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"Moving on...looking at this cover of Dennis Wolf, you have to ask: "What the fuck happened to him at the O?" Well, if you read the interview on page 196 you will find out, among other things, that he lost 15 pounds of muscle the last two weeks on a zero-carb diet! I'm not a fan of low-carb diets for building muscle. It's great for fat loss, but at the expense of losing lean muscle mass. "Assisted" bodybuilders have less of a concern, but it's still an issue for some guys. Low-carb diets lower testosterone, insulin and IGF-1, three important anabolic hormones. Low-carb diets also increase cortisol, a catabolic hormone plus increase blood acidity, which can also enhance muscle protein breakdown. I think low carbs were a mistake for Dennis. He also had an abdominal hernia, which accounted for his stomach protruding. He is having surgery in a couple of weeks to fix it and will be back training for the Olympia in January."
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15lbs my asshole, thats bullshit....
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Low-carb diets lower testosterone, insulin and IGF-1, three important anabolic hormones.
Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
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Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
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Dennis Wolf should ask Trey Brewer for some advice on making excuses.
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Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
lol no kidding, eh.... nothing a couple extra ticks on the old syringe won't fix. MD is a fucking stupid magazine. Same with their trunk sniffing Muscle Mob.
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trunk sniffing Muscle Mob.
classic :D
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Low-carb diets lower testosterone, insulin and IGF-1,
not true
and besides the levels of all these hormones in dennis body come from exogenous supplementation
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not true
and besides the levels of all these hormones in dennis body come from exogenous supplementation
Yup. I think it had to do more with this being his first time working with Chad and Chad not really knowing how Dennis' body works all that well. Wolf has a very fast metabolism and said he was ready for the O 5 weeks out. Judging from some of the pics he had posted I would have agreed. He was looking thick, full and shredded. Overdieting was the culprit, not the diet he was on.
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Yup. I think it had to do more with this being his first time working with Chad and Chad not really knowing how Dennis' body works all that well. Wolf has a very fast metabolism and said he was ready for the O 5 weeks out. Judging from some of the pics he had posted I would have agreed. He was looking thick, full and shredded. Overdieting was the culprit, not the diet he was on.
Wolf this year was Coleman 2002. Let's hope next year he'll be Coleman 2003. ;)
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t3 o'dose
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t3 o'dose
Luke Wood. :-\
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not true
and besides the levels of all these hormones in dennis body come from exogenous supplementation
Yes true..
But you are correct that in Dennis it would make no difference as his bodys hormones are not naturaly produced.
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excuses, excuses.
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Ahahahahagba thats the thread of the week and chaos has made the post of the week.
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Am I supposed to be offended? It doesn't apply to me. ::)
How would you like a little timeout? :D
You get Time out for stating a truth? ???
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Nobody loses 15 lbs in two weeks, not even an 80 year old woman on cortisol steroids.
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Nobody loses 15 lbs in two weeks, not even an 80 year old woman on cortisol steroids.
Tryed,diuretics,throid meds,clen,thermos,diet,lots of cardio and intense weight training have we?
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"Moving on...looking at this cover of Dennis Wolf, you have to ask: "What the fuck happened to him at the O?" Well, if you read the interview on page 196 you will find out, among other things, that he lost 15 pounds of muscle the last two weeks on a zero-carb diet! I'm not a fan of low-carb diets for building muscle. It's great for fat loss, but at the expense of losing lean muscle mass. "Assisted" bodybuilders have less of a concern, but it's still an issue for some guys. Low-carb diets lower testosterone, insulin and IGF-1, three important anabolic hormones. Low-carb diets also increase cortisol, a catabolic hormone plus increase blood acidity, which can also enhance muscle protein breakdown. I think low carbs were a mistake for Dennis. He also had an abdominal hernia, which accounted for his stomach protruding. He is having surgery in a couple of weeks to fix it and will be back training for the Olympia in January."
Low carb, high protein, moderate fat is the best diet for losing fat
eating fat actually makes your body produce more testosterone and HGH
and eating low carb prevents insulin from being released.
When your body is not in ketosis, it is always looking for a sounce of carb, and if it doesn't find it, it will break down muscle tissue.
You got this wrong, as most "contest gurus" use the low carb moderate fat and high protein diet ;)
Right Jim?
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Low carb, high protein, moderate fat is the best diet for losing fat
eating fat actually makes your body produce more testosterone and HGH
and eating low carb prevents insulin from being released.
When your body is not in ketosis, it is always looking for a sounce of carb, and if it doesn't find it, it will break down muscle tissue.
You got this wrong, as most "contest gurus" use the low carb moderate fat and high protein diet ;)
Right Jim?
Everyones different,what works for you may not work for me..learn that and you will know there are no absolutes in this game just like life.
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Everyones different,what works for you may not work for me..learn that and you will know there are no absolutes in this game just like life.
you're very correct will. ;)
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Simply put, Wolf lost too much size prior to the contest.
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I'm still not fully convinced that one can lose that amount of meat off of one's frame in that amount of time.
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Yup. I think it had to do more with this being his first time working with Chad and Chad not really knowing how Dennis' body works all that well. Wolf has a very fast metabolism and said he was ready for the O 5 weeks out. Judging from some of the pics he had posted I would have agreed. He was looking thick, full and shredded. Overdieting was the culprit, not the diet he was on.
Why do so many bodybuilders, even after establishing themselves and finding success, somehow fall under the misapprehension that "teh Chad" will have some sort of innate ability to dial them in even better? Is it logical to think that by e-mailing photos to him, that all of a sudden he will know how their bodies respond, better than they do themselves? If it aint broke, why not continue to improve on what you have been doing? We're not talking about beginners here, but high level pros. Somehow though, everyone has been brainwashed into thinking a "guru" is a must have. These guys should stop being so mindless and lazy and take control over their own prep and their own careers.
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Why do so many bodybuilders, even after establishing themselves and finding success, somehow fall under the misapprehension that "teh Chad" will have some sort of innate ability to dial them in even better? Is it logical to think that by e-mailing photos to him, that all of a sudden he will know how their bodies respond, better than they do themselves? If it aint broke, why not continue to improve on what you have been doing? We're not talking about beginners here, but high level pros. Somehow though, everyone has been brainwashed into thinking a "guru" is a must have. These guys should stop being so mindless and lazy and take control over their own prep and their own careers.
I agree with what Dorian said about gurus, it's bullshit.
You're the bodybuilder, you have to figure out how to do it for yourself.
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I agree with what Dorian said about gurus, it's bullshit.
You're the bodybuilder, you have to figure out how to do it for yourself.
i would agree but alot of these guys DONT know alot of stuff that SOME of the "guru's" do know... so workign with them will be very beneficial... nw personally i havent seen anything or heard anything or read anything from chad nichols that would make me think he is a good prep guy/guru.... however the smple fact ronnie worked with him does kinda have some clout.. but IMO id go with Milos before chad ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
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i would agree but alot of these guys DONT know alot of stuff that SOME of the "guru's" do know... so workign with them will be very beneficial... nw personally i havent seen anything or heard anything or read anything from chad nichols that would make me think he is a good prep guy/guru.... however the smple fact ronnie worked with him does kinda have some clout.. but IMO id go with Milos before chad ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
same here, Milos knows his shit and is somebody you can trust.
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Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
lol
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Maybe cos milos has walked the walk? Has Chad ever got on stage using himself as a guinea pig?
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I googled Chad Nicholas and I got this picture? ??? ??? LOL WTF?
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/02/07/opinion/miafarrow.jpg)
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Maybe cos milos has walked the walk? Has Chad ever got on stage using himself as a guinea pig?
no not rea;;y that but that does has something to do with it (if chad really is sucha genius he should at least be shredded and have a killer body for getting chicks) ..but more so cuz milos seems to know more and i like the way milos thinks bout bodybuilding..
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" NEW MD COVER "Howlin Wolf, WTF happened at the O? "
He looked like shit and got owned, thats what happened.
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I'd be curious to know what medical education Chad Nicholls has. I recall he almost killed Branch. And besides Ronnie who did he actually get to the top? Flex and Nasser were both in their best condition long before they got with Chad.
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That's a great cover for a great man and a shitty "magazine".
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I googled Chad Nicholas and I got this picture? ??? ??? LOL WTF?
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/02/07/opinion/miafarrow.jpg)
Nichols
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i would agree but alot of these guys DONT know alot of stuff that SOME of the "guru's" do know... so workign with them will be very beneficial... nw personally i havent seen anything or heard anything or read anything from chad nichols that would make me think he is a good prep guy/guru.... however the smple fact ronnie worked with him does kinda have some clout.. but IMO id go with Milos before chad ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
No doubt there may be an initial stage where one has to learn certain things from another, or try a different approach, but at what point does a person begin to display independence? I've never understood the propensity to pay a "guru" year after year, unless the role is that of a "supplier". In saying that, I'm not making an accusation, but is it not perplexing that a person would continue to pay such an "adviser" and not eventually take over responsibility for themselves? Then again, why would a top level pro like Flex Wheeler continue to need to be surrounded by an assortment of people to hold his hand for all aspects of his prep (Glass/ Teh Chad)? It has become commonplace for a pro to, in my opinion, not really be a professional in their bodybuilding endeavors. They want to relieve themselves of all the burdens and responsibilities and not have to think for themselves. A guy like Wheeler would have had others lift for him as well if he could have. The funny thing is that there are people that would in turn pay such a pro to train them, because hey, they are a successful pro. But really, if such a pro can't train and diet for themselves, what the hell do they know??
At least in Ronnie's case, he did train hard and had the requisite dedication, but after a number of years you'd think he could have done away with such a reliance on "teh Chad" and kept more of his paycheck for himself.
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Nicholls
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Low carb, high protein, moderate fat is the best diet for losing fat
eating fat actually makes your body produce more testosterone and HGH
and eating low carb prevents insulin from being released.
When your body is not in ketosis, it is always looking for a sounce of carb, and if it doesn't find it, it will break down muscle tissue.
You got this wrong, as most "contest gurus" use the low carb moderate fat and high protein diet ;)
Right Jim?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9
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not true
and besides the levels of all these hormones in dennis body come from exogenous supplementation
Exactly:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1334192
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I would just once, ever, love a bodybuilder to say 'i got beat because im not as good as him' or something like that, instead of all these horseshit excuses every time somebody loses.
Bpdybuilders are truely the most pathetic bunch of assholes on gods green earth !! ::)
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I would just once, ever, love a bodybuilder to say 'i got beat because im not as good as him' or something like that, instead of all these horseshit excuses every time somebody loses.
Bpdybuilders are truely the most pathetic bunch of assholes on gods green earth !! ::)
YES!! We want the truth!!
"I got beat because someone sold me fake gear!"
"I got beat because i was too lazy too train right!"
Stuff like that.
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YES!! We want the truth!!
"I got beat because someone sold me fake gear!"
"I got beat because i was too lazy too train right!"
Stuff like that.
exactly DK!!
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Bullshit that he lost that much muscle, or any muscle, in the weeks leading up to the Olympia.
He was prepping with Chad, who is no fool. I doubt that he'd allow The Wolfe to lose that much and not do anything to stop it!
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Bullshit that he lost that much muscle, or any muscle, in the weeks leading up to the Olympia.
He was prepping with Chad, who is no fool. I doubt that he'd allow The Wolfe to lose that much and not do anything to stop it!
"Teh Chad" is not infallible. Not too mention this being their first time working together. The voodoo surrounding contest prep has increased over the years and as a result, consistency tends to be a roll of the dice. Everyone thinks they can make adjustments at the last minute to save the day, but it doesn't always work.
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Didn't Milos take him from 15th to 5th at the Olympia? He should just go back to Milos imo.
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"Teh Chad" is not infallible. Not too mention this being their first time working together. The voodoo surrounding contest prep has increased over the years and as a result, consistency tends to be a roll of the dice. Everyone thinks they can make adjustments at the last minute to save the day, but it doesn't always work.
I'm not insinuating that 'Teh Chad' is infallible. However, he's a fairly bright guy when it comes to his field. I'm sure he was working with Wolfe long enough to try a few trial runs. As well, Chad would probably listen to Wolfe or know from the get-go that maybe Wolfe doesn't respond well to low carbs.
I just think the whole story is BS, and that MD is trying to point blame at someone else because Wolfe (I think, though not sure) is an MD boy. Chad is not, though some of his athletes may be, thus it's easier for MD to say "Wolfe didn't take the title like we'd hoped all year, because Chad messed his nutrition with lower carbs. Meanwhile Dexter took the rug out from under our boy because Chad messed him up."
Anyhoo...
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Wolf will be back...
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_um_5eR7Uqzc/SRSM9vfkDUI/AAAAAAAAAI4/ruL4a8lTuWU/s512/cf37015419.jpg)
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Explain why Toney Freeman, who was on a low carb diet, looked amazing and the best he ever has at the O this year?
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Explain why Toney Freeman, who was on a low carb diet, looked amazing and the best he ever has at the O this year?
not everybody is the same, what works for one may not work for the other, different genetics.
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http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9
grat article anssi, always like your work
could you go post here to let the nutirion mods know you dont mind me pulling a clip from you article ?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251568.msg3537330#new
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Didn't Milos take him from 15th to 5th at the Olympia? He should just go back to Milos imo.
Yes!
Snake Oil worked well for him.
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Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
trying to keep muscle with only 4000 mg a week is hard.
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dont hate something you could never achieve
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"Moving on...looking at this cover of Dennis Wolf, you have to ask: "What the fuck happened to him at the O?" Well, if you read the interview on page 196 you will find out, among other things, that he lost 15 pounds of muscle the last two weeks on a zero-carb diet! I'm not a fan of low-carb diets for building muscle. It's great for fat loss, but at the expense of losing lean muscle mass. "Assisted" bodybuilders have less of a concern, but it's still an issue for some guys. Low-carb diets lower testosterone, insulin and IGF-1, three important anabolic hormones. Low-carb diets also increase cortisol, a catabolic hormone plus increase blood acidity, which can also enhance muscle protein breakdown. I think low carbs were a mistake for Dennis. He also had an abdominal hernia, which accounted for his stomach protruding. He is having surgery in a couple of weeks to fix it and will be back training for the Olympia in January."
So much BS, so little time, will concentrate on these two BS sentences only. There is not a shred of evidence suggesting that a low-carb diet decreases blood testosterone or intra-muscular IGF-1. Also, just wondering if Steve has any freaking clue how high the blood T is if one takes let say 4 x 250 mg sustanon weekly compared with the physiological (normal) levels? Finally, insulin is obviously a fat storage hormone too. Steve thinks low carbs were mistake for Dennis? Who gives a shit? When was the last time Steve was preparing a top BB for a show?? ::)
A couple of studies (abstracts) refuting those Blechman ramblings:
Metabolism. 2002 Jul;51(7):864-70. Links
Body composition and hormonal responses to a carbohydrate-restricted diet.Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Love DM, Avery NG, Gómez AL, Scheett TP, Kraemer WJ.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269-1110, USA.
The few studies that have examined body composition after a carbohydrate-restricted diet have reported enhanced fat loss and preservation of lean body mass in obese individuals. The role of hormones in mediating this response is unclear. We examined the effects of a 6-week carbohydrate-restricted diet on total and regional body composition and the relationships with fasting hormone concentrations. Twelve healthy normal-weight men switched from their habitual diet (48% carbohydrate) to a carbohydrate-restricted diet (8% carbohydrate) for 6 weeks and 8 men served as controls, consuming their normal diet. Subjects were encouraged to consume adequate dietary energy to maintain body mass during the intervention. Total and regional body composition and fasting blood samples were assessed at weeks 0, 3, and 6 of the experimental period. Fat mass was significantly (P <or=.05) decreased (-3.4 kg) and lean body mass significantly increased (+1.1 kg) at week 6. There was a significant decrease in serum insulin (-34%), and an increase in total thyroxine (T(4)) (+11%) and the free T(4) index (+13%). Approximately 70% of the variability in fat loss on the carbohydrate-restricted diet was accounted for by the decrease in serum insulin concentrations. There were no significant changes in glucagon, total or free testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), cortisol, or triiodothyronine (T(3)) uptake, nor were there significant changes in body composition or hormones in the control group. Thus, we conclude that a carbohydrate-restricted diet resulted in a significant reduction in fat mass and a concomitant increase in lean body mass in normal-weight men, which may be partially mediated by the reduction in circulating insulin concentrations. Copyright 2002, Elsevier Science (USA). All rights reserved.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Sep;90(9):5175-81. Epub 2005 Jun 21. Links
Effects of dietary carbohydrate restriction with high protein intake on protein metabolism and the somatotropic axis.Harber MP, Schenk S, Barkan AL, Horowitz JF.
University of Michigan, Division of Kinesiology, 401 Washtenaw Avenue, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2208, USA.
CONTEXT: Alterations in dietary macronutrient intake can influence protein turnover. OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to assess the influence of a low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet (LC/HP) on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and whole-body proteolysis, without the confounding influence of a negative energy balance. DESIGN: Nine-day dietary intervention was applied. SETTING: Subjects remained in the General Clinical Research Center throughout the 9-d study. PARTICIPANTS: Eight young, healthy volunteers participated. INTERVENTION: Subjects ate a typical Western diet (60% carbohydrate, 30% fat, 10% protein) for 2 d, followed immediately by 7 d of an isocaloric LC/HP (5% carbohydrate, 60% fat, 35% protein). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Skeletal muscle fractional synthetic rate and whole-body proteolysis [leucine rate of appearance in plasma (Ra)] were measured after an overnight fast before and after 2 and 7 d of LC/HP. We also measured plasma concentrations of insulin, GH, and IGF-I. RESULTS: Leucine Ra was increased (P = 0.03) after 2 and 7 d of LC/HP, and muscle fractional synthetic rate was approximately 2-fold higher (P < 0.01) after 7 d of LC/HP. Fat free mass was not altered by LC/HP. Average 24-h plasma insulin concentration was 50% lower (P < 0.001) after 2 and 7 d of LC/HP, whereas GH secretion and total plasma IGF-I concentrations were unchanged with LC/HP. However, plasma free IGF-I decreased by approximately 30% after 7 d of LC/HP (P = 0.002), whereas muscle IGF-I mRNA increased about 2-fold (P = 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Increasing dietary protein content during a 7-d carbohydrate restricted diet stimulated muscle protein synthesis and whole-body proteolysis without a measurable change in fat free mass.
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grat article anssi, always like your work
could you go post here to let the nutirion mods know you dont mind me pulling a clip from you article ?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251568.msg3537330#new
Thanks. I dont mind.
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Nobody loses 15 lbs in two weeks, not even an 80 year old woman on cortisol steroids.
Lol, some fucks here could lose 15lbs on the Biggest Loser.
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Yeah, I'm sure low levels of these hormones affected Dennis a lot..... ::)
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