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Why do sources seem to always use USPS? Wouldn't it be safer to use a private company like UPS?
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Why do sources seem to always use USPS? Wouldn't it be safer to use a private company like UPS?
No from what I understand private companies can search/open/check their packages easier.
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Thats not true UPS,FED-X,and DHL will not open any package unless there is a reason like a leak or by search warrent by law enforcement.They have nothing to do with any part of the goverment they are a private company and respect the customers privacy.
And alot of sources will not use eather of them cause alot of them require a signature and or they will leave the package on the doorstep and with the post office they will leave in the mail box UPS and the other private companies CAN NOT put anything in your mailbox its against the law only USPS.
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Thats not true UPS,FED-X,and DHL will not open any package unless there is a reason like a leak or by search warrent by law enforcement.They have nothing to do with any part of the goverment they are a private company and respect the customers privacy.
And alot of sources will not use eather of them cause alot of them require a signature and or they will leave the package on the doorstep and with the post office they will leave in the mail box UPS and the other private companies CAN NOT put anything in your mailbox its against the law only USPS.
Interesting I read a few years ago that UPS was using off duty cops/police dogs to check warehouses. Who knows? I've never worked for any of those companies.
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possibly more volume which could lead to less packs being searched? thats what I have heard....
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I don't think it is good to talk about the way things are shipped even though I am sure they already know...
I worked for UPS for 7 years...about 5 years ago and no never seen dogs...the packages are sorted and scanned and put on trucks to be delivered...now what happens before that process I have no idea
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Why do sources seem to always use USPS? Wouldn't it be safer to use a private company like UPS?
Pellster! >:(
Sources can track packages with EMS (USPS) and it makes accountability so much easier.
When I get a package from overseas it takes a week usually from the time it touches down to the time it arrives at my door.
With USPS, I can track it and see when it should arrive.
Sometimes the USPS fucks up the routine by not updating their system, but usually it's very smooth.
DIV
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Pellster! >:(
Sources can track packages with EMS (USPS) and it makes accountability so much easier.
When I get a package from overseas it takes a week usually from the time it touches down to the time it arrives at my door.
With USPS, I can track it and see when it should arrive.
Sometimes the USPS fucks up the routine by not updating their system, but usually it's very smooth.
DIV
UPS does track? Also, when you get a UPS box you can get a package/letter from anybody or any company. They even sign if USPS requires it. It just seems to me that private companies would be less concern about what they ship as they are not responsible. They just want to do their job and make money. It's the government that wants to stick it's nose into everybody's business.
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didnt you get busted? an your still messing with gear? to each their own i guess.
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UPS does track? Also, when you get a UPS box you can get a package/letter from anybody or any company. They even sign if USPS requires it. It just seems to me that private companies would be less concern about what they ship as they are not responsible. They just want to do their job and make money. It's the government that wants to stick it's nose into everybody's business.
Pellster,
You need to be careful.
One more strike could fuck you up for life. :-\
DIV
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UPS and Fedex can search any package they suspect has anything illegal in it, it is a lot easier for them at least domestic wise to search something. USPS is government and they have to go through certain procedures to search a package.
jt
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UPS and Fedex can search any package they suspect has anything illegal in it, it is a lot easier for them at least domestic wise to search something. USPS is government and they have to go through certain procedures to search a package.
jt
Now that makes sense and answers my question. I just wonder why they would give a crap. Unless they specifically know they are not liable and why would they want to find out?
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Pellster,
You need to be careful.
One more strike could fuck you up for life. :-\
DIV
I'm willing to die for you bitches.
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Now that makes sense and answers my question. I just wonder why they would give a crap. Unless they specifically know they are not liable and why would they want to find out?
Not sure they want their business to be known as the criminal undergrounds carrier, like WU and Moneygram are used for illegal activities.
jt
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UPS and Fedex can search any package they suspect has anything illegal in it, it is a lot easier for them at least domestic wise to search something. USPS is government and they have to go through certain procedures to search a package.
jt
hahaha ok i swear i will send ANY organon product to the wherever you want if you demonstrate that ups and fedex can search any package.
If you cant prove it, you quit this board, deal?
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I don't understand what you said really, but no I will not quit this board.
jt
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I don't understand what you said really, but no I will not quit this board.
jt
theres a "the" fucking up the sentence. Anyway i think you know what i mean: Prove what you said about ups or fedex and i will do whatever you want, even supply organon stuff straight from the drugstore.
I think such affirmation about ups&fedex can be demonstrated by you, right? Or...you read it "somewhere"?
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Oh ok I get it. What I read was that UPS and FedEx can search any package they are suspicious of, while USPS has to go through customs and stuff and have certain procedures. I read this on SSB about 2 or 3 years ago, so I can't link the thread, or prove it right or wrong, it's what I read.
jt
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Oh ok I get it. What I read was that UPS and FedEx can search any package they are suspicious of, while USPS has to go through customs and stuff and have certain procedures. I read this on SSB about 2 or 3 years ago, so I can't link the thread, or prove it right or wrong, it's what I read.
jt
Read what you wrote, it doesnt even make sense. If you dont know something, research from reliable sources or try to get a contract from ups.
I dont work for ups nor fedex, but i do believe stupid comments like the one you did can cause problems to such companies.
Where do you get your info? From the toilet just like tbombz or what?
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Read what you wrote, it doesnt even make sense. If you dont know something, research from reliable sources or try to get a contract from ups.
I dont work for ups nor fedex, but i do believe stupid comments like the one you did can cause problems to such companies.
Where do you get your info? From the toilet just like tbombz or what?
Yes it does I know what I wrote. Your in a bad mood tonight I can tell, no need to attack tbombz too. You know toilets don't give out info. Why do you care what effects these companies, UPS or FedEx, do you work for them? Why would they care if people are affraid to send steroids with their service lol.
jt
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Yes it does I know what I wrote. Your in a bad mood tonight I can tell, no need to attack tbombz too. You know toilets don't give out info. Why do you care what effects these companies, UPS or FedEx, do you work for them? Why would they care if people are affraid to send steroids with their service lol.
jt
Is your knowledge coming from the toilet, yes or no? What you wrote is totally stupid, basically you are saying usps must follow the law but private companies dont have to.
Not in a bad mood, just trying to understand how is that possible, are you a school student or university student?
USPS is government and they have to go through certain procedures to search a package.
Didnt know the law only apply to goverment related companies...anyway i know you wont admit you are wrong. Lack of education? Probably
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This is getting carried away to a stupid debate of you want to one up another posted. Simply private companies do not have to follow all laws because when you ship with them you are agreeing to certain terms.
jt
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This is getting carried away to a stupid debate of you want to one up another posted. Simply private companies do not have to follow all laws because when you ship with them you are agreeing to certain terms.
jt
They cant open your stuff, no need to debate this, even a person with no studies know this. Now as for "certain terms" i can tell you nor fedex or ups have such terms so i ask you again, not trying to fight here, just to clear up this wrong information: Did you just made up everything to make others believe you are aware of everything or what?
You can always email ups, say you are interested in a account, they will send you everything, and then you can look for those "certain terms" ::)
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I'd still die for you bitches.
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I'd still die for you bitches.
thats the spirit :)
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Not sure they want their business to be known as the criminal undergrounds carrier, like WU and Moneygram are used for illegal activities.
jt
Still, I can't help but think about the laws of incentives and restraints. Of course, no company wants to be known to promote criminal activities. But they are in the business to make a profit and in UPS' case this means delivering packages. What those packages contain would seem to be of less concern and if anything they would want to go out of their way NOT to know what's in them. Knowing what's being delivered is a matter for LE and why would a private company invest in inspectors that would hurt their business?
WU and MG is a good example. Of course everybody knows that these money transfers are often use for illegal purposes but all WU/MG cares about is that there is no fraud. That whoever is sending funds is actually that person and that the funds are available. They do that not because they're good citizens but simply because it's good business. Whether the parties involved are using those funds for helping their son make this month's rent or that it is used to buy viagra or anabolics would be of far less, if any, concern. In fact, it is in their interest to turn a blind eye. It's not their responsibility to enforce drug or racketeering laws.
But I know I'm missing something because USPS seems to overwhelmingly be the carrier of choice.
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Good post pellius I agree with most if not all of what you said.
jt
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I normally do not post on this board for a number of reasons, but came across this thread and thought I should reply so some of you guys don't fuck yourselves up.
You don't use private carriers (UPS, Fed-Ex, etc) because they are private actors and are NOT subject to the 4th Amendment as is the government. What this means for you is that tese private carriers need NO probable cause to open any package you send/receive. If they open the package and find contraband, they can turn it over to the government and even though it was found in a search with no probable cause, the government can use the contraband against you.
When you ship with 1st class mail or priority mail, a warrant, supported by probable cause must exist before the govt. can open the package. If they open without one, the exclusionary rule bars the use of any evidence they find in the pack from later being used against you.
The moral of this story is always use USPS first class/priority. You use private carriers at your own peril. Good luck and stay safe
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I normally do not post on this board for a number of reasons, but came across this thread and thought I should reply so some of you guys don't fuck yourselves up.
You don't use private carriers (UPS, Fed-Ex, etc) because they are private actors and are NOT subject to the 4th Amendment as is the government. What this means for you is that tese private carriers need NO probable cause to open any package you send/receive. If they open the package and find contraband, they can turn it over to the government and even though it was found in a search with no probable cause, the government can use the contraband against you.
When you ship with 1st class mail or priority mail, a warrant, supported by probable cause must exist before the govt. can open the package. If they open without one, the exclusionary rule bars the use of any evidence they find in the pack from later being used against you.
The moral of this story is always use USPS first class/priority. You use private carriers at your own peril. Good luck and stay safe
Makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. With that being the case if one is to get box should it be a PO box or a box from a private firm such as Mail Box etc., UPS...? I've always read to avoid U.S. Post Office boxes.
One other question: if you get a package via USPS and it is delivered to a UPS box can the UPS personnel open if they want?
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I normally do not post on this board for a number of reasons, but came across this thread and thought I should reply so some of you guys don't fuck yourselves up.
You don't use private carriers (UPS, Fed-Ex, etc) because they are private actors and are NOT subject to the 4th Amendment as is the government. What this means for you is that tese private carriers need NO probable cause to open any package you send/receive. If they open the package and find contraband, they can turn it over to the government and even though it was found in a search with no probable cause, the government can use the contraband against you.
When you ship with 1st class mail or priority mail, a warrant, supported by probable cause must exist before the govt. can open the package. If they open without one, the exclusionary rule bars the use of any evidence they find in the pack from later being used against you.
The moral of this story is always use USPS first class/priority. You use private carriers at your own peril. Good luck and stay safe
WannaBHuge thanks for posting that. Benz, I was right, even though I had second hand info, it was credible and good.
Pellius I would get a PO Box at a local store that has them, I am sure you can find someplace around their that has PO Boxes besides USPS and doesn't require ID.
jt
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WannaBHuge thanks for posting that. Benz, I was right, even though I had second hand info, it was credible and good.
Pellius I would get a PO Box at a local store that has them, I am sure you can find someplace around their that has PO Boxes besides USPS and doesn't require ID.
jt
My sources for such info are: 1) ups = i use the service for my business, contracts are here, they wont open anything. Different contracts with people? I doubt it. 2) Fedex = same as ups, even though i dont have any business relationship with them, the man that brought fedex to many latinamerican countries is the father of a friend of mine = source.
As for dhl excel/danzas, i dont know anything.
As you can see my info does not come from some forum with wannabe's talking about conspiracy all day.
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Makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. With that being the case if one is to get box should it be a PO box or a box from a private firm such as Mail Box etc., UPS...? I've always read to avoid U.S. Post Office boxes.
One other question: if you get a package via USPS and it is delivered to a UPS box can the UPS personnel open if they want?
I'm not sure who Benz was referring to, but his post is purely anecdotal and shouldn't be used as advice. The point is that private carriers are not contrained by any regulations that prevent them from opening your package if they want. Sure they might not choose to, but the point is they can. If they do, the evidence can later be used against you.
To answer your question pellius, if it were me, and I was determined to have things delivered somewhere other than my residence, I would probably choose the PO box. If a pack is delievered to a UPS box, then the personel working there CAN open it. Sure they probably wouldnt, and maybe they would get fired for opening, but that isnt the point. Remember, the 4th Amendment DOES NOT regulate the conduct of private actors/persons. Thus, if an employee opening it when it was sitting in your box, the evidence could be turned over to the police and be used against you. However, if a postal employee opened your pack while it was sitting in your PO box, any evidence contained therein would be excluded in any subsequent criminal trial (unless of course they obtained a warrant beforehand).
I think the options here speak for themselves. But make your own decision
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something else to add, ups, just like any order mail company, CAN require to inspect a package BEFORE accepting it, and then decide if it can be shipped or not, but its not like they accept it and later at destiny they will open it.
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I'm not sure who Benz was referring to, but his post is purely anecdotal and shouldn't be used as advice. The point is that private carriers are not contrained by any regulations that prevent them from opening your package if they want. Sure they might not choose to, but the point is they can. If they do, the evidence can later be used against you.
To answer your question pellius, if it were me, and I was determined to have things delivered somewhere other than my residence, I would probably choose the PO box. If a pack is delievered to a UPS box, then the personel working there CAN open it. Sure they probably wouldnt, and maybe they would get fired for opening, but that isnt the point. Remember, the 4th Amendment DOES NOT regulate the conduct of private actors/persons. Thus, if an employee opening it when it was sitting in your box, the evidence could be turned over to the police and be used against you. However, if a postal employee opened your pack while it was sitting in your PO box, any evidence contained therein would be excluded in any subsequent criminal trial (unless of course they obtained a warrant beforehand).
I think the options here speak for themselves. But make your own decision
reffer to 1991 case of cocaine, they did that and it was rejected
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WannaBHuge thanks for posting that. Benz, I was right, even though I had second hand info, it was credible and good.
Pellius I would get a PO Box at a local store that has them, I am sure you can find someplace around their that has PO Boxes besides USPS and doesn't require ID.
jt
Actually, by PO box I meant Post Office box as in USPS box. So getting a box at the actual Post office is safer? In my area (boonies) we don't have Mail Box etc, or stores that have them. Heck I have to drive 24 miles round trip to access my UPS box. I have a USPS station about 5 miles away and can get a box there.
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Well it would probably be just about as safe getting it shipped straight to your house. Unless you have a fake ID to register your PO box under, you will have to end up using your real ID with your real name and address on it.
jt