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I must say I was very surprised when I looked on getbig and saw that he had won. It left me scratching my head. How come no one saw him coming?
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It was dark ???
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It was dark ???
cue all the sarcastic remarks ::)
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i wasn't following bodybuilding when he first won (I was 10 years old)
I think Flex was the major front runner, along with Kevin and Shawn, and then when Dorian retired it was almost a given that one of those 3 would take the title....apparently Flex magazine did an article before the Olympia 98, showing four athletes who could possible win, I think they had Flex, Kevin, Shawn and then it also featured Ronnie as having an outside chance, because he was the only guy that coudl really hang with Flex from the back.
Of course Ronnie made a dramatic change in his physique and the rest is history!
Listen to the "ronnie tribute" on PBW radio.....it is really good....they talk alot about this....aswell as talking to Brian Dobson, Peter M and Ronnie himself.
Brian says "When he (Ronnie) first walked through the door, he had on an old pair of sweatpants, and you could see the veins in his legs through the damn pants!"
FREAK
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I saw contest pics of him in the early 90's and thought why isn't this guy winning shows? I swear. I don't m,ean the O but other pro shows. I must have been his only fan. I think later on he ruined his physique.
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Discuss...
I must say I was very surprised when I looked on getbig and saw that he had won. It left me scratching my head. How come no one saw him coming?
I wouldn't say no one saw it coming. When Dorian announced in 98 that he was pulling out of the Olympia, most people in the industry thought that the winner would either be Flex Wheeler (mainly because of his 98 AC showing) or Nasser, although Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and even Paul Dillett were also contenders - all these guys had beaten each other in competition before, unlike Dorian who had been undefeated since he became Mr Olympia.
Ronnie started working with Chad in 98 and that made a huge difference in the way he looked - he went from being a guy who had some freaky body parts to someone who was a lot more complete. Plus, he had a fair bit of momentum at that stage cause he had won the last Grand Prix show in 97 (the Russian Grand Prix, in which he beat KLo who'd won the other 5 or 6 prior shows) and also the Night of champions in 98, which probably played a part in how dry he was at the Olympia.
Nearly everyone thought it was Flex's show if he showed up in his 98 AC form, but Flex came in relatively smooth and it showed in the areas which were Ronnie's strong points - (lower) back, hams and other areas. Bottom line, Ronnie showed up dry and conditioned and simply outmuscled a less-than-stellar Flex.
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He was very big in 1996 i think he just stuffed up a bit in 1997 and people thought he was on the way down.
I agree with above, in 1992 he was still very good, better than a lot of the rest but didn't have a name.
I have one old mag with an interview with Dillet and he was asked about a few guys, he said about Ronnie 'he's a dark horse but i think he's peaked already' LOL guess not
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Nearly everyone thought it was Flex's show if he showed up in his 98 AC form, but Flex came in relatively smooth and it showed in the areas which were Ronnie's strong points - (lower) back, hams and other areas. Bottom line, Ronnie showed up dry and conditioned and simply outmuscled a less-than-stellar Flex.
very true. and yet the idiot judges only had them a few points apart on paper LOL
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Nearly everyone thought it was Flex's show if he showed up in his 98 AC form, but Flex came in relatively smooth and it showed in the areas which were Ronnie's strong points - (lower) back, hams and other areas. Bottom line, Ronnie showed up dry and conditioned and simply outmuscled a less-than-stellar Flex.
That's BS. It WAS Flex's show to win. Flex outmuscled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department. But the Weiders wanted an underdog to win, to bring controversity in the game, and that was Colemans luck.
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very true. and yet the idiot judges only had them a few points apart on paper LOL
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Yeah, that was total BS. You can bet if Ronnie had won the previous year(s), he'd have gotten straight firsts given the shape he showed up in. It was like during the first couple of rounds, the judges had fallen for the Flex hype and automatically scored him accordingly. Good thing that they corrected the mistake with the posing round and the pose down. Ronnie was as much ahead of Flex in 98 as Dorian was ahead of Flex in 93.
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Flex outmuscled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department.
Umm, No. Flex never out muscled Ronnie in 98 or afterwards. Flex was a lot bigger in 99 compared to his 98 form (he was 242 lb), but even in 99, he got out-muscled by a much bigger and muscular Ronnie. Ronnie's only flaw in 98 other than the usual calves issue was his gyno. Check out the difference in the torso size and thickness between Ronnie and Flex, as well as the legs. The following year, Ronnie's legs were MUCH bigger (as was his upper body).
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but even in 99, he got out-muscled by a much bigger and muscular Ronnie.
Who outmuscles who? :)
Btw, listen to the crowd's reaction and you know who was the rightfull winner.... ;)
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Who outmuscles who? :)
Ronnie out-muscles Flex ;) Flex's arms are disproportionately big compared to the rest of his body. Ronnie just plain kills him in size, volume AND weight ;)
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Ronnie out-muscles Flex ;) Flex's arms are disproportionately big compared to the rest of his body. Ronnie just plain kills him in size, volume AND weight ;)
And Ronnies arms are Real.
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still flex looks better.
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Who outmuscles who? :)
Btw, listen to the crowd's reaction and you know who was the rightfull winner.... ;)
Haha, I think Gunter in 2002 was the rightful winner of the 1998 Mr O, did you hear the crowd? ::)
P.S. Anyone looking at those 98 pics would be mad to think the guy on the right has better development than the guy in the middle. Flex was less thick and less detailed, what does this tell you? He lost even with his name power.
AND, when they turn around Flex's lat spread doesn't exist. Has anyone got photos of this?
Ronnie is riddles with lines and depth.
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ronnie's fucking ugly compared to Flex.
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ronnie's fucking ugly compared to Flex.
lol
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I wouldn't say no one saw it coming. When Dorian announced in 98 that he was pulling out of the Olympia, most people in the industry thought that the winner would either be Flex Wheeler (mainly because of his 98 AC showing) or Nasser, although Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and even Paul Dillett were also contenders - all these guys had beaten each other in competition before, unlike Dorian who had been undefeated since he became Mr Olympia.
Ronnie started working with Chad in 98 and that made a huge difference in the way he looked - he went from being a guy who had some freaky body parts to someone who was a lot more complete. Plus, he had a fair bit of momentum at that stage cause he had won the last Grand Prix show in 97 (the Russian Grand Prix, in which he beat KLo who'd won the other 5 or 6 prior shows) and also the Night of champions in 98, which probably played a part in how dry he was at the Olympia.
Nearly everyone thought it was Flex's show if he showed up in his 98 AC form, but Flex came in relatively smooth and it showed in the areas which were Ronnie's strong points - (lower) back, hams and other areas. Bottom line, Ronnie showed up dry and conditioned and simply outmuscled a less-than-stellar Flex.
This is a man who knows pro bodybuilding well. Great post!
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wow... ronnie is bigger but flex looks a lot better there.
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I wouldn't say no one saw it coming. When Dorian announced in 98 that he was pulling out of the Olympia, most people in the industry thought that the winner would either be Flex Wheeler (mainly because of his 98 AC showing) or Nasser, although Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and even Paul Dillett were also contenders - all these guys had beaten each other in competition before, unlike Dorian who had been undefeated since he became Mr Olympia.
Ronnie started working with Chad in 98 and that made a huge difference in the way he looked - he went from being a guy who had some freaky body parts to someone who was a lot more complete. Plus, he had a fair bit of momentum at that stage cause he had won the last Grand Prix show in 97 (the Russian Grand Prix, in which he beat KLo who'd won the other 5 or 6 prior shows) and also the Night of champions in 98, which probably played a part in how dry he was at the Olympia.
Nearly everyone thought it was Flex's show if he showed up in his 98 AC form, but Flex came in relatively smooth and it showed in the areas which were Ronnie's strong points - (lower) back, hams and other areas. Bottom line, Ronnie showed up dry and conditioned and simply outmuscled a less-than-stellar Flex.
Spot on,Kiwiol, spot on.
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I must say I was very surprised when I looked on getbig and saw that he had won. It left me scratching my head. How come no one saw him coming?
1995 Mr Olympia:
"I don't know why Ronnie's not getting a better crowd response with a body like that. Once he learns how to use that crowd he's going to place very very high."
-Frank Zane
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I knew that Sascha Grey was up and coming but as far as an oiled up dude in a g-string :-\
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And Ronnies arms are Real.
I was noticing that, too. Ronnie's look like marble and Flex's like oil bags.
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I was noticing that, too. Ronnie's look like marble and Flex's like oil bags.
Your arms are pretty marble like yourself,you just need to shave off all that hair :-X
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That's BS. It WAS Flex's show to win. Flex outmuscled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department. But the Weiders wanted an underdog to win, to bring controversity in the game, and that was Colemans luck.
That is crap and you know it. Fact is, Flex showed up in bad shape and really shouldn't have placed as high as he did. Ronnie was on and Flex wasn't, Plain and simple. Flex cried and all that stupid shit but it was his show to lose and he did just that, LOST!.
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That's BS. It WAS Flex's show to win. Flex outoiled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department. But the Weiders wanted an underdog to win, to bring controversity in the game, and that was Colemans luck.
Fixed
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And Ronnies arms are Real.
Haha yeah, when your only notable bodyparts are fake i.e. delts and arms, you shouldn't win against a guy with better arms and delts that are real!
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I remember I was in Ft. Lauderdale when I heard the news. It was like Tyson loosing to Douglas. Really shocking news! But Ronnie won fair and square. Was it the year before or that year when Ronnie beat Flex in that Pittsburg show? Anyway I'm glad Flex never won the big show. Met him at my gym in St. Martin. Really wasn't nice.
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Umm, No. Flex never out muscled Ronnie in 98 or afterwards. Flex was a lot bigger in 99 compared to his 98 form (he was 242 lb), but even in 99, he got out-muscled by a much bigger and muscular Ronnie. Ronnie's only flaw in 98 other than the usual calves issue was his gyno. Check out the difference in the torso size and thickness between Ronnie and Flex, as well as the legs. The following year, Ronnie's legs were MUCH bigger (as was his upper body).
Jesus, Ronnie is owning the hell out of Flex. :-X
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That's BS. It WAS Flex's show to win. Flex outmuscled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department.
You've discredited yourself by bringing up the synthol delts.
As far as shoulder width (and lat width as well) he couldn't compete with Coleman.
As far as arms, they were good but again Coleman had the edge with far greater definition and slightly bigger.
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Who outmuscles who? :)
You're a wheeler groupie. Wheeler looked great but didn't have Coleman's overall refinement nor his shoulder/lat width or thigh size.
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You're a wheeler groupie. Wheeler looked great but didn't have Coleman's overall refinement nor his shoulder/lat width or thigh size.
And what's ironic is that he didn't need any of that to beat Ronnie 8 times previously
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Really wasn't nice.
Part of winning the Olympia's personality, even though it's not admitted. Understandable even though it's not supposed to matter. Fox probably should've won in '83, Robinson, a few guys over Yates but being a good rep for the sport's part of it.
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And what's ironic is that he didn't need any of that to beat Ronnie 8 times previously
Totally ludicrous statement. Comparing someone in their prime to someone who's an up-and-commer is faulty logic at best.
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Totally ludicrous statement. Comparing someone in their prime to someone who's an up-and-commer is faulty logic at best.
ND = IFBB tool. Nonsensical babbling becomes commonplace. ;)
And what's ironic is that he didn't need any of that to beat Ronnie 8 times previously
It's called improvement. Coleman did that, as others have mentioned even if that went over your head. Guys like Yates were rewarded for regressing.
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Part of winning the Olympia's personality, even though it's not admitted. Understandable even though it's not supposed to matter. Fox probably should've won in '83, Robinson, a few guys over Yates but being a good rep for the sport's part of it.
It's called improvement. Coleman did, guys like Yates were rewarded for regressing.
Coleman didn't regress? ::)
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Coleman didn't regress? ::)
ADD, going on tangents. Address your latest faux pas lol
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Totally ludicrous statement. Comparing someone in their prime to someone who's an up-and-commer is faulty logic at best.
Faulty logic? one Flex wasn't in his prime when he was beating Ronnie , FYI 1993 was Flex's prime and two up-and-comer ? Ronnie was beating Flex by 1996 and then after that they were going tit-for-tat , Ronnie established himself as a winning pro by 1996 , he was no journeyman then
and the point stands , Shawn Ray didn't need to be the widest guy on stage to beat them .
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ND = IFBB tool. Nonsensical babbling becomes commonplace. ;)
It's called improvement. Coleman did that, as others have mentioned even if that went over your head. Guys like Yates were rewarded for regressing.
You missed the point , Flex didn't have to beat anyone in the size department to score a win , your argument from that standpoint is null and void , Ronnie did improve true however that has nothing to do with Flex being able to beat him despite not being as big as him
and nice job backpeddling Ronnie was rewarded many Olympias for regressing in fact he made a career out of it , the best he ever looked at an Olympia was his first
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The minute Ronnie, Dorian, Jay, Flex, etc started regressing they should have lost placings. Levrone, IMO, got better up until 2000 and never won. Ronnie should have lost in 2001 and 2002, Dorian in his bloated years (looked good in 95, 96), Flex (since '97?). The problem is that these guys go too overboard after winning the first O. The last 3 Mr. O's could have done more for the sport had they not used size as their first priority.
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And what's ironic is that he didn't need any of that to beat Ronnie 8 times previously
Stupid statement. And this faulty reasoning is why you are wrong about Dorian being better than Ronnie.
Look at the pictures, Ronnie is clearly better than Flex. Better detail, more size. Just look at the legs, or the chest, or any other bodypart for that matter.
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That's BS. It WAS Flex's show to win. Flex outmuscled Ronnie badly, especially in the arm-shoulder department. But the Weiders wanted an underdog to win, to bring controversity in the game, and that was Colemans luck.
I'm no Coleman fan, but I really can't dispute his 1998 win.
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Stupid statement. And this faulty reasoning is why you are wrong about Dorian being better than Ronnie.
Look at the pictures, Ronnie is clearly better than Flex. Better detail, more size. Just look at the legs, or the chest, or any other bodypart for that matter.
Maybe you're missing the point NO WHERE did I state Flex deserved to win in 1998 , Ronnie was the clear winner HOWEVER he didn't need to be like Ronnie to beat Ronnie
and Dorian had NOTHING to do with this topic you want to get corrected on those points follow me else where ;)
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Totally ludicrous statement. Comparing someone in their prime to someone who's an up-and-commer is faulty logic at best.
but faulty logic is the only logic that ND knows...
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but faulty logic is the only logic that ND knows...
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Did Flex beat Ronnie despite NEVER being as big or as wide as he was? yeah I thought so ;) next
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I saw it coming i had him first when nobody had him top six.......
in 97 i said that if he had calves he would have been top 3 but everybody laughted at me.
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ND can babble all he wants but honestly, outside this board, when have you ever heard of Yates being compared as the greatest bodybuilder of all time?
Answer: Never
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I saw contest pics of him in the early 90's and thought why isn't this guy winning shows? I swear. I don't m,ean the O but other pro shows. I must have been his only fan. I think later on he ruined his physique.
Ditto. I remember reading MuscleMag circa 1992 when Big Ronnie was simply known as "Ron Coleman"... with a high top and a moustache...
so why wasn't he winning?
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ND can babble all he wants but honestly, outside this board, when have you ever heard of Yates being compared as the greatest bodybuilder of all time?
Answer: Never
No true , many instances I could post them if you like?
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No true , many instances I could post them if you like?
Bullshit
He's hit the spot on that one.
Apart from you and a select few other idiots, no one would dream of fighting such a ridiculous argument
But hey, you gave it a shot.
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Bullshit
He's hit the spot on that one.
Apart from you and a select few other idiots, no one would dream of fighting such a ridiculous argument
But hey, you gave it a shot.
No one? you say?
Special Ed : Ronnie if Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
From Special Ed's radio show
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Flex magazine
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
From Ironage
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
From Bodybuilding.com
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
from Musclenet.com
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
Flex magazine
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Flex magazine
Samir Bannout on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Flex Magazine
Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Flex magazine
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25103
MuscleMayhem poll asking who is the worse Mr Olympia
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
elitefietness poll on who has the best back
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
bodybuilding.com poll who was the best conditioned bodybuilder ever
dozens of comments on Yates being better than Ronnie
one of the more recent issues of MD they discuss if Yates could beat Ronnie , Shawn Ray said Ronnie 1998 would beat Dorian if he didn't have bitch tits lol
I mean shall I continue? now what was that about ' bullshit ' ? yeah I thought so
Ronnie HIMSELF said on multiple occasions he couldn't beat Dorian , now that speaks volumes. ;)
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No one? you say?
Special Ed : Ronnie if Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
From Special Ed's radio show
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Flex magazine
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
From Ironage
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
From Bodybuilding.com
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
from Musclenet.com
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
Flex magazine
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Flex magazine
Samir Bannout on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Flex Magazine
Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Flex magazine
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25103
MuscleMayhem poll asking who is the worse Mr Olympia
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
elitefietness poll on who has the best back
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
bodybuilding.com poll who was the best conditioned bodybuilder ever
dozens of comments on Yates being better than Ronnie
one of the more recent issues of MD they discuss if Yates could beat Ronnie , Shawn Ray said Ronnie 1998 would beat Dorian if he didn't have bitch tits lol
I mean shall I continue? now what was that about ' bullshit ' ? yeah I thought so
Ronnie HIMSELF said on multiple occasions he couldn't beat Dorian , now that speaks volumes. ;)
I'm glad i made you waste your time with this post.
Yes ND you're right.
The debate "rages" on elsewhere
You're not alone in this campaign.
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No one? you say?
Special Ed : Ronnie if Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
From Special Ed's radio show
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Flex magazine
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
From Ironage
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
From Bodybuilding.com
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
from Musclenet.com
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
Flex magazine
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Flex magazine
Samir Bannout on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Flex Magazine
Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Flex magazine
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25103
MuscleMayhem poll asking who is the worse Mr Olympia
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
elitefietness poll on who has the best back
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
bodybuilding.com poll who was the best conditioned bodybuilder ever
dozens of comments on Yates being better than Ronnie
one of the more recent issues of MD they discuss if Yates could beat Ronnie , Shawn Ray said Ronnie 1998 would beat Dorian if he didn't have bitch tits lol
I mean shall I continue? now what was that about ' bullshit ' ? yeah I thought so
Ronnie HIMSELF said on multiple occasions he couldn't beat Dorian , now that speaks volumes. ;)
random person: "ronnie are you natural?"
ronnie: "yeah buddy"
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personally i dont think ron should have won 98. sure he looked phenominal, but he had terrible gyno. I think it should have been nasser or flex for 98, its a tossup between those two.
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Maybe it was dark? It's tough to see black guys in the dark...right before your front bumper clips their shins.
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I'm glad i made you waste your time with this post.
Yes ND you're right.
The debate "rages" on elsewhere
You're not alone in this campaign.
:) at least you're honest
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random person: "ronnie are you natural?"
ronnie: "yeah buddy"
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Hey my puppy followed me here ;)
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fuck ronnie and his rollypolly GHgut. yates could pound me to death in the cornhole with his freaky superfist of muscle. it would be the hottest death ever. then i could have an open casket funeral with my gaping asshole sticking straight up and filled with tasty thanksgiving stuffing for everyone to share after the service. fuck that would be hot.
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fuck ronnie and his rollypolly GHgut. yates could pound me to death in the cornhole with his freaky superfist of muscle. it would be the hottest death ever. then i could have an open casket funeral with my gaping asshole sticking straight up and filled with tasty thanksgiving stuffing for everyone to share after the service. fuck that would be hot.
:o :o :o :-X :-X :-X ??? ??? ???
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That was one of the comments in the Yates video
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That was one of the comments in the Yates video
Dude you need to clarify next time....yikes :-\
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Hey my puppy followed me here ;)
yes to correct you
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Discuss...
I must say I was very surprised when I looked on getbig and saw that he had won. It left me scratching my head. How come no one saw him coming?
I remember that I was very surprised that Ronnie won. I expected Nasser to win that one. I thought of Shawn Ray as a possibiliy, but he's too small, so Nasser was the obvious choice. I thought that, without Dorian and his huge back in the game, the judges would ignore Nasser's poor back ad give him the win based on size alone and also due to the fact that he was runner-up in 97'. I recall that Ronnie was working with Chad Nichols and that he was probably going to be much better in 98', since Nichols had turned his wife Kim into a freak and thus was very skilled in improving bdybuilders' conditioning, but I had no idea that Ronnie would improve that much from one year to the other. I expected Ronnie to crack the top 5 in 98' but not win the damn thing.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yes to correct you
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Thanks for proving my point E ;) I own you like Yates owned Levrone
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Discuss...
I must say I was very surprised when I looked on getbig and saw that he had won. It left me scratching my head. How come no one saw him coming?
1) Method of turning pro: Ronnie did so rather inconspicuously, winning his class at the Universe; whereas Kevin Levrone and Mike Matarazzo won the Nationals and USA, respectively.
2) Debut Olympia placing: Levrone debuted in 2nd place; Wheeler debuted in 2nd place; Cormier debuted in 6th place; Dillet debuted in 6th place; Coleman’s debut: “16th” place.
3) Highest Olympia placing: For Coleman, that was 6th place (after Nasser El Sonbaty got DQed); he dropped to 9th in 1997.
4) Flex Wheeler: He looked to be the heir apparent to the Olympia. Prior to 1998, of all the times Wheeler and Coleman faced each other, Coleman defeated Wheeler just once (barely; it took a tie-breaker to do it, with Coleman squeaking past Wheeler by one point).
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Thanks for proving my point E ;) I own you like Yates owned Levrone
you're point is you need somebody to correct you?
that makes you the puppy because puppies crap in the house, you crap in these forums hahaha ;D
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you're point is you need somebody to correct you?
that makes you the puppy because puppies crap in the house, you crap in these forums hahaha ;D
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Thanks for playing Earl is a stalker ;)