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Title: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2009, 12:08:03 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/1095/story/1517633.html

Leon Panetta is being tapped for CIA by Obama

Change . . . . .for the worse!
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/1095/story/1517633.html

Leon Panetta is being tapped for CIA by Obama

Change . . . . .for the worse!

Why?
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2009, 12:11:33 PM
Why?

He has zero experience in intelligence matters as the articles states. 

What a joke.  More Clinton lackeys and retreads.

We would be better off with Hillary at the helm since at least she has a relationship with all these people. 
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2009, 12:14:56 PM
He laid an egg with this one.  This guy has zero experience. 
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 12:19:30 PM
He has zero experience in intelligence matters as the articles states. 
these people. 

Um, he's actually OVER-qualified for this job.
Just as Clinton if OVER-qualified for sec state position.  

He was White house chief of staff.  That is a lot more info and real experience than a guy who manages intra-agency relationships.

And really, if you want to make change, you can go about it 1 of 2 ways.  Hire people who DO NOT know the job - let them learn on the job - then have them change it.  Or you can hire people who already know the job - and then order them to change it.

obammers has made it very clear that everyone on his staff will be doing what he tells them to do.  Really, if YOUR were running shit, you'd get the best results by hiring ppl that know the job inside about out (and will avoid any major snafus in such a dangerous time) and then kick them in the pants and order them to change things.  You can't change anything, until you understand how it works.


Then again, some will criticize obama no matter what.  If he brought in 30 newbies to run his white house, you'd be bitching that he has no experience, and neither does his staff.  Remember, for 2 years, all we heard about was how inexperienced he was (until palin arrived and that argument stopped lol)

I'll agree with you, if in 2 years, it's Clinton II in the white house.
You can't shit on him now, for hiring experienced people.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
How about someone who actually knows about intelligence issues or has dealt with these matters within the past 15 years?

I guess Richardsons' corruption issues make him perfect for the job as well since he knows the system inside and out right????
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
This guy has zero experience. 

16 years in Congress.
Ran the White House for Clinton.
Captain in the Army.
Very experienced in budget/committee, which is what director does.


Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
How about someone who actually knows about intelligence issues or has dealt with these matters within the past 15 years?

I guess Richardsons' corruption issues make him perfect for the job as well since he knows the system inside and out right????

Right.  From the article:  "Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world." 

I guess he'll get on-the-job training.  Just what we need in this climate.   ::)
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2009, 12:34:27 PM
Right.  From the article:  "Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world." 

I guess he'll get on-the-job training.  Just what we need in this climate.   ::)

These Obama voters are in denial that they got duped into thinking that there would be any real change in anything.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
These Obama voters are in denial that they got duped into thinking that there would be any real change in anything.

They drank the Kool-Aid. 

I posted comments from him a while back where he admitted he really didn't offer anything new.  Just old liberal ideas with new packaging.  (Haven't been able to find it.) 
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
Right.  From the article:  "Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world." 

You trust the "Sac Bee" for your news?

Bwaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahhaah

They're still mad about the Obama/Warren pick.  Lib rags.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2009, 12:50:48 PM
As far as I know the CIA has just caused our country trouble repeatedly since it was created?
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2009, 12:51:03 PM
You trust the "Sac Bee" for your news?

Bwaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahhaah

They're still mad about the Obama/Warren pick.  Lib rags.

If you have information that contradicts the statement that "Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world," then by all means post it.  
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 01:40:08 PM
If you have information that contradicts the statement that "Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world," then by all means post it.  
yes yes by all means run to your far left blogs...

You trust the "Sac Bee" for your news?

Bwaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahhaah

They're still mad about the Obama/Warren pick.  Lib rags.
This coming from the man who spammed the board about stories of palin cheating, palins daughter being her grand daughter, her daughter being a gang banging lesbo...LOL rich man fuking rich  ::)

I think buyers remorse may be kicking in with the president elect.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Hedgehog on January 05, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
I'm intrigued by this pick.

I will give Obama the benefit of a doubt, because as RonPaulFan wrote, CIA has been the source of more than its fair share of problems.

And perhaps it is because of organisation culture.

Then bringing in an outsider but who's qualified in leading organisations could be a good call.

Then again, it could also mean that CIA will backfire and the organisation will become a mess.

Time will tell. Right now - very sceptical but I won't judge until I see the results.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
This is just hysterical:

1.  Rahm - embroiled in the Blago mess

2.  Richardson - pay for play corrupt politics  

3.  Holder - Marc Rich Pardon

4.  Leon Pannetta - ZERO intelligence experience

5.  Geitner - Hank Paluson the 2nd.  

6.  Gates - good pick

7.  Education - I dont know about this guy.    
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2009, 04:29:11 PM
I will continue to attempt to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but picking Leon Panetta to run the CIA is absolutely ludicrous. Since his left wing vetoed John Brennan for the crime of having served while W was President, even though he opposed most of the programs they hate, Obama has now picked someone they can't object to because he doesn't know a damn thing about intelligence. Panetta has no ties to any intel related activities beyond doing some accounting work on their budgets. He is absolutely unqualified to serve, but since he served as Clinton's Chief of Staff I guess Barry figures he will be able to sweep any unhelpful intel under the carpet.

The article has folks lauding his managerial skills. Well hey that's nice but this isn't an episode of "The Office" this is our national security. Panetta is a dependable Democrat hack and Obama has just showed he values that over our ability to know what is going on around the world. I would continue, but this is so fundamentally lame and sorry that it would be redundant. Leon Panetta? How long do you think Gates will last before he goes thump, thump, thump under the bus. This pick rates an F.



240 this guy has no experience...and please...a Captain in the Army????. Plus he was part of the Iraq study group who wanted to pack up in Iraq. Yeah he's ready. The current guy has done wonders over there.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 04:52:20 PM
240 this guy has no experience...and please...a Captain in the Army????. Plus he was part of the Iraq study group who wanted to pack up in Iraq. Yeah he's ready. The current guy has done wonders over there.

The ISG would only have allowed us to save face in iraq.

Now, we're being unceremounously kicked out of the place by their govt.  With no oil.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2009, 05:17:35 PM
I was a bit suprised by his lack in intel background and I haven't followed all of the story today but at this point I'm pretty much giving Obama the benefit of the doubt on almost everything.  He could blow off steam by clubbing baby seals on the front lawn of the White House and I'd give him a pass (he's got a tough job after-all).   We still have checks and balances and Panetta will have to get through confirmation hearings.   Panetta and I also went to the same college so he's obviously a smart guy.  
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
I was a bit suprised by his lack in intel background and I haven't followed all of the story today but at this point I'm pretty much giving Obama the benefit of the doubt on almost everything.  He could blow off steam by clubbing baby seals on the front lawn of the White House and I'd give him a pass (he's got a tough job after-all).   We still have checks and balances and Panetta will have to get through confirmation hearings.   Panetta and I also went to the same college so he's obviously a smart guy.  
at least your honest about it
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2009, 07:12:16 PM
at least your honest about it

I try to always be honest about everything - even when I'm not on an anonymous message board.

My first thought when I heard about Panetta this morning was that I couldn't recall him having an specific intel experience but then surely Obama is aware of that and must have some strong reasons why he think he is qualified.  The last thing Obama wants is for one of his nominees to be shot down by Dem heavy Senate.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 07:16:32 PM
I try to always be honest about everything - even when I'm not on an anonymous message board.

My first thought when I heard about Panetta this morning was that I couldn't recall him having an specific intel experience but then surely Obama is aware of that and must have some strong reasons why he think he is qualified.  The last thing Obama wants is for one of his nominees to be shot down by Dem heavy Senate.
I wish everybody would conduct themselves in such a way...you really think the dems would shoot down any of his appointees?
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
I wish everybody would conduct themselves in such a way...you really think the dems would shoot down any of his appointees?

quite honesty - the Dems have never had the cohesiveness of the Repugs (for better or worse).  I don't think they'll shoot down anyone unless he has serious flaws or some skeleton pops out but you can never tell with them.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 07:27:50 PM
obama hasn't fvcked things up at all yet.

the biggest beef repubs have? LMAO...

1) Obama has an anti-gay republican speaking at inauguration.
2) Obama decided against one of his cabinet memebrs (richardson) cause richardson didn't disclose fully on his resume.

Wow, so he puts up a guy repubs love, and then he bounces someone who lied about his resume.  Wow, what a bum, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 07:41:25 PM
obama hasn't fvcked things up at all yet.

the biggest beef repubs have? LMAO...

1) Obama has an anti-gay republican speaking at inauguration.
2) Obama decided against one of his cabinet memebrs (richardson) cause richardson didn't disclose fully on his resume.

Wow, so he puts up a guy repubs love, and then he bounces someone who lied about his resume.  Wow, what a bum, huh?  ;)
then theres that whole lack of any credible experience thing, but yea your right thats nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
quite honesty - the Dems have never had the cohesiveness of the Repugs (for better or worse).  I don't think they'll shoot down anyone unless he has serious flaws or some skeleton pops out but you can never tell with them.
true i think that the with us or against us mentality hurts the republicans at times as well...i think anybody who goes against obama will be slayed by the media and public opinion in all honesty but i really dont see ppl going against him on anything of significance.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2009, 07:48:02 PM
then theres that whole lack of any credible experience thing, but yea your right thats nothing to worry about.

Obama has no credible experience?

He is a fvcking US Senator.

He is on the foreign relations committee.

For the last 4 years, he's been traveling the world, meeting leaders, and being briefed on everything foreign, every day.


He's a US senator, for pete's sake.   he's not governor of some incest/metho staet for 18 months, nor mayor of a crooked town.  He's a senator!
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2009, 08:11:42 PM
Obama has no credible experience?

He is a fvcking US Senator.

He is on the foreign relations committee.

For the last 4 years, he's been traveling the world, meeting leaders, and being briefed on everything foreign, every day.


He's a US senator, for pete's sake.   he's not governor of some incest/metho staet for 18 months, nor mayor of a crooked town.  He's a senator!
LOL well its to bad for you he wasnt running against palin isnt it or your arguement might have some traction. I guess his breifings lead to his ignorant assinine strategy to get out of iraq that he had to revise. LOL at least straw is honest about his feeling towards obama.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Hedgehog on January 06, 2009, 04:28:28 AM
I will continue to attempt to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but picking Leon Panetta to run the CIA is absolutely ludicrous. Since his left wing vetoed John Brennan for the crime of having served while W was President, even though he opposed most of the programs they hate, Obama has now picked someone they can't object to because he doesn't know a damn thing about intelligence. Panetta has no ties to any intel related activities beyond doing some accounting work on their budgets. He is absolutely unqualified to serve, but since he served as Clinton's Chief of Staff I guess Barry figures he will be able to sweep any unhelpful intel under the carpet.

The article has folks lauding his managerial skills. Well hey that's nice but this isn't an episode of "The Office" this is our national security. Panetta is a dependable Democrat hack and Obama has just showed he values that over our ability to know what is going on around the world. I would continue, but this is so fundamentally lame and sorry that it would be redundant. Leon Panetta? How long do you think Gates will last before he goes thump, thump, thump under the bus. This pick rates an F.



240 this guy has no experience...and please...a Captain in the Army????. Plus he was part of the Iraq study group who wanted to pack up in Iraq. Yeah he's ready. The current guy has done wonders over there.


LOL @The Office. ;D

Either Obama must have some kind of genius plan with Panetta that we all fail to understand, or Panetta will be a failure because of his lack of intelligence background.

The Panetta pick just doesn't really make sense, it stands out. So perhaps there is some kind of plan to make it work.

I don't know, I guess we'll find out soon enough. :-\
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2009, 04:36:22 AM
I wish everybody would conduct themselves in such a way...you really think the dems would shoot down any of his appointees?

Feinstein a;ready said she might not approve of him for the spot.  He is DOA.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2009, 06:24:48 AM
Feinstein a;ready said she might not approve of him for the spot.  He is DOA.


how does one senator saying she might not approve = DOA?

I've heard that she is just chapped because no one "consulted" her about Panetta and it seems like his name leaked out before all the Obama admin had time to stroke all the fragile egos in the Senate
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: headhuntersix on January 06, 2009, 07:06:17 AM
The ISG would only have allowed us to save face in iraq.

Now, we're being unceremounously kicked out of the place by their govt.  With no oil.

Ur kidding right?
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: headhuntersix on January 06, 2009, 07:07:26 AM
LOL @The Office. ;D

Either Obama must have some kind of genius plan with Panetta that we all fail to understand, or Panetta will be a failure because of his lack of intelligence background.

The Panetta pick just doesn't really make sense, it stands out. So perhaps there is some kind of plan to make it work.

I don't know, I guess we'll find out soon enough. :-\


He does not want to have to worry about CIA so he sticks in a yes man.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 06, 2009, 07:35:37 AM
Many are questioning the Panetta pick.  Apparently there were several other guys with a strong intelligence backround that were passed over.
I don't agree that he is overqualified 240.  Its a completely different position requiring different knowledge and experience.
Seems like a poor pick to me, unlike some of the others Obama has made.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2009, 07:38:02 AM

how does one senator saying she might not approve = DOA?

I've heard that she is just chapped because no one "consulted" her about Panetta and it seems like his name leaked out before all the Obama admin had time to stroke all the fragile egos in the Senate

How old are you????????????

Feinstein saying this means that she is giving cover to both Dems and the GOP to deep six this horrendous choice.

Face it - Obama is not the agent of "change" you were promised.

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: headhuntersix on January 06, 2009, 07:40:55 AM
He's out of his depth hence no comment on Israel and Gaza, he has no idea. He's said plenty about the economy because its easy to spend our tax dollars on his domestic crusade.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
He's out of his depth hence no comment on Israel and Gaza, he has no idea. He's said plenty about the economy because its easy to spend our tax dollars on his domestic crusade.

And when we get another terrorist attack in a few years, Feinstein knows that Obama picking or having Panetta as head of CIA will greatly harm the Dems.

What is next?  Sandy Berger for head of the National Archives????

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
How old are you????????????

Feinstein saying this means that she is giving cover to both Dems and the GOP to deep six this horrendous choice.

Face it - Obama is not the agent of "change" you were promised.



what does my age have to do with you talking out of your ass.

Apparently Feinstein is miffed that wasn't given a courtesy nod or informed about Panetta.

He hasn't even officially been named the pick and there is unwritten procedure of getting some input from top dogs which apparently hadn't been done at the time Panetta's name was leaked yesterday.

The guy actually has a pretty strong resume and he could conceivably do a fine job.   

Again - his name was just leaked yesterday and Feinstein is blowing off steam.   

Hardly DOA for Panetta - shit he's not even the official nominee yet so you might want to hold off on your death watch until at least that point.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2009, 08:45:25 AM
what does my age have to do with you talking out of your ass.

Apparently Feinstein is miffed that wasn't given a courtesy nod or informed about Panetta.

He hasn't even officially been named the pick and there is unwritten procedure of getting some input from top dogs which apparently hadn't been done at the time Panetta's name was leaked yesterday.

The guy actually has a pretty strong resume and he could conceivably do a fine job.   

Again - his name was just leaked yesterday and Feinstein is blowing off steam.   

Hardly DOA for Panetta - shit he's not even the official nominee yet so you might want to hold off on your death watch until at least that point.

Your age is relevent as you seem to think like a naive college student with no real experience as to how these things go down.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
Your age is relevent as you seem to think like a naive college student with no real experience as to how these things go down.

lol - well everyone is entitled to their opinion.

it just seems a bit premature to key off one comment by one senator about a person who's yet to be officially announced and proclaim the yet to be announced person as DOA.

time will tell who is being naive

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2009, 09:04:24 AM
lol - well everyone is entitled to their opinion.

it just seems a bit premature to key off one comment by one senator about a person who's yet to be officially announced and proclaim the yet to be announced person as DOA.

time will tell who is being naive



Just like Richardson bowed out , watch, Panetta will have some family matter or something else to tend to.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 06, 2009, 09:14:48 AM
Just like Richardson bowed out , watch, Panetta will have some family matter or something else to tend to.

want to wager on it? :)
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2009, 09:33:56 AM
doesn't he have to be the official nominee before he can officially bow out?

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
Your age is relevent as you seem to think like a naive college student with no real experience as to how these things go down.

Feinstein is now on board for Panetta.  This took even less time that I thought it would.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/07/feinstein.panetta.cia/index.html

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on January 07, 2009, 05:47:55 PM
But 333386 said:
"Feinstein a;ready said she might not approve of him for the spot.  He is DOA."

I don't know if I should believe CNN, or 333386 here.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
But 333386 said:
"Feinstein a;ready said she might not approve of him for the spot.  He is DOA."

I don't know if I should believe CNN, or 333386 here.

maybe CNN is run by naive college students who have no real experience about how these things go down
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
But 333386 said:
"Feinstein a;ready said she might not approve of him for the spot.  He is DOA."

I don't know if I should believe CNN, or 333386 here.

She just needed a little confirmation from Obama that her husbands' deals with the Chicoms will go through without a problem.
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Straw Man on February 11, 2009, 06:04:06 PM
Your age is relevent as you seem to think like a naive college student with no real experience as to how these things go down.

The Senate Intelligence Committee voted unanimously Wednesday to send the nomination of Leon Panetta as CIA director to the full Senate for confirmation.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/11/panetta.confirmation/
Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: 240 is Back on February 11, 2009, 09:13:56 PM
Just like Richardson bowed out , watch, Panetta will have some family matter or something else to tend to.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Senate Intelligence Committee voted unanimously Wednesday to send the nomination of Leon Panetta as CIA Director to the full Senate for confirmation.

Title: Re: Leon Panetta to head CIA - CHANGE ANYBODY??????
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 12, 2009, 06:14:58 AM
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Senate Intelligence Committee voted unanimously Wednesday to send the nomination of Leon Panetta as CIA Director to the full Senate for confirmation.



Maybe even I am wrong at how corrupt and disgusting the Democrats are in the Senate and the House.

Charlie Rangle just got away with robbery himself.

So, this should not be suprrisng that they are passing through another no experience multimillioniare lobbyist. .