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Yes or no answer.
Interested to know what the getbig masses think.
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no
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I hope I don't offend anyone but I'm thinking Yes here...!!
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Arnold had terrible calves then prioritized* them into one of his greatest bodybparts!
* Weider principle
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I am hoping that we once and for all can get to the bottom of this and I challenge all experts of the board to come together to try to crack this case!!
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I am hoping that we once and for all can get to the bottom of this and I challenge all experts of the board to come together to try to crack this case!!
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Amen. I need some closure on this shit Blute!
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Amen. I need some closure on this shit Blute!
Me too, enough of the sleepless nights!
What if... ?
Is the question here, again I'm not trying to offend anyone (and especially not you Arnold if you're reading this)
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no. show us pics of the year he got them, and a pic from the year before he got them so we can see the dramatic difference.
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I know the answer... oh yes indeed I do.
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They are a mixture of hard training and site injections (deep tissue; probably eisclene).
Anybody who has very good calf genetics (Yates for example) will have long soleus muscles and thick gastrocs. Arnold has a thin, short soleus and all the mass is in the gastroc... that doesn't happen genetically.
When a natural (ie: no site injections) calf is flexed with the foot hooked (acute angle between foot and shin), then the inner head of the gastroc is a flat oval shape. When Arnold turned his leg to show off the inner head of his gastroc, as he did at the beginning of his 1980 Mr O routine, then the site injections are exposed... there is a lip of swollen tissue on the lower edge of the inner gastroc head.
Nasser el Sonbaty had the exact same thing... a lip of lumpy tissue at the lower edge of the inner gastroc.
It's a dead giveaway... just like a peaked lump in the middle of a stretched bicep in the upper arm.
If someone can dig up pictures of Arnold or Nasser doing this pose that would help illustrate what I mean.
The Luke
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They are a mixture of hard training and site injections (deep tissue; probably eisclene).
Anybody who has very good calf genetics (Yates for example) will have long soleus muscles and thick gastrocs. Arnold has a thin, short soleus and all the mass is in the gastroc... that doesn't happen genetically.
When a natural (ie: no site injections) calf is flexed with the foot hooked (acute angle between foot and shin), then the inner head of the gastroc is a flat oval shape. When Arnold turned his leg to show off the inner head of his gastroc, as he did at the beginning of his 1980 Mr O routine, then the site injections are exposed... there is a lip of swollen tissue on the lower edge of the inner gastroc head.
Nasser el Sonbaty had the exact same thing... a lip of lumpy tissue at the lower edge of the inner gastroc.
It's a dead giveaway... just like a peaked lump in the middle of a stretched bicep in the upper arm.
If someone can dig up pictures of Arnold or Nasser doing this pose that would help illustrate what I mean.
The Luke
I know a guy with this "calf lump" who doesn't even train calves, all philo genetics, and basketball.
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I know a guy with this "calf lump" who doesn't even train calves, all philo genetics, and basketball.
...post a pic.
I think you are referring to the natural beveled edge of a well developed gastroc... not the artificial scar tissue I'm referring to.
Wait for someone to dig up a photo.
The Luke
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Yes or no answer.
Interested to know what the getbig masses think.
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these are
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...post a pic.
I think you are referring to the natural beveled edge of a well developed gastroc... not the artificial scar tissue I'm referring to.
Wait for someone to dig up a photo.
The Luke
Last time Arnold stepped on stage was 1980. You sure, Luke? I'm thinking these things didn't really crop up 'til later. ???
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Last time Arnold stepped on stage was 1980. You sure, Luke? I'm thinking these things didn't really crop up 'til later. ???
...you missed my first post in this thread. I reckon they are site injections (albeit coupled with some muscle built with hard training).
They are a mixture of hard training and site injections (deep tissue; probably eisclene).
Anybody who has very good calf genetics (Yates for example) will have long soleus muscles and thick gastrocs. Arnold has a thin, short soleus and all the mass is in the gastroc... that doesn't happen genetically.
When a natural (ie: no site injections) calf is flexed with the foot hooked (acute angle between foot and shin), then the inner head of the gastroc is a flat oval shape. When Arnold turned his leg to show off the inner head of his gastroc, as he did at the beginning of his 1980 Mr O routine, then the site injections are exposed... there is a lip of swollen tissue on the lower edge of the inner gastroc head.
Nasser el Sonbaty had the exact same thing... a lip of lumpy tissue at the lower edge of the inner gastroc.
It's a dead giveaway... just like a peaked lump in the middle of a stretched bicep in the upper arm.
If someone can dig up pictures of Arnold or Nasser doing this pose that would help illustrate what I mean.
Not synthol... but maybe eisclene or some other heavy-oil based steroid.
The Luke
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???
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real
(http://www.globalarnold.com/images/ga31.jpg)
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Did they even have calf implants back in the late 70's/early 80's...?
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real ;)
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Good work ND.
You can clearly see the extra lip on both of Nasser's inner gastrocs in those pictures... these lumps are a dead giveaway for site injections. The scar tissue is somewhere in the underlying soleus muscle belly.
I got my own calves up to 18.75'' (just shy of 19'' when pumped), but I'm a special case... I have "Celtic gene syndrome" just like Dorian Yates:
-short upper arms
-large elbows
-large knees
-tendonous biceps
-small hands (broad palms with stubby fingers)
-small short feet
-a bell-shaped/barrel ribcage
It's the result of being the descendant of a long, long line of snow-trudging forest-dwelling dwarves.
Even with 18'' calves (at only 5'5'') that rubbed together when I walked... my inner gastroc head was completely flat, with a nicely stepped bevelled lower lip... no lumps, no protrusions.
Dem der is dos sites injekchuns.
The Luke
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...post a pic.
I think you are referring to the natural beveled edge of a well developed gastroc... not the artificial scar tissue I'm referring to.
Wait for someone to dig up a photo.
The Luke
I may have a pic of them somewhere.
The lumps on his looked like smaller versions of the ones Nasser and Mike Mentzer have/had.
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no he did not!
and neither did nasser!
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no he did not!
and neither did nasser!
Moron.
The Luke
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Moron.
The Luke
How's bigfoot and the Yeti doing?
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...post a pic.
I think you are referring to the natural beveled edge of a well developed gastroc... not the artificial scar tissue I'm referring to.
Wait for someone to dig up a photo.
The Luke
Ok, here's a pic of my friend's calf. Obviously the lump isn't near as big as Nasser's but it's still there. What is it?
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Moron.
The Luke
no u are
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Ok, here's a pic of my friend's calf. Obviously the lump isn't near as big as Nasser's but it's still there. What is it?
It's just there, I have the same thing.
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It's just there, I have the same thing.
You been injecting your calves chaos? :D
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GetRowdy,
I understand your confusion. The lump illustrated in the photo is located between the two gastroc heads, not on the inner lower lip of the inner gastroc head.
It's mostly genetic and has a few different causes...
-the central strands of either gastroc head are well developed
-some of the central strands of either gastroc are attached directly to the fascia that merges with the Achilles tendon
-a gap between the gastrocs allow some of the soleus muscle to come through
The picture of Nasser shows what I'm talking about.
The Luke
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You been injecting your calves chaos? :D
I wish....... ::)
No, I just have the same little bump right there, my calves are naturally big.
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Not sure about his calf. I heard he did have bicep implants to help keep his muscle-man look later on in movie career.
For certain he did have various facial cosmetic surgeries....
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When they're doing the photo shoot with him in PUmping Iron and they zoom in on his calves they just look too detailed and striated to be fake.
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Haters will always hate.
Fact is, Arnold didn't have calf implants. His genetic calf shape from the front, side and back hasn't changed from the early days up until his last contest. If anyone can prove any different, please do. 8)
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Ok, here's a pic of my friend's calf. Obviously the lump isn't near as big as Nasser's but it's still there. What is it?
I see your friend is wearing bright purple socks, old beat up boots and shorts. Typical bb.
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He got them in Mexico, 1970 I think
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Haters will always hate.
Fact is, Arnold didn't have calf implants. His genetic calf shape from the front, side and back hasn't changed from the early days up until his last contest. If anyone can prove any different, please do. 8)
looks like a lower vertabrae implant to me!
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How's bigfoot and the Yeti doing?
lmao
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Some interesting speculation in this thread, keep em coming so we can reach closure!
:)
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It is KNOWN throughout the bodybuilding community of the 1970's that Arnold DID have calf implants in the early 70's. He had no calves one year and then a year later turned up with massive ones. It is FACT.
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It is KNOWN throughout the bodybuilding community of the 1970's that Arnold DID have calf implants in the early 70's. He had no calves one year and then a year later turned up with massive ones. It is FACT.
BS, he never had "no calves" Look at his old pics. He always had decent calves. They blew up when he finally started training them.
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BS, he never had "no calves" Look at his old pics. He always had decent calves. They blew up when he finally started training them.
I saw him up close training calves in Oz in 1980 and the muscle was flexing UNDER something artificial. No doubt they were "enhanced"
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Doesnt he have decent calves even to this day? Wouldnt they have shrunk if he trained them?
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Arnold had high calves, and all of a sudden there huge and the shape is different, he has that kind of control, he can actually change the shape of his muscle, change his genetics, that why Mentzer was really so pissed at him.
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can u flex implants?
here's Arnold days before the show (1980) take a look.....
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End of discussion.... (for now)
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ok, so let's just assume for the moment he got calf implants. In Mexico. In the 70's. did he immediately kill this doctor that could perform a procedure that no doctor could replicate since? why didn't Ronnie Coleman, Dex, Wolf, and the tons of other top pros that to this day have no calves go see this miracle worker??
and again, let's see pictures of Arnold's calves the year before and the year after the implants.
there is a doctor in my town that gave a girl a great set of fake tits. within five years, he had done hundreds of these surguries, and there are hundreds of doctors around doing the same surgury to thousands of girls. don't you think Ronnie would have paid more for a convincing set of calf implants than the average girl would pay for tits?? why aren't calves like Arnold's on every weak calved pro by now??
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Jeez,the only "implants" that you dudes should be talking about is a chicks breast implants.
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What part of "soleus muscle scar tissue from site injections" don't you guys understand?
The gastrocs flex because he built up scar tissue in the soleus (underlying muscle). How else can someone have enormously developed gastrocs with little to nothing in the way of soleus development?
The Luke
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They are a mixture of hard training and site injections (deep tissue; probably eisclene).
Anybody who has very good calf genetics (Yates for example) will have long soleus muscles and thick gastrocs. Arnold has a thin, short soleus and all the mass is in the gastroc... that doesn't happen genetically.
When a natural (ie: no site injections) calf is flexed with the foot hooked (acute angle between foot and shin), then the inner head of the gastroc is a flat oval shape. When Arnold turned his leg to show off the inner head of his gastroc, as he did at the beginning of his 1980 Mr O routine, then the site injections are exposed... there is a lip of swollen tissue on the lower edge of the inner gastroc head.
Nasser el Sonbaty had the exact same thing... a lip of lumpy tissue at the lower edge of the inner gastroc.
I have that lump in my right calf, and have never once injected in my calf.
It's a dead giveaway... just like a peaked lump in the middle of a stretched bicep in the upper arm.
If someone can dig up pictures of Arnold or Nasser doing this pose that would help illustrate what I mean.
The Luke
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It is KNOWN throughout the bodybuilding community of the 1970's that Arnold DID have calf implants in the early 70's. He had no calves one year and then a year later turned up with massive ones. It is FACT.
maybe he used the Weider specialization principles?
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Arnies calf at the 67 Universe,and screencaps from PI.The shape is the same,he just has more size,seperation and condition.
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Arnies calf at the 67 Universe,and screencaps from PI.The shape is the same,he just has more size,seperation and condition.
Thanks for posting that. He never trained his calves, thats why they were kinda weak. When he started blasting them they grew.
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These silly bastards in the 70's injected silicone into the muscle(and escliene/sp)...Arnold's calves and arms were full of them...Arnold later on got calf implants
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Another easy way to know about implants in Arnolds legs are the fact that when he lost a ton of size later on in life and didn't train(around the time of his bypass or whatever it was he had done) his calves were the only thing on him that looked trained...That just doesn't happen to people who genetically have small bodyparts...Including Calves and forarms...even these muscle groups almost disappear...
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The thing I don't understand is how his calves went from basically non-existent to some of the best of the time in pretty much a year.
If it was just hard training, why didn't he do the same with his thighs?
I am guessing that this is one of the best examples of the Weider principles helping the bodybuilder so much. Thanks Joe.
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Another easy way to know about implants in Arnolds legs are the fact that when he lost a ton of size later on in life and didn't train(around the time of his bypass or whatever it was he had done) his calves were the only thing on him that looked trained...That just doesn't happen to people who genetically have small bodyparts...Including Calves and forarms...even these muscle groups almost disappear...
I asked the same thing on the training board and the self proclaimed "expert on training" pumpster claimed that walking around (!) and doing a little cardio (!!) was enough for arnolds calves to remain their size even to this day ::) ::) ::)
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The thing I don't understand is how his calves went from basically non-existent to some of the best of the time in pretty much a year.
If it was just hard training, why didn't he do the same with his thighs?
I am guessing that this is one of the best examples of the Weider principles helping the bodybuilder so much. Thanks Joe.
If you think it only took a year to build those calves, think again. Some people need to do their history before commenting.
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If you think it only took a year to build those calves, think again. Some people need to do their history before commenting.
I have, don't get angry and upset that Arnie's calves are possibly in question, he is still our muscle hero!
He said , quite clearly, that he cut off all his trousers and within a year his calves had become one of his strongest bodyparts. This is well documented.
So maybe you should apply your last sentence to your own postings and advices?
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Arnold never had weak calves.
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Arnold never had weak calves.
That's not what he says.
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I have, don't get angry and upset that Arnie's calves are possibly in question, he is still our muscle hero!
He said , quite clearly, that he cut off all his trousers and within a year his calves had become one of his strongest bodyparts. This is well documented.
So maybe you should apply you last sentence to your own postings and advices?
TrueGrit, you're like my son. On the day of the posting, I am your father. View the footage of Arnold through the years and you'll see his calves got progressively bigger overtime. What Arnold may have been referring to is the difference between one year's contest and another.
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That's not what he says.
Yeah I know.
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TrueGrit, you're like my son. On the day of the posting, I am your father. View the footage of Arnold through the years and you'll see his calves got progressively bigger overtime. What Arnold may have been referring to is the difference between one year's contest and another.
Like I said, It's Arnold's words, not mine - and certainly not yours.
Now, we can argue about another man's calves all day but it is an established fact that when he first came to the U.S he had puny calves that he was deeply embarrassed by. Within one calendar year they had changed beyond almost all recognition.
Arnold has been interviewed about this numerous times and says it was just a result of an extremely hard prioritisation programme. Seriously, it's you who needs to do 'history' if you're taking issue with this.
The question is not ..'did Arnold bring up his calves in a year?' but 'How did Arnold bring up his calves in a year?'.
Now, no more claptrap about your son.
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If Arnold didn't get calf implants, he never would have become a movie star and then Governor of California.
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Good work ND.
You can clearly see the extra lip on both of Nasser's inner gastrocs in those pictures... these lumps are a dead giveaway for site injections. The scar tissue is somewhere in the underlying soleus muscle belly.
I got my own calves up to 18.75'' (just shy of 19'' when pumped), but I'm a special case... I have "Celtic gene syndrome" just like Dorian Yates:
-short upper arms
-large elbows
-large knees
-tendonous biceps
-small hands (broad palms with stubby fingers)
-small short feet
-a bell-shaped/barrel ribcage
It's the result of being the descendant of a long, long line of snow-trudging forest-dwelling dwarves.
Even with 18'' calves (at only 5'5'') that rubbed together when I walked... my inner gastroc head was completely flat, with a nicely stepped bevelled lower lip... no lumps, no protrusions.
Dem der is dos sites injekchuns.
The Luke
You are special. No one else has this 'celtic' condition.
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Nothing u read here in this thread should suprise u.because anything u see or read in any era of bbing whether 60,70,80,90's is taken to the extreme of what was available.
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Nothing u read here in this thread should suprise u.because anything u see or read in any era of bbing whether 60,70,80,90's is taken to the extreme of what was available.
Do you think Arnie had implants/ site injections of oil or steroids, or was it just hard work and lots of donkey calf raises with fitness gangbang sluts on his back?
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You are special. No one else has this 'celtic' condition.
...you Americans think you are "Irish" when you are 1/64th Irish.
Come over here... you'll see 16'' calves on 5' tall girls.
The Luke
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...you Americans think you are "Irish" when you are 1/64th Irish.
Come over here... you'll see 16'' calves on 5' tall girls.
The Luke
Every man's fantasy!* :-\
*c Mars
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...you Americans think you are "Irish" when you are 1/64th Irish.
Come over here... you'll see 16'' calves on 5' tall girls.
The Luke
I'll remember not to come to ireland, your girls are a bunch of freaks :-X
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Every man's fantasy!* :-\
I'll remember not to come to ireland, your girls are a bunch of freaks :-X
...nothing like a thick-ankle girl.
Seriously though... I had 14'' calves at twelve years old and only five foot nothing tall. Now I can't even roll up my trousers.
I'm right about the scar tissue in the soleus muscle by the way.
The Luke
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and why is it that Ronnie, Wolf, Dex and the rest of them avoided this procedure that worked so amazing in the 70's?? striating implants seem pretty high tech to me
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would you inject silicone into your muscles?
no, but anyone who would do what todays pros are doing wouldn't think twice!
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:)
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and why is it that Ronnie, Wolf, Dex and the rest of them avoided this procedure that worked so amazing in the 70's?? striating implants seem pretty high tech to me
Exactly my thoughts Hazbin,and surely Flex would have got these magic striated vascular detailed calves implanted with all the money he won when he first turned pro.Instead of the smooth bulbous looking footballs he decided on.
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Crwonshep and Hazbin,
Arnold has site-injection scar tissue in his soleus muscle underlying the gastrocs (which are somewhat developed). Because the gastroc is stretched over the scar tissue the fibers are spread crating the striations (and the tell tale lumps in the inner gastroc, which should be flat).
Bodybuilders with genuinely well developed (100% muscle) calves have no such spread striation when they hook their foot. See: Mike Matarazzo; Erik Frankhauser; Dorian Yates.
Nasser el Sonbaty; Aaron Baker and Arnold do.
They aren't implants, to argue such is ridiculous... it's a mixture of real muscle and underlying site-injection scar tissue... simple and obvious.
No one can have huge gastrocs with thin shitty solea... it's just not possible genetically.
The Luke