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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: genrommel74 on December 28, 2008, 11:19:40 PM
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Any good liver cleanser brands out there anyone would advise me to take as i'm taking 40mg of dbol a day? Thanks brothas
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after oral supplementation I use Liv52 and cranberry extract for about a month...
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I drink lime + tobasco + pepper in the morning, if that doesnt clean your liver, nothing will :)
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I also using liver 52 + some primose oil
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liv-52
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This one should be good. Theoretically.
http://www.thermolife.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=16
Or this if you can get it (related compound)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodeoxycholic_acid
But most handle orals just fine and no "cleanse" is necessary.
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i wouldn't waste my money on this stuff, your body will recover anyway.
jt
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do you guys use your liv and kids products during or after you use orals...?
I have always ran mine after the orals for a month and then again after PCT...I usually run my orals to start a cycle or midway
through for 6 weeks min....I am going to start up here in about a week and try something new...run orals the first 6 weeks then
the last 4 weeks of a 16 week cycle.
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Oh one more thing I run is NAC!
Theres a supplier selling something called liver support. Supposedly its a pharmaceutical. I'll have to look into it.
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do you guys use your liv and kids products during or after you use orals...?
I have always ran mine after the orals for a month and then again after PCT...I usually run my orals to start a cycle or midway
through for 6 weeks min....I am going to start up here in about a week and try something new...run orals the first 6 weeks then
the last 4 weeks of a 16 week cycle.
no
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thanks for the feedback guys. I appreciate it. I've done dbol a lot in my past, and i'm almost through with a cycle of it. I'm taking 40mg a week and its potent ass crap. I have lately started feeling like weird aches and pains off and on where my liver and kidneys would be. It's not anything major and it never stays a long time, I was just concered and wanted to know what you guy's would recogmend.
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Oh, and one more question. I'm planning on hitting a test-e / decca cycle here in like 2 weeks or so.. maybe a little longer. I'm almost through with my decca (maybe 3-4 more days). I really wanted to take dbol with this cycle but I didn't know if it was safe too. How long would you guys recogmend I cleanse out? I just want to be rip roaring ready to hit it hard with this next cycle but I want to be completely clean. Oh, and I'm also finishing up a cycle of gh as well. Any advice would be awesome brothaaaas.
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Ah shit, I meant to say i'm almost done with my DBOL (3-4 days) my bad!
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glutation
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Bro tell us again what exactly your on and how long. Your all over the place with your postings.
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got me lost too... so your almost done your dbol 3-4 days left? and you wanna take a break for 2 weeks and then start test/deca?
very lost bro need more clarification
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Oh, and one more question. I'm planning on hitting a test-e / decca cycle here in like 2 weeks or so.. maybe a little longer. I'm almost through with my decca (maybe 3-4 more days). I really wanted to take dbol with this cycle but I didn't know if it was safe too. How long would you guys recogmend I cleanse out? I just want to be rip roaring ready to hit it hard with this next cycle but I want to be completely clean. Oh, and I'm also finishing up a cycle of gh as well. Any advice would be awesome brothaaaas.
you will be fine, nothing to cleanse out, just do your regular workouts, eat what you regulary eat, your body will cleanse itself out.
jt
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This one should be good. Theoretically.
http://www.thermolife.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=16
Or this if you can get it (related compound)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodeoxycholic_acid
But most handle orals just fine and no "cleanse" is necessary.
Do you know anything about this product/compound Van?
I know the owner of Thermolife and he is a nut ball so can't say I trust him all that much!! Seriously, the dude is wayyyyyy out there, but so are a lot of people in the supp. industry
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For the record, Liv-52 is great and so is Now Liver Detoxifier and Regenerator 8)
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For the record, Liv-52 is great and so is Now Liver Detoxifier and Regenerator 8)
how do you judge how well a liver cleanser is working ???
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how do you judge how well a liver cleanser is working ???
Just know, the FORCE tells me so :D
Really no way of telling. Not like you will feel it working....
I guess by my blood work telling me my enzyme count is down??? I dont flippin know, quit asking such tough questions already??
How does anyone else judge them?
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well if I can't tell something is doing any good for me then I don't spend my money on it, that would be like using gear that doesn't make you gain muscle and strength.
jt
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Just know, the FORCE tells me so :D
Really no way of telling. Not like you will feel it working....
I guess by my blood work telling me my enzyme count is down??? I dont flippin know, quit asking such tough questions already??
How does anyone else judge them?
blood work..that is how I tell also
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Just know, the FORCE tells me so :D
Really no way of telling. Not like you will feel it working....
I guess by my blood work telling me my enzyme count is down??? I dont flippin know, quit asking such tough questions already??
How does anyone else judge them?
LMAO again, what do we have a bunch of class clowns here this morning? There is some funny shit going on on the board this morning.
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LMAO again, what do we have a bunch of class clowns here this morning? There is some funny shit going on on the board this morning.
I like to keep it light in here kid. ;)
Seems a bit "stuffy" lately
But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.
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I like to keep it light in here kid. ;)
Seems a bit "stuffy" lately
But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.
Oh yeah I agree. You need blood work, this is a must. It is the only way to monitor your health accurately. Liver support is kinda like insurance.
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But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.
Oh yeah I agree. You need blood work, this is a must. It is the only way to monitor your health accurately. Liver support is kinda like insurance.
Unfortunately blood work doesn't always tell the whole story. Peliosis hepatitis, liver adenomas can develop even while blood work looks good.
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Do you know anything about this product/compound Van?
I know the owner of Thermolife and he is a nut ball so can't say I trust him all that much!! Seriously, the dude is wayyyyyy out there, but so are a lot of people in the supp. industry
I don't know the guy but from what I've read he seems a bit crazy.
I do know UDCA is used in case of cholestasis, which is what you have to worry about when you use oral steroids. There is not much data supporting Liv-52, anti-oxidants etc (for this type of liver complication).
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They have liver transplants right?
jt
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They have liver transplants right?
jt
Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.
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Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.
WOWOOW I didn't know it was that easy, I guess if you have healthcare covered just go for the dream baby!
jt
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Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.
Haha chasing the dream huh Van?
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Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.
I keep a couple in the freezer, just in case...
Your killin' me Van.
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after oral supplementation I use Liv52 and cranberry extract for about a month...
Agree with this...worked for me for the last year.
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I do know UDCA is used in case of cholestasis, which is what you have to worry about when you use oral steroids. There is not much data supporting Liv-52, anti-oxidants etc (for this type of liver complication).
Ursodeoxycholic acid restores anabolic liver
Mexican doctors managed to repair a bodybuilder's damaged using the bile acid ursodeoxycholic acid, UDCA for short. UDCA is a cholesterol regulator that humans manufacture in small quantities in the body. Doctors and supplements
manufacturers use a synthetic version of the substance. The full name for UDCA is 3alpha,7beta dihydroxy 5alpha cholan 24-oic acid. [Structure below]
The 29-year-old bodybuilder had been suffering from stomach pain for two months. Two weeks before he went to the doctor he also developed jaundice and itching. He had lost fourteen kilograms.
The doctors discovered that his liver was in a bad way. The steroids the bodybuilder had been taking had given him cholestasis, a condition in which the ducts in the liver become inflamed and therefore cannot remove bile to the duodenum. Bile removes cholesterol from the body.
Before becoming ill, the bodybuilder had taken a three-month course of 25 mg of proviron per day, 40 mg of andriol per day, 30 mg of deca per day, 50 mg of oxymetholone per day and 800 mg of testosterone per day. [It’s there in black and white – Ed.]
The doctors got the bodybuilder to stop taking the steroids and gave him a daily 15 mg per kg bodyweight of ursodeoxycholic acid. Ursodiol, as it is also called, removes poisonous bile acids and possibly also steroids from the liver by competition - and thus stimulates the recovery of the ducts through which the liver sends the bile acid to the duodenum in the gut. [Gut. 1991 Sep;32(9):1061-5.] It took a couple of months but the bodybuilder’s liver function recovered.
(http://www.ergo-log.com/plaatjes/udca.leverfuncties.gif)
Alb = albumin; ALT = alanine aminotransferase; AP = alkaline phosphatase; AST = aspartate aminotransferase; DB = direct bilirubin; GGT = gamma-glutamyltransferase; PT = prothrombin time; TB = total bilirubin; TPT = partial thromboplastin time.
Sources:
Liver Int. 2008 Feb;28(2):278-82.
http://www.ergo-log.com/udca.html
Here's also an article about the Essentiale Forte study which I posted about a while back:
http://www.ergo-log.com/essentialeforte.html
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I like to keep it light in here kid. ;)
Seems a bit "stuffy" lately
But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.
Stuffy? ???
DIV
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B-12 & Milk Thistle
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milk thistle for me - 1 in the morning, 1 at night.
within 2 days my urine is as clear as alaskan glacier water 8)