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Title: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 11, 2008, 04:26:49 PM
Is TO right? Seems a lot of the team actually sides with him.

Sources: T.O.'s expressed resentment toward Romo & Witten
Updated: December 11, 2008

 According to multiple sources within the Dallas Cowboys, there is an emerging internal conflict involving three of the team's highest-profile stars.

As the preseason Super Bowl favorites struggle in the final month of the season to simply make the playoffs, wide receiver Terrell Owens has expressed resentment toward Tony Romo, apparently jealous of the quarterback's relationship with tight end Jason Witten.

Owens feels that Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates who came to Dallas in the same offseason -- hold private meetings in which they create plays the two will use in upcoming games without including Owens in the conversations, according to a source who speaks regularly with Owens' teammates. Owens believes these discussions have worked to his detriment as Romo seeks to deliver the ball to Witten regardless of whether Owens is open.

"I don't know anything about that," Wade Phillips said when asked about a possible rift at his news conference on Thursday.

"We've thrown for a lot of yards with a lot of players. One receiver is pretty close to 1,000 yards. ... There's no favoritism there, we are going to the guy that is going to be open."

Owens declined to discuss the situation on Thursday outside the Cowboys' locker room. As he walked toward the players' lounge at Valley Ranch, ESPN asked Owens if he would answer questions and he said, "Nope.''

Linebacker Bradie James acknowledged to ESPN that his status as one of the team captains has caused him to play a peacemaker role between Romo and Owens.

"Whenever the fire gets blazing, I know,'' James said. "Sometimes, I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but we all talk.

"It just is what it is ... It's just two different guys, two different personalities and they know what's at stake. They know that everybody needs them. And there's no dislike. It's just sometimes, not everybody is going to see eye to eye. That's what makes a football team.''

A current Cowboys player compared Owens' behavior to that which led to problems with his former quarterbacks, Jeff Garcia in San Francisco and Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia. Those failed relationships and problems with the head coaches and other teammates led to Owens' exile from those teams and made him available to Dallas owner Jerry Jones in 2006.

"He's insecure about it,'' the player said of Owens. "The thing that bothers me more than anything about this problem is that it's always something with him -- San Fran, Philly and here; always something. And he brings other people into it. You know, he talks to Sam Hurd and Roy Williams, who just got here and doesn't really know these guys. TO talks to him and so now he probably thinks Witten politics with Tony for the ball.

"That's so far from the truth. You think Tony is throwing to him because that's his buddy? His best buddy is Bobby Carpenter, and that's not helping him too much. It's crazy to think that, and I hate that he acts that way.''

Witten leads the Cowboys with 64 receptions to 55 for Owens, who has a team-high 848 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. According to one of the sources, Owens cannot fathom how Romo and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett justify the tight end having more catches than does Owens even though the latter ranks among the most accomplished receivers in NFL history.

There has so far been no known confrontation between Romo and Owens, who have combined for 33 touchdowns since 2006, the most of any quarterback-receiver tandem in the NFL during that time. Romo has always been careful to make certain Owens felt appreciated so that he would compete hard and not cause the kind of upheaval he did with his previous teams.

But one teammate suggested Romo is frustrated enough that he might initiate a different approach, although not the confrontational kind that some believe might solve the problem.

"To be completely honest, I just think Tony is over it; not like, "Screw it.' But I think Tony is over the mind games,'' the player said. "It would help if Tony would stand up to him, but he would never do it. He does a great job of ignoring it and not letting it affect him, and that's why it has worked as good as it has. It's just hard. I think right now everybody is to the point where, "We're going to need him, so let's not piss him off.''

But Owens seems to be finding it increasingly difficult to conceal his irritation. Last week in Pittsburgh, on the first possession of the Cowboys' most important game of the season, a team source who reviewed the game tape said Romo threw an interception when Owens mysteriously failed to complete his route. Troy Polamalu intercepted the ball at the place where Romo expected Owens to be. Later in the half, Romo underthrew a pass for Owens that was intercepted by Ike Taylor and Owens gestured openly in Romo's direction as he walked toward the sideline that the ball should have been thrown further upfield.

But what upset Owens' teammates most of all was his response to the interception Romo threw on a pass intended for Witten that Deshea Townsend returned for the game-winning touchdown in a 20-13 defeat. Both the quarterback and tight end publicly accepted blame for the Cowboys' season-high fifth turnover. In contrast, Owens said the offense stunk, that the team can't win with turnovers like those and then suggested his defender was playing off in single coverage and that he was open but Romo decided to throw elsewhere on the fatal play.

On the sideline, Owens was seen yelling at a Cowboys assistant coach. In his press conference after the game, Owens implied that Romo's decision to throw to Witten was the wrong one, saying, "It's his job to go out there and assess what the defense is, and he made that decision.''

That incensed some Cowboys, one of whom said, "If you only knew all that guy does. It's gonna go down with him before it's all over with. He is unbelievable. Tough loss and he does that?''

Until then, Cowboys insiders considered Owens' most damaging behavior the interview he did with former Cowboys cornerback Deion Sanders on the NFL Network in which he suggested Dallas' offensive system under Garrett was responsible for his worst statistical season since his rookie year with the 49ers. Owens also hinted that Romo and the other Dallas quarterbacks who played when the starter was injured were not making getting him the ball a high enough priority. "I can't throw it and catch it,'' Owens said.

At least one prominent Cowboys player was displeased that the coaching staff responded to the criticism by seemingly placating Owens in that Sunday's game against San Francisco, allowing him enough opportunities that he posted his best statistical line as a Cowboy: seven catches for 213 yards, including 75-yard TD.

"Well, TO got his way,'' the player said. "It never fails how we operate around here. Drives me crazy, but what can you do?''

Phillips justified Owens' argument by agreeing that getting him the ball needed to be the first offensive priority, and then owner Jerry Jones further empowered him by claiming he had no issue with anything Owens said in the interview.

Said another source: "What do you think he said after he complained about not getting the ball and then in the San Francisco game he gets 213? He said, 'Look. It works. The more hell I raise, the more I get what I want.' ''

Owens in March signed a four-year contract extension worth $34 million, including a $12.9 million signing bonus to bind him to the Cowboys through the 2011 season.

When asked if Romo and Owens were all right together as the team prepares to play the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, James said, "Yeah. It's gotta be. It better be.''

The latest controversy comes toward the end of a season that began with Owens saying in training camp that he shared a relationship with Romo that he never had with other quarterbacks with whom he played. That, Owens said, was because Romo knew he was the star of the Cowboys and was not threatened by Owens' status as were previous quarterbacks.

"I guess sometimes I've just been in situations where the quarterbacks felt like I was bigger than them,'' Owens said in July. "And, you know, that was never the case. I felt like whatever I did complemented the quarterback, whatever he did, vice versa. It's just been a situation where things happen, where things didn't work out.''

Romo seemed equally at peace with Owens. "The thing about it is there's a genuine caring about each other. I actually want the guy to succeed. He works hard, he works his butt off. And he cares about the guys, so it's easy to root for a guy like that.

"It's important for us to be on the same page. It's important for us to care about the other one, just because our success is directly related. ... The thing you notice mostly about him is that he talks about 'team' a lot. He wants to win. He understands that, at this stage of his career, he's done all the things individually he can do. Now, it's just a matter of winning.''

Whether it is like that anymore -- and whether the Cowboys can achieve their own stated goals with the relationship between Owens and Romo and Witten being what it is now -- remains to be determined.

Since Romo became Dallas' starter, he has completed more passes to Witten than to Owens, 201-186, although Owens has significantly more yards and three times as many touchdowns.

"You really want to address it with him and say, "Are you serious? Let's cut the [sh--]. But we're trying to win our way into the playoffs and, if something like that happened, if you backed him into a corner, he'd be pissed off and try to fight you or something,'' the current Cowboys player said. "So what do you do? Let it go? Then you're just like everybody else. If he's got a problem and he's upset, clear the air. He should know that everything we do on offense goes through him."
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: CalvinH on December 11, 2008, 06:26:57 PM
That clown never changes.
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: Cap on December 11, 2008, 07:41:26 PM
I think TO should have been held more as a child because he has to be the most insecure person in the world.  There is no doubt he is racist and on top of that, he can't handle anyone getting the ball but him.  I really wouldn't mind if owners colluded against this jack ass.
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: mass 04 on December 11, 2008, 07:48:27 PM
P.I.P. Wade Phillips.
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 11, 2008, 09:08:52 PM
don;t buy into this bullshit espn conjecture story. i could go on about whats true and not, but it's worthless.

make it stop
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 11, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
don;t buy into this bullshit espn conjecture story. i could go on about whats true and not, but it's worthless.

make it stop

I always went to ESPN and someother sites for my information but it seems that that you know more. Could you please tell us who the three anonymous players are who said that the story is true?
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 11, 2008, 09:41:06 PM
yea ill name you those 3 sources when you give me the source who knows said 3 sources

do you see what i'm getting at? Now we know ONE fact, someone was bitching about t.o. Could be anybody but you fail to see ed werder's and espn's blatant hype of the story. Lately whenever werder asks's t.o. a question in the locker room or press conference t.o. just blows him off and goes "next question" it's HILARIOUS. He's been doing this forever i'm not exactly certain why( i'm no t.o fan btw). Anyway when ed was the first to report the story, prior to that he asked t.o. "will you answer questions about the feud?" t.o. responded normally like he does with ED WERDER, with a "nope"<<<< that one remark is important. Ofcourse this one little moment gives espn ground to hype it to astronomical levels because t.o. wouldn't respond to the "situation"           (takes deep breath)

espn has become the fox news of sport
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 11, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
and another thing....this is pathetic journalism....you don't devout 20 mins on sportscenter with "annonymous player sources" whether it was real people who said it or made up by espn, its just pathetic and lacks any smidge of integrity and throws any bit of credability out the window.

even a couple espn anchors don't buy it, if you've been watching
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 11, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
this is truely a sad sad story. First espn tried to overhype t.o's non-existant meltdown. When that failed they swiched momentum to t.o.'s comments about witten getting more catches, trying to make t.o. look like paranoid selfish bastard.

Once again: "annonymous sources" are saying t.o. thinks witten and romo are making up plays, NOT t.o.
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: CalvinH on December 12, 2008, 07:19:52 AM
this is truely a sad sad story. First espn tried to overhype t.o's non-existant meltdown. When that failed they swiched momentum to t.o.'s comments about witten getting more catches, trying to make t.o. look like paranoid selfish bastard.

Once again: "annonymous sources" are saying t.o. thinks witten and romo are making up plays, NOT t.o.




Hi T.O. :)
Title: Re: This week's TO meltdown
Post by: pumpster on December 12, 2008, 09:28:49 AM

December 12, 2008

The rift between Dallas Cowboys stars Terrell Owens, Tony Romo and Jason Witten is wider than just those three players, a source inside the team's locker room told ESPN's Ed Werder on Friday.

The source told Werder that the majority of defensive players on the team support Owens' contention that Romo is overly reliant on Jason Witten and often throws into coverage trying to get him the ball while ignoring Owens in situation where he could make a play.

One starting player told Werder that "We are not together as a team, and that includes the coaches."

Dallas defensive back Terence Newman told ESPN's First Take on Friday that reports of a rift are blown out of proportion. Newman said that Owens hadn't said a bad word to anyone, and that, as a defensive player, he'd like Owens to get the ball more.

Newman said that offensive coordinator Jason Garrett has an open-door policy and both Romo and Witten, along with wide receiver Patrick Crayton, had been in to talk to their coach.

He also said that team chemistry is "great," but insinuated that when Cowboys' coaches make a mistake, they shift the blame to others and the players have noticed it.

In his weekly readio spot on 1310 "The Ticket" in Dallas, Jones said a meeting took place between Roy Williams, Crayton, Owens and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. He said it was nothing out of the ordinary.

Cowboys wide receivers Terrell Owens, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton requested and were granted a meeting with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett to express their concern that quarterback Tony Romo was relying too heavily on close friend and Pro Bowl tight end Jason Witten. blog.

"[Owens is] interested in the ball to win the game," Jones said. "He knows if he can get the ball, we have a better chance to win the game. We all agree with that."

Jones said that he visited with Owens for 10 or 15 minutes during practice on Thursday, but said the subject of the meeting with Garrett did not come up. "Not that he [Owens] feels slighted or he feels like there's some type of favoritism going on," Jones said.

Jones also said that Garrett encourages "continual communication."

Phillips said that reports that the team is in turmoil are untrue. "I don't agree," he said.

"Enough talking. We need to get it done," Phillips said.

The comments come a day after a source who speaks regularly with Owens' teammates told ESPN that Owens thinks Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates who came to Dallas in the same offseason -- hold private meetings and create plays without including Owens.

Owens believes these discussions have worked to his detriment and Romo seeks to deliver the ball to Witten regardless of whether Owens is open.

"I don't know anything about that," Phillips said when asked about a possible rift at his news conference on Thursday.

"We've thrown for a lot of yards with a lot of players. One receiver is pretty close to 1,000 yards. ... There's no favoritism there, we are going to the guy that is going to be open."

Owens declined to discuss the situation on Thursday outside the Cowboys' locker room. As he walked toward the players' lounge at Valley Ranch, ESPN asked Owens if he would answer questions and he said, "Nope.''

But later Thursday, Owens told The Dallas Morning News: "I'm not jealous of Witten. I'm not jealous of nobody. I can take the approach that I got paid, so screw everything, but that's not me.

 Dallas' Jason Witten discusses the latest controversy and says he doesn't think that Terrell Owens is feeling left out and that he and Tony Romo don't script plays together.

"I just want to win. I'm not trying to create a war of words with anybody. I thought we had a productive meeting, and I just talked to Jason about Tony reading the whole play because other people are open besides Witten."

Witten appeared Thursday afternoon on ESPNRadio 1050 in New York.

"Tony and I have been friends for a long time, way before either one of us were playing that much," Witten said. "I don't think we're drawing up many plays together to be completely honest, but I don't think Terrell feels that way. I think he knows he's a play-maker, and we try to go to him, and we have other guys we try to get the ball, too."
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: gordiano on December 12, 2008, 11:10:21 AM
2NDCOMING, you're right, we shouldn't buy into this story. After all it's not Owens has ever caused this type of drama before..... ::)
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 12, 2008, 04:05:27 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones ended his self-imposed silence following his infamous Marion Barber comments from last Sunday to shed light on the latest drama at Valley Ranch on Friday.

Reports of a growing divide in the Cowboys' locker room continue to unfold, but Jones said it's all part of the club's cutting-edge "continual communication" program in which players are allowed to complain about each other without fear of retribution. Think of it as the Cowboys' whistle-blower rule.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 12, 2008, 04:56:33 PM
T.O is a total cancer, I have no idea how anyone can defend him.  T.O clearly has emotional issues......serious ones.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: gordiano on December 12, 2008, 05:07:09 PM
T.O is a total cancer, I have no idea how anyone can defend him.  T.O clearly has emotional issues......serious ones.

Exactly. Another attention whore, who hates it when people aren't talking about him. How's he gonna handle retirement?
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 12, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
Exactly. Another attention whore, who hates it when people aren't talking about him. How's he gonna handle retirement?

Whos thats asshole who played for the 72 phins?  That's TO in 10 years.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 12, 2008, 06:11:30 PM
Whos thats asshole who played for the 72 phins?  That's TO in 10 years.

You mean Mercury Morris. Mercury was always the one down talking the patriots and how they would have destroyed the pats if they would have played his 72' Dolphins.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 12, 2008, 06:15:13 PM
You mean Mercury Morris. Mercury was always the one down talking the patriots and how they would have destroyed the pats if they would have played his 72' Dolphins.


Thats the guy....I dont hate him because he talked down to the pats ( even thought they would have dropped 52 points on the 72 phins), he's just a loudmouth who reminds me of an old T.O.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 12, 2008, 06:17:27 PM
Current Giants team reminds of the '72 Dolphins in many ways.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 12, 2008, 06:27:55 PM

Thats the guy....I dont hate him because he talked down to the pats ( even thought they would have dropped 52 points on the 72 phins), he's just a loudmouth who reminds me of an old T.O.
The Pats went 18-0 and lost the Superbowl and the 72' Dolphins went 12-0 and won the superbowl but how many playoff games did they win? Were they a total of 15-0 and plus? Mercury still talks like 18-0 is not that hard to achieve.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 12, 2008, 06:38:06 PM
2NDCOMING, you're right, we shouldn't buy into this story. After all it's not Owens has ever caused this type of drama before..... ::)

what has owens said to the media this week? shit. Espn went out of they're way to overhype nothing. He was angry after the loss because it was a big game. They had the game locked up, look how romo fucked it up, look at there schedule. Btw, check how many times romo threw it to wittens and tell me if ownes has a beef. nevermind don't, your too busy fucking around on G/O when you should be babysitting your kids, what are u like 35 man? get a life
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: Cap on December 12, 2008, 08:53:26 PM
T.O is a total cancer, I have no idea how anyone can defend him.  T.O clearly has emotional issues......serious ones.
He's the Gary Sheffield of pro football.

For a guy who claims to be secure in himself, he sure acts like a child a lot.  He needs to be the center of attention all the time or else.  This seems to be a big problem with WR and RB in the league.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 12, 2008, 09:10:31 PM


Ex-QB understands Owens' frustrations but can relate to Romo's decisions


In the waning seconds of the Cowboys' fall-from-ahead loss to the Steelers ... after Tony Romo's pick-six interception ... and after his fourth-down incompletion to an unsuspecting Jason Witten, Fox's Troy Aikman and Joe Buck had this on-air discussion:

(Meanwhile, Fox cameras were glued to Terrell Owens yakking animatedly at receivers coach Ray Sherman.)

Aikman: "... Pretty interesting that two key moments in this game, the last two possessions, [Romo's] trying to get the ball to Witten. The one for the interception that gave Pittsburgh the go-ahead-touchdown, and then on this one, Witten is never looking for the ball, and I'm not sure exactly why. He's well down the field and never expected the ball to come in his direction."

Buck: "And that's really the more interesting point. Not only was Romo looking for Witten on two key throws, but both times Romo and Witten were not on the same page."

Aikman: "And they are two guys who throughout this season have always been on the same page."
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 09:40:04 AM
The Pats went 18-0 and lost the Superbowl and the 72' Dolphins went 12-0 and won the superbowl but how many playoff games did they win? Were they a total of 15-0 and plus? Mercury still talks like 18-0 is not that hard to achieve.


They also did it against a schedule that was easier than what the pats had, and most of the games were in good weather (Miami home games).  Pats did it in Foxboro, they won in poor weather....in an NFL with a salary cap, where team are much closer in talent.  The 72 phins would be destroyed by the 07 pats.  I doubt you see 16-0 in the regular season anytime soon.  The players were smaller and slower in the 70's; the pats would have won by 5 scores,imo.  Yes, the 07 pats lost the big one, but to win 18 straight games the way they did, is any amazing feat.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 09:52:14 AM

They also did it against a schedule that was easier than what the pats had, and most of the games were in good weather (Miami home games).  Pats did it in Foxboro, they won in poor weather....in an NFL with a salary cap, where team are much closer in talent.  The 72 phins would be destroyed by the 07 pats.  I doubt you see 16-0 in the regular season anytime soon.  The players were smaller and slower in the 70's; the pats would have won by 5 scores,imo.  Yes, the 07 pats lost the big one, but to win 18 straight games the way they did, is any amazing feat.

That's the view of someone with absolutely no objectivity. First of all the Dolphins were a better version of the Giants team that beat NE, so obviously it would be close to begin with. Secondly the rules then were a little different, not as easy to throw the ball through most of the 70s.

No way to know what would have happened, other than to guess it would have been close, could go either way like last year's SB.

NE last year reminded me of the 49ers when they tried for their 3rd straight SB; they became a little too one-dimensional, too much reliance on passing.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 10:12:44 AM
The Dallas-Pittsburgh game was the highest-rated TV show of the year, not just the highest-rated football game. Can you imagine the viewership for Sunday night? :o


The Cowboys’ 20-13 loss at Pittsburgh last Sunday notched a 15.6 rating/28 share. About 25.7 million Cowboys lovers or haters tuned in, making that game not only the season’s highest-rated football game but the highest-rated show of any kind on broadcast TV for the 2008-09 season.

In comparison, the No. 1 prime-time show last week was CBS’s drama “The Mentalist” with 18.7 million viewers.

Here we are in Week 15. Earlier this season, a certain scribe wrote that the 2008 Cowboys were this TV season’s best drama, calling the club’s personalities the basis for a 21st Century version of the 1980’s night-time soap “Dallas.”

The Cowboys have become the sporting world’s guilty pleasure. Which version of the team will show up? Which version of Tony Romo will show up? What version of Terrell Owens will show up?

Sunday’s game at home with the New York Giants will be on prime-time on NBC, the all “Today” show-Jay Leno network. All 114 million-plus TV viewers in the Nielsen universe can watch and pass judgment for themselves as fast as they can Twitter about the latest version of the Cowboys scheduled to appear.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 05:14:47 PM
Source: T.O., Witten had to be separated
December 13, 2008, 7:50 PM ET

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen, according to team sources, confirmed an incident occurred at the Cowboys training facility when Witten tried to engage Owens in a conversation about a pass route. Owens told Witten to stay away from him and called him a name. The two exchanged words before being separated.

Both players acted as if everything was fine when the media was allowed in the locker room, according to the Star-Telegram. But Owens was still upset.

The confrontation came a day after a source told ESPN that Owens believes Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates -- hold private meetings and create plays without including Owens.

Where the problem seems to be is players notice Witten getting more passes in practices, and players go to T.O. to talk about this and little cliques have formed. Team T.O. And Team Romo.

Blame Owner Jones. He created this mess when he promoted Jason Garrett, aka The Redheaded Genius, aka The RHG, from offensive coordinator to what amounted to coach-designate this off-season and basically cut off what little legs The Cupcake had.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips held a team meeting on Friday to clear the air about the report. Afterward, he said any personality conflicts had been resolved.

"Everything is set straight as far as I'm concerned," he told The Associated Press. "I think the players, too. We'll see."
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 06:27:11 PM
That's the view of someone with absolutely no objectivity. First of all the Dolphins were a better version of the Giants team that beat NE, so obviously it would be close to begin with. Secondly the rules then were a little different, not as easy to throw the ball through most of the 70s.

No way to know what would have happened, other than to guess it would have been close, could go either way like last year's SB.

NE last year reminded me of the 49ers when they tried for their 3rd straight SB; they became a little too one-dimensional, too much reliance on passing.

You have your opinion and I have mine.  Imo, the 07 pats would drop about 50 points on the 72 phins.  The 72 phins schedule was vey easy, and they didn't play in a salery cap era.  Much harder to do what the pats did now.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 06:29:19 PM
You have your opinion and I have mine.  Imo, the 07 pats would drop about 50 points on the 72 phins.  The 72 phins schedule was vey easy, and they didn't play in a salery cap era.  Much harder to do what the pats did now.

Since they didn't drop anywhere near 50 on the Giants, who were not as good as the Dolphins but played in many ways a similar game, your odds are extrmely low on being correct.

All that stuff about easier schedule and salary cap's irrelevant. Plus i could make counter-arguments, such as the very true one that hasn't crossed you mind to the effect that all sports including the NFL have suffered huge dilution in talent since the 70s. The 70s were the NFL's golden era for good reason, there were more good teams. The best ever team to lose a SB was the 70s Cowboys because of the competition.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 06:31:20 PM
Since they didn't drop anywhere near 50 on the Giants, who were not as good as the Dolphins but played in many ways a similar game, your odds are extrmely low on being correct.


Again, your opionion not fact.  As you said, it was a different era and impossible to compare if a team from the 70's is better.  The pats WON the first meeting with the Giants, they lost the second by a freak play.  Not like it wasen't very close.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 06:32:09 PM

Again, your opionion not fact.  As you said, it was a different era and impossible to compare if a team from the 70's is better.  The pats WON the first meeting with the Giants, they lost the second by a freak play.  Not like it wasen't very close.

You have no objectivity. You're making assumptions from guesses.

All the astute fan can say is that it would a great game and probably close. If they didn't "drop 52" on the giants it's very unlikely they would on the dolphins.
Title: Re: Cowboy controversy
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 07:52:28 PM
You have no objectivity. You're making assumptions from guesses.

All the astute fan can say is that it would a great game and probably close. If they didn't "drop 52" on the giants it's very unlikely they would on the dolphins.

Fasle, I am stating my opinion and I use stats to base that opinion.  If you don't agree, thats fine by me. 
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
Near-meltdown from our very partial homer. Resorting to stats is pathetic.

I'll bet you never even saw the Dolphins play, yet you're silly enough to claim they'd drop 52 on em when they struggled big-time to score points against the giants LOL insane.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
Near-meltdown from our very partial homer. Resorting to stats is pathetic.

I'll bet you never even saw the Dolphins play, yet you're silly enough to claim they'd drop 52 on em when they struggled big-time to score points against the giants LOL insane.

The Patriots where an offensive Juggernaut, who scored more points than any other team in NFL history.  Tom Brady threw 50 freaking td's to 4 ints, lol!  The running game was more complete than you make it seem, and the stats prove all that.  They did it when players are much bigger, stronger and faster.  They did it with a salary cap, and a longer season.  They are not a warm weather team, and the game has progressed x1000 times since the 70's.  The pats drop 50 on the 72 phins, no problem.  You are using one game as a measuring stick, which proves you are not a true fan of the game.  The pats AVERAGED  30+ ppg over 16 regular season games.  I'll take a sample size of 16 games over one. Btw, in their first meeting the pats scored 38 on the Giants.  If the Giants are better than the 72 phins, why is 50 points so hard to swallow.

Your saying that the Giants are better than the 72 phins, but calling me a homer for saying the Patriots would mash the 72 phins.  As usual if someone does not see it your way, you pull your hissy fit.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 09:03:43 PM
blah blah blah. Offensive juggernaut that F--- up in the SB!
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 09:04:36 PM
blah blah blah. Offensive juggernaut that F--- up in the SB!

That's true, but that is not what we are talking about.  You are clearly not capable of looking at my above post and reading it like an adult.  Forget it, think what you want  :)
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 09:05:45 PM
Your posts are too long and boring. Stick to the point, you have NO friggin idea in reality that they could put up 52 on the dolphins when they FU in the SB!
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: body88 on December 13, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
Your posts are too long and boring. Stick to the point, you have NO friggin idea in reality that they could put up 52 on the dolphins when they FU in the SB!

Let me come at you from a different angle then.  If the pats where able to score 38 points on the Giants in their first meeting, and the Giants are better than the 72 phins, why is it so crazy to think the best offensive team in the history of the sport could score an added td and two fg's vs the phins?  Take into account the progression of the sport.  Guys are far better athletes now.  You scoff at those who claim Arnie could beat Ronnie. Why is that?  Is it because the sport has progressed so much that Coleman had over 60 lbs of lean mass on Arnie in better shape. 

The truth is the phins where a damn good team, but they played a very easy schedule and there was no salery cap.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 09:49:38 PM
Terrell Owens and Jason Witten got in a verbal argument after Witten tried to engage Owens during practice.  Owens told him to get away and called him a name."    After teammates separated the two, Owens also announced that Witten was no longer invited to his birthday party, and then removed him from his list of friends on Facebook.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 13, 2008, 09:51:51 PM
why is it so crazy to think the best offensive team in the history of the sport could score an added td and two fg's vs the phins?  Take into account the progression of the sport.  Guys are far better athletes now.  You scoff at those who claim Arnie could beat Ronnie. Why is that?  Is it because the sport has progressed so much that Coleman had over 60 lbs of lean mass on Arnie in better shape. 



Because they didn't get it done in terms of scoring when it counted.

As far as "progression" the guys are a little bigger and faster but in fact the better TEAMS overall in football, basketball and hockey were in the 70s and 80s, in large part but not entirely because there was minimal dilution of talent that exist now. The two best all-time NFL teams were the Steelers and 49ers, not recent teams. The pros and cons of new vs old teams isn't as clear-cut to you, without the perspective of earlier eras.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 13, 2008, 09:53:49 PM
Terrell Owens and Jason Witten got in a verbal argument after Witten tried to engage Owens during practice.  Owens told him to get away and called him a name."  Called him a name?  Seriously?  After teammates separated the two, Owens also announced that Witten was no longer invited to his birthday party, and then removed him from his list of friends on Facebook.

Are you kidding me? I have a 7 year old Niece that is more mature than that jackass. That is like a kid saying you cannot come to my party because the other kid has better toys then the other kid...removed him from Face book..Good God.
Title: Re: Cowboy meltdown the eve of their biggest game
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 13, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
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Ima leave yall with something I found then im out. see yall on game day.

I thought some of you might be interested to hear the truth regarding the alleged "T.O. controversy."

Those who I talked to close to the situation are in absolute shock right now over the direction ESPN has taken the past few days. What you are seeing now is a carefully conceived ploy being executed to boost ratings for the 2009 fiscal year, which is vital as the network hopes to build new advertising revenue.

While it would be easy to blame the reporters for this yellow journalism, they're only the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that ESPN executes have melted down and gone into panic mode regarding the current state of their network.

For those of you worried about the state of the Dallas Cowboys football team, perhaps you should take whatever you're envisioning now (which isn't at all accurate), quintouple it, and that's what ESPN meetings are like right now.

The ploy, as I was told, was designed to create a self-fulfilling prophecy in Dallas as a result of paranoia amongst players (chiefly Terrell Owens, Tony Romo, and Jason Witten). Those who hatched the plan believed that the faux-quotes would be enough to cast a sense of doubt over members of the Cowboys locker room, resulting in tension and, eventually, an actual blowup that would justify ESPN's outrageous coverage based on unnamed sources.

But it didn't work. Much to the chagrin of the powers that be at ESPN, the Cowboys players put their heads together and quickly figured out exactly what was going on. Ed Werder himself was actually present at the team meeting and was the one who reported to the higher ups that there was something impeding the plan.

The constant changes to the very article Werder reported are ESPN's attempts to adjust to Dallas having caught on.

My sources have each responded to the numerous things that have been stated by ESPN and other members through ESPN sourcing pertaining to the matter:

It was reported that Owens, Romo, and Witten have a strained relationship. While the details of their relationship are not factually known, there has been no team source to report any such strain. What in fact transpired was the following: A behind-the-scenes writer noted via text message that he noticed numerous plays in which Owens failed to block for Witten after he caught the ball against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The person on the other end of the conversation pitched the Owens/Witten angle to a story editor later that afternoon and it found its way to the higherups. The rest is history.

It was reported that Owens and Witten had a war of words today and got into a scuffle. This is untrue. This report is complete fiction in a desperation attempt to cause further distractions to the Cowboys. As you can imagine, the Cowboys, already having a firm grasp of what took place before, understood fully the intentions of this report.

It was reported that Owens, Patrick Crayton, and Roy Williams asked for a meeting with offensive coordiator Jason Garret. This is, in fact, true. However, what may be of interest to some of you is that the three receivers have spoken privately with Garrett several times this season.

Many people are wondering how Bradie James had his quote included with all of the quotes from unnamed sources. James was asked to explain how important communication is for a team leader. While answering the question, a reporter (not Ed Werder) asked if Tony Romo and Terrell Owens do a lot of communicating, to which James responded with his quote.

James never stated that he "played peacemaker" between Romo and Owens, but rather than he stayed out of their way and let them has things out when they disagreed on something (the context of these comments pertained to on the field disagreements).


So I hope that helps clear some things up for everyone. I know it's been a crazy week for Cowboys fans, but the reality is that this crazyness is smoke and mirrors; and it's sure to blow up in ESPN's face.
Title: Re: Cowboy meltdown the eve of their biggest game
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 13, 2008, 11:10:44 PM
this is giving the 'boys way  too much fuel. It has to stop.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 20, 2008, 08:52:32 PM
LAST GAME at Texas Stadium tonight an EMBARASSING loss for the OVERHYPED BOYS..
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Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 20, 2008, 09:07:39 PM
Well, this does somewhat help me out as a Lions fan.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: Option D on December 20, 2008, 09:11:56 PM
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these gay ass niggas suck. hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ken Hamlin is a homo....he used to do all that hittin..he gave up 2 touchdowns......they ran 2 touchdowns on his punk ass..got fuckin mushed..
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 20, 2008, 09:45:56 PM
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the best team not to make the playoffs ever..These fags didnt make the fuckin playoffs...they suck

GETBIG EXPERTS: "COWBOYS HAVE SOME OF THE BEST TALENT" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA


IRVING — It took 37-plus seasons for Texas Stadium to wear down and finally wear out. The current edition of the Cowboys managed to do it in one night.

Saturday’s last call for football in the Irving river bottoms also signaled, almost definitely, the end of something else. Meaning this season, and all the early over-blown hype associated with it.

Speaking of bye-bye, also please include the brief local coaching career of Wade Phillips, unless he can somehow blame the evening’s sudden defensive collapse on his thrown-under-the-bus friend, Brian Stewart.

Mr. Fix It obviously bragged too soon on his defensive expertise, and is now in a firing fix after a frantic Cowboys rally by Tony Romo was scuttled on — this is impossible — back to back touchdown runs of 77 and 82 yards late in the fourth quarter.

Then again, Jerry Jones is the dumbest general manager in the history of football, and there he was, postgame on Saturday, proclaiming he has no plans, no matter what, to fire Wade. See, it’s real hard to find good puppets these days.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: jerseyhurricane on December 20, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Because they didn't get it done in terms of scoring when it counted.

As far as "progression" the guys are a little bigger and faster but in fact the better TEAMS overall in football, basketball and hockey were in the 70s and 80s, in large part but not entirely because there was minimal dilution of talent that exist now. The two best all-time NFL teams were the Steelers and 49ers, not recent teams. The pros and cons of new vs old teams isn't as clear-cut to you, without the perspective of earlier eras.

Face the facts...The Patriots were the best team in the league last year even without winning the SuperBowl. The Giants got lucky with that once in a lifetime catch by David Tyree and the missed INT by Asante Samuel. The Giants weren't the better team last year, maybe one game but not last season as a whole. What the Patriots did last year was AMAZING. I think maybe if they had lost one or two games in the regular season, a differen't team might have shown up in the Super Bowl. But who knows.

Also I'd put the mid 90's Cowboys and the last couple of Patriot teams against ANY team of ANY era.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: pumpster on December 21, 2008, 12:25:12 AM
The Giants got lucky with that once in a lifetime catch by David Tyree and the missed INT by Asante Samuel. The Giants weren't the better team last year, maybe one game but not last season as a whole. What the Patriots did last year was AMAZING

hahaha this must be "body"s gimmick now the giants were "lucky' you are befuddled.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: tonymctones on December 21, 2008, 06:41:08 AM
Face the facts...The Patriots were the best team in the league last year even without winning the SuperBowl. The Giants got lucky with that once in a lifetime catch by David Tyree and the missed INT by Asante Samuel. The Giants weren't the better team last year, maybe one game but not last season as a whole. What the Patriots did last year was AMAZING. I think maybe if they had lost one or two games in the regular season, a differen't team might have shown up in the Super Bowl. But who knows.

Also I'd put the mid 90's Cowboys and the last couple of Patriot teams against ANY team of ANY era.
you can look back at any game and take a play or series of plays and say they got lucky here but thats part of football and thats why they play the games b/c shit like this happens how many drops did dallas have last night? how many bad passes did dallas have last night? that doesnt mean that the ravens where lucky they outplayed dallas no matter what was going on in the locker room or who was hurt dallas got outplayed.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 21, 2008, 07:13:29 AM
It's too bad the Cowboys couldn't figure things out in the final game at Texas Stadium -- especially since Jones apparently petitioned the league for the Cowboys to play the Ravens because it once looked like a winnable game. Jones sort of confirmed that theory to me after the game, but I couldn't tell whether he was joking. It didn't matter to the Ravens.
If that is true, that is sad on so many levels. I mean, would the NFL actually schedule a perceived weak opponent for a team's final game at their stadium just so they can go out on a positive note? And why would the proud owner of America's Team need to line up a cupcake? Shouldn't a team that was the favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl be able to take on all comers?

It makes it all the more laughable that the Ravens came in and beat them. In their first and last appearance at Texas Stadium, Baltimore will leave as only the second undefeated team (the Raiders won all three of their games there).

The Cowboys had no shortage of bad teams that stopped in on Texas Stadium's final season. Cincinnati, San Francisco and Seattle are among the worst teams in the league. But all of them looked somewhat formidable before the season began. The Ravens were coming off a 5-11 season, had a rookie head coach running things and no idea who their quarterback would be. They had the best look of a cupcake team back in April.

Instead, the Ravens look like a playoff team. Dallas, on the other hand, doesn't.

No word if the Cowboys are planning on asking the league to schedule the Detroit Lions to help open up the new Cowboys Stadium in 2009.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: tonymctones on December 21, 2008, 07:44:53 AM
lets be honest if the cowboys offense had been halfway decent last night they would have won but like i said thats why you play the games.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 21, 2008, 08:33:28 AM
lets be honest if the cowboys offense had been halfway decent last night they would have won but like i said thats why you play the games.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Jason Garrett appears to be a poor offensive coordinator, can't possibly be considered the next Boys coach as was expected.
Title: Re: Cowboy saga continues the eve of their biggest game
Post by: jerseyhurricane on December 22, 2008, 08:26:14 PM
hahaha this must be "body"s gimmick now the giants were "lucky' you are befuddled.


No I just speak the truth...I HATE the Patriots.
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: CalvinH on December 28, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
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Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: pumpster on December 28, 2008, 05:34:12 PM
Jerry pondering the return of Coach Cupcake for the opening game in the new 1.1 billion, 100,000 capacity stadium next year..

Romo, Coach Cupcake, the getbig experts and predictions on the boy's fortunes this season...

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Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: Doug_Steele on December 28, 2008, 05:51:02 PM
I thought Jerry Jones wants a Soap Opera team because it sells tix!!!
Title: Re: Cowboys meltdown continues...
Post by: Cap on December 28, 2008, 08:19:24 PM
Jerry pondering the return of Coach Cupcake for the opening game in the new 1.1 billion, 100,000 capacity stadium next year..

Romo, Coach Cupcake, the getbig experts and predictions on the boy's fortunes this season...

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Losing to the Eagles.  Geez.  What a way to end the season.  They need to revamp this General Hospital team and move on with a winning formula.