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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
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Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
That would be a great idea.
Look Coach.
A country like Japan has a very low military budget.
Yet they aren't being a major target for terrorists.
The same thing could be said for eg Norway, which is an ally to USA in the NATO.
What's your take on this?
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That would be a great idea.
Look Coach.
A country like Japan has a very low military budget.
Yet they aren't being a major target for terrorists.
The same thing could be said for eg Norway, which is an ally to USA in the NATO.
What's your take on this?
The only countries being hit are the military top dogs, US and Britain and to an extent countries with a large mulsim minority, France, Spain etc.
Japan never gets involved in jack shit and has a tiny muslim demographic, so that example is null.
Wonder if members of the peaceful religion of islam are the perpetrators in this attack? ::)
Seriously, frank debate about islamic ideology would do everyone (except muslims and the progression of islam) wonders.
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Japanese don't let Muslims infest their country and their culture like the U.S. and Europe does. That's the biggest reason why they don't suffer from terrorism. I mean America is becoming a fucking joke. We admire other countries like Japan for embracing their culture and identity yet we are criticized as ethnocentric racists if we do it in America. I mean when another minority requires you to put footbaths in your airports something is very fucking wrong with that picture.
The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do. Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy.
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Japanese don't let Muslims infest their country and their culture like the U.S. and Europe does. That's the biggest reason why they don't suffer from terrorism. I mean America is becoming a fucking joke. We admire other countries like Japan for embracing their culture and identity yet we are criticized as ethnocentric racists if we do it in America. I mean when another minority requires you to put footbaths in your airports something is very fucking wrong with that picture.
The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do. Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy.
Japanes admire other cultures more than their own, that is why their Anime and Manga (billion dolloar industries) has nothing but white people with Japanese names. it's a huge problem...
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Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
The sad part about ultra conservatives like you is that because Obama politically ideology is different from yours you sit around all day & pray he fails. Now I never like George Bush but I never sat around wishing he would mess the country up.
Note: You also never answered who's supposed to pay back the trillions the conservatives have borrowed?
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mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember? ;)
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mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember? ;)
Well that's no fun.
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mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember? ;)
Come on Rob you know that it doesn't count because McCain said it. ;)
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Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
once again chicken hawk(too weak to serve your country in the military) you are fuckin wrong. by the way, did the army reject you for being too short, a drug abuser, for being a complete retard or just too chicken to serve?
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The only countries being hit are the military top dogs, US and Britain and to an extent countries with a large mulsim minority, France, Spain etc.
Japan never gets involved in jack shit and has a tiny muslim demographic, so that example is null.
Wonder if members of the peaceful religion of islam are the perpetrators in this attack? ::)
Seriously, frank debate about islamic ideology would do everyone (except muslims and the progression of islam) wonders.
Nordic, it isn't just Islam; sure it's part of it but it mainly foreign policy.
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We definitely need to spend more on military...
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Rank Country Military expenditures (USD) Date of information
— World Total 1,470,000,000,000 2008[1]
— NATO Total 1,049,875,309,000
1 United States 711,000,000,000 2009[2]
— European Union Total 311,920,000,000 2007[3]
2 France 61,571,330,000 2008-2009[4]
3 United Kingdom 61,280,890,000 2008[5]
4 People's Republic of China 61,036,400,000 2008[6]
5 Russia 50,000,000,000 2009[7][8]
6 Japan 48,860,000,000 2008[9]
7 Germany 45,930,000,000 2008[10]
8 Italy 40,060,000,000 2008 (est.)[citation needed]
9 Saudi Arabia 31,050,000,000 2008[11]
10 South Korea 28,940,000,000 2008[12]
11 India 26,500,000,000 2008-2009[1]
12 Australia 24,802,000,000 2008[13]
13 Brazil 23,972,836,012 2009[14]
14 Turkey 22,066,134,000 2008[15]
15 Canada 18,695,342,000 2008-2009[16]
16 Iraq 17,900,000,000 2008
17 Spain 17,700,000,000 2008[citation needed]
18 Netherlands 12,000,000,000 2008[17]
19 Poland 11,791,000,000 2009[18]
20 Republic of China (Taiwan) 10,500,000,000 2008
21 Israel 9,444,000,000 2007
22 Greece 7,934,000,000 2007[19]
23 Pakistan 7,800,000,000 2008
24 Singapore 7,129,400,000 2007
25 Sweden 6,309,137,714 2007[20]
26 Iran 6,300,000,000 2005[21]
27 Mexico 6,070,000,000 2006[22][23]
28 Norway 5,725,000,000 2007
29 North Korea 5,500,000,000 2005[24]
30 Chile 5,193,000,000 2007[25]
31 Thailand 5,000,000,000 2009 [26]
32 Indonesia 4,740,000,000 2008
33 Argentina 4,300,000,000 NA
34 South Africa 4,067,879,840 2008-2009[27]
35 Belgium 4,000,000,000 2007[28]
36 Venezuela 4,000,000,000 2007
37 Portugal 3,497,800,000 2003
38 Colombia 3,300,000,000 2005
39 Egypt 3,300,000,000 2003[29]
40 Denmark 3,271,600,000 2003
41 Vietnam 3,200,000,000 2005 [30]
42 Kuwait 3,007,000,000 2005
43 Algeria 2,994,000,000 2005
44 Austria 2,978,000,000 FY08[31]
45 Romania 2,900,000,000 2007[32]
46 Czech Republic 2,840,000,000 2008[33]
47 Finland 2,800,000,000 FY06
48 Switzerland 2,548,000,000 2005
49 Azerbaijan 2,460,000,000 2009[34][35]
50 Morocco 2,306,000,000 2005
51 Ukraine 2,066,806,000 2008[36]
52 Angola 2,000,000,000 2005
53 Peru 1,829,300,000 2008 [37]
54 Malaysia 1,690,000,000 NA
55 Sri Lanka 1,610,000,000 2008-2009[citation needed]
56 United Arab Emirates 1,600,000,000 NA
57 New Zealand 1,526,000,000 2008
58 Slovakia 1,408,000,000 2008
59 Jordan 1,392,000,000 2005
60 Hungary 1,376,000,000 2007
61 Philippines 1,348,000,000 2007
62 Libya 1,300,000,000 2007
63 Ireland 1,300,000,000 2007
64 Serbia 1,200,000,000 2007
65 Georgia 1,200,000,000 2007
66 Croatia 1,140,000,000 2008
67 Yemen 992,200,000 2005
68 Syria 858,000,000 2005
69 Bangladesh 836,900,000 2007
70 Nigeria 737,600,000 2005
71 Bulgaria 730,000,000 2007
72 Qatar 694,000,000 2005
73 Cuba 694,000,000 NA
74 Bahrain 627,700,000 2005
75 Lithuania 621,000,000 2007
76 Sudan 587,000,000 2004
77 Lebanon 540,600,000 2004
78 Armenia 495,000,000 2009[38]
79 Belarus 420,500,000 2006
80 Ethiopia 400,000,000 2008/9[39][40]
81 Cyprus 384,000,000 NA
82 Uruguay 371,200,000 2005
83 Slovenia 370,000,000 2007
84 Tunisia 356,000,000 NA
85 Madagascar 329,000,000 2005
86 Botswana 325,500,000 2005
87 Brunei 290,700,000 2004
88 Kenya 280,500,000 2005
89 Estonia 259,000,000 FY06
90 Oman 252,990,000 2005
91 Côte d'Ivoire 246,600,000 2005
92 Albania 235,000,000 2007
93 Bosnia and Herzegovina 234,300,000 NA
94 Luxembourg 231,076,480 2003
95 Cameroon 230,200,000 2005
96 Kazakhstan 221,800,000 FY02
97 Eritrea 220,100,000 2005
98 Uzbekistan 200,000,000 NA
99 Uganda 192,800,000 2005
100 Dominican Republic 180,000,000 FY98
101 Guatemala 169,800,000 2005
102 El Salvador 161,700,000 2005
103 Equatorial Guinea 152,200,000 2005
104 Panama 150,000,000 2005
105 Namibia 149,500,000 2005
106 Bolivia 130,000,000 2005
107 Zimbabwe 124,700,000 2005
108 Afghanistan 122,400,000 2005
109 Zambia 121,700,000 2005
110 Guinea 119,700,000 2005
111 Republic of Macedonia 117,710,000 2006
112 Senegal 117,300,000 2005
113 Cambodia 112,000,000 NA
114 Mali 106,300,000 2005
115 Nepal 104,900,000 2005
116 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 103,700,000 2005
117 Benin 100,900,000 2005
118 Honduras 99,410,000 2005
119 Turkmenistan 90,000,000 NA
120 Latvia 87,000,000 2007
121 Congo, Republic of the 85,220,000 2005
122 Ghana 83,650,000 2005
123 Costa Rica 83,460,000 2005
124 Mozambique 78,030,000 2005
125 Burkina Faso 74,830,000 2005
126 Chad 68,950,000 2005
127 Liberia 67,400,000 2005
128 Trinidad and Tobago 66,720,000 2003
129 Rwanda 53,660,000 2005
130 Paraguay 53,100,000 2003
131 Maldives 45,070,000 2005
132 guy 44,780,000 2005
133 Malta 44,640,000 2005
134 Burundi 43,900,000 2005
135 Swaziland 41,600,000 2005
136 Lesotho 41,100,000 2005
137 Burma NA NA
138 Fiji 36,000,000 2004
139 Tajikistan 35,400,000 FY01
140 Nicaragua 32,270,000 2005
141 Jamaica 31,170,000 2003
142 Togo 29,980,000 2005
143 Djibouti 29,050,000 2005
144 Iceland 26,000,000 2008[41]
145 Haiti 25,960,000 2003
146 Mongolia 23,100,000 FY02
147 Somalia 22,340,000 2005
148 Tanzania 21,200,000 2005
149 Mauritania 19,320,000 2005
150 Kyrgyzstan 19,200,000 FY01
151 Belize 19,000,000 2005
152 Papua New Guinea 16,900,000 2003
153 Central African Republic 16,370,000 2005
154 Malawi 15,810,000 2005
155 Seychelles 14,850,000 2005
156 Sierra Leone 14,250,000 2005
157 Comoros 12,870,000 2005
158 Mauritius 12,040,000 2005
159 Laos 11,040,000 2005
160 Guinea-Bissau 9,455,000 2005
161 Moldova 8,700,000 2004
162 Bhutan 8,281,000 2005
163 Suriname 7,494,000 2005
164 Cape Verde 7,178,000 2005
165 Guyana 6,479,000 2003
166 East Timor 4,400,000 FY03
167 Bermuda, UK overseas territory 4,030,000 2001
168 Gambia, The 1,547,000 2004
169 San Marino 700,000 2005
170 São Tomé and Príncipe 581,700 2004
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Japanes admire other cultures more than their own, that is why their Anime and Manga (billion dolloar industries) has nothing but white people with Japanese names. it's a huge problem...
LOL you ever been to japan bro? that culture is so deep rooted you have no idea.
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LOL you ever been to japan bro? that culture is so deep rooted you have no idea.
Donkeykong is getbig's Japan expert.
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Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
You can't fight terrorists with the military. Terrorist don't come out and say "Hey I'm a terrorist let's play Cowboys and Indians", they go along quietly pretending they're just like any other civilian until they are ready to strike. What you need to fight terrorists is intelligence and good police work as well as a watchful population.
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Come on Rob you know that it doesn't count because McCain said it. ;)
I think there are probably plenty of wasteful things that can be cut, and useful things that need more funding.
The govt contractors should be investigated as well for their pricing streucture.
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Nordic, it isn't just Islam; sure it's part of it but it mainly foreign policy.
That is utter nonsense.
Islamic peoples have for their entire history engaged in warfare with everyone and anyone not like themselves, even well before the US existed!
They move from one piss poor excuse to another as to why commit their savage acts. Its a tired story by now.
Wherever islam exists there is warfare, its that simple. Read your history. The Koran advocates war and has propmted its followers to do just that since the begninnig.
This did not start with the USA and wont end their either.
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I think Nordic is a little off in his rhetorics, but essentially he's right.
It's just not only 'extreme' Islam that is a problem.
The religion in itself is fundamentally imperialistic and it is also fundamentalist by nature - it's not open to interpretation or to evolve.
But Islam can't be defeated with weapons.
Islam picks up a huge following in war ridden 3rd world countries.
Islam is defeated if you set up rules in your society and forces everyone to follow them, and through education.
Some multi-culti huggers, like jaguar on this board, like to fight for women's rights on home court.
But when it comes to the usual worst countries in the world for a woman to live in, eg Iran, they always keep quiet.
Essentially, Nordic is right.
Did I just write that?
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I think Nordic is a little off in his rhetorics, but essentially he's right.
It's just not only 'extreme' Islam that is a problem.
The religion in itself is fundamentally imperialistic and it is also fundamentalist by nature - it's not open to interpretation or to evolve.
But Islam can't be defeated with weapons.
Islam picks up a huge following in war ridden 3rd world countries.
Islam is defeated if you set up rules in your society and forces everyone to follow them, and through education.
Some multi-culti huggers, like jaguar on this board, like to fight for women's rights on home court.
But when it comes to the usual worst countries in the world for a woman to live in, eg Iran, they always keep quiet.
Essentially, Nordic is right.
Did I just write that?
99.9% of the time I an correct on these matters. Prove me wrong!
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That is utter nonsense.
Islamic peoples have for their entire history engaged in warfare with everyone and anyone not like themselves, even well before the US existed!
They move from one piss poor excuse to another as to why commit their savage acts. Its a tired story by now.
Wherever islam exists there is warfare, its that simple. Read your history. The Koran advocates war and has propmted its followers to do just that since the begninnig.
This did not start with the USA and wont end their either.
I said it is both Islam and Foreign Policy. US foreign policy exacerbates things tenfold. If the US had minded its own business it might have had fewer enemies but the US imperialist policy has made it too late for that.
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Agreed. Countries must set up rules and make islamic immigrants follow the parent country's rules. Many muslims do not assimilate and much of their religion & beliefs are rigid and outdated.
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Agreed. Countries must set up rules and make islamic immigrants follow the parent country's rules. Many muslims do not assimilate and much of their religion & beliefs are rigid and outdated.
Bingo. Do what you want in your land, but once you come here you must assimilate.
Sadly, the US does a poor job of this. I mean go to any Department of Motor Vehicles in the States and the written part of the road test is offered in Spanish. Fucking pathetic.
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13 year old American girl among the dead. Wonderful people these Muslims are.
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We definitely need to spend more on military...
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Rank Country Military expenditures (USD) Date of information
— World Total 1,470,000,000,000 2008[1]
— NATO Total 1,049,875,309,000
146 Mongolia 23,100,000 FY02
My, how the mighty have fallen.....
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13 year old American girl among the dead. Wonderful people these Muslims are.
And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror? I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims. But let's keep this shit real. If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist. How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis? I don't hear you shedding a tear over them? Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish.
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And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror? I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims. But let's keep this shit real. If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist. How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis? I don't hear you shedding a tear over them? Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish.
Why do the majority of those Palestinian children die? Well, because Hamas and their fathers who are fighting have no problem hiding alongside them or launching their rockets from their own rooftops. Israel retaliates and children die because of their cowardly tactics of hiding right with their families and among children. Serves a wonderful propaganda purpose when a few children die in the retaliation attack. I didn't see you shed a tear when that Palestinian gunman walked into a Jewish school and executed 8 kids last year. I don't see you shedding a tear for the 6,000 rockets launched at the civilian town of Sderot in the first 6 months of 08. So don't call me out about dead Palestinian children. ::)
You're a complete fool if you think the US has killed more women and children than Muslim extremists. Women and children are caught in the crossfire of almost every single Muslim act. The amount the US has killed pales in comparison to the women and children killed by Muslim hands.
Unless of course you want to blame the US for dousing a 5 year old child in gasoline and lighting him on fire. The US forced all those Iraqis to start killing each other! ::)
11/25/2008 Pakistan Kohat 0 0 Four persons, including a mother and child, are killed when sectarian Jihadis fire into a vehicle.
11/25/2008 India Baramulla 1 2 A 14-year-old boy is killed when Islamists throw a grenade into a roadshow.
11/24/2008 Iraq Baghdad 13 6 Women and children are heavily represented in the thirteen bus passengers massacred by Mujahideen bombers.
11/24/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 Religious extremists execute a woman in her home for immoral behavior.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Khost 2 15 A 15-year-old boy and a man are blown to bits when Holy Warriors bomb a vegetable market.
11/22/2008 Iraq Iskandariya 10 0 Two women are among ten people found executed in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Hangu 5 8 Two children are among five killed when Islamists set a bomb off inside a rival mosque.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
That's just from 11/22/2008 until today. Not even counting all the women and young adults killed the India attacks. LOL!
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Why do the majority of those Palestinian children die? Well, because Hamas and their fathers who are fighting have no problem hiding alongside them or launching their rockets from their own rooftops. Israel retaliates and children die because of their cowardly tactics of hiding right with their families and among children.
But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.
What do you think about that?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just interested in your take on this dilemma.
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But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.
What do you think about that?
What are they supposed to do? Turn a blind eye to the terrorists? Do that and they'll never stop attacking. There were 6,000 rockets and mortars launched at Sderot in the first six months of 2008. As far as I know, there are no Israeli military establishments there, just civilians.
What do you think will happen if they don't retaliate? The terrorists will just feel empowered and attack even more. It's unfortunate that these children die but I think the majority of the blame falls on their fathers and Hamas who purposely launch their attacks from school rooftops and what not just so that children will die when Israel retaliates.
It's a sad situation but the difference, to me, is that the US, the West and Israel don't set out with the purpose of killing women/children/civilians while Muslims set out with that specific goal in my mind. Is my view right? Don't know. But it's how I look at it. Casualties are unavoidable in war. It's sad that these children die, but what can you do about it? I'm not defending Israel, either. I'm just looking at the fact that they only act in a retaliatory manner.
The Palestinian children wouldn't die if Hamas wasn't hellbent on launching rockets at Israel Civilians.
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Let's see...Indonesia 1965...our coup led to 600,000 dead people...
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No one forces Muslims to kill each other whenever something political happens. ;)
Them and the Africans. Can't settle anything like intellectuals. Their "intellectual debates" involve mass murder. Always been that way, will continue to be until they wake the fuck up.
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No one forces Muslims to kill each other whenever something political happens. ;)
Them and the Africans. Can't settle anything like intellectuals. Their "intellectual debates" involve mass murder. Always been that way, will continue to be until they wake the fuck up.
Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???
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Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???
I don't know too many Americans who turn to killing their countrymen every time a political issue comes up? Maybe in the 1800s. How many car bombings do you see around here?
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I don't know too many Americans who turn to killing their countrymen every time a political issue comes up? Maybe in the 1800s. How many car bombings do you see around here?
No, but our government doesn't exactly like intellectual settling of things...
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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
Is the Obama camp talking about the same Terrorist Threat that the Libs say is just made up by the Bush Admin?
Surely they don't believe that propaganda.
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No, but our government doesn't exactly like intellectual settling of things...
I'm not talking about the "intellectual" settling of things. All governments across the world do scumbaggish things. You're vendetta against the USA is hilarious considering we're no different from the rest of the superpowers. More efficient? Yes. Different? Not really.
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I'm not talking about the "intellectual" settling of things. All governments across the world do scumbaggish things. You're vendetta against the USA is hilarious considering we're no different from the rest of the superpowers. More efficient? Yes. Different? Not really.
No vendetta against the US...vendetta against all imperialist powers.
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No vendetta against the US...vendetta against all imperialist powers.
Fair enough.
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The U.S. has killed hundreds of children in the War on Terror. Accident or not. It doesn't matter. Children are children. We've killed a lot of innocent people in the last 20 years. Whether Nagasaki and Hiroshima were justified or not, a lot of innocent people died. Casualty of war? Absolutely. Does it make it any easier for you to swallow? I guess so. Kill em all let god sort em out right? ::)
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What are they supposed to do? Turn a blind eye to the terrorists? Do that and they'll never stop attacking. There were 6,000 rockets and mortars launched at Sderot in the first six months of 2008. As far as I know, there are no Israeli military establishments there, just civilians.
What do you think will happen if they don't retaliate? The terrorists will just feel empowered and attack even more. It's unfortunate that these children die but I think the majority of the blame falls on their fathers and Hamas who purposely launch their attacks from school rooftops and what not just so that children will die when Israel retaliates.
It's a sad situation but the difference, to me, is that the US, the West and Israel don't set out with the purpose of killing women/children/civilians while Muslims set out with that specific goal in my mind. Is my view right? Don't know. But it's how I look at it. Casualties are unavoidable in war. It's sad that these children die, but what can you do about it? I'm not defending Israel, either. I'm just looking at the fact that they only act in a retaliatory manner.
The Palestinian children wouldn't die if Hamas wasn't hellbent on launching rockets at Israel Civilians.
Good post.
I don't think I have a better answer, for the record.
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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
wtf is the point..they all say the same thing - "we condemn these attacks...."
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The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do. Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy.
BINGO!!!
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BINGO!!!
Judy, you are hardcore...
How is being a lesbian treating you?
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And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror? I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims. But let's keep this shit real. If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist. How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis? I don't hear you shedding a tear over them? Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish.
More nonsense and self loathing garbage.
Thank god people like ypourself were not making the decisions during WW2 or i would be speaking German.
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But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.
What do you think about that?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just interested in your take on this dilemma.
So, in your mind Israel should just lye down and not do a damn thing while these terrorists plot more bomb attacks and death????
The tactics of the palestinines in hiding behind women and children is very clearly against all Geneva laws yet you dont care a wit about that.
These are beasts and savages who put suicide belts on kids, dogs, and women because they are too cowardly to do it themselves.
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Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???
Blame the USA for everything, I get it.
The islamic world since it inception has been for the most part one of war, terrorism, and atrocities.
This went on for far longer than the US has been around and will go on forever as long as people follow that pedophile Mohamed.
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So, in your mind Israel should just lye down and not do a damn thing while these terrorists plot more bomb attacks and death????
The tactics of the palestinines in hiding behind women and children is very clearly against all Geneva laws yet you dont care a wit about that.
These are beasts and savages who put suicide belts on kids, dogs, and women because they are too cowardly to do it themselves.
I don't know how much you know about the Palestine/Israel situation.
But during the 60's and 70's the Israelis would actually destroy whole Palestinian villages, literally use bulldozers and destroy any evidence of the Palestinian village before turning the area over to Israelian settlers.
That was then.
Right now, there is the great wall that has been built. Palestinians who owns land on one side of the wall and live on the other side can't tend to their crops properly.
I have a few Israelian friends, they're not too happy about the Palestinians.
But if you just look at the facts, the Palestinians are being treated like shit.
The perfect breeding ground for terrorists and fundamentalism.
So in my mind, I think the Israelis needs to stop the economic sanctions of the Palestinian areas. It is crippling the lives of the Palestinians, and only fueling their hatred for Israel.
They see the Israelis living the good life, while they themselves can't live a decent life.
You mention the Geneva laws.
I agree that it's important to follow them.
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Why dont any of the millions of other arabs help these people?
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I don't know how much you know about the Palestine/Israel situation.
But during the 60's and 70's the Israelis would actually destroy whole Palestinian villages, literally use bulldozers and destroy any evidence of the Palestinian village before turning the area over to Israelian settlers.
That was then.
Right now, there is the great wall that has been built. Palestinians who owns land on one side of the wall and live on the other side can't tend to their crops properly.
I have a few Israelian friends, they're not too happy about the Palestinians.
But if you just look at the facts, the Palestinians are being treated like shit.
The perfect breeding ground for terrorists and fundamentalism.
So in my mind, I think the Israelis needs to stop the economic sanctions of the Palestinian areas. It is crippling the lives of the Palestinians, and only fueling their hatred for Israel.
They see the Israelis living the good life, while they themselves can't live a decent life.
You mention the Geneva laws.
I agree that it's important to follow them.
Apparently they didn't do enough. How quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.
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Let's get off the Oil (ie. use alternative fuels) and leave these idiots to themselves - they won't be able to finance terrorism without the oil money.
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Apparently they didn't do enough. How quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.
Not very quiet ...you seem to forget that Pakistan also has nukes.
By that last sentence, are you implying that you have Indian children, ...or that you care about Indian children?
...who according to you are worth less than your dogs? And when you say they all need to go, who is the ALL you refer to? Pakistanis? ...Indians? or both?
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Let's get off the Oil (ie. use alternative fuels) and leave these idiots to themselves - they won't be able to finance terrorism without the oil money.
Sounds good in theory.
But do you really think that Exxon and other US oil companies would allow that?
They have one of their top guys, Cheney, as the current VP.
Their lobby is extremely powerful.
Why do you think everyone are so crazy about drilling in previously barred areas all of a sudden?
The oil lobby would much rather keep drilling there instead of USA developing alternative fuel sources.
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Sounds good in theory.
But do you really think that Exxon and other US oil companies would allow that?
They have one of their top guys, Cheney, as the current VP.
Their lobby is extremely powerful.
Why do you think everyone are so crazy about drilling in previously barred areas all of a sudden?
The oil lobby would much rather keep drilling there instead of USA developing alternative fuel sources.
There is no viable alternative to oil. We need to keep drilling domestically and maybe try something like Brazil has done.
Anyone who thinks there is a viable alternative as good as oil for the same price is delusional. It does not exist.
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Apparently they didn't do enough. How quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.
Pakistan does not have control over these regions and has not shown a willingness to take control of these savages.
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Not very quiet ...you seem to forget that Pakistan also has nukes.
By that last sentence, are you implying that you have Indian children, ...or that you care about Indian children?
...who according to you are worth less than your dogs? And when you say they all need to go, who is the ALL you refer to? Pakistanis? ...Indians? or both?
Jag, I care about my kids, American kids, American citizens...not some kid in a cave in Pakistan, and neither do u. Saying u do, does nothing for that kid. Nor do I care about some Palistinian kid. Hamas makes those kids' targets, they should care about their own damm kids, stgop arming them, teaching em hate etc, and work out a deal with Israel. Since thats fuzzy bunny land thinking, I won't hold my breath. I expect rational people to act rationally. The Russians proved they love their children too, they folded without a shot. These murderous bastards prove on a daily basis that all they embrace is hate. Fine, die in a fire then.
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There is no viable alternative to oil. We need to keep drilling domestically and maybe try something like Brazil has done.
Anyone who thinks there is a viable alternative as good as oil for the same price is delusional. It does not exist.
How do you know this?
Who told you this?
Five years ago everyone in the USA were dead positive that big SUV's were the only cars that were possible to drive.
Now there are hybrids.
Are you gonna tell me that people who's been able to fit a more powerful computer into a small mobile phone than into any type of computer that was available back in the 80's, will not be able to find solutions for how to drive our cars?
I tell you what: The Germans are already experimenting with gas cars as well as battery cars.
The Japanese already have cars running on batteries.
They're trying to find new ways.
Is the oil lobby going to be allowed to hold back the evolution of the US car industry a final time?
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U need to look at the countries doing it. Japan for instance. Hedge, have u been to Japan? They have a good transit system that many people use. Their roads are made for smaller cars and there are more of them. They also have a smaller country with less distances to travel. That would not work in Texas or Montana. Have u been to the states?
Germany has much of the same, but if u've driven on the autobahn, I find it hard to believe that many of the Germans driving big Mercs and BMW's are going to give em up to drive electric cars. We need to drill, we need natural gas, we need it all until X product is invented.
Many Americans' don't want small cars. Unless I buy a Merc, I will never buy a car again.
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How do you know this?
Who told you this?
Five years ago everyone in the USA were dead positive that big SUV's were the only cars that were possible to drive.
Now there are hybrids.
Are you gonna tell me that people who's been able to fit a more powerful computer into a small mobile phone than into any type of computer that was available back in the 80's, will not be able to find solutions for how to drive our cars?
I tell you what: The Germans are already experimenting with gas cars as well as battery cars.
The Japanese already have cars running on batteries.
They're trying to find new ways.
Is the oil lobby going to be allowed to hold back the evolution of the US car industry a final time?
You made my point. If a viable alternative existed, we would have it. If you want to believe in conspiracies that the oil companies are stopping viable alternativesm you are sadly mistaken.
Remember, not only do we need an alternative, but one that does not cost more than oil itself.
Batteries are not perfected yet for mass production of cars and ethanol and bio fuels are a wasteful joke.
Dollar for dollar, oil is still the best fuel to run vehicles.
We need to drill more of our own oil until a viable alternative exists to keep the prices stable.
If we do not, tjhe prices are going to go right back up to $4.00 a gallon.
More supply equal less cost.
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I agree, the Oil companies aren't stupid. They would love to be the ones to develop X product and bring it to market. They are already postioned to do so. U would think the libs would be all for getting out of the Middle East and drilling more here, but they're slaves to the nutbag invirowackjob wing of the Dem party.There is no compromise with these people. If u want to un intangle urself from the Saudi's, then u need domestic oil. American's aren't going to stand for a massive drop in the standard of living to appease a barn owl or woodpecker.
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U need to look at the countries doing it. Japan for instance. Hedge, have u been to Japan? They have a good transit system that many people use. Their roads are made for smaller cars and there are more of them. They also have a smaller country with less distances to travel. That would not work in Texas or Montana. Have u been to the states?
Germany has much of the same, but if u've driven on the autobahn, I find it hard to believe that many of the Germans driving big Mercs and BMW's are going to give em up to drive electric cars. We need to drill, we need natural gas, we need it all until X product is invented.
Many Americans' don't want small cars. Unless I buy a Merc, I will never buy a car again.
Japan and parts of Europe has great highspeed railway systems. That kind of infrastructure is something that could be invested in with the coming rescue package.
Also the the highway standard needs to be brought up to the level of autobahn.
I talked to a guy who worked in China. He told me that when he started working there 10 years ago, the highway to and from the airport had one lane.
And there were almost no cars.
After awhile, it started to get crowded.
Then two more lanes, top quality, were built in under two years.
On a road that stretched at least 50 miles.
I haven't been to Japan.
But I've lived in the USA for a while.
I know of the distances.
We have quite some distances too.
The gas car I was referring to was a big Audi in the luxury class.
There is development in biodiesel engines, allowing for a bigger part biodiesel.
And look at five years ago.
I know many on this board only one or two years ago argued that small cars would not sell in the USA.
But look at what brands are doing well and what brands are near bankruptcy.
It doesn't even matter if the USA starts to drill in preserved areas.
Because OPEC is cutting down its production to keep the price up anyway.
Get rid of the dependancy once and for all instead.
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There is no viable alternative to oil.
LOL... you remind me of the guy at the patent office who declared there were no uses for the computer, about a hundred years ago...
At the very least, most agree that nanotech will allow us to create unlimited amounts of damn near anything within a few generations.
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LOL... you remind me of the guy at the patent office who declared there were no uses for the computer, about a hundred years ago...
At the very least, most agree that nanotech will allow us to create unlimited amounts of damn near anything within a few generations.
Im talking about now. Other than oil, please tell me what you are going to run vehicles on in the next five years that is reliable, proven, and cost effective?????
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Ur not wrong Hedge but I disagree with some points. Here in KC (Kansas City) they tried to pass a lite rail bill. The initial plan was for one rail going north to south with one stop on either end. It was a test bed plan and would take 3 years to build. Nobody wanted it. This is a major US city without any other means to get around except bus. U see plenty of public transit on in the North East, but its a culture thing. U don't see it as much in the West etc. Small cars are selling but its regional. I'm stationed in the Mid West, u see mostly SUV's and pick-ups. I went home to Boston..East Coast...over the summer and all u see is smaller cars. Our highways are very good, maybe some need maintanance but the general layout works fine. Its funny, American companies in Europe do well, they sell smaller cars.U see alot of cars from the big 3 that u won't find in the US.
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Im talking about now. Other than oil, please tell me what you are going to run vehicles on in the next five years that is reliable, proven, and cost effective?????
in 5 years - with proper focus and funding - we can have made major inroads into another energy arena. It's possible with these things, that in 10 years we can be well into a new source and perhaps 'off' oil in 15-20 years.
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in 5 years - with proper focus and funding - we can have made major inroads into another energy arena. It's possible with these things, that in 10 years we can be well into a new source and perhaps 'off' oil in 15-20 years.
That's fine, but right now we need oil, require oil, use oil, depend on oil, for travel in cars, trucks, boats, places,
goods, products, heating, etc.
Until we have an alternative that can fill those needs, at least partially, we need to focus on domestic exploration and telling OPEC and the arabs to find a new line of work.
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I would suggest farming...o' wait can't grow shit in sand...well guess maybe they'll starve.