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Title: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 240 is Back on November 26, 2008, 09:37:17 PM

President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks. 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: The Coach on November 26, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks. 


Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on November 27, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(
That would be a great idea.

Look Coach.
A country like Japan has a very low military budget.
Yet they aren't being a major target for terrorists.
The same thing could be said for eg Norway, which is an ally to USA in the NATO.
What's your take on this? 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 27, 2008, 02:30:42 AM
That would be a great idea.

Look Coach.
A country like Japan has a very low military budget.
Yet they aren't being a major target for terrorists.
The same thing could be said for eg Norway, which is an ally to USA in the NATO.
What's your take on this? 

The only countries being hit are the military top dogs, US and Britain and to an extent countries with a large mulsim minority, France, Spain etc.

Japan never gets involved in jack shit and has a tiny muslim demographic, so that example is null.

Wonder if members of the peaceful religion of islam are the perpetrators in this attack? ::)

Seriously, frank debate about islamic ideology would do everyone (except muslims and the progression of islam) wonders.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on November 27, 2008, 02:36:32 AM
Japanese don't let Muslims infest their country and their culture like the U.S. and Europe does.  That's the biggest reason why they don't suffer from terrorism.  I mean America is becoming a fucking joke.  We admire other countries like Japan for embracing their culture and identity yet we are criticized as ethnocentric racists if we do it in America.  I mean when another minority requires you to put footbaths in your airports something is very fucking wrong with that picture. 

The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do.  Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy. 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Parker on November 27, 2008, 03:33:16 AM
Japanese don't let Muslims infest their country and their culture like the U.S. and Europe does.  That's the biggest reason why they don't suffer from terrorism.  I mean America is becoming a fucking joke.  We admire other countries like Japan for embracing their culture and identity yet we are criticized as ethnocentric racists if we do it in America.  I mean when another minority requires you to put footbaths in your airports something is very fucking wrong with that picture. 

The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do.  Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy. 

Japanes admire other cultures more than their own, that is why their Anime and Manga (billion dolloar industries) has nothing but white people with Japanese names. it's a huge problem...
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Rimbaud on November 27, 2008, 05:08:58 AM
Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(

The sad part about ultra conservatives like you is that because Obama politically ideology is different from yours you sit around all day & pray he fails. Now I never like George Bush but I never sat around wishing he would mess the country up.

Note: You also never answered who's supposed to pay back the trillions the conservatives have borrowed?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 240 is Back on November 27, 2008, 05:23:50 AM
mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember?  ;)
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: garebear on November 27, 2008, 05:32:07 AM
mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember?  ;)
Well that's no fun.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Rimbaud on November 27, 2008, 05:41:56 AM
mccain said in the campaign that he'll cut defense spending as well, remember?  ;)

Come on Rob you know that it doesn't count because McCain said it.  ;)
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 27, 2008, 08:29:30 AM
Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(

once again chicken hawk(too weak to serve your country in the military) you are fuckin wrong.  by the way, did the army reject you for being too short, a drug abuser, for being a complete retard or just too chicken to serve?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 27, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
The only countries being hit are the military top dogs, US and Britain and to an extent countries with a large mulsim minority, France, Spain etc.

Japan never gets involved in jack shit and has a tiny muslim demographic, so that example is null.

Wonder if members of the peaceful religion of islam are the perpetrators in this attack? ::)

Seriously, frank debate about islamic ideology would do everyone (except muslims and the progression of islam) wonders.

Nordic, it isn't just Islam; sure it's part of it but it mainly foreign policy.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 27, 2008, 09:58:01 AM
We definitely need to spend more on military...

 ::)

Rank   Country   Military expenditures (USD)   Date of information   
—  World Total 1,470,000,000,000 2008[1]
—  NATO Total 1,049,875,309,000 
1  United States 711,000,000,000 2009[2]
—  European Union Total 311,920,000,000 2007[3]
2  France 61,571,330,000 2008-2009[4]
3  United Kingdom 61,280,890,000 2008[5]
4  People's Republic of China 61,036,400,000 2008[6]
5  Russia 50,000,000,000 2009[7][8]
6  Japan 48,860,000,000 2008[9]
7  Germany 45,930,000,000 2008[10]
8  Italy 40,060,000,000 2008 (est.)[citation needed]
9  Saudi Arabia 31,050,000,000 2008[11]
10  South Korea 28,940,000,000 2008[12]
11  India 26,500,000,000 2008-2009[1]
12  Australia 24,802,000,000 2008[13]
13  Brazil 23,972,836,012 2009[14]
14  Turkey 22,066,134,000 2008[15]
15  Canada 18,695,342,000 2008-2009[16]
16  Iraq 17,900,000,000 2008
17  Spain 17,700,000,000 2008[citation needed]
18  Netherlands 12,000,000,000 2008[17]
19  Poland 11,791,000,000 2009[18]
20  Republic of China (Taiwan) 10,500,000,000 2008
21  Israel 9,444,000,000 2007
22  Greece 7,934,000,000 2007[19]
23  Pakistan 7,800,000,000 2008
24  Singapore 7,129,400,000 2007
25  Sweden 6,309,137,714 2007[20]
26  Iran 6,300,000,000 2005[21]
27  Mexico 6,070,000,000 2006[22][23]
28  Norway 5,725,000,000 2007
29  North Korea 5,500,000,000 2005[24]
30  Chile 5,193,000,000 2007[25]
31  Thailand 5,000,000,000 2009 [26]
32  Indonesia 4,740,000,000 2008
33  Argentina 4,300,000,000 NA
34  South Africa 4,067,879,840 2008-2009[27]
35  Belgium 4,000,000,000 2007[28]
36  Venezuela 4,000,000,000 2007
37  Portugal 3,497,800,000 2003
38  Colombia 3,300,000,000 2005
39  Egypt 3,300,000,000 2003[29]
40  Denmark 3,271,600,000 2003
41  Vietnam 3,200,000,000 2005 [30]
42  Kuwait 3,007,000,000 2005
43  Algeria 2,994,000,000 2005
44  Austria 2,978,000,000 FY08[31]
45  Romania 2,900,000,000 2007[32]
46  Czech Republic 2,840,000,000 2008[33]
47  Finland 2,800,000,000 FY06
48  Switzerland 2,548,000,000 2005
49  Azerbaijan 2,460,000,000 2009[34][35]
50  Morocco 2,306,000,000 2005
51  Ukraine 2,066,806,000 2008[36]
52  Angola 2,000,000,000 2005
53  Peru 1,829,300,000 2008 [37]
54  Malaysia 1,690,000,000 NA
55  Sri Lanka 1,610,000,000 2008-2009[citation needed]
56  United Arab Emirates 1,600,000,000 NA
57  New Zealand 1,526,000,000 2008
58  Slovakia 1,408,000,000 2008
59  Jordan 1,392,000,000 2005
60  Hungary 1,376,000,000 2007
61  Philippines 1,348,000,000 2007
62  Libya 1,300,000,000 2007
63  Ireland 1,300,000,000 2007
64  Serbia 1,200,000,000 2007
65  Georgia 1,200,000,000 2007
66  Croatia 1,140,000,000 2008
67  Yemen 992,200,000 2005
68  Syria 858,000,000 2005
69  Bangladesh 836,900,000 2007
70  Nigeria 737,600,000 2005
71  Bulgaria 730,000,000 2007
72  Qatar 694,000,000 2005
73  Cuba 694,000,000 NA
74  Bahrain 627,700,000 2005
75  Lithuania 621,000,000 2007
76  Sudan 587,000,000 2004
77  Lebanon 540,600,000 2004
78  Armenia 495,000,000 2009[38]
79  Belarus 420,500,000 2006
80  Ethiopia 400,000,000 2008/9[39][40]
81  Cyprus 384,000,000 NA
82  Uruguay 371,200,000 2005
83  Slovenia 370,000,000 2007
84  Tunisia 356,000,000 NA
85  Madagascar 329,000,000 2005
86  Botswana 325,500,000 2005
87  Brunei 290,700,000 2004
88  Kenya 280,500,000 2005
89  Estonia 259,000,000 FY06
90  Oman 252,990,000 2005
91  Côte d'Ivoire 246,600,000 2005
92  Albania 235,000,000 2007
93  Bosnia and Herzegovina 234,300,000 NA
94  Luxembourg 231,076,480 2003
95  Cameroon 230,200,000 2005
96  Kazakhstan 221,800,000 FY02
97  Eritrea 220,100,000 2005
98  Uzbekistan 200,000,000 NA
99  Uganda 192,800,000 2005
100  Dominican Republic 180,000,000 FY98
101  Guatemala 169,800,000 2005
102  El Salvador 161,700,000 2005
103  Equatorial Guinea 152,200,000 2005
104  Panama 150,000,000 2005
105  Namibia 149,500,000 2005
106  Bolivia 130,000,000 2005
107  Zimbabwe 124,700,000 2005
108  Afghanistan 122,400,000 2005
109  Zambia 121,700,000 2005
110  Guinea 119,700,000 2005
111  Republic of Macedonia 117,710,000 2006
112  Senegal 117,300,000 2005
113  Cambodia 112,000,000 NA
114  Mali 106,300,000 2005
115  Nepal 104,900,000 2005
116  Congo, Democratic Republic of the 103,700,000 2005
117  Benin 100,900,000 2005
118  Honduras 99,410,000 2005
119  Turkmenistan 90,000,000 NA
120  Latvia 87,000,000 2007
121  Congo, Republic of the 85,220,000 2005
122  Ghana 83,650,000 2005
123  Costa Rica 83,460,000 2005
124  Mozambique 78,030,000 2005
125  Burkina Faso 74,830,000 2005
126  Chad 68,950,000 2005
127  Liberia 67,400,000 2005
128  Trinidad and Tobago 66,720,000 2003
129  Rwanda 53,660,000 2005
130  Paraguay 53,100,000 2003
131  Maldives 45,070,000 2005
132  guy 44,780,000 2005
133  Malta 44,640,000 2005
134  Burundi 43,900,000 2005
135  Swaziland 41,600,000 2005
136  Lesotho 41,100,000 2005
137  Burma NA NA
138  Fiji 36,000,000 2004
139  Tajikistan 35,400,000 FY01
140  Nicaragua 32,270,000 2005
141  Jamaica 31,170,000 2003
142  Togo 29,980,000 2005
143  Djibouti 29,050,000 2005
144  Iceland 26,000,000 2008[41]
145  Haiti 25,960,000 2003
146  Mongolia 23,100,000 FY02
147  Somalia 22,340,000 2005
148  Tanzania 21,200,000 2005
149  Mauritania 19,320,000 2005
150  Kyrgyzstan 19,200,000 FY01
151  Belize 19,000,000 2005
152  Papua New Guinea 16,900,000 2003
153  Central African Republic 16,370,000 2005
154  Malawi 15,810,000 2005
155  Seychelles 14,850,000 2005
156  Sierra Leone 14,250,000 2005
157  Comoros 12,870,000 2005
158  Mauritius 12,040,000 2005
159  Laos 11,040,000 2005
160  Guinea-Bissau 9,455,000 2005
161  Moldova 8,700,000 2004
162  Bhutan 8,281,000 2005
163  Suriname 7,494,000 2005
164  Cape Verde 7,178,000 2005
165  Guyana 6,479,000 2003
166  East Timor 4,400,000 FY03
167  Bermuda, UK overseas territory 4,030,000 2001
168  Gambia, The 1,547,000 2004
169  San Marino 700,000 2005
170  São Tomé and Príncipe 581,700 2004
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: tonymctones on November 27, 2008, 10:49:45 AM
Japanes admire other cultures more than their own, that is why their Anime and Manga (billion dolloar industries) has nothing but white people with Japanese names. it's a huge problem...
LOL you ever been to japan bro? that culture is so deep rooted you have no idea.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 27, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
LOL you ever been to japan bro? that culture is so deep rooted you have no idea.

Donkeykong is getbig's Japan expert.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: gcb on November 27, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Don't forget he wants to cut a 1/4 of the military budget.......great idea :(

You can't fight terrorists with the military. Terrorist don't come out and say "Hey I'm a terrorist let's play Cowboys and Indians", they go along quietly pretending they're just like any other civilian until they are ready to strike. What you need to fight terrorists is intelligence and good police work as well as a watchful population.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 27, 2008, 07:16:42 PM
Come on Rob you know that it doesn't count because McCain said it.  ;)

I think there are probably plenty of wasteful things that can be cut, and useful things that need more funding.

The govt contractors should be investigated as well for their pricing streucture.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 27, 2008, 07:20:53 PM
Nordic, it isn't just Islam; sure it's part of it but it mainly foreign policy.

That is utter nonsense.

Islamic peoples have for their entire history engaged in warfare with everyone and anyone not like themselves, even well before the US existed!

They move from one piss poor excuse to another as to why commit their savage acts.  Its a tired story by now.

Wherever islam exists there is warfare, its that simple.  Read your history.  The Koran advocates war and has propmted its followers to do just that since the begninnig.

This did not start with the USA and wont end their either.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on November 27, 2008, 08:31:27 PM
I think Nordic is a little off in his rhetorics, but essentially he's right.
It's just not only 'extreme' Islam that is a problem.
The religion in itself is fundamentally imperialistic and it is also fundamentalist by nature - it's not open to interpretation or to evolve.
But Islam can't be defeated with weapons.
Islam picks up a huge following in war ridden 3rd world countries.
Islam is defeated if you set up rules in your society and forces everyone to follow them, and through education.
Some multi-culti huggers, like jaguar on this board, like to fight for women's rights on home court.
But when it comes to the usual worst countries in the world for a woman to live in, eg Iran, they always keep quiet.
Essentially, Nordic is right.
Did I just write that?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Nordic Superman on November 28, 2008, 01:41:21 AM
I think Nordic is a little off in his rhetorics, but essentially he's right.
It's just not only 'extreme' Islam that is a problem.
The religion in itself is fundamentally imperialistic and it is also fundamentalist by nature - it's not open to interpretation or to evolve.
But Islam can't be defeated with weapons.
Islam picks up a huge following in war ridden 3rd world countries.
Islam is defeated if you set up rules in your society and forces everyone to follow them, and through education.
Some multi-culti huggers, like jaguar on this board, like to fight for women's rights on home court.
But when it comes to the usual worst countries in the world for a woman to live in, eg Iran, they always keep quiet.
Essentially, Nordic is right.
Did I just write that?

99.9% of the time I an correct on these matters. Prove me wrong!
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2008, 03:13:10 AM
That is utter nonsense.

Islamic peoples have for their entire history engaged in warfare with everyone and anyone not like themselves, even well before the US existed!

They move from one piss poor excuse to another as to why commit their savage acts.  Its a tired story by now.

Wherever islam exists there is warfare, its that simple.  Read your history.  The Koran advocates war and has propmted its followers to do just that since the begninnig.

This did not start with the USA and wont end their either.

I said it is both Islam and Foreign Policy. US foreign policy exacerbates things tenfold. If the US had minded its own business it might have had fewer enemies but the US imperialist policy has made it too late for that.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: shootfighter1 on November 28, 2008, 10:28:23 AM
Agreed.  Countries must set up rules and make islamic immigrants follow the parent country's rules.  Many muslims do not assimilate and much of their religion & beliefs are rigid and outdated.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 28, 2008, 10:32:56 AM
Agreed.  Countries must set up rules and make islamic immigrants follow the parent country's rules.  Many muslims do not assimilate and much of their religion & beliefs are rigid and outdated.

Bingo. Do what you want in your land, but once you come here you must assimilate.

Sadly, the US does a poor job of this. I mean go to any Department of Motor Vehicles in the States and the written part of the road test is offered in Spanish. Fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 12:10:42 PM
13 year old American girl among the dead. Wonderful people these Muslims are.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: polychronopolous on November 28, 2008, 12:38:44 PM
We definitely need to spend more on military...

 ::)

Rank   Country   Military expenditures (USD)   Date of information   
—  World Total 1,470,000,000,000 2008[1]
—  NATO Total 1,049,875,309,000 

146  Mongolia 23,100,000 FY02


My, how the mighty have fallen.....
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on November 28, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
13 year old American girl among the dead. Wonderful people these Muslims are.

And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror?  I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims.  But let's keep this shit real.  If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist.  How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis?  I don't hear you shedding a tear over them?  Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish. 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror?  I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims.  But let's keep this shit real.  If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist.  How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis?  I don't hear you shedding a tear over them?  Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish. 

Why do the majority of those Palestinian children die? Well, because Hamas and their fathers who are fighting have no problem hiding alongside them or launching their rockets from their own rooftops. Israel retaliates and children die because of their cowardly tactics of hiding right with their families and among children. Serves a wonderful propaganda purpose when a few children die in the retaliation attack. I didn't see you shed a tear when that Palestinian gunman walked into a Jewish school and executed 8 kids last year. I don't see you shedding a tear for the 6,000 rockets launched at the civilian town of Sderot in the first 6 months of 08. So don't call me out about dead Palestinian children.  ::)

You're a complete fool if you think the US has killed more women and children than Muslim extremists. Women and children are caught in the crossfire of almost every single Muslim act. The amount the US has killed pales in comparison to the women and children killed by Muslim hands.

Unless of course you want to blame the US for dousing a 5 year old child in gasoline and lighting him on fire. The US forced all those Iraqis to start killing each other!  ::)



11/25/2008     Pakistan     Kohat     0     0     Four persons, including a mother and child, are killed when sectarian Jihadis fire into a vehicle.
11/25/2008     India     Baramulla     1     2     A 14-year-old boy is killed when Islamists throw a grenade into a roadshow.
11/24/2008     Iraq     Baghdad     13     6     Women and children are heavily represented in the thirteen bus passengers massacred by Mujahideen bombers.
11/24/2008     Pakistan     Mingora     1     0     Religious extremists execute a woman in her home for immoral behavior.
11/22/2008     Afghanistan     Khost     2     15     A 15-year-old boy and a man are blown to bits when Holy Warriors bomb a vegetable market.
11/22/2008     Iraq     Iskandariya     10     0     Two women are among ten people found executed in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
11/22/2008     Pakistan     Hangu     5     8     Two children are among five killed when Islamists set a bomb off inside a rival mosque.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

That's just from 11/22/2008 until today. Not even counting all the women and young adults killed the India attacks. LOL!
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on November 28, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
Why do the majority of those Palestinian children die? Well, because Hamas and their fathers who are fighting have no problem hiding alongside them or launching their rockets from their own rooftops. Israel retaliates and children die because of their cowardly tactics of hiding right with their families and among children.

But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.

What do you think about that?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just interested in your take on this dilemma.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 02:22:59 PM
But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.

What do you think about that?

What are they supposed to do? Turn a blind eye to the terrorists? Do that and they'll never stop attacking. There were 6,000 rockets and mortars launched at Sderot in the first six months of 2008. As far as I know, there are no Israeli military establishments there, just civilians.

What do you think will happen if they don't retaliate? The terrorists will just feel empowered and attack even more. It's unfortunate that these children die but I think the majority of the blame falls on their fathers and Hamas who purposely launch their attacks from school rooftops and what not just so that children will die when Israel retaliates.

It's a sad situation but the difference, to me, is that the US, the West and Israel don't set out with the purpose of killing women/children/civilians while Muslims set out with that specific goal in my mind. Is my view right? Don't know. But it's how I look at it. Casualties are unavoidable in war. It's sad that these children die, but what can you do about it? I'm not defending Israel, either. I'm just looking at the fact that they only act in a retaliatory manner.

The Palestinian children wouldn't die if Hamas wasn't hellbent on launching rockets at Israel Civilians.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2008, 02:30:16 PM
Let's see...Indonesia 1965...our coup led to 600,000 dead people...

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 02:32:02 PM
No one forces Muslims to kill each other whenever something political happens.  ;)

Them and the Africans. Can't settle anything like intellectuals. Their "intellectual debates" involve mass murder. Always been that way, will continue to be until they wake the fuck up.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2008, 02:35:21 PM
No one forces Muslims to kill each other whenever something political happens.  ;)

Them and the Africans. Can't settle anything like intellectuals. Their "intellectual debates" involve mass murder. Always been that way, will continue to be until they wake the fuck up.

Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 02:39:54 PM
Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???

I don't know too many Americans who turn to killing their countrymen every time a political issue comes up? Maybe in the 1800s. How many car bombings do you see around here?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2008, 02:42:38 PM
I don't know too many Americans who turn to killing their countrymen every time a political issue comes up? Maybe in the 1800s. How many car bombings do you see around here?

No, but our government doesn't exactly like intellectual settling of things...
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: CARTEL on November 28, 2008, 02:43:35 PM
President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks. 


Is the Obama camp talking about the same Terrorist Threat that the Libs say is just made up by the Bush Admin?

Surely they don't believe that propaganda.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 02:44:11 PM
No, but our government doesn't exactly like intellectual settling of things...

I'm not talking about the "intellectual" settling of things. All governments across the world do scumbaggish things. You're vendetta against the USA is hilarious considering we're no different from the rest of the superpowers. More efficient? Yes. Different? Not really.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2008, 03:02:32 PM
I'm not talking about the "intellectual" settling of things. All governments across the world do scumbaggish things. You're vendetta against the USA is hilarious considering we're no different from the rest of the superpowers. More efficient? Yes. Different? Not really.

No vendetta against the US...vendetta against all imperialist powers.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Fury on November 28, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
No vendetta against the US...vendetta against all imperialist powers.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on November 28, 2008, 09:35:42 PM
The U.S. has killed hundreds of children in the War on Terror.  Accident or not.  It doesn't matter.  Children are children.  We've killed a lot of innocent people in the last 20 years.  Whether Nagasaki and Hiroshima were justified or not, a lot of innocent people died.  Casualty of war?  Absolutely.  Does it make it any easier for you to swallow?  I guess so.  Kill em all let god sort em out right?  ::) 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on November 29, 2008, 04:36:22 AM
What are they supposed to do? Turn a blind eye to the terrorists? Do that and they'll never stop attacking. There were 6,000 rockets and mortars launched at Sderot in the first six months of 2008. As far as I know, there are no Israeli military establishments there, just civilians.

What do you think will happen if they don't retaliate? The terrorists will just feel empowered and attack even more. It's unfortunate that these children die but I think the majority of the blame falls on their fathers and Hamas who purposely launch their attacks from school rooftops and what not just so that children will die when Israel retaliates.

It's a sad situation but the difference, to me, is that the US, the West and Israel don't set out with the purpose of killing women/children/civilians while Muslims set out with that specific goal in my mind. Is my view right? Don't know. But it's how I look at it. Casualties are unavoidable in war. It's sad that these children die, but what can you do about it? I'm not defending Israel, either. I'm just looking at the fact that they only act in a retaliatory manner.

The Palestinian children wouldn't die if Hamas wasn't hellbent on launching rockets at Israel Civilians.



Good post.

I don't think I have a better answer, for the record.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: D-bol on November 29, 2008, 04:41:56 AM
President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks. 


wtf is the point..they all say the same thing - "we condemn these attacks...."
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 24KT on November 30, 2008, 02:50:14 AM

The other big reason is they don't have their measly grubby hands in every other country like we do.  Blowback is real and it will end the U.S. and every other modern sovereign nation who has an imperialistic foreign policy. 


BINGO!!!
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Deicide on November 30, 2008, 08:50:25 AM
BINGO!!!

Judy, you are hardcore...

How is being a lesbian treating you?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2008, 09:19:48 AM
And how many kids has the US and the West killed in the war on terror?  I'm not justifying terrorism at all nor do I have sympathy for any fucking Muslims.  But let's keep this shit real.  If you want to talk about children being killed the US has killed way more than any muslim terrorist.  How many Palestinian children have been killed at the hand of Israelis?  I don't hear you shedding a tear over them?  Children are children whether they are muslim, american, iraqi, or jewish. 

More nonsense and self loathing garbage.

Thank god people like ypourself were not making the decisions during WW2 or i would be speaking German.


Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2008, 09:23:40 AM
But Israel still retaliate, knowing that these kids will die.

What do you think about that?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just interested in your take on this dilemma.

So, in your mind Israel should just lye down and not do a damn thing while these terrorists plot more bomb attacks and death????

The tactics of the palestinines in hiding behind women and children is very clearly against all Geneva laws yet you dont care a wit about that.

These are beasts and savages who put suicide belts on kids, dogs, and women because they are too cowardly to do it themselves.







Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Intellectual? The US settles things intellectually? ???

Blame the USA for everything, I get it.

The islamic world since it inception has been for the most part one of war, terrorism, and atrocities.

This went on for far longer than the US has been around and will go on forever as long as people follow that pedophile Mohamed.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on November 30, 2008, 10:05:00 AM
So, in your mind Israel should just lye down and not do a damn thing while these terrorists plot more bomb attacks and death????

The tactics of the palestinines in hiding behind women and children is very clearly against all Geneva laws yet you dont care a wit about that.

These are beasts and savages who put suicide belts on kids, dogs, and women because they are too cowardly to do it themselves.

I don't know how much you know about the Palestine/Israel situation.

But during the 60's and 70's the Israelis would actually destroy whole Palestinian villages, literally use bulldozers and destroy any evidence of the Palestinian village before turning the area over to Israelian settlers.

That was then.

Right now, there is the great wall that has been built. Palestinians who owns land on one side of the wall and live on the other side can't tend to their crops properly.

I have a few Israelian friends, they're not too happy about the Palestinians.

But if you just look at the facts, the Palestinians are being treated like shit.

The perfect breeding ground for terrorists and fundamentalism.

So in my mind, I think the Israelis needs to stop the economic sanctions of the Palestinian areas. It is crippling the lives of the Palestinians, and only fueling their hatred for Israel.

They see the Israelis living the good life, while they themselves can't live a decent life.

You mention the Geneva laws.

I agree that it's important to follow them.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
Why dont any of the millions of other arabs help these people?

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on November 30, 2008, 08:05:31 PM
I don't know how much you know about the Palestine/Israel situation.

But during the 60's and 70's the Israelis would actually destroy whole Palestinian villages, literally use bulldozers and destroy any evidence of the Palestinian village before turning the area over to Israelian settlers.

That was then.

Right now, there is the great wall that has been built. Palestinians who owns land on one side of the wall and live on the other side can't tend to their crops properly.

I have a few Israelian friends, they're not too happy about the Palestinians.

But if you just look at the facts, the Palestinians are being treated like shit.

The perfect breeding ground for terrorists and fundamentalism.

So in my mind, I think the Israelis needs to stop the economic sanctions of the Palestinian areas. It is crippling the lives of the Palestinians, and only fueling their hatred for Israel.

They see the Israelis living the good life, while they themselves can't live a decent life.

You mention the Geneva laws.

I agree that it's important to follow them.



Apparently they didn't do enough. How  quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: gcb on November 30, 2008, 08:45:36 PM
Let's get off the Oil (ie. use alternative fuels) and leave these idiots to themselves - they won't be able to finance terrorism without the oil money.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 24KT on November 30, 2008, 09:44:07 PM
Apparently they didn't do enough. How  quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.

Not very quiet ...you seem to forget that Pakistan also has nukes.

By that last sentence, are you implying that you have Indian children, ...or that you care about Indian children?
...who according to you are worth less than your dogs? And when you say they all need to go, who is the ALL you refer to? Pakistanis? ...Indians? or both?
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on December 01, 2008, 03:14:23 AM
Let's get off the Oil (ie. use alternative fuels) and leave these idiots to themselves - they won't be able to finance terrorism without the oil money.
Sounds good in theory.
But do you really think that Exxon and other US oil companies would allow that?
They have one of their top guys, Cheney, as the current VP.
Their lobby is extremely powerful.
Why do you think everyone are so crazy about drilling in previously barred areas all of a sudden?
The oil lobby would much rather keep drilling there instead of USA developing alternative fuel sources. 
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2008, 05:14:18 AM
Sounds good in theory.
But do you really think that Exxon and other US oil companies would allow that?
They have one of their top guys, Cheney, as the current VP.
Their lobby is extremely powerful.
Why do you think everyone are so crazy about drilling in previously barred areas all of a sudden?
The oil lobby would much rather keep drilling there instead of USA developing alternative fuel sources. 

There is no viable alternative to oil.  We need to keep drilling domestically and maybe try something like Brazil has done. 

Anyone who thinks there is a viable alternative as good as oil for the same price is delusional.  It does not exist.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
Apparently they didn't do enough. How  quiet would things be if we nuked, yeah nuked, the tribal regions in Pakistan. Cry me a river, better their kids then ours. I could care less. Look what these bastards did in India. They all need to go.

Pakistan does not have control over these regions and has not shown a willingness to take control of these savages.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on December 01, 2008, 06:54:37 AM
Not very quiet ...you seem to forget that Pakistan also has nukes.

By that last sentence, are you implying that you have Indian children, ...or that you care about Indian children?
...who according to you are worth less than your dogs? And when you say they all need to go, who is the ALL you refer to? Pakistanis? ...Indians? or both?

Jag, I care about my kids, American kids, American citizens...not some kid in a cave in Pakistan, and neither do u. Saying u do, does nothing for that kid. Nor do I care about some Palistinian kid. Hamas makes those kids' targets, they should care about their own damm kids, stgop arming them, teaching em hate etc, and work out a deal with Israel. Since thats fuzzy bunny land thinking, I won't hold my breath. I expect rational people to act rationally. The Russians proved they love their children too, they folded without a shot. These murderous bastards prove on a daily basis that all they embrace is hate. Fine, die in a fire then.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on December 01, 2008, 07:22:13 AM
There is no viable alternative to oil.  We need to keep drilling domestically and maybe try something like Brazil has done. 

Anyone who thinks there is a viable alternative as good as oil for the same price is delusional.  It does not exist.


How do you know this?

Who told you this?

Five years ago everyone in the USA were dead positive that big SUV's were the only cars that were possible to drive.

Now there are hybrids.

Are you gonna tell me that people who's been able to fit a more powerful computer into a small mobile phone than into any type of computer that was available back in the 80's, will not be able to find solutions for how to drive our cars?

I tell you what: The Germans are already experimenting with gas cars as well as battery cars.

The Japanese already have cars running on batteries.

They're trying to find new ways.

Is the oil lobby going to be allowed to hold back the evolution of the US car industry a final time?

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on December 01, 2008, 07:29:47 AM
U need to look at the countries doing it. Japan for instance. Hedge, have u been to Japan? They have a good transit system that many people use. Their roads are made for smaller cars and there are more of them. They also have a smaller country with less distances to travel. That would not work in Texas or Montana. Have u been to the states?

Germany has much of the same, but if u've driven on the autobahn, I find it hard to believe that many of the Germans driving big Mercs and BMW's are going to give em up to drive electric cars. We need to drill, we need natural gas, we need it all until X product is invented.

Many Americans' don't want small cars. Unless I buy a Merc, I will never buy a car again.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2008, 07:34:14 AM

How do you know this?

Who told you this?

Five years ago everyone in the USA were dead positive that big SUV's were the only cars that were possible to drive.

Now there are hybrids.

Are you gonna tell me that people who's been able to fit a more powerful computer into a small mobile phone than into any type of computer that was available back in the 80's, will not be able to find solutions for how to drive our cars?

I tell you what: The Germans are already experimenting with gas cars as well as battery cars.

The Japanese already have cars running on batteries.

They're trying to find new ways.

Is the oil lobby going to be allowed to hold back the evolution of the US car industry a final time?



You made my point.  If a viable alternative existed, we would have it.  If you want to believe in conspiracies that the oil companies are stopping viable alternativesm you are sadly mistaken.

Remember, not only do we need an alternative, but one that does not cost more than oil itself.  

Batteries are not perfected yet for mass production of cars and ethanol and bio fuels are a wasteful joke.

Dollar for dollar, oil is still the best fuel to run vehicles.

We need to drill more of our own oil until a viable alternative exists to keep the prices stable.  

If we do not, tjhe prices are going to go right back up to $4.00 a gallon.  

More supply equal less cost.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on December 01, 2008, 07:39:07 AM
I agree, the Oil companies aren't stupid. They would love to be the ones to develop X product and bring it to market. They are already postioned to do so. U would think the libs would be all for getting out of the Middle East and drilling more here, but they're slaves to the nutbag invirowackjob wing of the Dem party.There is no compromise with these people. If u want to un intangle urself from the Saudi's, then u need domestic oil. American's aren't going to stand for a massive drop in the standard of living to appease a barn owl or woodpecker.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Hedgehog on December 01, 2008, 07:47:11 AM
U need to look at the countries doing it. Japan for instance. Hedge, have u been to Japan? They have a good transit system that many people use. Their roads are made for smaller cars and there are more of them. They also have a smaller country with less distances to travel. That would not work in Texas or Montana. Have u been to the states?

Germany has much of the same, but if u've driven on the autobahn, I find it hard to believe that many of the Germans driving big Mercs and BMW's are going to give em up to drive electric cars. We need to drill, we need natural gas, we need it all until X product is invented.

Many Americans' don't want small cars. Unless I buy a Merc, I will never buy a car again.


Japan and parts of Europe has great highspeed railway systems. That kind of infrastructure is something that could be invested in with the coming rescue package.

Also the the highway standard needs to be brought up to the level of autobahn.

I talked to a guy who worked in China. He told me that when he started working there 10 years ago, the highway to and from the airport had one lane.

And there were almost no cars.

After awhile, it started to get crowded.

Then two more lanes, top quality, were built in under two years.

On a road that stretched at least 50 miles.

I haven't been to Japan.

But I've lived in the USA for a while.

I know of the distances.

We have quite some distances too.

The gas car I was referring to was a big Audi in the luxury class.

There is development in biodiesel engines, allowing for a bigger part biodiesel.

And look at five years ago.

I know many on this board only one or two years ago argued that small cars would not sell in the USA.

But look at what brands are doing well and what brands are near bankruptcy.

It doesn't even matter if the USA starts to drill in preserved areas.

Because OPEC is cutting down its production to keep the price up anyway.

Get rid of the dependancy once and for all instead.

Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 240 is Back on December 01, 2008, 07:49:29 AM
There is no viable alternative to oil. 

LOL... you remind me of the guy at the patent office who declared there were no uses for the computer, about a hundred years ago...

At the very least, most agree that nanotech will allow us to create unlimited amounts of damn near anything within a few generations.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2008, 07:51:39 AM
LOL... you remind me of the guy at the patent office who declared there were no uses for the computer, about a hundred years ago...

At the very least, most agree that nanotech will allow us to create unlimited amounts of damn near anything within a few generations.

Im talking about now.  Other than oil, please tell me what you are going to run vehicles on in the next five years that is reliable, proven, and cost effective?????
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on December 01, 2008, 07:56:35 AM
Ur not wrong Hedge but I disagree with some points. Here in KC (Kansas City) they tried to pass a lite rail bill. The initial plan was for one rail going north to south with one stop on either end. It was a test bed plan and would take 3 years to build. Nobody wanted it. This is a major US city without any other means to get around except bus.  U see plenty of public transit on in the North East, but its a culture thing. U don't see it as much in the West  etc. Small cars are selling but its regional. I'm stationed in the Mid West, u see mostly SUV's and pick-ups. I went home to Boston..East Coast...over the summer and all u see is smaller cars. Our highways are very good, maybe some need maintanance but the general layout works fine. Its funny, American companies in Europe do well, they sell smaller cars.U see alot of cars from the big 3 that u won't find in the US.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: 240 is Back on December 01, 2008, 08:16:39 AM
Im talking about now.  Other than oil, please tell me what you are going to run vehicles on in the next five years that is reliable, proven, and cost effective?????

in 5 years - with proper focus and funding - we can have made major inroads into another energy arena.  It's possible with these things, that in 10 years we can be well into a new source and perhaps 'off' oil in 15-20 years.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2008, 08:23:46 AM
in 5 years - with proper focus and funding - we can have made major inroads into another energy arena.  It's possible with these things, that in 10 years we can be well into a new source and perhaps 'off' oil in 15-20 years.

That's fine, but right now we need oil, require oil, use oil, depend on oil, for travel in cars, trucks, boats, places,
goods, products, heating, etc.


Until we have an alternative that can fill those needs, at least partially, we need to focus on domestic exploration and telling OPEC and the arabs to find a new line of work.
Title: Re: Statement from the Obama camp on the Mumbai attacks
Post by: headhuntersix on December 01, 2008, 08:31:58 AM
I would suggest farming...o' wait can't grow shit in sand...well guess maybe they'll starve.