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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: vic86 on January 04, 2009, 07:52:55 AM
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i really beleive it takes a long time to build strength , but some things like joint, limbs , bones,musclebelly you are born with.i have read somewhere andy bolton deadlifted 600 pounds for the first time.pros like jhonnie jackson are strong but not big compared to Jay cutler.
so everybodys different right?how far its true? :)
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genetic for the most part that is you cant get a bookworm to the gym and then expect him to eventually outlift a strong natural born beast, still the bookworm would get stronger over time but you wont see him participating in any world strongest man contests
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Agree - genetics.
I got stronger, but im still pretty weak compared to many others.
On the upside you increase mass while not destroying your joints so quickly...
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you wont see bill gates benching 300lbs, but on the other hand anthony robbins a guy who talks all the time benches 300lbs easy he saids.
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Genetic for the most part I'd say - depends on how well your tendons, ligaments and joints respond to heavy lifting, pain thresholds, recovery, etc.
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yup
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its not genetics its psychology.
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Yes, strength (and muscle mass growth) is genetic. Some races (and sub races) have an advantage in this regard. But anyone can improve their natural strength potential with well planned training. If approaching every workout with Serious Intent, rather than going through the motions, minor miracles can be produce for a lot of people when lifting. The mind set also can play a major role regardless if you are born with great strength potential or not. Good Luck.
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i think so.. look at pacific islanders :-\
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Hell yes, my Samoan buddy didn't lift a weight for 6 months. We went and lifted and he did a 5 plate squat and a 4 plate bench. They asked him to leave the gym, lol.
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Hell yes, my Samoan buddy didn't lift a weight for 6 months. We went and lifted and he did a 5 plate squat and a 4 plate bench. They asked him to leave the gym, lol.
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hahahah Hope you dont workout at planet fitness :-X
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I love all those Samoan stories. And that's just the grade school kids lifting. Good Luck..
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Yes, strength (and muscle mass growth) is genetic. Some races (and sub races) have an advantage in this regard. But anyone can improve their natural strength potential with well planned training. If approaching every workout with Serious Intent, rather than going through the motions, minor miracles can be produce for a lot of people when lifting. The mind set also can play a major role regardless if you are born with great strength potential or not. Good Luck.
right, thanks Jpm
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Yes, strength (and muscle mass growth) is genetic. Some races (and sub races) have an advantage in this regard. But anyone can improve their natural strength potential with well planned training. If approaching every workout with Serious Intent, rather than going through the motions, minor miracles can be produce for a lot of people when lifting. The mind set also can play a major role regardless if you are born with great strength potential or not. Good Luck.
definetely genetic....
some guys dont like to hear that... :-\
if it wasnt genetic everybody would be strong
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EVERYTHING is genetics. if you don't have the genes to bench 500 pounds, you won't.
that said, people often attribute things to "poor genetics" that could really be solved otherwise. sure, not everyone will deadlift 600 their first attempt, but i'd hazard a guess that given enough time and work most people should be able to come close to that. you always see some guy who weighs 180 pounds with a soft belly saying he has "shitty genetics" only to find out he drinks four days a week and spends more on porno mags than protein powder.
i do NOT have good genetics. my first squat workout i did 95 pounds for a set of 20 and nearly died. it took almost a year before i could even DEADLIFT 225 (i distinctly remember being at the gym with a buddy and using straps to deadlift two plates a side on the short 25 pound bar and feeling like a badass). i started lifting when i was 17 and four years later i was proud of myself for doing a damn board press with 275.
now, two years after that, i can hit 350 with a pause on the bench, pull 520, squat four plates for reps, weighing LESS than i did when i got that shitty 275 board press. my genetics didn't change, i just got my head on straight, ate better, and stopped training like an idiot. that's the key. i could have easily stayed in my rut and figured i'd never be able to get any better, but i didn't and actually started improving.
genetics ARE the big things, but people have a WAY skewed impression of where their genetics will stop them.
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I love all those Samoan stories. And that's just the grade school kids lifting. Good Luck..
Haha seriously. The only way I could smoke him is with circuit training or running, other than that I was Franco to his Arnold...so to speak.
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how much itīs genetic i didnīt care about.....because itīs hard enough to train/eat and sleep and keep the motivation high all the time ....so thatīs the things iīm thinking & talking about.....
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its not genetics its psychology.
ok I'll bite on this...
care to explain ?
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Yes, strength is definitely genetic. If it wasn't I'd be pulling 500lbs by now. I started training at 120lbs, 5 years ago, 170lbs now, and I doubt I could hit a 300lbs squat for a couple of reps. My general frame is just too small naturally to be lifting any big numbers. I reckon my wrists would snap if I tried a 300lb bench!
Doesn't bother me too much though, I compare myself to myself, not to other people. If I'm constantly getting stronger, the comparison to others doesn't really matter.
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ok I'll bite on this...
care to explain ?
iots about beign able to use your full strength.
im sure you have heard about how people ca be super huma stron when they are in intense situations. like a mom who is trying to save her child from death. or something like that. these kinds of things happen, and people all the sudden become able to lift things and move things that seemed impossible for them to lift. that is because most of the time people arent using their "fullstrength"
strength is mainly psychology, because people vary in their ability to tap into this "super strength" postential that all people have. im betteing that the world s strongest men are the ones who have the best psychological ability to zone out and 'zone in' andf tap into this super human strength normally only seen in life/death type situations.
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iots about beign able to use your full strength.
im sure you have heard about how people ca be super huma stron when they are in intense situations. like a mom who is trying to save her child from death. or something like that. these kinds of things happen, and people all the sudden become able to lift things and move things that seemed impossible for them to lift. that is because most of the time people arent using their "fullstrength"
strength is mainly psychology, because people vary in their ability to tap into this "super strength" postential that all people have. im betteing that the world s strongest men are the ones who have the best psychological ability to zone out and 'zone in' andf tap into this super human strength normally only seen in life/death type situations.
that's a decent answer ...
it's just a shame it had to come from a phag..
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iots about beign able to use your full strength.
im sure you have heard about how people ca be super huma stron when they are in intense situations. like a mom who is trying to save her child from death. or something like that. these kinds of things happen, and people all the sudden become able to lift things and move things that seemed impossible for them to lift. that is because most of the time people arent using their "fullstrength"
strength is mainly psychology, because people vary in their ability to tap into this "super strength" postential that all people have. im betteing that the world s strongest men are the ones who have the best psychological ability to zone out and 'zone in' andf tap into this super human strength normally only seen in life/death type situations.
posts like this is why tbombz is the f*ckn man!
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posts like this is why tbombz is the f*ckn man!
UNDER CANDIZZLE HE WAS JUST AS SMART..... ::)
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its not genetics its psychology.
ahahahahahahahaha
and its genetics,
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strength has a lot to do with strength of joints and sinews...
which again is genetic....
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing - especially when it comes to genetics.
Can you do a 500lb bench?
Can you build a 20inch arm?
If you can, then you've obvisouly got the genetics for it. But you'll never know until you've done it....
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I'll go with 75 % genetics and 25 % mental and call it a day !
;)
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posts like this is why tbombz is the f*ckn man!
thanks ;D
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EVERYTHING is genetics. if you don't have the genes to bench 500 pounds, you won't.[/b]that said, people often attribute things to "poor genetics" that could really be solved otherwise. sure, not everyone will deadlift 600 their first attempt, but i'd hazard a guess that given enough time and work most people should be able to come close to that. you always see some guy who weighs 180 pounds with a soft belly saying he has "shitty genetics" only to find out he drinks four days a week and spends more on porno mags than protein powder.
i do NOT have good genetics. my first squat workout i did 95 pounds for a set of 20 and nearly died. it took almost a year before i could even DEADLIFT 225 (i distinctly remember being at the gym with a buddy and using straps to deadlift two plates a side on the short 25 pound bar and feeling like a badass). i started lifting when i was 17 and four years later i was proud of myself for doing a damn board press with 275.
now, two years after that, i can hit 350 with a pause on the bench, pull 520, squat four plates for reps, weighing LESS than i did when i got that shitty 275 board press. my genetics didn't change, i just got my head on straight, ate better, and stopped training like an idiot. that's the key. i could have easily stayed in my rut and figured i'd never be able to get any better, but i didn't and actually started improving.
genetics ARE the big things, but people have a WAY skewed impression of where their genetics will stop them.
Good Post Magoogle.
First sentence quoted for absolute truth.
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Good Post Magoogle.
First sentence quoted for absolute truth.
exactly....
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i do admit that it's impossible to know where your genetic limits are, but... they exist, and that's all there is to it. some guys are gonna be benching 3 plates for reps within a year or so of stepping into the gym and have 18" arms without doing much arm work. some guys are gonna be scraping for every quarter inch of size and every five pounds on the bar. sad but true.
the mental aspect will help you maximize your potential, but it ain't gonna overcome your DNA. the key is to never use genetics as an EXCUSE. just bust your ass to always improve. the odds of any of us hitting our genetic limit is pretty slim. you might not be able to get 22" arms or a nine-plate deadlift, but chances are much better that you could add a half inch or a plate per side if you worked at it.
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exactly....
i prefer not to know what my limit is..
in my mind i have no limit i just keep going....
the fun part is to break new ground... in size and muscle shape but most importantly STRENGTH
and doing so naturally is the challenge
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posts like this is why tbombz is the f*ckn man!
Umm no , its not comparing apples with apples..
Yes your mind is always a limiting factor but if this was the case and all it took was mind control then we would all be benching 1000s of pounds etc..
The strong men in the world would all be moving 10000000 of pounds..you see its just not the case..having control over your mind is a vary valuable tool but will not make you go past your genetic limitations , most of us never really even reach that limit..
The mother who saves her baby has nothing to do with "strengh training" but adreniline..a sudden rush of A and add the fight or flight syndrome can turn anyone into a superman..it has nothing to do with mind control or strengh training.
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The mother who saves her baby has nothing to do with "strengh training" but adreniline..a sudden rush of A and add the fight or flight syndrome can turn anyone into a superman..it has nothing to do with mind control or strengh training.
not to mention those stories are heavily exaggerated. the supposed analogy is that a mother saving her child can lift a car but ah... no. that doesn't actually happen. sure she might be stronger than she would be normally, but it's not like if i put you in a situation like that you'll suddenly be able to tip over a Greyhound bus. people take this "power of the mental" thing to retarded limits.
it's like you and meso said, it's not about thinking that your brain can overcome all limitations, it's having the positive attitude that you can always improve because chances are you can.
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not to mention those stories are heavily exaggerated. the supposed analogy is that a mother saving her child can lift a car but ah... no. that doesn't actually happen. sure she might be stronger than she would be normally, but it's not like if i put you in a situation like that you'll suddenly be able to tip over a Greyhound bus. people take this "power of the mental" thing to retarded limits.
it's like you and meso said, it's not about thinking that your brain can overcome all limitations, it's having the positive attitude that you can always improve because chances are you can.
um, yes, actually, peieople have done similar feats of strength in these kinds of situations.
your underestimating the power of the mind.
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not to mention those stories are heavily exaggerated. the supposed analogy is that a mother saving her child can lift a car but ah... no. that doesn't actually happen. sure she might be stronger than she would be normally, but it's not like if i put you in a situation like that you'll suddenly be able to tip over a Greyhound bus. people take this "power of the mental" thing to retarded limits.
it's like you and meso said, it's not about thinking that your brain can overcome all limitations, it's having the positive attitude that you can always improve because chances are you can.
agreed again.
I wish i could vlountarily put myself in the state of mind that i can lift a car every time i workout ::)
Maybe I should take some method acting classes