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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: vic86 on December 29, 2008, 08:10:11 AM
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i want to build decent weight on bench,my current bench is very embarassing, my delts are strong compared to my chest, i always use textbook form in DB`s and Barbells,also i tend to train my tricep with my chest , should i train them separately?also i tend to do barbellrows same weight as my bench and my numbers are good in that.
i see lot of "Trainers" benching with a sloppy technique with 4 inch ROM and trying to outlift you ???
any help?would be appreciated
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one of the bbest ways to build strength quickly is to do "heavy negatives"
load up 150% of your maximum bench press. (so if you bench 100 then load up 150. if you bench 200 then load up 300.) then have somebody spot you, make sure they are stong enough to lift the wight, then you slowly lower the bar to your chest, then the spotter lifts the bar back up for you,, then you lower the bar again. you only doing half the rep, the "eccentric portion" ( the protion of the lift in which you lower the weight)
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An article I wrote guaranteed to work as long as you follow it to the letter:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/wescott1.htm
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one of the bbest ways to build strength quickly is to do "heavy negatives"
load up 150% of your maximum bench press. (so if you bench 100 then load up 150. if you bench 200 then load up 300.) then have somebody spot you, make sure they are stong enough to lift the wight, then you slowly lower the bar to your chest, then the spotter lifts the bar back up for you,, then you lower the bar again. you only doing half the rep, the "eccentric portion" ( the protion of the lift in which you lower the weight)
The spotter will get huge traps if nothing else. :)
Negatives are great but if the lifter is inexperienced,he could easily tear a pec or develop rotator cuff injuries.
Only for advanced trainers.
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I am just starting to work out on a regular basis. I notice that I can lift a fair amount of weight at the start of my routine, but just don't have the power later on. What can I do to improve my strength so I can stay longer at the gym¿¿¿ Any help would be awesome.....! ???
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Negatives are awful - I don't know why anyone would advocate them.
Forced reps are the way to go if you want to increase your bench press in my opinion.
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Negatives are awful - I don't know why anyone would advocate them.
Forced reps are the way to go if you want to increase your bench press in my opinion.
pretty much the only difference between negatives and forced reps is that youve pre exhausted the muscle although in all honesty i like forced reps better as they are easier on the joints but i think negatives definitely have a time and place.
Also bring up your triceps, body weight dips and try to get up to hanging weights off of you, military presses, and in all honesty strengthning you back will help some as well.
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The spotter will get huge traps if nothing else. :)
Negatives are great but if the lifter is inexperienced,he could easily tear a pec or develop rotator cuff injuries.
Only for advanced trainers.
yeah, the lifter performing negatioves definitely needs to "know how to lift" in order to do them effectively and safely.
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one of the bbest ways to build strength quickly is to do "heavy negatives"
load up 150% of your maximum bench press....
brutal pec tears ::) ::) ::)
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brutal pec tears ::) ::) ::)
LOL ya i dont think 150% is a good guide i couldnt even unrack 150% of my max, when i do negatives i usually got about 30 to 50 lbs over my whatever i use for my last set. I havent maxed out in years but if i used the 150% i think that would put my negatives on bench at around 500lbs or so LOL hahahah i couldnt even imagine trying that shit.
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yeah, my bench is around 350 now and if i tried "negatives" with 525 the weight would drive me into the floor given my shoulders would not pop first. when i do negatives, and i do them very rarely, i use 105 or 110 percent of my max.
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When i tried negatives on bench i was training with 2 mates so they stod either side of the bar, so i was going kinda heavy and was doing like the 3rd rep and as i was lowering it down i slowed right down yet was still going lower, but my mate thought i was finished, so he grabbed the left side of the bar and pulled it up, which transferred all the weight to my right side.
Luckily my mate to my right had good reaction time and prevented me from getting crushed. I thought i had torn my right pec though. Was killing me for days. And now i've got a bit of an indent on my inner right pec..... :-\
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The recommended weight to use for eccentric training is generally 110-140% of your 1RM.
Also, contrary to what wes and others writes in this thread, I am of the opinion that eccentric training is very safe.
Most injuries actually happens during the concentric phase of a lift.
The only problem, IMO, with eccentrics are that they are very taxing and should be used sparingly.
Three sets of three reps in the middle of a benchpress workout (start off with regular benchpress, then the eccentrics, and finish off with a few sets of close grips perhaps)
Either use eccentrics for 2-3 weeks in a row and then do 6-8 weeks of regular benchpressing with no eccentrics.
Or try do eccentrics every second or third week.
When doing the the eccentrics, you need at least one very strong spotter, preferably three.
The guy who spots you from behind should keep his hand near the bar the whole time, and be prepared to give you a little assistance in the lowering portion in weak parts in the 2nd and 3rd rep especially.
He also needs to pull the bar as hard as possible once it's down.
It's not supposed to be some kind of eccentric/"lift as hard as you can-concentric". Ideally, you should only be guiding the bar on the way up.
That is only possible if you have three spotters.
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I fail to understand why on earth negatives would work for bodybuilding purposes (or even strength training purposes for that matter).
The muscle is stimulated only through the concentric range and determining how stimulated it gets is determined by how many muscle fibres are recruited to perform the concentric action. This is why half reps are not effective either - you need to recruit as much muscle fibres as possible to stimulate the muscle to its fullest. No amount of weight will help you on the eccentric portion of the rep and nobody ever got bigger or stronger by performing negative reps with a spotter. You don't see WSM competitiors doing negatives in the gym to help with their strength - why would it help anyone elses?
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I fail to understand why on earth negatives would work for bodybuilding purposes (or even strength training purposes for that matter).
The muscle is stimulated only through the concentric range and determining how stimulated it gets is determined by how many muscle fibres are recruited to perform the concentric action. This is why half reps are not effective either - you need to recruit as much muscle fibres as possible to stimulate the muscle to its fullest. No amount of weight will help you on the eccentric portion of the rep and nobody ever got bigger or stronger by performing negative reps with a spotter. You don't see WSM competitiors doing negatives in the gym to help with their strength - why would it help anyone elses?
The eccentric stage of the rep is where most of the muscular damage occurs. For example, if you've ever had a chance to try sled dragging you will almost never get very sore from it because the eccentric portion of the rep is non-existent, and you can do pretty much anything upper body - chest presses, rows, raises, etc.
However, 150% of your 1RM is completely fucking retarded. In fact, IMO unless your technique is absolutely FLAWLESS with 100% of your max, you're going to kill yourself doing heavier negatives all by themselves. Think about it - usually when you see guys do a 1RM attempt things get a little bit iffy - definitely not perfect. Now add an extra hundred pounds or more to the descent and see if you survive. I wouldn't go more than 10-15% over your regular weights for negative only sets, do 1-3 negatives, and don't do it again for 2 months. At least. IMO.
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Agree with Hedgehog on just about all points. Can also apply negatives/eccentrics to short ROM's (partial reps in a set pin power rack for example), which are very effective for power. Some favorable results are when N/E's are done in the beginning of a serious workout, though most lifters will do them as the last part of a specific workout. If preformed first the usually weight used can feel very light indeed. N/E's are a version of the overload system.
The lowering of the bar should be slower and in complete control of the lifter at all times. If it is not than too much weight is being handled. That is the cause of injury, mostly directed to ligaments,joints and tendons, not so much the muscles themselves. Rep's can be broad range with this style of training. Have seen, and used, anywhere from 2 to 12 or even more. Sets usually 2 at the most. 3 to the extreme, if you think your CNS can adapt to it. Actually one good set can accomplish much in the way of increased strength and is probably what most lifters can gain from. Also keep the positive phase of the exercise to a minimum if doing N/E in the same workout.
N/E's are well suited for chins/pull-ups if a person is generally weak in that exercise. Stand on a bench and lower the body slowly to the full bottom stretch. Try for higher reps. Going to gain strength rather quickly. When added 50- to 80 weight to the negatives, after a while, you regular chin should shoot up. And very impressive at that.
Might also consider one hand negatives in a chinning program. Affective for most who try it that way. Even just holding the top position for 10 to 20 seconds (static) builds strength. Good Luck.
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The recommended weight to use for eccentric training is generally 110-140% of your 1RM.
Also, contrary to what wes and others writes in this thread, I am of the opinion that eccentric training is very safe.
Most injuries actually happens during the concentric phase of a lift.
The only problem, IMO, with eccentrics are that they are very taxing and should be used sparingly.
Three sets of three reps in the middle of a benchpress workout (start off with regular benchpress, then the eccentrics, and finish off with a few sets of close grips perhaps)
Either use eccentrics for 2-3 weeks in a row and then do 6-8 weeks of regular benchpressing with no eccentrics.
Or try do eccentrics every second or third week.
When doing the the eccentrics, you need at least one very strong spotter, preferably three.
The guy who spots you from behind should keep his hand near the bar the whole time, and be prepared to give you a little assistance in the lowering portion in weak parts in the 2nd and 3rd rep especially.
He also needs to pull the bar as hard as possible once it's down.
It's not supposed to be some kind of eccentric/"lift as hard as you can-concentric". Ideally, you should only be guiding the bar on the way up.
That is only possible if you have three spotters.
Zack,I think negatives are great,but the original poster sure doesn`t sound advanced enough to use them,sounds more like he really just needs to do more benches.
Pretty advanced technique........builds a lot of power simply because everyone can definately lower more weight than they can raise or lift,just a bit advaned for a novice trainer and almost always not necessary in the early stages of training.
Connective tissue must be strong or injury is likely,and most novices would more than likely get hurt.
I do beleive that partials from different positions in a power rack are far superior because if you are weak getting the bar off the chest,you work low, and it`ll help build explosive power,and if your lockout sux,just work partials in the top position, and this applies to anywhere in between where your sticking point happens to be at any time.
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good post hedge... i think 150% is okay... i can definitely get 150% of my guesstimated one rep max for a few reps .. but i never try out one rep max so maybe i just think i can get 150% and maybe my max is higher than i think it is..
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doing dumbell presses wil increase your bench poundages...
also dont just shoot to be a strong bencher .. try to be strong at everything
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load up 150% of your maximum bench press. (so if you bench 100 then load up 150. if you bench 200 then load up 300.) then have somebody spot you, make sure they are stong enough to lift the wight, then you slowly lower the bar to your chest, then the spotter lifts the bar back up for you,, then you lower the bar again. you only doing half the rep, the "eccentric portion" ( the protion of the lift in which you lower the weight)
150% might work for EXTREME beginners, but it's absolutely idiotic once you get any decent strength. a 225 bencher shouldn't be putting himself under 340 unlss he hates his joints, and i would kill myself if i got under 565. 110% is a more reasonable number. a 200 bencher getting under 300? are you for real? ???
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good post hedge... i think 150% is okay... i can definitely get 150% of my guesstimated one rep max for a few reps .. but i never try out one rep max so maybe i just think i can get 150% and maybe my max is higher than i think it is..
also, you don't "get" any reps on negatives. strictly speaking you can do negatives with 150% of your max for 20 reps as long as your spotter holds out. it's impossible to "fail" when you're doing negatives.
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magoo i dont think its dangerou if the person is an experienced lifter.
thats a good point you made about it being tought to fail on negatives regardless of weight. (yes it is impossible,,, except eventually youll probably let the bar crush your ches or throat by dropping it so fast hahah)
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You fail by going too heavy..............bar just falls and you have no control over it.
Much like what would happen using your 150 % of your max suggestion Taylor!! :)
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You fail by going too heavy..............bar just falls and you have no control over it.
Much like what would happen using your 150 % of your max suggestion Taylor!! :)
well i estimate my max at about 335 or so, maybe more if i didnt care about using shoulders and triceps, i think i would be able to do 500 (5 plates a side)... but im not saying that anybody should try to lift any more weight than they are comfortable lifting
nobody should lift a weight that they dont feel safe lifting or that they are "scared of. thats setting ones self up for injury.
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well i estimate my max at about 335 or so, maybe more if i didnt care about using shoulders and triceps, i think i would be able to do 500 (5 plates a side)
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
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well i estimate my max at about 335 or so, maybe more if i didnt care about using shoulders and triceps, i think i would be able to do 500 (5 plates a side)... but im not saying that anybody should try to lift any more weight than they are comfortable lifting
nobody should lift a weight that they dont feel safe lifting or that they are "scared of. thats setting ones self up for injury.
Dude c`mon!
::)
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well i estimate my max at about 335 or so, maybe more if i didnt care about using shoulders and triceps, i think i would be able to do 500 (5 plates a side)
uhhh........no !
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I fail to understand why on earth negatives would work for bodybuilding purposes (or even strength training purposes for that matter).
The muscle is stimulated only through the concentric range and determining how stimulated it gets is determined by how many muscle fibres are recruited to perform the concentric action. This is why half reps are not effective either - you need to recruit as much muscle fibres as possible to stimulate the muscle to its fullest. No amount of weight will help you on the eccentric portion of the rep and nobody ever got bigger or stronger by performing negative reps with a spotter. You don't see WSM competitiors doing negatives in the gym to help with their strength - why would it help anyone elses?
Here's where you're fundamentally wrong, in my humble opinion.
Or lets say that you and I are of opposing opinions?
I believe, after seeing studies and talking to a few sports scientists, that it is only during the eccentric phase that there is significant hypertrophic stimuli.
Obviously, there are a few other things that dictate strength (eg neuromuscular pathway signal strength), but for a bodybuilder, IMO, it does not make any sense to do slow concentric repetitions.
The focus should be on the eccentric portion of the repetition.
I've seen a study in which a leg press where used, concentric and eccentric versions of the leg press where performed.
Only in the eccentric test group where there significant acute anabolic signals.
I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree.
As far as eccentric training goes though:
It could probably be used by anyone.
And just like Magoo stated, beginners can probably get away with using a higher percentage.
But the problem for inexperienced lifters, is that there's a big chance that they will increase the weights used the whole time and do too many sets and too much volume.
Maybe this is what wes was referring to, and then I think he's right. You need to be experienced, or have a very good layout and follow it.
Or optimally, have someone guiding you. Then eccentrics are an awesome tool IMO.
FWIW, I think eccentric reverse hypers (Lay down on a lateral extension board and have your buddy pull you down) is an excellent rehab/prehab excersise.
Just as eccentric crunches can be a great alternative for those who wants to do crunches but have an hurting lower back or hip.
When implementing eccentrics:
* control total volume
* don't do them every week. use it moderatly, be aware of its effect.
* why not try focusing on the eccentric phase in regular sets for a few weeks. see what happens.
Finally, a short note on what you wrote about half reps:
This is why half reps are not effective either - you need to recruit as much muscle fibres as possible to stimulate the muscle to its fullest.
I'm not sure you understand how muscle fibers work.
They're much like lamps.
Either they work full force. Or they don't.
Which mean that in order to work all muscle fibers, we need to lift as heavy weights as possible.
This is one reason why eccentrics are great. They allow us to recruit more muscle fibers than we normally do during a conventional set.
There's something called the "Hennemann's size principle" which means that the muscle will recruit only the muscle fibers needed for the work it has to do.
So in effect, it means that the strongest fibers will be resting until we give them hell.
The slow twitch fibers are constantly working, even in our daily life.
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thank you for your response,
i tend to keep my bench routine this way
total 4 sets
1-warm ups- 15-18 reps
2-moderate-10-12 reps
3-heavy failure sets-6-8 reps
4-same as 3
i always train for hypertrophy and strength, i do increase my poundages gradually as my reps with the weight increases,i always tend to keep a 2 week cycle , meaning if the first week i do flat bench with barbell, the next week i substitute with flat dumbell bench , and it goes on like that,alternating workouts with other body parts too, as said in the previous posts how often should i try for 1-2 reps max?? lately i have been doing lower partials and avoiding lockouts at top?can i also follow explosive form ie bouncing the bar?
For the tris
should i be training them with chest?or do it separately just to bring out strength wouldnt it be taxing to do three pressing movoments in a week?
for delts
i have been doing hangclean presses to improve my arm strength, also for my delts.
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thank you for your response,
i tend to keep my bench routine this way
total 4 sets
1-warm ups- 15-18 reps
2-moderate-10-12 reps
3-heavy failure sets-6-8 reps
4-same as 3
i always train for hypertrophy and strength, i do increase my poundages gradually as my reps with the weight increases,i always tend to keep a 2 week cycle , meaning if the first week i do flat bench with barbell, the next week i substitute with flat dumbell bench , and it goes on like that,alternating workouts with other body parts too, as said in the previous posts how often should i try for 1-2 reps max?? lately i have been doing lower partials and avoiding lockouts at top?can i also follow explosive form ie bouncing the bar?
For the tris
should i be training them with chest?or do it separately just to bring out strength wouldnt it be taxing to do three pressing movoments in a week?
for delts
i have been doing hangclean presses to improve my arm strength, also for my delts.
I think it's a mistake to train to failure on a regular basis.
Let me suggest this approach on the sets:
Warmup: Bar/10 reps, 95/5*3
Then one or two sets with the moderate weight or slightly more: X/2, X/2,
Then finally 3-4 sets of heavy benchpressing, eg: 185/6, 195/6, 190/6 (I have no idea how strong you are in the benchpress, I just wrote down some random numbers).
Also, do the whole range of motion, you definitely want to hit your triceps as well.
Periodising the training is a way to get good gains.
An easy way to periodise your training is to have one heavier week and one lighter week.
On the lighter week, you do the same amount of reps and sets, but 10% lighter on everything.
On the heavier week, you always try to go a little heavier.
This works pretty good for beginners. More advanced lifters will probably need to periodise their training some more.
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Negative reps at 150% of a person's normal bench range?! ::)
Oh please - if that was me I'd have to put about 500lbs on the bar which I wouldn't even be able to get off the rack. And if I was lucky enough to get it off the rack it would drive me through the floor! Not to mention that my spotter would get an unbelieveable trap and shoulder workout from all the upright rows he'd be doing at my expense!
Honestly, sometimes the "advice" on this training forum borders on the retarded.
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well i estimate my max at about 335 or so, maybe more if i didnt care about using shoulders and triceps, i think i would be able to do 500 (5 plates a side)...
no. no you can't. i'll say right now you can't even do 4 plates a side no matter how much you try and use shoulders and triceps. i can push 3 plates with my feet in the air and there's video evidence of what happened when i tried 385. you have to be absolutely delusional to think if your current max is in the mid-300's you'd be able to even HOLD 5 plates. i will say right now you couldn't even do 500 if you had the thickest denim shirt you could buy. period.
and if you're honestly suggesting you've been doing negatives with 505 you must think we're pretty low-watt bulbs. your elbows and shoulders would explode with that. if you had the power to lower 505 to your chest you'd be able to get 405 up easily. EASILY. i did a negative with 425 once and the last six inches were almost scary with how heavy it felt.
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seeems like a whole lot of very strong opinions about negatives.
;D
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negs are fine. your lies and/or deluded estimations of your abilities are not. :-\
seriously man, 335 is a good bench, but there's no way period you'll be shoving 500. end of story. you may think you aren't using any chest or shoulders, but you are. and quite a lot.
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why do you take that so seriously? i just threw out a % higher than 100% to make it above the max. but its a negative...its just lowering the bar. anybody is going to be able to do a massive amount with negatives.
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why do you take that so seriously? i just threw out a % higher than 100% to make it above the max. but its a negative...its just lowering the bar. anybody is going to be able to do a massive amount with negatives.
no they won't because there comes a point when your tendons and ligaments just can't support that much pressure. if your body can press 350 that means you can push with about 355 pounds of pressure (assuming you can push with more force than the weight of the bar in order to make it move). no matter how much weight above that you use, you can only put 355 pounds of force to slow it down.
put something insanely above your maximal load and you're still only pushing with 355 pounds of force. it doesn't matter if you do that negative with 380 or 580, you're pushing back just as hard. only difference now is you're taking an insane toll on your joints just trying to support it.
i guarantee you right now you aren't doing 150% of your 1RM on negatives, and you won't be able to even HOLD 500 if you're maxing at 335.
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i dont do negatives and i dont max out, i estimated both.
if you think lowering 5 plates is to tough without even trying it, stop being a pussy. you will NEVER do anything that you dont BELIEVE you can do before doing it.
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um, i've lowered 425 and my current max is 375-380. if i put 500 in my hands my shoulders would explode. in a bench shirt, 465 made my elbows hurt after i tried it enough times.
unless you underestimated your max by around 150 pounds, you cannot bench 500. end of story. sorry dude. game over. try again.
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i dont do negatives and i dont max out, i estimated both.
if you think lowering 5 plates is to tough without even trying it, stop being a pussy. you will NEVER do anything that you dont BELIEVE you can do before doing it.
Good attitude to have dude,but in this case it`s not realistic.
Try lowering 500 pounds and then when you get out of the hospital and the casts come off both arms, and the sutures are removed from your shoulders,tell us how heavy it felt!! :)
You`re a good kid who parrots a lot of info,and you do know a lot,but you ain`t been around long enough to have the real world gym experience if you think you can lower 500 pounds under control.
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Good attitude to have dude,but in this case it`s not realistic.
Try lowering 500 pounds and then when you get out of the hospital and the casts come off both arms, and the sutures are removed from your shoulders,tell us how heavy it felt!! :)
You`re a good kid who parrots a lot of info,and you do know a lot,but you ain`t been around long enough to have the real world gym experience if you think you can lower 500 pounds under control.
well t be honest i never lift heavy so i have no idea what 500 lbs feels like on anything except legs. but i dont think its a good attitude to have = " i could never lower that amount of weight" i wont admit defeat untill ive experienced it. untill i try that, then ill always believe i can do it.
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I have the same attitude bro,but you have to be realistic.
Why not try 600 or 700?
Get the point? :)
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thank you for your response,
i tend to keep my bench routine this way
total 4 sets
1-warm ups- 15-18 reps
2-moderate-10-12 reps
3-heavy failure sets-6-8 reps
4-same as 3
i always train for hypertrophy and strength, i do increase my poundages gradually as my reps with the weight increases,i always tend to keep a 2 week cycle , meaning if the first week i do flat bench with barbell, the next week i substitute with flat dumbell bench , and it goes on like that,alternating workouts with other body parts too, as said in the previous posts how often should i try for 1-2 reps max?? lately i have been doing lower partials and avoiding lockouts at top?can i also follow explosive form ie bouncing the bar?
For the tris
should i be training them with chest?or do it separately just to bring out strength wouldnt it be taxing to do three pressing movoments in a week?
for delts
i have been doing hangclean presses to improve my arm strength, also for my delts.
Ive always seen better improvement in strength on lifts when i stick to that lift for a while so if i where you i would stick with DB or BB until you hit a plateu and then switch to the other and back when you get stuck again just my opinion. Ive never been able to train tris with chest or bi's with back but thats just me. I would shy away from bouncing the bar ive never heard of benifits from that but maybe others on here might have a different opinion. I think sooner or later it will only lead to injury or just ego lifting. I think once every 6 weeks or 2 months would be good for maxing out, that should give you enough time to make some progress.
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lmao
best thread ever in the training board!
;D ;D
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well t be honest i never lift heavy so i have no idea what 500 lbs feels like on anything except legs. but i dont think its a good attitude to have = " i could never lower that amount of weight" i wont admit defeat untill ive experienced it. untill i try that, then ill always believe i can do it.
so shoot for the moon. put 10 plates on each side and see what happens. and please, please record it. i sense potentially epic fail.
you know what, you're right. i think i'll put 1500 pounds on the squat bar and do 1/8 reps in the rack off the pins. then i'll follow it up by loading 2600 pounds on the leg press and getting some friends to help me do some forced reps. afterwards i'll hop on the incline and load it up with 585 for a negative. i'm sure i won't experience any joint issues whatsoever.
::)
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C`mon Zach,you`re sure to get hurt!! LOL :)
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you're just saying that because you're too scared to find out your limits! you'll see, when i go for my hang pull negative with 945 and my spinae erectors explode, you'll be all jealous! >:(
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Alright,I am a bit jealous,but only a bit!! :)
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hahahaha, "hang pull negative with 945", that would be something to see. ;D
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He could probably do it Dave..............no limits baby !! :)
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magoo if you want to put limits on yourself, go ahead.
you do your thing, ill do mine, see you at the finish line 8)
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magoo if you want to put limits on yourself, go ahead.
you do your thing, ill do mine, see you at the finish line 8)
no offense dude, but you're on gear and estimating your max bench at something i can do for five reps. so if you're going to start playing that game with me, you're not going to do well.
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no offense dude, but you're on gear and estimating your max bench at something i can do for five reps. so if you're going to start playing that game with me, you're not going to do well.
i dont "powerflift" i have no interest in it. if you have an everyday life where you are encountered with tasks that require insane strength, then cool, i understand your "powwerlifting". as for me, i live in the normal world where strength is totally unnecessary.
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i dont "powerflift" i have no interest in it. if you have an everyday life where you are encountered with tasks that require insane strength, then cool, i understand your "powwerlifting". as for me, i live in the normal world where strength is totally unnecessary.
so defend your steroid usage and the amount of lifting and dieting you do. tell me, where in "the normal world" is any of that necessary?
in "the normal world", strength has a far greater utility than "looking swole", but overall neither activity is incredibly useful unless you somehow have a job that necessitates 20 inch arms and a low bodyfat. are you an exotic dancer? male prostitute? underwear model?
keep in mind i'm not saying that to downplay lifting for looks. my point is that you're trying to tell me my style of exercise doesn't lead to real world application when chances are yours leads to even less. clearly both of us do what we do because we enjoy it.
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maybe i am a male stripper, how do you know? :)
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i don't, that's why i asked. if you're going to tell me that strength training has no "normal world" application, be prepared to defend your "bodybuilding".
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why would i, since you didnt defend the need for powerflifting ? strength comes with bodybuilding trainign too. i assure you anyone taking a bodybuilding routine seriously will be more than strong enought o handle ANY task life throws at them.
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Candy , do you even bench?
I saw a post you made where you were doing 25 sets of cable crossovers,lifting to diff areas to hit diff angles..
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why would i, since you didnt defend the need for powerflifting ? strength comes with bodybuilding trainign too. i assure you anyone taking a bodybuilding routine seriously will be more than strong enought o handle ANY task life throws at them.
i don't need to defend powerlifting because i'm not powerlifting for the utility. i lift because i love the feeling of hitting a PR on a lift. i love holding a heavy bar, i love the chalk cloud and the feel of pushing more weight than i ever have before. it's recreation for me. if i wanted to do what was "useful" i'd be on a 2000cal/day diet and doing cardio and bodyweight exercises. that's not my purpose, so whether or not i "need" to have the strength to deadlift 550 pounds is irrelevant to me.
you, on the other hand, brought up the idea of "utility", which tells me you believe what YOU do has a real world application while what i do doesn't. if this is the case, you'd better have some evidence that this is so, otherwise why bring it up?
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Candy , do you even bench?
I saw a post you made where you were doing 25 sets of cable crossovers,lifting to diff areas to hit diff angles..
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for usre. last chest workout was
flat bench
decline bench
machine press
machine flys (elbow pads)
cable crossovers form the top
cable crossovers from the bottom
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you believe what YOU do has a real world application while what i do doesn't.
well okay...i never really thought about it...but okay your right... bodybuilding does have more real application than powerlifting.
both make you strong.
however,. bodybuilding also makes you look good.
human beings have a major part of their psychology taken up with "sex drive" and related things.
bodybuilding helps with that, powerlifting most often times does not.
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mm, sorry, you fail again. you assume that all powerlifters are superheavyweights with 50" waistlines. as though any prospective sexual partners give a rat's ass about symmetry and proportion. they just know two guys have muscles. take a powerlifter and have him diet down to 10% bf and the average person cannot tell the difference between him and a "bodybuilder".
also, realize that for the whole 'sex' angle a dude with a good personality and abs will outperform some lunkhead with 20" arms. if you're exercising to get ass, apparently you've got something that you need to overcome, so you're trouble as it is.
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for usre. last chest workout was
flat bench
decline bench
machine press
machine flys (elbow pads)
cable crossovers form the top
cable crossovers from the bottom
Do you change this from work out to work out to keep the muscle guessing?
No incline work? A work out with flat bench,decline and machine press would give me major bottom hanging pecs ,whats your reasoning for doin flat bench,decline and machine press all in same work out?
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Do you change this from work out to work out to keep the muscle guessing?
No incline work? A work out with flat bench,decline and machine press would give me major bottom hanging pecs ,whats your reasoning for doin flat bench,decline and machine press all in same work out?
i just do what i feel like doing. the machine press gives me the deepest stretch and burn in the upper pecs, all across my collar bone, real deep. i love the machine press. the decline bench also hits my upper pecs way better than the incline press ever does. i lower the bar down between my nipples and collar bone on the decline.