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Title: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Balloon on December 12, 2008, 05:08:23 PM
Take a weight u can do 10 reps with.....and no matter what...complete 20 reps...
lots of deep breaths between reps.

Anyone tried it? apparently it leaves u completely exhausted and really jacks up your cardiovascular system,
as well as promoting tremendous muscle growth

I don;t think i could handle it
Just 1 set..thats all it is
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Emmortal on December 12, 2008, 05:14:27 PM
Yes, extremely effective for a growth burst.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: wes on December 12, 2008, 05:16:03 PM
Brutal stuff!
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: windsor88 on December 12, 2008, 05:17:07 PM
yes I have.  I could not take the heavy weight any longer on my knees so I chose to go with high rep squats.  5x20
finish with extensions and curls and hit the treadmill to cool down.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: webcake on December 12, 2008, 07:59:34 PM
I always do high reps on squats.

I do 4 sets and keep the reps between 12-20. My legs just seem to respond better to higher reps.

My left knee is playing up again, so i haven't actually trained legs in about 2 weeks. Hopefully it'll be feeling good next week and i'll do some leg work.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Get Rowdy on December 13, 2008, 01:59:07 AM
Did something like this with front squats.  Used a weight I could usually barely get 20 with, then did a number of sets making sure I got to 30.  That shit fucked me up, I stumbled around my house for awhile with my head burning, ears ringing and my vision blurry and grey, then passed out in my bathroom.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Soundness on December 13, 2008, 02:04:59 AM
Extremely effective for gaining mass quick, but you can't continue for long, especially drug free.  :-\

If you'd like to modify it slightly so that you can continue with it, do it once every 5 days.  ;)
 
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: windsor88 on December 13, 2008, 02:41:41 AM
Extremely effective for gaining mass quick, but you can't continue for long, especially drug free.  :-\

If you'd like to modify it slightly so that you can continue with it, do it once every 5 days.  ;)
 

what if one was to increase to say 10 cups of piss a day for a 20 week bulk cycle?
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Bluto on December 13, 2008, 02:50:01 AM
Too hardcore for me
Title: windsor88 urine therapy obsession
Post by: Soundness on December 13, 2008, 02:51:51 PM
what if one was to increase to say 10 cups of piss a day for a 20 week bulk cycle?
You and webcke are more obsessed with urine therapy than anyone on Getbig.
This is precisely why you string it on at every opportunity...

Why? Your conscience is bothering you. You know it's good for people, you know many people utilize it, and--HERE'S THE BIG ONE--All those little voices in your head keep telling you that YOU should do it(!).

Well I've got good news, windsor88... Those voices are not lying to you, many, many people do utilize urine therapy across the globe, it is better for them than anything else they could have ever done for themselves, and it would be better for you, yes, YOU than anything you could possibly do for yourself.  ;) 

Just give it a shot, windsor88. You will be grateful you did.
You will live far better and far longer than you ever could have without it.
Permanently enhance your own life and do a favor for the you that you will get to be for the rest of it.

(PS> Good suggestion on the 10 cups. You'd yield far greater gains than you ever could have without it.  ;))
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: WillGrant on December 13, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
How come on the main page this thread reads...

Last post by Soundness
in windsor88 urine therapy ...
on Today at 02:51:51 PM


But the title of the actual thread is..Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?

 ???
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: windsor88 on December 13, 2008, 04:35:00 PM
How come on the main page this thread reads...

Last post by Soundness
in windsor88 urine therapy ...
on Today at 02:51:51 PM


But the title of the actual thread is..Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?

 ???

lol...Sounder is delusional.   His posts are like an infomercial or a telemarketer script.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: WillGrant on December 13, 2008, 04:42:13 PM
lol...Sounder is delusional.   His posts are like an infomercial or a telemarketer script.
No way he drinks his own piss..he is saying this in the hope some idiot here trys it..

If he truly means what he says he would piss in a cup ,drink it and tape it..

But he wont , because he doesnt really do it..
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Geo on December 13, 2008, 07:14:09 PM


here's the last time I tried a set of 20 reppers...

3 short @325
Title: WILL WILL GRANT GRANT HIMSELF A WILL?
Post by: Soundness on December 13, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
How come on the main page this thread reads...

Last post by Soundness
in windsor88 urine therapy ...
on Today at 02:51:51 PM


But the title of the actual thread is..Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?

 ???
Because what you refer to is that powerful, Will.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: QuakerOats on December 14, 2008, 09:15:00 AM


here's the last time I tried a set of 20 reppers...

3 short @325
good stuff Geo, that's intensity.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: tonymctones on December 14, 2008, 09:20:05 AM
do you guys go up in weight between sets or stay at the same weight for all sets?
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Soundness on December 14, 2008, 03:37:09 PM
do you guys go up in weight between sets or stay at the same weight for all sets?
You're going to take your 10 rep max, do it 20 times, and do that for a number of sets? WTF? NO.

ONE SET ONLY. ONLY DO IT ONE TIME.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: tonymctones on December 15, 2008, 07:57:26 AM
You're going to take your 10 rep max, do it 20 times, and do that for a number of sets? WTF? NO.

ONE SET ONLY. ONLY DO IT ONE TIME.  ;)
sorry i didnt read that with that being said i think if you able to do 20 reps without reracking the weight no matter how long it takes you need to bump up the weight your doing you set of 10 with...LOL
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Cap on December 15, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
These are brutal but they can work for you.  I worked up to a decent amount of weight on these about 1.5 years ago.  Very draining.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Soundness on December 15, 2008, 12:31:27 PM
sorry i didnt read that with that being said i think if you able to do 20 reps without reracking the weight no matter how long it takes you need to bump up the weight your doing you set of 10 with...LOL
Here's how it works...you

1) Load up your 10 rep max weight; obviously a weight heavy enough you'd fail on the 11th rep attempt.
 
2) Do 10 reps then keep standing there holding the weight and breathing as deeply as you can, expanding your ribcage. You'll already feel spent. Just breathe until you feel you can do just 1 more. Then do it.

3) Continue to stand there, breathing as deeply as you can, expanding your rib cage while you breathe, until you feel like you can again get just one more rep out of yourself. When you can, do 1 more and repeat. Continue with this breathing squats technique until you hit 20.

***If you actually use your 10 rep max and pull 20 out of yourself, it will feel like it almost kills you. You will not even dream of doing another squats set(!). In fact, there's a good chance this 1 single set will make you unable to walk and cause you to puke. But...IT WILL ALSO MAKE YOU GROW.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: DK II on December 15, 2008, 01:01:27 PM
i did it for about 8 months in every leg training.

Two sets of heavy squats, then one widow maker. Brutal.  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: tonymctones on December 15, 2008, 01:15:28 PM
Here's how it works...you

1) Load up your 10 rep max weight; obviously a weight heavy enough you'd fail on the 11th rep attempt.
 
2) Do 10 reps then keep standing there holding the weight and breathing as deeply as you can, expanding your ribcage. You'll already feel spent. Just breathe until you feel you can do just 1 more. Then do it.

3) Continue to stand there, breathing as deeply as you can, expanding your rib cage while you breathe, until you feel like you can again get just one more rep out of yourself. When you can, do 1 more and repeat. Continue with this breathing squats technique until you hit 20.

***If you actually use your 10 rep max and pull 20 out of yourself, it will feel like it almost kills you. You will not even dream of doing another squats set(!). In fact, there's a good chance this 1 single set will make you unable to walk and cause you to puke. But...IT WILL ALSO MAKE YOU GROW.  ;)
LOL i believe it i kinda want to puke just thinking about it I dont think there is anyway i could get 20 reps but i thinki im gonna try it next leg day just to change things up.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: Soundness on December 15, 2008, 01:21:44 PM
LOL i believe it i kinda want to puke just thinking about it I dont think there is anyway i could get 20 reps but i thinki im gonna try it next leg day just to change things up.
Oh it is FUCKING HELL! (But, some of the most miraculous gains come from it.)

That's what you always think, "I may not be able to hit 20," especially when you're at 10, 11, and 12. You have to avoid that and somehow have faith that you will. You have to just breathe and remain controlled and take it one rep at a time no matter how long it takes until you hit 20. DON'T THINK ABOUT "20" ONLY THINK ABOUT THE NEXT REP, THAT'S IT.

Like I said, you use your 10 rep max, so you already feel dead at 10. Then you just stand there breathing deeply, expanding your rib cage until you feel you can do just one more. And you do that until you hit 20, no matter how long it takes, you force yourself. MAKE SURE YOU DO IT IN A POWER RACK! Good luck, you will need it.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: www.BrinkZone.com on December 15, 2008, 01:52:25 PM
Take a weight u can do 10 reps with.....and no matter what...complete 20 reps...
lots of deep breaths between reps.

Anyone tried it? apparently it leaves u completely exhausted and really jacks up your cardiovascular system,
as well as promoting tremendous muscle growth

I don;t think i could handle it
Just 1 set..thats all it is

I used to do that at the end of every leg day. Would try for around 60% of what ever my best low rep set for the day was for 20 reps. There's nothing that compares to just how hard that is if you do it right...

Will @ BrinkZone.com
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: jpm101 on December 15, 2008, 02:39:45 PM
There is a difference between 20 rep squats and 20 rep Breathing squats. Each version can be a killer but the 20 rep Breathing squats can also be a force of pure will power.  I continued to do this system, from time to time, when getting ready for football season over the years. Great for ultra stamina (endurance and strength). Was 16 the first time beginning this type of training.

Geo did the 20 rep version in the clip. A tribute to the over the hill, or under the wave, USN veterans all over the world. Geo be the man. And the terror of the 78 and any beer bar in Oceanside/Carlsbad.

The idea is to load to your usual 10 rep max in the squat. Start by taking 3 deep and full upper chest breaths before every beginning rep. This can be accomplished for the first 5 to 6 reps at first. From this point you are going to need more deep breaths between every rep. When the 20th breath is reached you should be sucking in air in great masses. Probably up to 8 or 10 breathes, gasping for air. Might take between 3 to 5 (or more) minutes to complete the 20 reps. Here is where the pure strength of will and mind focus comes in.

Best to use a crampted/cam'ed squating bar, if anyone can find one now days. Easier on the traps and shoulder when squating. If using a regular Olympic bar, a pad/towel, etc under the traps/shoulder can help greatly.

Every workout you must add a 5 to 10 lb's to the bar. That is the point of this type of exercise, it is progressive from workout to workout. The body is trained to adapted to a newer workload each workout. Program is usually for twice a week. One set should do it. A few have done two sets a workout. Some old BB'ing vet told me, when I first started, if I can do 2 sets of breathing squats, the first one was not hard enough. One set, done right, you should be praying for death, it can be that hard. Not a program for most people anyway.

After all the sets are done take a light BB/DB and do 20 rep pullovers (working on the stretch). If you are young enough (anything under 24 to 25 years old..mean average) the cartilage between the ribs is still elastic enough to stretch. Which in return can expand the rib box to a lasting increase in chest size. That's the theory anyway. Have witnessed 2 to 3 inch increases on the total chest measurement for some. Only other exercise done along with this are moderate weight BB rows and benches, for regular reps of 8-10 for 2 sets each.

Have been 20 rep breathing squat programs, in the past, that only require  your own bwt weight on the bar. So if you weighted 180, for example, that would be all the weight that is require for the program. Been told it is the massive amounts of oxygen taken in to the lungs and in return, to the blood stream that makes the difference in a 20 rep (or more) breathing type of program. And it's ability to build muscle.

All in all, a 20 rep breathing squat program is another version of Rest-Pause training. Which is very effective when wanting to add muscle mass a strength . Good Luck.

Side Bar: if not use to this type of training, the whole rib box may ache , like nothing else, for days. This is from the expanding of the rib box through deep breathing and stretch.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: DK II on December 16, 2008, 12:33:08 AM
I used to do that at the end of every leg day. Would try for around 60% of what ever my best low rep set for the day was for 20 reps. There's nothing that compares to just how hard that is if you do it right...

Will @ BrinkZone.com

to be honest, i think i stopped doing them because i could not stand it mentally. If you have done them for a while, alone the thought of it creates nausea.  :-\
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: mass 04 on December 16, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
I read this thread and decided to do them today. I will not recover.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: DK II on December 16, 2008, 07:45:33 AM
I read this thread and decided to do them today. I will not recover.

You will, but not in short time. lol
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: jpm101 on December 16, 2008, 10:12:42 AM
Mass04 will recover in short order for the next 20 rep workout. Six month's from now he will be know as Mass10, El Grande Gringo. Good Luck.
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: YoungBlood on December 16, 2008, 11:52:33 AM

Awhile back, I was doing a shock type of workout. After doing a couple of supersets follow by tri-sets...I somehow got the crazy idea to try 20 rep squats.
Knowing that my stabilizers would be a bit weak from all the previous moves, instead of back squats I used the Hack Squat machine. I used a weight that was just under my 10 rep threshold and I'm sure glad I did.
After the 13th rep, I had to pause, but then my legs started to give out. I had to rack it or else I'd have fallen right then and there into the mirror. I did another 3 painful reps, and same thing. I had to rack the weight again. I only racked it for a matter of 5 seconds or so. Just enough to take 2-3 good deep breathes of air and then unracked it and continued.
Afterwords, I couldn't see straight, having blurred vision and was walking into equipment.
I loved every minute of it too. :-[
Title: Re: Anyone ever tried 20 rep squats? WidowMakers?
Post by: MisterMagoo on December 18, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
i've done 225x20 just normal style with a few pauses, 275x20 in the "breathing" sense, and the latter was arguably the most agonizing thing i ever did. far worse than deadlifting 225x50. i'm skeptical about how useful they are in the long haul, especially for naturals, but as a once in a while thing they're kinda fun.