How many times you gonna post this topic Worm?
not sure if this guy is stupid or not, but he seems to ask the same every 2 weeks, allways about test, gyno, must be stupid i guess. Stick it for him :(;D, true, starting to think the guy is a narc.
not sure if this guy is stupid or not, but he seems to ask the same every 2 weeks, allways about test, gyno, must be stupid i guess. Stick it for him :(He posts these same questions on other boards also..guy is strange or just stupid ???
3 month is not enough, i recommend a 12 years cycle and two weeks off.;D
the guy is so paranoid and fiddles around with "HRT" I wonder what goes on in that head...
I did a test propionate only cycle for 6 week this summer
went from 190 to 243 in 4 weeks ;D
major bloat but then, it was post contest
amazing strenght increase tho
How many boxes of donuts were you going through a day?
I did a test propionate only cycle for 6 week this summer
went from 190 to 243 in 4 weeks ;D
major bloat but then, it was post contest
amazing strenght increase tho
WTF 53#'s in 4 weeks?
test only cycles. 500 a week x14 weeks with finasteride and nolva! no need to add anything else for solid gains in the long run.
How many boxes of donuts were you going through a day?
I didn't ate that much junk that's the funny part.
but I ate a SHITLOAD of carbs.
they have those huge home-made familial size lazagna at my super market, I ate 3 of those a day plus a lot of bread in the morning + lot of lean ground beef
I looked my best ever at 243 since I was fuckin swollen and I didn't really have the time to put on that much fat yet.
now, Add another 6 weeks to that and I was 230 and didn't see my abs very well anymore (12.5% bf)
paranoya.we dont know what extra test does either, really
but seriously, why mess with all that other shit? deca, winny, etc? if you do not plan on competing, then test is all you need, and its safer. just my 2 cents.
i do not think we know what progestins do in the male body (i.e from deca, etc..)
It might be time for you to go on a bulker. :-\
DIV
we dont know what extra test does either, really
yeah, but at least test is a naturally occurring hormone in the male body. and 500 per week is not an enourmous amount of suprapysiological test.well its easily 5-7 times the normal amount, plus by increasing test your also increasing gh which means your increasing igf-1. igf-1 we already know will probably shorten lifespan.
well its easily 5-7 times the normal amount, plus by increasing test your also increasing gh which means your increasing igf-1. igf-1 we already know will probably shorten lifespan.
well its easily 5-7 times the normal amount, plus by increasing test your also increasing gh which means your increasing igf-1. igf-1 we already know will probably shorten lifespan.
Drinking soy milk increases IGF-1 levels by 40 some odd percent as well. All those vegans thinking they're going to live a long life, oh boy do they have a big surprise coming!oh snap im gonna go get some soy milk ! ;D
Awhh hell now you really got his head spinning ;D
if i wanted to live as long as possible and be as healthy as possible, i would never come within a million miles of steroids, even testosterone. maybe at the age of 70 or over, would i then use a tiny little bit, but only a maximum of 100mg per week.
I will be fine. i limit myself to 2 cycles per year... only 2, 12 week cycles. so hopefully there are minimal health side effects.Are you joking, .5636737783 cycles a yr. and you will die of cancer, FACT!!!!!
This is true a healthy male is better off not touching them for overall health. Juice causes all kinds of things to happen some good, some not so good and if your shit is fine then really no reason to take them, unless you want to get pretty big maybe.
plus, who the hell wants to be 150 pounds? that may be worth 5-6 years off the lifespan.that general idea, is my general sentiment.
Drinking soy milk increases IGF-1 levels by 40 some odd percent as well. All those vegans thinking they're going to live a long life, oh boy do they have a big surprise coming!
I did a test propionate only cycle for 6 week this summer
went from 190 to 243 in 4 weeks ;D
major bloat but then, it was post contest
amazing strenght increase tho
Are you joking, .5636737783 cycles a yr. and you will die of cancer, FACT!!!!!
Your joking right?
Bullshit.
it was with a water rebound from a contest, if you think that's bullshit you clearly don't know shit about bodybuilding. it's very common
that general idea, is my general sentiment.
yeah, but i don;t think test (2 small cycles per year) will decrease life span that much, maybe a year.
what will decrease life span is mainly eating more.
mice starved their whole life end up living twice as long.
I would rather loose 5 years and be 240 pounds!
Even for naturals it's nothing outlandish. I don't know why MMM is being a dick and calling you out on it.i got this theory that the reason you explode after a diet is caus the low bloog sgar associated with lipolysis is also correlated with gh release(sort of a metabolic hormone with opposite effects of insulin)..which is directly correlated to igf-1 production... igf1 creates new muscle cells (hyperplasia not hypertophy)....so even though while your dieting your not gaining a net lb of muscle ..you still are going to finish your diet with a large net gain in muscles cells.......and now when you start to overeat a bit and keep your body in a fed state then growth willbe all the more rapid
One point I'd like to raise though is that I personally don't think that's very safe at all. I don't mean to be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black or anything, but steroids are enough of a cardiovascular risk as it is. I don't let myself blow up more than 10lbs over the course of a couple of months. If I were being liberal - 10lbs in a month if I were coming off a hard diet or contest diet.
I tend to play things on the safe side. Blood work always comes back fine in my case and not everyone runs into heart issues, but it's nothing that anyone should take lightly. I've heard pros even saying it's pretty dangerous to let yourself explode after a contest. Taking advantage of contest dieting and rebounding is one thing but holding that much water in a short period of time is a shocking and foreign phenomenon I wouldn't ever put my body through. I don't mean to sound elitist though. A couple of friends have gained 30lbs in a month (retaining abs and little distension around the midsection) after a contest. It's pretty fucking cool to be honest, but freaky lol :o
A few cycles a year won't shorten your lifespan any more than a bitchy girlfriend would.
Even for naturals it's nothing outlandish. I don't know why MMM is being a dick and calling you out on it.
One point I'd like to raise though is that I personally don't think that's very safe at all. I don't mean to be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black or anything, but steroids are enough of a cardiovascular risk as it is. I don't let myself blow up more than 10lbs over the course of a couple of months. If I were being liberal - 10lbs in a month if I were coming off a hard diet or contest diet.
I tend to play things on the safe side. Blood work always comes back fine in my case and not everyone runs into heart issues, but it's nothing that anyone should take lightly. I've heard pros even saying it's pretty dangerous to let yourself explode after a contest. Taking advantage of contest dieting and rebounding is one thing but holding that much water in a short period of time is a shocking and foreign phenomenon I wouldn't ever put my body through. I don't mean to sound elitist though. A couple of friends have gained 30lbs in a month (retaining abs and little distension around the midsection) after a contest. It's pretty fucking cool to be honest, but freaky lol :o
it was with a water rebound from a contest, if you think that's bullshit you clearly don't know shit about bodybuilding. it's very common
LOL I think maybe this has turned into "mess with worm's head" thread.;D
If you think you gained 40lbs of water in 4 weeks without ending up in a hospital you know nothing about human physiology. You might have gained a lot of water which is normal post contest but it wasn't 40lbs genius.
If you think you gained 40lbs of water in 4 weeks without ending up in a hospital you know nothing about human physiology. You might have gained a lot of water which is normal post contest but it wasn't 40lbs genius.
check this out guys !
Stavios's face at 240 lbs ;D
:-X
my face was so swollen that my eyes were disapearing under my cheeks
Thats a good offseason look, its the holidays, I say after the first start thinking about what you eat. With that said I may even have a drink or 2 tonight. ;D
Stavios you are looking good, I would love to slid up in between the sheets with you. But did the person who waxed your eyebrows only do one side?
jt
lmao !
no I did it alone, I fucked it up ;D
lesson learned, leave the chick jobs to the chicks ;D
I know that damn near no one here will admit it, but I'd say at least half of all fellas out there have fucked up plucking, shaving or waxing their eyebrows lmao ;D
I've admittedly fucked mine up pretty good. I just shave my uni a little bit so it's not too brutally cavemen-esque. I just make sure they remain manly yet clean.
Stavios you are looking good, I would love to slid up in between the sheets with you. But did the person who waxed your eyebrows only do one side?:-X
jt
lmao !
no I did it alone, I fucked it up ;D
lesson learned, leave the chick jobs to the chicks ;D
i used to trim my brows with a bic razor right down the middle..looked like stavy's... however i had a few women tell me it was obvious i was using a razor like i was ..so now ill use tweezers and pluck.. 8)
i used to trim my brows with a bic razor right down the middle..looked like stavy's... however i had a few women tell me it was obvious i was using a razor like i was ..so now ill use tweezers and pluck.. 8)I know it's apparent on the picture but no one noticed ;D
I know it's apparent on the picture but no one noticed ;Dlol.
good for me
lol.
delts and chest looking SWOLE in that picture
thanks man !hahahhahah ;D
they were :'(
In Feb comes the juice train again !!!!!!!
chouuuuuuuu chooooooou 8)
thanks man !
they were :'(
In Feb comes the juice train again !!!!!!!
chouuuuuuuu chooooooou 8)
I thought you said in another thread a few weeks ago that you were going back on in December?
Don't be a pussy Stav, do it. :D
Yeah but my grandfather was having serious money problems so I lended him 6k :-\
my muscles can wait a month or 2 :)
Yeah but my grandfather was having serious money problems so I lended (or lowned ? I don't know what the right word is) him 6k :-\wow stav thats a great thing to do
my muscles can wait a month or 2 :)
cheapest best cycle would be dbol only at 500 mg /week plus
but you said yourself that it mostely gave you bloat when you used 100 mg a day ?not necesarily
did you have a clean diet ?
not necesarily
never said such thing
dbol = muscle + some bloat...
dbol is the best thing ever for gaining muscle...
Test is better IMO - that's probably going to be my next cycle - 900mg test a week for 15 weeks. I wouldn't go back to Dbol - you lose eveything you've gained.
it's gonna be the same with every drug IMO;)
Test is better IMO - that's probably going to be my next cycle - 900mg test a week for 15 weeks. I wouldn't go back to Dbol - you lose eveything you've gained.
yeah proof, just ask the twink above ;)
why exaclty 900mg, what is your test dosed at?
jt
yeah proof, just ask the twink above ;)The gayest getbig fruitcake is giving gear advise ? :D
why exaclty 900mg, what is your test dosed at?
jt
yeah, i think a 600 test x 15 weeks os going to be good for me... of course its HG! so thats prob equivilent to 1200 of UG crap.
I did a test propionate only cycle for 6 week this summer
went from 190 to 243 in 4 weeks ;D
major bloat but then, it was post contest
amazing strenght increase tho
Bro are you for real...53 lbs on just Prop...seems a little fishy there cuz..what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD
what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREADMeltdownnnnnnnnnn ;D
it was after a contest, so there was a huge water rebound.
now, I am done on that subject and all the people who argue that it's not possible don't know jack shit about bodybuilding.
there is nothing uncommon with a big water (and fat) gain after a contest ::)
what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD
it was after a contest, so there was a huge water rebound.
now, I am done on that subject and all the people who argue that it's not possible don't know jack shit about bodybuilding.
there is nothing uncommon with a big water (and fat) gain after a contest ::)
LOL water rebound of 40lbs? Haha! ::)
I don't' see what's so difficult to comprehend here, this is NOT uncommon after a contest. The body is extremely depleted for a contest to get into shape and it's quite common for this rebound to happen. Most guys who've been competing for a while don't let it happen that drastically because it can wreck havoc on the body, health and skin wise. If you consider the fact that most competitors are 40-50lbs higher in the offseason than they are in contest shape what do you think happens when you start mass feeding the body after a severe depletion like that? Huge rebound.
I do have to say it would take me a couple months to put on 40lbs after a show.
But you're not the Stavios. ;)
::)
I said I gained Bloat, not anything else. ::)
I now declare everyone who does not believe a 40-50 lbs gain in 1 month after a contest a complete idiot !
now to all the haters who never even dieted down, please fuck off
Your friend, Stavios 8)
40lbs of water in 4 weeks???????? You're an idiot as well! 15-20lbs MAYBE! No fucking way 40lbs of water. Go back to science class genius.
I have seen almost that in a couple of days. No shit. Think about this example: you have been on zero carbs for a several weeks. Day before show you shoot Lasix and take 15lbs off overnight. What do you think happens when you stuff your face after the show?
Just out of curiosity, have you competed before Van? I'm assuming you have with the gear knowledge and all. Sorry if you've discussed it before, I've never seen you mention it.
Only once a long time ago. Injuries put an end to that unfortunately. I have a lot of friends who compete which is why I've seen these rebounds.
Sorry to hear that. Training injuries or something else?
Sorry to hear that. Training injuries or something else?
very sad indeed, although he is still a strong poster here.
jt
I have seen almost that in a couple of days. No shit. Think about this example: you have been on zero carbs for a several weeks. Day before show you shoot Lasix and take 15lbs off overnight. What do you think happens when you stuff your face after the show?
Exactly !!!!
a dude from my gym gained 35 lbs in less than 48 hours.
he had to be hospitalized tho
Fuck that sounds painfull. Did they give him diuretics at the hospital or anything?
yop he was super super bloated. his ankles were painful to look at :-X
I don't know exactly what they did at the hospital but I think they gave him diuretics if I remember well.
don't know what he did to get so bloated, he fucked up pretty bad with diuretics before the show too.
he looked horrible at the show because of his diuretic abuse
I hope he wasn't a junior.