't touch wheeler.
then he teams up with chad, increases his protein and gear and BOOM a genetic marvel is born ::)
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no he doesn't. dennis james blows him away in every dept.
i know guys that take gear and look like shit too, and i wouldn't class them as non responders either - the gear was fake/underdosed or they had shity diets and or training with no progressive resistance.
you might not agree but on human grade gear, in every study i have read on gear, everyone put on statistically the same amount of mass.
as i said shape may be genetic to a point, same with muscle insertions, but training can make a difference to muscle shape over time.
look at Ronnie Coleman, probably the greatest ever seen in the genetics dept ( apart from dillet maybe), yet flex blew him away for years - despite ronnie being older. back then i bet there wasn't a soul on planet earth that would have said ronnie had better genetics that flex, and when ronnie was on the olympia stage the first time he couldn't touch wheeler.
then he teams up with chad, increases his protein and gear and BOOM a genetic marvel is born ::)
Well, you did say one thing right, "A Genetic Marvel was Born". Ronnie was born with great genes and it was just a matter of time before he did exactly what you said. He got with the right people and starting making the right moves. (be that increased steroid use, protein, whatever) How do you think Ronnie would fair if he never competed in the IFBB and focused his attentions toward being a Natural Pro. Same situation as Flex. Incredible genes to begin with. Obviously possesses the drive, dedication and determination to get it done. Don't you think he would most likely be a very successful Natural Pro. I know this is hypothetical but work with me a little bit. I hope you would agree that guys like Ronnie and Flex don't come around that often and they would probably excel should they pursue Natural Bodybuilding or it's "Evil Twin Brother". (just kidding) I have nothing against guys who decide to use. Anyway, can I get an agreement on at least that?
By the way, (hypothetically) how many guys on this site do you know that could beat Ronnie or Flex if they dedicated themselves to the pursuit of Natural Bodybuilding in the same manner as they did with their Pro careers in the IFBB?
Pat
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Well, you did say one thing right, "A Genetic Marvel was Born". Ronnie was born with great genes and it was just a matter of time before he did exactly what you said. He got with the right people and starting making the right moves. (be that increased steroid use, protein, whatever) How do you think Ronnie would fair if he never competed in the IFBB and focused his attentions toward being a Natural Pro. Same situation as Flex. Incredible genes to begin with. Obviously possesses the drive, dedication and determination to get it done. Don't you think he would most likely be a very successful Natural Pro. I know this is hypothetical but work with me a little bit. I hope you would agree that guys like Ronnie and Flex don't come around that often and they would probably excel should they pursue Natural Bodybuilding or it's "Evil Twin Brother". (just kidding) I have nothing against guys who decide to use. Anyway, can I get an agreement on at least that?
By the way, (hypothetically) how many guys on this site do you know that could beat Ronnie or Flex if they dedicated themselves to the pursuit of Natural Bodybuilding in the same manner as they did with their Pro careers in the IFBB?
Pat
or perhaps the gene thing is just an excuse made up by people who don't diet or workout right as an excuse. Perhaps it was eating right, and more drugs that got ronnie where he was.
the thing with ronnie, he did workout correctly before he got with chad - by natural standards that was 1/3 of the pie - so he did look good already, when he got with brian dobson he took gear, thats 2/3 of the pie, he grew again, and won a few contests. then he got with chad, sorted his nurtition and optimised his drug use, thats 3/3 of the pie and a top bodybuilder is born.
no one would have believed ronnie was a genetic marvel in 1995, just as no pro is a genetic marvel untill they take the gear and increase their food.
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no one would have believed ronnie was a genetic marvel in 1995, just as no pro is a genetic marvel untill they take the gear and increase their food.
Ok, this is the last one I got on this thread. First, when referring to genetics we are talking about genes. When talking about genes you're talking about something you are born with and not something that can be altered by training, drugs, grape kool aide or anything else. It's genetic, inherent, you're born with it. Anyway, I beg to differ when you say nobody saw the genetic potential of Ronnie in the early days. I've read stories of individuals who met Ronnie when he first started serious training and they swear up and down they could see the genetic potential in him from Jump Street. I don't know because obviously I wasn't there. Here are some pics from the Ronnie's early days. I'm not exactly sure when they were taken but it's obvious it was a pretty long time ago. Tell me if you can't see a future Mr. O. in this young Ronnie Coleman. Come on now, tell the truth!!!!!!!
Ok, that's it for me. I'm out. Time for me to go get right and get my genetic potential on. Gotta hit some shoulders tonight. Thanks for the conversation.
Ronnie Colemans Record Pre 1995
1995 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 6th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Ukraine -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Night of Champions -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 11th
1994 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 15th
1993 IFBB Chicago Pro Invitational -- 6th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 6th
1993 IFBB Niagara Falls Pro Invitational -- 6th
1991 NPC Nationals -- 4th Heavyweight
1991 IFBB World Amateur Championships -- 1st Heavyweight
1990 NPC Nationals -- 3rd Heavyweight
1990 Mr. Texas -- 1st Heavyweight & Overall
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Flex would be a dismal failure as a natural competitor. A large aspect of his genetic advantage is his response to gear. Without it, as we have seen, he would simply be skinny. And we would never be able to see what his physique would truly be capable of naturally, as he lacks any measure of work ethic.
I find it amusing that Flex has such an air of arrogance about him. Even if one were to acknowledge him as a genetic superior, is that a logical basis for such arrogance? An admittance that only a token effort was needed for his accomplishments does little to form a credible legacy for him. He lacks the intellect to realize that his comments and conduct only serve to detract from what he achieved in his career.
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Ok, this is the last one I got on this thread. First, when referring to genetics we are talking about genes. When talking about genes you're talking about something you are born with and not something that can be altered by training, drugs, grape kool aide or anything else. It's genetic, inherent, you're born with it. Anyway, I beg to differ when you say nobody saw the genetic potential of Ronnie in the early days. I've read stories of individuals who met Ronnie when he first started serious training and they swear up and down they could see the genetic potential in him from Jump Street. I don't know because obviously I wasn't there. Here are some pics from the Ronnie's early days. I'm not exactly sure when they were taken but it's obvious it was a pretty long time ago. Tell me if you can't see a future Mr. O. in this young Ronnie Coleman. Come on now, tell the truth!!!!!!!
Ok, that's it for me. I'm out. Time for me to go get right and get my genetic potential on. Gotta hit some shoulders tonight. Thanks for the conversation.
Ronnie Colemans Record Pre 1995
1995 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 6th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Ukraine -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Night of Champions -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 11th
1994 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 15th
1993 IFBB Chicago Pro Invitational -- 6th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 6th
1993 IFBB Niagara Falls Pro Invitational -- 6th
1991 NPC Nationals -- 4th Heavyweight
1991 IFBB World Amateur Championships -- 1st Heavyweight
1990 NPC Nationals -- 3rd Heavyweight
1990 Mr. Texas -- 1st Heavyweight & Overall
clearly he didn't look like a genetic marvel at the mr o 94, or 95 where he finished 15th and 11th ::) unless you are claiming everyone of those contestants that finished above him were genetically superior?
isn't it more likely that the extra food and more drugs made him the 300lb monster we all know now.
those pics were after that period i would have thought as he has a met-rx hat on. he was much smaller untill around 1997.
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Ok, this is the last one I got on this thread. First, when referring to genetics we are talking about genes. When talking about genes you're talking about something you are born with and not something that can be altered by training, drugs, grape kool aide or anything else. It's genetic, inherent, you're born with it. Anyway, I beg to differ when you say nobody saw the genetic potential of Ronnie in the early days. I've read stories of individuals who met Ronnie when he first started serious training and they swear up and down they could see the genetic potential in him from Jump Street. I don't know because obviously I wasn't there. Here are some pics from the Ronnie's early days. I'm not exactly sure when they were taken but it's obvious it was a pretty long time ago. Tell me if you can't see a future Mr. O. in this young Ronnie Coleman. Come on now, tell the truth!!!!!!!
Ok, that's it for me. I'm out. Time for me to go get right and get my genetic potential on. Gotta hit some shoulders tonight. Thanks for the conversation.
Ronnie Colemans Record Pre 1995
1995 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 6th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Ukraine -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Night of Champions -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 11th
1994 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 15th
1993 IFBB Chicago Pro Invitational -- 6th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 6th
1993 IFBB Niagara Falls Pro Invitational -- 6th
1991 NPC Nationals -- 4th Heavyweight
1991 IFBB World Amateur Championships -- 1st Heavyweight
1990 NPC Nationals -- 3rd Heavyweight
1990 Mr. Texas -- 1st Heavyweight & Overall
Damn, Ron is in better condition there than any Olympia win, check the striated quads in the last photo :o