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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
Must read lol Shawn Ray , Nasser , all of them put in their places lol
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what total bullshit from that article:
Still able to train over the remaining weeks before the show, the damage being more psychological than physical at that point
yeah, more psychological my ass: ::)
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what total bullshit from that article:
yeah, more psychological my ass: ::)
LMFAO Mr Meltdown thanks for following me ;)
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And likewise in 1997, when Nasser El Sonbaty came second?
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Nasser from the front was phenomenal and in some poses from the front there is no doubt he beat me. But from the side he is very narrow and from the back there is no comparison really. You have to look at it logically. Let's say he beat me in the front relaxed pose and the front double bicep.
I will give him this. Did he beat me in the side triceps? No. In either of the back poses? No. Abs and thighs was close. So no, I don't think he deserved to win although he did look very good that year. But he looked good from certain angles. Some physiques you can't judge from a photograph; you have to be there.
Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up
Nasser = owned
Hulkter = owned
Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up
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I believe in '94 second place was Shawn Ray who was in shape, but the guy has got a lot of weaknesses, which he wouldn't admit himself. He is a very small guy with narrow shoulders, his calves are not very good, and his quad shape is not very good. He has his strong points, as well, but I believe I was good enough to beat him with the quality that I had, even though I was not at my personal best.
Shawn Ray = owned
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what total bullshit from that article:
yeah, more psychological my ass: ::)
Great arms :-X
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Q ] However, during your time at the top of the Olympia standings, the guys who tended to come in smaller, men like Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, provided some of your toughest competition.
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This whole thing just frustrates me. People are saying. "Well, what's in, the big or small physique?" It is neither of them. It is the best physique, the best combination of all of the factors: size, symmetry and conditioning. Put them all in a pot and mix them up together to see who has the best combination.
Now that Dexter Jackson has won the Mr. Olympia and he is a smaller guy, is it the year of the smaller guy? No, that is bullsh!t. It was all about who was the best guy on the day. But all things being equal, usually the bigger guy is better. But obviously on that day they weren't because Jay Cutler was not in good shape, so Dexter beat him.
Yates confirming the reasons I said many , many times why he would beat Ronnie , the best combo of ALL the criteria and that was him lol
I love being proven right by IFBB judges lol
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Q ] At least as far as fullness goes very few, if any, have shown that kind of size in photos. Do you think, all things considered, your size in these photos has yet to be surpassed?
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Yes: fullness, roundness and proportion, it is all there. Just perhaps the degree of granite-like shredded-ness I used to go for was not quite there, but it wasn't far off. But it was definitely better than the condition the guys are coming in these days though.
There is none of that (granite hardness) anymore. Some of the guys who are coming in now are really disappointing, to me anyway. I don't want to single anyone out for criticism; it is across the board. It seems that the guys of the '90s were going much more for condition. It seems now they are just trying to come in bigger and fuller but they have a soft look to them.
Ha Ha ha ha ha Dorian stating the obvious lol he's in better shape in these pics than ANYONE who competes today
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And likewise in 1997, when Nasser El Sonbaty came second?
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Nasser from the front was phenomenal and in some poses from the front there is no doubt he beat me. But from the side he is very narrow and from the back there is no comparison really. You have to look at it logically. Let's say he beat me in the front relaxed pose and the front double bicep.
I will give him this. Did he beat me in the side triceps? No. In either of the back poses? No. Abs and thighs was close. So no, I don't think he deserved to win although he did look very good that year. But he looked good from certain angles. Some physiques you can't judge from a photograph; you have to be there.
Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up
Nasser = owned
Hulkter = owned
Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up
HAHAHAH I just read that part of the article...
bigbobs is going to hersheystain his underwear. Nasser too but he'll sell it.
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HAHAHAH I just read that part of the article...
bigbobs is going to hersheystain his underwear. Nasser too but he'll sell it.
lmfao
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lmfao
There are no doubts that the 1993 pics changed the world of bodybuilding forever.
Quite amazing that they weren't supposed to even be released but Dorian's ... explains the undies.
I remember flippin' pages of Flex at the store and having to take a 2nd and 3rd look ;D
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There are no doubts that the 1993 pics changed the world of bodybuilding forever.
Quite amazing that they weren't supposed to even be released but Dorian's ... explains the undies.
I remember flipp pages of Flex at the store and having to take a 2nd and 3rd look ;D
I think everyone did , I remember the late Paul Demayo stating he was just getting used to Dorian 1992 he said after seeing those pics he should just get a job at Burger King
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Q ] At least as far as fullness goes very few, if any, have shown that kind of size in photos. Do you think, all things considered, your size in these photos has yet to be surpassed?
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Yes: fullness, roundness and proportion, it is all there. Just perhaps the degree of granite-like shredded-ness I used to go for was not quite there, but it wasn't far off. But it was definitely better than the condition the guys are coming in these days though.
There is none of that (granite hardness) anymore. Some of the guys who are coming in now are really disappointing, to me anyway. I don't want to single anyone out for criticism; it is across the board. It seems that the guys of the '90s were going much more for condition. It seems now they are just trying to come in bigger and fuller but they have a soft look to them.
Ha Ha ha ha ha Dorian stating the obvious lol he's in better shape in these pics than ANYONE who competes today
if only that was natural
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Hi Neo ;)
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Q ] When were the photos released and what impact did they have on your competition at the time?
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They were actually released in FLEX Magazine around the time of the (1993) Olympia. I remember Peter McGough having them in the office about six weeks before the Olympia. He had them almost immediately in his office (after the photo shoot) and made the point of subtly showing them to the other competitors who came to the office, which of course completely demoralized them
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Of course Dorian is going to talk in his own favor. :-\
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Of course Dorian is going to talk in his own favor. :-\
He's known for his candor and honesty , he's always been this way and he's spot on not only about himself but his critique of others as well
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[ Q ] Elaborating on what you said earlier, what is your view on the physiques of today?
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The only guy that really impressed me when he was on was Ronnie. I would always look at him and think, "Crap, that is impressive." But apart from that there is nobody there who would beat the guys of the '90s, I don't think.
The proof is in the pudding.
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He's known for his candor and honesty , he's always been this way and he's spot on not only about himself but his critique of others as well
If he'd have been honest, then at the very least he would have admitted to losing to Sean in '94 and to Nasser in '97.
I do admire his straight forwards manner though. He's more honest than 99.9% of bodybuilders, and I also like his criticism of today's pros lacking the conditioning of the 90's.
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If he'd have been honest, then at the very least he would have admitted to losing to Sean in '94 and to Nasser in '97.
I do admire his straight forwards manner though. He's more honest than 99.9% of bodybuilders, and I also like his criticism of today's pros lacking the conditioning of the 90's.
He didn't lose to either , he was on the money in his critique with both
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The proof is in the pudding.
He's always spoken highly about Ronnie and Ronnie at his best is extremely impressive
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These articles are really great and nice to get some insight from one of the greatest BB'rs of all time.
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These articles are really great and nice to get some insight from one of the greatest BB'rs of all time.
he still owns the sport 11 years after his retirement
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Dorian was always a class act and IMO, the greatest Mr Olympia ever 8)
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Dorian was always a class act and IMO, the greatest Mr Olympia ever 8)
Smart man right here ! :)
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If he'd have been honest, then at the very least he would have admitted to losing to Sean in '94 and to Nasser in '97.
The fact that Dorian's opinion differs from that of your own, is hardly grounds to question the validity of his own beliefs. Especially, in light of the detailed basis provided for his views. Being that you merely provided a contrary opinion devoid of any substance, one could easily assert that your opinion is either baseless, or based in fiction.
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he still owns the sport 11 years after his retirement
Yup. I like his no bullshit attitude, straight up kind of guy who's not afraid to say what's on his mind. That's one of the things a lot of these guys today don't get. There's just no passion in any of them like there is in Dorian.
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Yup. I like his no bullshit attitude, straight up kind of guy who's not afraid to say what's on his mind. That's one of the things a lot of these guys today don't get. There's just no passion in any of them like there is in Dorian.
Right in a sport filled with so much bullshit he is a breathe of fresh air .
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Dorian was always a class act and IMO, the greatest Mr Olympia ever 8)
Doing Milos' wife after she picked him up at the airport was REAL CLASSY.
ND-classy. :-[
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If he'd have been honest, then at the very least he would have admitted to losing to Sean in '94 and to Nasser in '97.
I do admire his straight forwards manner though. He's more honest than 99.9% of bodybuilders, and I also like his criticism of today's pros lacking the conditioning of the 90's.
He never lost to Nasser overall and most certainly not to Shawn. A lot of the guys here in Getbig base their decision on a couple of pics and everyone takes bad pics. If you see the video for either contest, you'll see that Dorian was in a whole league by himself as soon as he turned to the side and the back, as well as in the front lat spread and abs & thighs.
His torso was so thick and muscular that it made his arms seem relatively small and weak, even though he had one of the best triceps as well as the best forearms - no one who competed with Doz had his forearms, although Paul Dillett was also up there. Dorian's torn arm did deter a lot from his physique esp. from the front, but he had plenty of strengths to more than make up for it, not to mention he set the standards in a couple of his signature poses.
Add to that the facts that he was a master of posing (same as Arnold - hide you weaknesses and show your strengths), had a terrific work ethic and remained a great ambassador of bodybuilding during his reign where he never got vicious or insulted other pros like some of them did to him. And he didn't try and take it easy cause he had a name or great genetics - he always worked his butt off and fully deserved each of his wins.
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The fact that Dorian's opinion differs from that of your own, is hardly grounds to question the validity of his own beliefs. Especially, in light of the detailed basis provided for his views. Being that you merely provided a contrary opinion devoid of any substance, one could easily assert that your opnion is either baseless, or based in fiction.
My opinion is credible and shared by many others.
He never lost to Nasser overall and most certainly not to Shawn. A lot of the guys here in Getbig base their decision on a couple of pics and everyone takes bad pics. If you see the video for either contest, you'll see that Dorian was in a whole league by himself as soon as he turned to the side and the back, as well as in the front lat spread.
Not saying he lost to Nasser by a huge margin, but that year Nasser was just the better bodybuilder of the two. And my opinion isn't just based on a few muscletime pictures posted here and there. It's formed from pictures, opinions of many who've seen the tapes of the '97 O and the lack of credibility on the part of IFBB judges through the years.
The 1997 Mr. Olympia can be contested forever, because honestly it was just that close. Hell, even ND has said a few times that Nasser could have won in 1997. You know there's base to it even if ND hinted picking against his hero.
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Doing Milos' wife after she picked him up at the airport was REAL CLASSY.
ND-classy. :-[
Another one of my puppies following me into a thread lol
I don't known if he slept with anyone's wife and I don't care , it has nothing to do with his honesty when it comes to the sport and with this interview alone it accomplished two things proved I was right all along and made everything you ever typed null & void
pumpster I own you
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I don't known if he slept with anyone's wife and I don't care
Doesn't matter what the kid says, it's all there in past threads ;D yates is a POS no wonder ND relates lol
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My opinion is credible and shared by many others.
Not saying he lost to Nasser by a huge margin, but that year Nasser was just the better bodybuilder of the two. And my opinion isn't just based on a few muscletime pictures posted here and there. It's formed from pictures, opinions of many who've seen the tapes of the '97 O and the lack of credibility on the part of IFBB judges through the years.
The 1997 Mr. Olympia can be contested forever, because honestly it was just that close. Hell, even ND has said a few times that Nasser could have won in 1997. You know there's base to it even if ND hinted picking against his hero.
because an opinion is popular doesn't mean it's correct
and I said personally I don't think Yates should have won in 1997 but I understand why he won and it's like I always said too , Nasser may have beaten Dorian from the front , from the sides and the back he was left for dead , should Yates have won with a perfect score? NO dod Nasser clearly beat him in 97? NO
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Doesn't matter what the kid says, it's all there in past threads lol yates is a POS no wonder ND relates lol
I know you can't respond intelligently and you have to resort to personal attacks but you know you're wrong , we both do , what are you going to say? and you're quoting a source that has an axe to grind with Dorian , in court that would be called hear-say
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My opinion is credible and shared by many others.
Not saying he lost to Nasser by a huge margin, but that year Nasser was just the better bodybuilder of the two. And my opinion isn't just based on a few muscletime pictures posted here and there. It's formed from pictures, opinions of many who've seen the tapes of the '97 O and the lack of credibility on the part of IFBB judges through the years.
The 1997 Mr. Olympia can be contested forever, because honestly it was just that close. Hell, even ND has said a few times that Nasser could have won in 1997. You know there's base to it even if ND hinted picking against his hero.
Everyone has opinions, and in bodybuilding they are sure to vary. What must be taken into account, is the opinion of the judges based upon the actual judging criteria. Ultimately, that determines who is awarded the title. We can each apply our own perceived criteria, but that does not invalidate the criteria that is actually employed in deciding competitions.
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Q ] I'm not sure if you are aware but there has been an ongoing, long running debate on the Internet as to who was the better bodybuilder at the 1997 Mr. Olympia: you or second placed competitor, Nasser El Sonbaty? Could you set the record straight on this topic from your perspective as a six-time Mr. Olympia champion? In your view, who was the better bodybuilder on the night and why?
I wasn't aware of this debate, as I don't spend a lot of time looking into these kinds of things. These sites are usually for guys who live at home with their mum and don't have anything better to do. But (concerning a comparison with Nasser) I was not the best from all angles and not from the front - the front double biceps and relaxed pose.
He probably beat me in those poses, but the rest? No. But that might be the only thing that people look at when they view the comparisons: the front double biceps or just standing there relaxed.
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Q ] I'm not sure if you are aware but there has been an ongoing, long running debate on the Internet as to who was the better bodybuilder at the 1997 Mr. Olympia: you or second placed competitor, Nasser El Sonbaty? Could you set the record straight on this topic from your perspective as a six-time Mr. Olympia champion? In your view, who was the better bodybuilder on the night and why?
I wasn't aware of this debate, as I don't spend a lot of time looking into these kinds of things. These sites are usually for guys who live at home with their mum and don't have anything better to do. But (concerning a comparison with Nasser) I was not the best from all angles and not from the front - the front double biceps and relaxed pose.
He probably beat me in those poses, but the rest? No. But that might be the only thing that people look at when they view the comparisons: the front double biceps or just standing there relaxed.
I laughed out loud when I read that Dorian owning us ALL , at least I don't live at home with mum lol
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This is a great interview, Dorian lets go more and more as he gets older (although he did rip the shit out of Arnold in 1997 but this seems even more so)
Q ] And both injuries were on the left side. Is there any significance to both being on the same side?
Yes, both on the left side. Once you get one injury, and since your body works as a whole unit, it tends to knock on and affect everywhere else. Other places have to compensate and so on. I also have problems with my left shoulder now, all these years later.
So it's all on the left side and I'm sure it is all connected. You may have noticed it with Ronnie, even though he was denying it, he had a triceps tear and a lat tear on the one side; that's why he didn't look good in 2006 and 2007.
[ Q ] You wouldn't put Ronnie's injuries down to some kind of nerve impingement?
No, he had a muscle tear in both the triceps (one side) and in the lat muscles (same side) and that is very visible to me because I'm a f@cking expert on muscle tears. And what you would have noticed is the whole muscular balance and symmetry of his physique was kind of droopy.
Once you get a couple of injuries like that it just affects the way your body works when you are training. It doesn't work the same anymore. It's trying to overcompensate all of the time and you run the risk of sustaining injuries elsewhere, further along the chain.
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nice interview but it doesn't say anything new.. Dorian mentioned the same opinions regarding Nasser and Shawn more than 10 years ago in Flex magazine.. When comparing himself with Nasser why didn't he mention the side chest and front lat spread poses :D.. He would normally beat Nasser in the front lat spread but not in 1997 coz by this year Nasser learned hw to hit it right :D..
Why does the creator of the thread keep copying and pasting from the interview, we already read it..
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I wasn't aware of this debate, as I don't spend a lot of time looking into these kinds of things. These sites are usually for guys who live at home with their mum and don't have anything better to do
what a class act, insulting his fans
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Another quality Yates thread from ND 8)
Yates = Greatest Of All Time
(and I have had the pleasure of training in his gym four times a week for the past 12 years!)
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Another quality Yates thread from ND 8)
Yates = Greatest Of All Time
(and I have had the pleasure of training in his gym four times a week for the past 12 years!)
You should tell him to post up here, would be fun seeing some ownings from him.
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
Must read lol Shawn Ray , Nasser , all of them put in their places lol
awfully interesting and convenient that he doesn't comment on Ronnie, no?
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awfully interesting and convenient that he doesn't comment on Ronnie, no?
he does , he speaks highly of him too