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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Stavios on November 21, 2008, 09:28:48 AM
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speak on this ;D
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You pretty much summed it up already.
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No it doesn't (well, except for the trained muscles being sore all week long ;D )
If you are really "addicted" you can bridge with GH/SLIN.
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stavios you know what the solution is dude 8)
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stavios you know what the solution is dude 8)
I care tooo much for my health to stay on all the time !
plus, I stayed on for a few months before the show and I didn't feel the juice at the end.
no I have been off since late august and I get back on december 15 only !
than feb 15 I'll be off again
than april 15 I'll be on again for the start of the diet
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I care tooo much for my health to stay on all the time !
plus, I stayed on for a few months before the show and I didn't feel the juice at the end.
no I have been off since late august and I get back on december 15 only !
than feb 15 I'll be off again
than april 15 I'll be on again for the start of the diet
We're starting again the same day! Except I am on until the beginning of April. Can't wait.
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We're starting again the same day! Except I am on until the beginning of April. Can't wait.
we are brothers of seringes ;D
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speak on this ;D
Get back on the train, Stavios!
Don't let the dream die now!
The Darkside awaits........
DIV
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speak on this ;D
when i come off i get really motivated to train hard, eat clean, and grow naturally...i think im actually more motivated when im off then when im on...everytime i pack on more muslce naturally im that much more of a freak when im on the sauce...
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when i come off i get really motivated to train hard, eat clean, and grow naturally...i think im actually more motivated when im off then when im on...everytime i pack on more muslce naturally im that much more of a freak when im on the sauce...
more power to you then..
for most of us its quite the opposite ;)
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when i come off i get really motivated to train hard, eat clean, and grow naturally...i think im actually more motivated when im off then when im on...everytime i pack on more muslce naturally im that much more of a freak when im on the sauce...
I was like this after my first cycle !
than I realised I didn't grow for shit until I got back on ;D
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being off is great!
I start fitting into my clothes again. :D
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for me when I come off the first week or so it is alot mental...of not being on
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I have inverse roid rage. When I'm off cycle I'm moody as a whore on the rag and I can't stop becoming aggravated with my physique. While on cycle I'm content. Everything in tranquil, I am at peace. Being off blows dick.
Starting to run some GH for the first time and thinking of adding a little slin. I've tried a couple units before and got a pump like none other. I'd keep it extremely low dosage and bridge to the next cycle. There are times when I think "fuck it" and seriously contemplate being on forever. Bah!! lol ;D
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+1 for inverse roid rage. i learned that i must get all i can out of a cycle for me to be satisfied ie: not doin an 8 week cycle. next one is a 15 week bulk with a 6 week cut following. should get some quality gains. starting sooooooon cant wait......
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plus, I stayed on for a few months before the show and I didn't feel the juice at the end.
i think once you reach a certain point with a certain 'stack', the gains slow down to a little better than natural paced... example.. for a 200 lb guy lets say he takes 500mg ew and shoots up to 235 over 5 months... then he hits a wall and now gains very slowly... unless he increases the dose or adds in another compound or something..then hell shoot up to his maximum weight for that 'stacvk' then progress will slow once again to a bit above natural..
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i think once you reach a certain point with a certain 'stack', the gains slow down to a little better than natural paced... example.. for a 200 lb guy lets say he takes 500mg ew and shoots up to 235 over 5 months... then he hits a wall and now gains very slowly... unless he increases the dose or adds in another compound or something..then hell shoot up to his maximum weight for that 'stacvk' then progress will slow once again to a bit above natural..
Switching esters helps this, like giong from test c to test e. I switch up my HRT this way.
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After 8 weeks or so I don't really feel "on". I think I'm gonna do some cruising in between blasts with compounds that I know work well, deca, tren, etc... it's important to know how to come off good though.
First cycle I did, my PCT got obliterated when I was moving to a friends place. The only guy I knew in town was away and I just had to deal with losing all my gains. Was going through a rough time too, got sick even... lol... but ah well, live and learn. It's good to experiment before staying on longer. I think I'm going to do a bit of blasting and cruising next cycle, now that I know how I respond to tren :)
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i think once you reach a certain point with a certain 'stack', the gains slow down to a little better than natural paced... example.. for a 200 lb guy lets say he takes 500mg ew and shoots up to 235 over 5 months... then he hits a wall and now gains very slowly... unless he increases the dose or adds in another compound or something..then hell shoot up to his maximum weight for that 'stacvk' then progress will slow once again to a bit above natural..
Like Emmortal said, switching esters does help out with this but that's not the absolute solution to the problem.
If a guy who weighs 200lbs is taking 500mg/wk and goes up to 235lbs (assuming a large portion of his new weight is muscle) once he hits a plateau he simply needs to up his calories. He could stay on the same dose, up his calories and continue to grow in a positive manner. The gains would also be more maintainable if he did this with food rather then relying only on more AAS.
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Like Emmortal said, switching esters does help out with this but that's not the absolute solution to the problem.
If a guy who weighs 200lbs is taking 500mg/wk and goes up to 235lbs (assuming a large portion of his new weight is muscle) once he hits a plateau he simply needs to up his calories. He could stay on the same dose, up his calories and continue to grow in a positive manner. The gains would also be more maintainable if he did this with food rather then relying only on more AAS.
Well said.
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Like Emmortal said, switching esters does help out with this but that's not the absolute solution to the problem.
If a guy who weighs 200lbs is taking 500mg/wk and goes up to 235lbs (assuming a large portion of his new weight is muscle) once he hits a plateau he simply needs to up his calories. He could stay on the same dose, up his calories and continue to grow in a positive manner. The gains would also be more maintainable if he did this with food rather then relying only on more AAS.
Some people refer to this phenomenon as "anabolic lag".
Given the choice most people prefer to lean on the Anabolic fix rather than alter diet or training.
DIV
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once he hits a plateau he simply needs to up his calories.
i notice that, however i think its also a temporary fix and youll only baloon up to a certain point by increasing food as i theorize that for every individual each "stack" (combination of compounds and doseages) there is a 'set point' which will be rapidly met (rapidly being used in relation to natural gorwth or growth once youve reached 'set point' with a doseage)... and also i dont know about you btu after a certain point i really cant eat anymore..
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ive been off since late august as well. sucks
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Week 10 here, come off in 2 weeks.
Up +25 lbs.
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ive been off since late august as well. sucks
ive been off since september 1st and im still a monster in the gym...i upped my calories and bulking right now putting on some quality size...i respond well to natural training as well...I feel like i get that much more out of my aas if im naturally jacked upp...
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Some people refer to this phenomenon as "anabolic lag".
Given the choice most people prefer to lean on the Anabolic fix rather than alter diet or training.
DIV
Agreed.
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speak on this ;D
It's time to get Stavios back on the anabolic train. :-\
DIV
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It's time to get Stavios back on the anabolic train. :-\
DIV
Jesus, I wish I never had to hop OFF the anabolic train. AAS is cheap enough, it's not about money... but health. Stupid health. If I could, I'd just stay on forever dammit!!!! Bah!!! lol
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It's time to get Stavios back on the anabolic train. :-\
DIV
if it was just me, I would mega dose all year long ;D
shame I have to think about that stupid thing called "health" >:(
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I know how you feel dustin
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I know lots of guys who never come off... their health is fine.
It's the asymptomatic health affects that you need to worry about. Until you prostate swells up to the size of a grapefruit, you may seem perfectly fine on the surface. Permanent damage to your body's endocrine system may not be detected until you've long passed the point of no return - I know this is debatable, but I wouldn't want to spend countless hours visiting endocrinologists and trying different hormonal concoctions just to return my hormones to normal levels.
Trust me, I'm sure anyone who's stuck a needle in their ass has probably put some serious and in depth consideration for this. I'm damn near willing to take the bullet, but I'd like to wait until I'm a little older. I'll definitely be on a good TRT program when I'm around 40, whether it's self administered or legally prescribed. It's just a matter of should I mess myself now, or later when I'll be on the decline anyway. :)
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For some reason steroids reduce my training drive. I get lazy. When off I find myself going to the gym more days of the week.
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I know lots of guys who never come off... their health is fine.
I am just scared to fuck up my HPTA for life and also not be able to have kids
who knows if I'll still want to shot myself in 20 years :-\
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if it was just me, I would mega dose all year long ;D
shame I have to think about that stupid thing called "health" >:(
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I know how you feel dustin
Don't megadose, then, Stavios.
Keep at something reasonable and stay on it for an extended period.
If you're going for professional bodybuilding it doesn't pay to come off at all.
Make your choice and live with it.
DIV
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Don't megadose, then, Stavios.
Keep at something reasonable and stay on it for an extended period.
If you're going for professional bodybuilding it doesn't pay to come off at all.
Make your choice and live with it.
DIV
smart man, wise words
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I am not going for professional bodybuilding at all
1. I don't have the genetics for that
2. I don't have the genetics for that ;D
I do it just for fun, I have no hopes of even placing high at a national show.
I see some of my friends looking 10 times better than I do and they take half my doses, so it brought me back to earth
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I am not going for professional bodybuilding at all
1. I don't have the genetics for that
2. I don't have the genetics for that ;D
I do it just for fun, I have no hopes of even placing high at a national show.
I see some of my friends looking 10 times better than I do and they take half my doses, so it brought me back to earth
Then stop wasting your money and take small amounts over longer periods of time......
It's about feeling better and being able to improve your health, not tear it down...
AAS should supplement your lifestyle, not take it over.
DIV
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Then stop wasting your money and take small amounts over longer periods of time......
It's about feeling better and being able to improve your health, not tear it down...
AAS should supplement your lifestyle, not take it over.
DIV
but what about my balls ? :o
I want to have kids someday, if I stay on all the time, won't it fuck up my body for good ?
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I heard some people can come off and they can recover after years of use, your body is amazing at recovering. I don't worry too much about my health, we all die eventually.
jt
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but what about my balls ? :o
I want to have kids someday, if I stay on all the time, won't it fuck up my body for good ?
The longterm incidence of sterility from AAS are clearly overstated.
Many of these IFBB pros who stay on for years at a time have children later without incident.
Look at Arnold.
He megadosed on AAS for years and still had kids.
Granted, his body looks like shit now, but that because of heart surgery and age.
DIV
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I don't miss it too much.
Been off for well over a year.
the first 8 months off i trained really hard, even made some decent gains.
Hurricane Ike hits and i've been to the gym maybe once a week since then.
Oddly enough my values are almost exactly the same as they were when i started juicing 7 years ago. BP is actually lower.
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I don't miss it too much.
Been off for well over a year.
the first 8 months off i trained really hard, even made some decent gains.
Hurricane Ike hits and i've been to the gym maybe once a week since then.
Oddly enough my values are almost exactly the same as they were when i started juicing 7 years ago. BP is actually lower.
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You mean you didn't start killing people & stealing because of steroids? ;D
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You mean you didn't start killing people & stealing because of steroids? ;D
Maybe i'm unique, but nope.
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Haha LMAO. Come on Overload, we all know you were out looting because of steroids. Just admit it ;D
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Haha LMAO. Come on Overload, we all know you were out looting because of steroids. Just admit it ;D
I promise the plasma looked broken, i was just trying to help "clean up"... :D
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Haha I knew it. Just doing my daily good deed!
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I don't miss it too much.
Been off for well over a year.
the first 8 months off i trained really hard, even made some decent gains.
Hurricane Ike hits and i've been to the gym maybe once a week since then.
Oddly enough my values are almost exactly the same as they were when i started juicing 7 years ago. BP is actually lower.
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Overload,
Someone like you doesn't just jump off the AAS train.
I think it's time for you to turn back to the Darkside.
Hurricane or not, excuses or not......
I think the time has come for you to take responsibility for your lifting again.
DIV
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Overload,
Someone like you doesn't just jump off the AAS train.
I think it's time for you to turn back to the Darkside.
Hurricane or not, excuses or not......
I think the time has come for you to take responsibility for your lifting again.
DIV
I agree 100%.
The wheels are in motion.
I need to get everything in line before i consider using again.
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Agreed, if you are going for a pro card then there is a span of years you have to go hard and be very disciplined in diet and training.
Don't megadose, then, Stavios.
Keep at something reasonable and stay on it for an extended period.
If you're going for professional bodybuilding it doesn't pay to come off at all.
Make your choice and live with it.
DIV
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I agree 100%.
The wheels are in motion.
I need to get everything in line before i consider using again.
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That's what I thought.
It appears the book has not closed on Overload as some had previously thought.
DIV
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That's what I thought.
It appears the book has not closed on Overload as some had previously thought.
DIV
very smart man