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Why 3 threads..because we're at war and its that friggen important.
Ralph Peters.....NY Post
WOULD you ask your accountant to perform brain surgery on your child? That's the closest analogy I can find to the choice of Democratic Party hack Leon Panetta to head the CIA.
Earth to President-elect Obama: Intelligence is serious. And infernally complicated. When we politicize it - as we have for 16 years - we get 9/11. Or, yes, Iraq.
The extreme left, to which Panetta's nomination panders, howled that Bush and Cheney corrupted the intelligence system. Well, I worked in the intel world in the mid 1990s and saw how the Clinton team undermined the system's integrity.
Al Qaeda a serious threat? The Clinton White House didn't want to hear it. Clinton was the pioneer in corrupting intelligence. Bush was just a follow-on homesteader.
Now we've fallen so low that left-wing cadres can applaud the nomination of a CIA chief whose sole qualification is that he's a party loyalist, untainted by experience.
The director's job at the CIA isn't a party favor. This is potentially a matter of life and death for thousands of Americans. But the choice of Panetta tells us all that Barack Obama doesn't take intelligence seriously.
Mark my words: It'll bite him in the butt.
After the military, the intel community is the most complex arm of government. You can't do on-the-job training at the top. While a CIA boss needn't be a career intelligence professional, he or she does need a deep familiarity with the purposes, capabilities, limitations and intricacies of intelligence.
Oh, and you'd better understand the intelligence bureaucracy.
Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.), who was blindsided - and appalled - by the Obama mafia's choice, has the essential knowledge of how the system works. She, or a similar expert, should have gotten this nod. But the president-elect wanted a clean-slate yes-man, not a person of knowledge and integrity.
We're witnessing the initial costs of Obama's career-long lack of interest in foreign policy, the military and intelligence. He doesn't think the top job at the CIA's important and just wants political cover on that flank. (Guess we got Panetta because Caroline Kennedy has another engagement.)
Forget a "team of rivals." Obama's creating a campaign staff for 2012.
Of course, he's reeling from the shrill rage of the Moveon.org crowd over his nomination of grown-ups to be his national-security adviser, director of national intelligence, administrator of veterans' affairs and, yes, secretary of state. (By the way, how could Hillary be dumb enough to accept a job where success is impossible?)
Panetta's appointment is a sop to the hard left, a signal that intelligence will be emasculated for the next four - or eight - years.
Think morale's been bad at the CIA? Just wait.
Conservatives played into this scenario by insisting that any CIA analysis that didn't match the Bush administration's positions perfectly amounted to an attack on the White House. Well, sorry. The intelligence community's job isn't to make anybody feel good - its core mission is to provide nonpartisan analysis to our leaders.
To be a qualified D-CIA, a man or woman needs a sophisticated grasp of three things: The intel system, foreign-policy challenges and the Pentagon (which owns most of our intelligence personnel and hardware). Panetta has no background - none - in any of these areas. He was never interested.
If you handed Leon Panetta a blank map of Asia, I'd bet my life he couldn't plot Baghdad, Kabul or Beijing within 500 miles of their actual locations. (Maybe he can see China from his California think tank?)
This shameless hack appointment is the first action by the incoming administration that seriously worries me. Get intelligence wrong and you get dead Americans.
Ralph Peters was a career intelligence officer in the US Army.
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(Maybe he can see China from his California think tank?)
So in an effort to convince the reader that this Dem is stupid, they used a play on the a phrase that is attributed to their parties VP candidate.
Nice. That's like saying he is almost as dumb as a Repub. (But I don't think he has fallen that far yet.)
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if he hires someone from the CIA (where the top guys were all pro-torture) you start the admin with the stain of waterboarding on your shirt.
If he hires someone from outside - an experienced manager (he did run the white house lol), you complain about that too.
The folks in the CIA know how to do their job. They now have a CEO who didn't toe the company line with cheney on waterboarding.
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I guess u miss the point. Palin is gone...forget her. Obama will be president. U guys need to forget Bush, forget Palin and the rest and worry about what ur guy is doing or not doing. He's made some great picks...this one sucks and is both telling and worrisome.
240 many CIA are saying they will retire when Obama gets in. Great!!! Panetta has said he plans to reverse course on all major CIA policies...he gave an interview on it. In 8 years we have not been attacked. It would appear that when CIA is allowed to play by big boy rules they get the job done. Harsh language and PC bullshit will get ur family killed. Waterboarding and torture will at the very least ensure that the prick being tortured is miserable...we might even get something worthwhile. Besides why do u care if we waterboard some asshole.
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I guess u miss the point. Palin is gone...forget her. Obama will be president. U guys need to forget Bush, forget Palin and the rest and worry about what ur guy is doing or not doing. He's made some great picks...this one sucks and is both telling and worrisome.
240 many CIA are saying they will retire when Obama gets in. Great!!! Panetta has said he plans to reverse course on all major CIA policies...he gave an interview on it. In 8 years we have not been attacked. It would appear that when CIA is allowed to play by big boy rules they get the job done. Harsh language and PC bullshit will get ur family killed. Waterboarding and torture will at the very least ensure that the prick being tortured is miserable...we might even get something worthwhile. Besides why do u care if we waterboard some asshole.
They act like they care. In reality, they couldn't give two shits. This "playing the nice guy" while every other country in the world tortures is what turns people into pussies and leads to people getting killed.
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240 many CIA are saying they will retire when Obama gets in. Great!!! Panetta has said he plans to reverse course on all major CIA policies...he gave an interview on it. In 8 years we have not been attacked. It would appear that when CIA is allowed to play by big boy rules they get the job done. Harsh language and PC bullshit will get ur family killed. Waterboarding and torture will at the very least ensure that the prick being tortured is miserable...we might even get something worthwhile. Besides why do u care if we waterboard some asshole.
These folks are resigning because they don't want to be prosecuted or civlilly liable for the people they tortured. Period.
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These folks are resigning because they don't want to be prosecuted or civlilly liable for the people they tortured. Period.
Who do you want at the CIA
Jack Bauer
or
Jack Benny
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Who do you want at the CIA
Jack Bauer
or
Jack Benny
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Right. I forgot there isn't a middle. You either waterboard & carpetbomb millions, or you bend over to be sodomized by bad guys. Nothing in the middle!
Bauer goes up on trial on 24 this sunday, 8 pm on FOX. I can't wait for this season. Love that show.
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Right. I forgot there isn't a middle.
Bauer goes up on trial on 24 this sunday, 8 pm on FOX. I can't wait for this season. Love that show.
You and I both know that secretely everyone wants Jack Bauer at the CIA.
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Just seems like this is a bad pick by Obama, unlike some of the others. Insiders have said this is a major blow to the effectiveness and influence of the CIA. A leader must be respected, will the existing CIA leaders see Panetta as a superior? The best candidate for the position? Or someone placed there by Obama to make sure they follow the president's mission change for the CIA.
I vote for Bauer by the way. Excited about the new season.
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You and I both know that secretely everyone wants Jack Bauer at the CIA.
Depends. Are there 10,000 Jack Bauers walking around the USA looking to shock and kneecap anyone their hunch points at?
It's all hunky dory until Obama and Biden decide it's cool to use the power on you. Coach thinks "I have nothing to hide, it's cool". I guess he won't mind the Obama-Cam on his hard-drive and in his living room, then?
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Yes, 240, there can be a middle road, but it doesn't appear that defines this particular pick.
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Yes, 240, there can be a middle road, but it doesn't appear that defines this particular pick.
An anti-toruture guy in a building full of pro-torture guys?
No, it doesn't seem to be middle at all.
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An anti-toruture guy in a building full of pro-torture guys?
No, it doesn't seem to be middle at all.
Seriious;y, if your mother were kidnapped . . . . would you be against waterboarding if you knew that the person had info that could get her back?????
I myself would do whatever WTF it took.
And the same standards I place towards my family is what I place to the USA.
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Depends. Are there 10,000 Jack Bauers walking around the USA looking to shock and kneecap anyone their hunch points at?
It's all hunky dory until Obama and Biden decide it's cool to use the power on you. Coach thinks "I have nothing to hide, it's cool". I guess he won't mind the Obama-Cam on his hard-drive and in his living room, then?
its also all hunky dory until the person that waterboarding could save is you and then you would still be against it?
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You also have 2 people who were far more qualified and wanted the position. Wonder how the CIA is looking at this pick...probably not hard to guess.
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You also have 2 people who were far more qualified and wanted the position. Wonder how the CIA is looking at this pick...probably not hard to guess.
Panetta is a disaster.
Jack Bauer for CIA Director!
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Right. I forgot there isn't a middle. You either waterboard & carpetbomb millions, or you bend over to be sodomized by bad guys. Nothing in the middle!
Bauer goes up on trial on 24 this sunday, 8 pm on FOX. I can't wait for this season. Love that show.
Dude.....I love u man but when did u become such a pussy...dammit. The folks we're talking about are like nothing u'd ever met. They aren't some big fuzzy teddybear types or some hollywood terrorists with famlies. These guys all suck, they'd knife u and eat ur kids. If waterboarding is the worst they get then good enough. The CIA does some very shady shit beyond waterboarding, thats in the best interest of this country. We can't have some guy that will cave to the left wing blogisphere or Code Pink. Things are a million times more dangerous as when the Clintons last had any power. If u start trying to through intel agenst into jail, either we'll suffer a major attack down the road from lack of information or the folks in charge will end up getting shot. Ur a CT guy, look what happend to Kennedy when he tried to mess with CIA and the MIC. I'm not saying they would, but a pissed off ex-employee or employee's just might. There are tons of trained SOF dudes floating around who would pull the trigger on a senator or gov employee for the right price. If 911 can happen, an assasination isn't outside the realm of possibility, even here.
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Dude.....I love u man but when did u become such a pussy...dammit. The folks we're talking about are like nothing u'd ever met. They aren't some big fuzzy teddybear types or some hollywood terrorists with famlies. These guys all suck, they'd knife u and eat ur kids. If waterboarding is the worst they get then good enough. The CIA does some very shady shit beyond waterboarding, thats in the best interest of this country. We can't have some guy that will cave to the left wing blogisphere or Code Pink. Things are a million times more dangerous as when the Clintons last had any power. If u start trying to through intel agenst into jail, either we'll suffer a major attack down the road from lack of information or the folks in charge will end up getting shot. Ur a CT guy, look what happend to Kennedy when he tried to mess with CIA and the MIC. I'm not saying they would, but a pissed off ex-employee or employee's just might. There are tons of trained SOF dudes floating around who would pull the trigger on a senator or gov employee for the right price. If 911 can happen, an assasination isn't outside the realm of possibility, even here.
i agree that people like that deserve to have their nuts in a vise.
KSM, OBL, etc - I'd dice em up myself then share a ham sandwich with you without even washing my hands :)
My point is that it only takes a penstroke for this practice to go from being used on guys with scary beards in caves, to used on political enemies, etc. It was HUGE that torture is even A-okay with people in 2008. In 1998, that shit was unheard of. It took a lot of fear (hi, 911) to scare ppl into it.
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i agree that people like that deserve to have their nuts in a vise.
KSM, OBL, etc - I'd dice em up myself then share a ham sandwich with you without even washing my hands :)
My point is that it only takes a penstroke for this practice to go from being used on guys with scary beards in caves, to used on political enemies, etc. It was HUGE that torture is even A-okay with people in 2008. In 1998, that shit was unheard of. It took a lot of fear (hi, 911) to scare ppl into it.
I dont think its necissarily that something scared them into it, its more that 9/11 opened our eyes to certain truths about the world that we had either ignored or become complacent with.
it only takes a pen stroke to lock down an entire city block or send in the national guard to control a city as well...although i understand your point for someone who yells fear mongering everytime a new terrorist threat is brought up especially around the election you should be more skepticle, bad reasoning imho.
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it only takes a pen stroke to lock down an entire city block or send in the national guard to control a city as well...although i understand your point for someone who yells fear mongering everytime a new terrorist threat is brought up especially around the election you should be more skepticle, bad reasoning imho.
it's why so many ppl are pissed about traffic cameras on corners, or military stationed in US cities, or empty prisons sitting there "just in case".
it just takes any event - unexpected or just plain allowed to happen- to give the leaders the moxie to change things. Suddenly those traffic cameras can be used to monitor and give intel to the new UN forces on our streets. Suddenly anyone who has spoken out against the new guy in office can find himself in a camp 'temporarily'.
it just takes a stroke of the pen to change things. It's easy for Coach to say "I don't care about warrantless wiretaps, I have nothing to hide". But if VP Biden decides to lock up everyone in America who uses HRT or talks about steroids, etc, Joe could find himself being interrogated and held unlawfully while they get to the bottom of it.
A lot of the 'the sky is falling' people are just trying to prevent the pieces from falling into place, so some guy in the future can seriously fck things up.
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it's why so many ppl are pissed about traffic cameras on corners, or military stationed in US cities, or empty prisons sitting there "just in case".
it just takes any event - unexpected or just plain allowed to happen- to give the leaders the moxie to change things. Suddenly those traffic cameras can be used to monitor and give intel to the new UN forces on our streets. Suddenly anyone who has spoken out against the new guy in office can find himself in a camp 'temporarily'.
it just takes a stroke of the pen to change things. It's easy for Coach to say "I don't care about warrantless wiretaps, I have nothing to hide". But if VP Biden decides to lock up everyone in America who uses HRT or talks about steroids, etc, Joe could find himself being interrogated and held unlawfully while they get to the bottom of it.
A lot of the 'the sky is falling' people are just trying to prevent the pieces from falling into place, so some guy in the future can seriously fck things up.
I agree im more worried however about the very real fact that there are ppl out there willing and able to carry out harmful actions on our citizens and would rather deal with them in anyway possible including torture if it means we can stop them. Everything could be looked at as a piece falling into some puzzle if you think about it hard enough.
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Is the CIA still into these types of projects?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
"Feb. 11-15, 1956: A CIA-Army team sprayed New York streets and the Holland and Lincoln tunnels, using trick suitcases and a car with a dual muffler.
June 6-10, 1966: The army report of this test was called A Study of the Vulnerability of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert Attack with Biological Agents. Trillions of Bacillus subtilis variant guy were released into the subway system during rush hours.
One method was to use light bulbs filled with the bacteria; these were unobtrusively shattered at sidewalk level on subway ventilating grills or tossed onto the roadbeds inside the stations. Aerosol clouds were momentarily visible after a release of bacteria from the light bulbs.
The report noted that ‘When the cloud engulfed people, they brushed their clothing, looked up at the grating apron and walked on.’ The wind of passing trains spread the bacteria along the tracks; in the time it took for two trains to pass, the bacteria were spread from 15th Street to 58th Street.
It will never be known how many people later became ill from being unsuspecting guinea pigs, for the United States Army exhibited not the slightest interest in this question."
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Is the CIA still into these types of projects?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
this is alot like psychological there is a clear line between ethical and unethical research...however you get the best results from unethical research.
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Do you support unethical government research projects where citizens are used as lab rats?
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Dude.....I love u man but when did u become such a pussy...dammit. The folks we're talking about are like nothing u'd ever met. They aren't some big fuzzy teddybear types or some hollywood terrorists with famlies. These guys all suck, they'd knife u and eat ur kids. If waterboarding is the worst they get then good enough. The CIA does some very shady shit beyond waterboarding, thats in the best interest of this country. We can't have some guy that will cave to the left wing blogisphere or Code Pink. Things are a million times more dangerous as when the Clintons last had any power. If u start trying to through intel agenst into jail, either we'll suffer a major attack down the road from lack of information or the folks in charge will end up getting shot. Ur a CT guy, look what happend to Kennedy when he tried to mess with CIA and the MIC. I'm not saying they would, but a pissed off ex-employee or employee's just might. There are tons of trained SOF dudes floating around who would pull the trigger on a senator or gov employee for the right price. If 911 can happen, an assasination isn't outside the realm of possibility, even here.
when was the last time a US citizen was knifed by a terrorist on US soil? LMAO! More brainwashed rhetoric!!!!!! I'd love to see muslims or any foreign invader come to US soil and start attacking US citizens. They'd be shot dead in the streets and neighborhoods. They can knife each other and blow each other up in their own countries.....why the fuck should we care? Here's a question for you HH6......why hasn't there been ONE SINGLE FUCKING suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the US since 9/11 or hell I dont know in the last 200 years? OH wait let me guess the CIA and NSA are just that good. LMAO! You're a stooge.
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I respect HH6, and I agree that the Constitution means nothing without our military (when it functions like it's suppose to, and defends the Constitution.) I also agree 100% with MMM's last post.
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Do you support unethical government research projects where citizens are used as lab rats?
not at that was not my intentions only pointing out that unethical research yields the best results
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not at that was not my intentions only pointing out that unethical research yields the best results
Oh 8)
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yeah, the last 2 big attacks - 1993 WTC and 9/11 - were shady as shit.
The FBI snitch who got the FBI agent ON TAPE telling him where to park the truck, under the guise of a 'test'.
CBS and NY Times reported it.
And 911? come on, there are now thousands of military, physicists, etc who have come fwd and called BS on the days' events. Hell, even the 2 co-chairs (authors) of the 911 commission report say it needs re-investigated.
SO please, suck a big cawk before you take any credit for 'stopping' any big things, where there's a lot of fingers pointing at you for letting them happen. STFU, seriously. Only kids believe in fairy tales.
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i agree that people like that deserve to have their nuts in a vise.
KSM, OBL, etc - I'd dice em up myself then share a ham sandwich with you without even washing my hands :)
My point is that it only takes a penstroke for this practice to go from being used on guys with scary beards in caves, to used on political enemies, etc. It was HUGE that torture is even A-okay with people in 2008. In 1998, that shit was unheard of. It took a lot of fear (hi, 911) to scare ppl into it.
Clinton wasn't against rendition or torture and honestly who knows what the CIA was up to. There are organizations beyond CIA as u know...and there are small SOF organizations that nobody mentions as well. The CIA played all kinds of games until Carter reigned them in during the late 70's. He gutted many of the old cold warriors and the fear is now that Obama will do the same to the anti-terror folks.
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when was the last time a US citizen was knifed by a terrorist on US soil? LMAO! More brainwashed rhetoric!!!!!! I'd love to see muslims or any foreign invader come to US soil and start attacking US citizens. They'd be shot dead in the streets and neighborhoods. They can knife each other and blow each other up in their own countries.....why the fuck should we care? Here's a question for you HH6......why hasn't there been ONE SINGLE FUCKING suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the US since 9/11 or hell I dont know in the last 200 years? OH wait let me guess the CIA and NSA are just that good. LMAO! You're a stooge.
Well there, anri-terror and intell guru, there was a planned attack to take down the Brooklyn bridge. One of the guys we had was "tortured" and gave up the cell. The plan would have worked, thats one example of a foiled attack. Or how about the guys in Ohio that were going shoot up a mall. U can't debate any of this crap with facts. U get ur lib news from the net and have no experience with what ur talking about. Ur an idiot. Atleast 240 mixes facts with a well thought out opinion and can intelligently defend his points, whether I happen to agree or not.
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Well there, anri-terror and intell guru, there was a planned attack to take down the Brooklyn bridge. One of the guys we had was "tortured" and gave up the cell. The plan would have worked, thats one example of a foiled attack. Or how about the guys in Ohio that were going shoot up a mall. U can't debate any of this crap with facts. U get ur lib news from the net and have no experience with what ur talking about. Ur an idiot. Atleast 240 mixes facts with a well thought out opinion and can intelligently defend his points, whether I happen to agree or not.
You didn't answer my question. I'm not talking about big planned attacks. I'm talking about some radical muslim strapping some bombs to his chest and blowing himself up in a crowded mall. YOU KNOW HOW EASY THAT WOULD BE TO DO IN AMERICA????????????? Why hasn't it happened? I mean hell ANYONE in this country could go raging mad and gun down anyone they want. Why hasn't anything like that happened? Because our government continues to stoke the fear of the American people.
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Its because in a lot of areas in the USA, muslims dont fit in that well. Where I live they do, but not in middle america.
I am surprised nothing has happened and have always thought that something like in Sum of All Fears would occur next.
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Its because in a lot of areas in the USA, muslims dont fit in that well. Where I live they do, but not in middle america.
I am surprised nothing has happened and have always thought that something like in Sum of All Fears would occur next.
You're missing my point. There are probably MORE places where muslims can fit in than they can't. I.e. major metropolitan areas. My point is as a person living in America I could easily buy an automatic weapon, some materials to build a bomb and go to any mall or school and blow myself up and start a shooting rampage. It's pretty damn easy. Why hasn't it happened? I'm not talking some suitcase nuke some of all fears scenario. I'm talking some Virginia Techesque shooting? You know why? Because 9/11 has brainwashed most Americans into this terrorist phobia. 3/4 of all muslims living in America probably love their lives here in the USA. The other 1/4 of muslims that would do something like that is the risk of living in a free society. Because there are plenty of other crazy people in the USA that have done similiar things aka the LA bank robbers, school shooters etc. in the past few years. We are a society that lives in a constant state of fear...moreso than any other time in our country. And we are not any safer. Ever wonder why that alert level red, orange, yellow..........etc. went away? Hahah that was such a joke.
What some nutjob does in Mumbai or Gaza is none of our concern and until that shit starts happening here the war on terror is a scam.
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We want to avoid a Mumbai style attack, not have to respond to one after many people are killed.
My personal belief is that many muslims who come to this country get comfortable in their lives, working, consuming, living, etc and realize that terrorism is just stupid and not worth it.
They sort of get caught in the rat race like the rest of us and dont have time to worry about blowing themselves up.
That is the main problem in a lot of these arab countries. They dont promote business and economy and let these crazy people breed like the plague.
They always say, an idle mind always gets in trouble.
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We want to avoid a Mumbai style attack, not have to respond to one after many people are killed.
My personal belief is that many muslims who come to this country get comfortable in their lives, working, consuming, living, etc and realize that terrorism is just stupid and not worth it.
They sort of get caught in the rat race like the rest of us and dont have time to worry about blowing themselves up.
That is the main problem in a lot of these arab countries. They dont promote business and economy and let these crazy people breed like the plague.
They always say, an idle mind always gets in trouble.
::) Capitalism the answer to all the world's problems right? Terrorism and the plight of the middle east is WAY more complicated than "business and economics". The problems of terrorism and the middle east are far more complicated than simple economics. You'd have a better argument if you said we should bring Christianity to Muslims instead of "business".
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::) Capitalism the answer to all the world's problems right? Terrorism and the plight of the middle east is WAY more complicated than "business and economics". The problems of terrorism and the middle east are far more complicated than simple economics. You'd have a better argument if you said we should bring Christianity to Muslims instead of "business".
When people work and earn a decent living and are able to provide for their familes with stable jobs, I have to assume that in general they are not as apt to want to blow themselves up.
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When people work and earn a decent living and are able to provide for their familes with stable jobs, I have to assume that in general they are not as apt to want to blow themselves up.
This is your assumption. There is no proof for this. Who do you think is funding terrorism? Poor shopkeepers who are saving all their money so they can buy an Apple Iphone or Britney's latest CD? The Mumbai attackers, those behind 9/11, those behind the train bombings of Spain and England were not poor nor uneducated. Like I said terrorism really didn't exist 200 years ago. Trouble finds those who go out looking or it. When you try to police the entire world you're going to run into people who don't like you or your way of life. Trying to McDonaldize the rest of the world will get us nowhere as a country. You can't force democracy and capitalism on people. Like everything else in life people have to figure it out for themselves. Back to my point.....except for our commercial interests abroad why do we care if muslims are blowing up each other in their countries as long as they don't do it here? The entire problem is our entire economy and standard of living in the USA is reliant on our worldwide empire and if you don't think an empire is what we are well...history will soon tell us differently.
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OIL OIL OIL OIL.
Unless we are :
1. Willing to drill our own oil.
2. Find a viable alternative that delivers the same bang for the buck.
We will be involved over there.
I think personally we should do both find more of our own oil and seek alternatives. There is no alternative as of this date that is as efficient as oil at the time being.
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OIL OIL OIL OIL.
Unless we are :
1. Willing to drill our own oil.
2. Find a viable alternative that delivers the same bang for the buck.
We will be involved over there.
I think personally we should do both find more of our own oil and seek alternatives. There is no alternative as of this date that is as efficient as oil at the time being.
There are PLENTY of viable alternatives that get the cock block. You do realize the grip the petroleum industry has on our country? How many politicians, senators, Governors, ex Presidents have money or ties to big oil? It's a joke man! Why do you think there hasn't been a major breakthrough in public transportation i.e. a high speed bullet train that could take you from California to NYC in a day for half the price of an airline ticket? LOBBYISTS.....from the airline industry, automobile industry you name it. Everyone is looking out for their ass in the US......while the collective country remains divided and inefficient in many areas.
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There are PLENTY of viable alternatives that get the cock block. You do realize the grip the petroleum industry has on our country? How many politicians, senators, Governors, ex Presidents have money or ties to big oil? It's a joke man! Why do you think there hasn't been a major breakthrough in public transportation i.e. a high speed bullet train that could take you from California to NYC in a day for half the price of an airline ticket? LOBBYISTS.....from the airline industry, automobile industry you name it. Everyone is looking out for their ass in the US......while the collective country remains divided and inefficient in many areas.
Ok. Tell me the alternative we can have to oil that will do all the same stuff for the same price?
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Ok. Tell me the alternative we can have to oil that will do all the same stuff for the same price?
Well the biggest clamor for oil is due to energy reliance. We have nuclear power, we have wind, solar, etc. All these combined can more than power our cars, houses, etc. But at the same time people are going to have to be conservation minded as well and yes for a while until the industry takes off things will be expensive and people will have to sacrifice. Not everyone owned a car or a tv when they first came out. But you are right and what most people don't realize is that we live in a petroleum based economy..........EVERYTH ING nowadays is PLASTIC. There is so much shit made from oil.....but all you hear about is oil and energy. I'm not saying alternative sources will change forever our reliance on oil. But when it comes to energy we have plenty of alternatives. But there are lots of road blocks in the form of special interest that are preventing the innovation and creative necessary for them to be initiated. Look at car technology and the Tesla Roadster. This technology existed over 50 years ago. Research Nikola Tesla and you'll see. The Tesla roadster is expensive now....far out of reach for most people but like I said so were tvs and cars a hundred and fifty years ago.
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I have yet to be able to find it maybe you can........but I'd be interested to see how much of a barrel of oil goes to gasoline and energy vs. petroleum products. ?????????????
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Well the biggest clamor for oil is due to energy reliance. We have nuclear power, we have wind, solar, etc. All these combined can more than power our cars, houses, etc. But at the same time people are going to have to be conservation minded as well and yes for a while until the industry takes off things will be expensive and people will have to sacrifice. Not everyone owned a car or a tv when they first came out. But you are right and what most people don't realize is that we live in a petroleum based economy..........EVERYTH ING nowadays is PLASTIC. There is so much shit made from oil.....but all you hear about is oil and energy. I'm not saying alternative sources will change forever our reliance on oil. But when it comes to energy we have plenty of alternatives. But there are lots of road blocks in the form of special interest that are preventing the innovation and creative necessary for them to be initiated. Look at car technology and the Tesla Roadster. This technology existed over 50 years ago. Research Nikola Tesla and you'll see. The Tesla roadster is expensive now....far out of reach for most people but like I said so were tvs and cars a hundred and fifty years ago.
If, coulda woulda shoulda, maybe I hope...all bullshit we have oil now. If somebody comes along and produces a better, cheaper, safer product we'll all use it. If an American can make a profit off of it, we'll invent it and get it on the shelf. Until that time the arabs have the oil and they don't play nice. So we will do whats in our strategic best interest to secure that oil, be it diplomancy, torture, war, whatever. We'll do what we have to control trade routes, starve or feed people, kill, maim or build schools.This is the real world, not ur world of fantasy electric cars, gumdrop kisses and chocolate rivers. .
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If, coulda woulda shoulda, maybe I hope...all bullshit we have oil now. If somebody comes along and produces a better, cheaper, safer product we'll all use it. If an American can make a profit off of it, we'll invent it and get it on the shelf. Until that time the arabs have the oil and they don't play nice. So we will do whats in our strategic best interest to secure that oil, be it diplomancy, torture, war, whatever. We'll do what we have to control trade routes, starve or feed people, kill, maim or build schools.This is the real world, not ur world of fantasy electric cars, gumdrop kisses and chocolate rivers. .
blah blah blah! Same old rhetoric. What's funny is the way USA is going your kids or grand kids are going to be on the shit end of the next Superpower stick. Middle Eastern countries WILL have nuclear weapons in the next 20-50 years. By that time America will have long ceased being an Empire and superpower. It's inevitable. All empires come to an end. I'm sure you would have fit in quite well in the Roman Army.
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blah blah blah! Same old rhetoric. What's funny is the way USA is going your kids or grand kids are going to be on the shit end of the next Superpower stick. Middle Eastern countries WILL have nuclear weapons in the next 20-50 years. By that time America will have long ceased being an Empire and superpower. It's inevitable. All empires come to an end. I'm sure you would have fit in quite well in the Roman Army.
How do you reckon they're going to do this? With the oil money? Sorry pal, the oil is running out and the day is fast coming when the middle east will be nothing but a pile of sand with no value. ::)
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How do you reckon they're going to do this? With the oil money? Sorry pal, the oil is running out and the day is fast coming when the middle east will be nothing but a pile of sand with no value. ::)
The oil is running out? ::) There is a ton of oil left in the middle east. But that's besides the point. That has nothing to do with nuclear technology. Russia has it, China has it. Nothing is preventing them from selling it, sharing it, and giving it to our worst enemies. But like your butt buddy HH6 you'd probably argue no problem......America can take on the entire world! LMAO!
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The oil is running out? ::) There is a ton of oil left in the middle east. But that's besides the point. That has nothing to do with nuclear technology. Russia has it, China has it. Nothing is preventing them from selling it, sharing it, and giving it to our worst enemies. But like your butt buddy HH6 you'd probably argue no problem......America can take on the entire world! LMAO!
I am all for Nuclear power, but guess who in this nation is largest group blocking it . . . . . ????
The enviro-wack jobs.
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I am all for Nuclear power, but guess who in this nation is largest group blocking it . . . . . ????
The enviro-wack jobs.
Yeah and they have good reason to since we are talking RADIOACTIVE WASTE. Until our government and private corporations learn to man the fuck up and hold themselves accountable. We can't even deal with toxic coal waste how are we going to trust our government or companies to deal with nuclear waste responsibly?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090109/ap_on_go_ot/coal_ash
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McMannus, what you are forgetting is that some Arabs are raised with religious hatred and intolerance. That is a tough cycle to break. This is why they are dangerous. You say terrorism has only been around for 200 yrs. Arab countries have been fighting for since recorded history. They have a disproportionate # of religious fanatics. Religion is the cause of this intolerance and continual wars. Many terrorists have been well educated.
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Muscles is an idiot of the highest order..ur like a whiny bitch. America is an empire, america sucks whaa whaaa whaaa...shut the hell up and move if u don't like it. Morons much much much smarter then u have predicted the demise of the US. We're still here and will be for a long long time.
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McMannus, what you are forgetting is that some Arabs are raised with religious hatred and intolerance. That is a tough cycle to break. This is why they are dangerous. You say terrorism has only been around for 200 yrs. Arab countries have been fighting for since recorded history. They have a disproportionate # of religious fanatics. Religion is the cause of this intolerance and continual wars. Many terrorists have been well educated.
Religion is simply an excuse. Islam is not the only religion that has wreaked havoc in the world or throughout mankind. The Middle East is the cradle of civilization...........o f course Arabs have been fighting since recorded history. Human beings have been fighting and killing each other since they lived in a cave. First it was for food and survival, now its for religion. In 50 years it will probably be for fresh water. What happens 2000 miles way in the middle east should not concern the USA. The only reason it does is because we are trying to police the world for our own commercial interests and meddling in the governments of other countries. Remember the Founding Fathers were considered terrorists by the British. History is subjective. You can't force democracy on people.........they have to figure it out for themselves. Kind of like religion..... ::) That's ok though........America is on the decline...as throughout history be it the Ottoman Empire, the Persian Empire, the Chinese Empire, the Roman Empire, the British Empire..........we will cease to be the force we are today. Either that or we will destroy the world trying to be the wolf at the top of the mountain. Life cycles. Nature cycles. So does humanity and civilization. You can't be numero uno forever. Arrogance is killing us.
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Religion is simply an excuse. Islam is not the only religion that has wreaked havoc in the world or throughout mankind. The Middle East is the cradle of civilization...........o f course Arabs have been fighting since recorded history. Human beings have been fighting and killing each other since they lived in a cave. First it was for food and survival, now its for religion. In 50 years it will probably be for fresh water. What happens 2000 miles way in the middle east should not concern the USA. The only reason it does is because we are trying to police the world for our own commercial interests and meddling in the governments of other countries. Remember the Founding Fathers were considered terrorists by the British. History is subjective. You can't force democracy on people.........they have to figure it out for themselves. Kind of like religion..... ::) That's ok though........America is on the decline...as throughout history be it the Ottoman Empire, the Persian Empire, the Chinese Empire, the Roman Empire, the British Empire..........we will cease to be the force we are today. Either that or we will destroy the world trying to be the wolf at the top of the mountain. Life cycles. Nature cycles. So does humanity and civilization. You can't be numero uno forever. Arrogance is killing us.
You need to stfu and read the Koran. Try checking out the "sword verses" for starters, which according to the overwhelming majority of scholars, overrules the verses about peace and prosperity due to the fact that they come later in the text.
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Muscles is an idiot of the highest order..ur like a whiny bitch. America is an empire, america sucks whaa whaaa whaaa...shut the hell up and move if u don't like it. Morons much much much smarter then u have predicted the demise of the US. We're still here and will be for a long long time.
I love my country and my people........I hate my government. You are the government's little bitch......carrying out their dirty work.
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You need to stfu and read the Koran. Try checking out the "sword verses" for starters, which according to the overwhelming majority of scholars, overrules the verses about peace and prosperity due to the fact that they come later in the text.
So every Muslim in the world wants to kill us? Is that your argument?
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So every Muslim in the world wants to kill us? Is that your argument?
Did I say that? You're trying to make the claim that Islam doesn't indoctrinate these people with justifications needed to launch their terror campaigns. Here are a few of the sword verses:
"Those that make war against Allah and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter." (Sura 5.33)
"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers." (Sura 5.51)
"Allah revealed His will to the angels, saying: 'I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!' That was because they defied Allah and His apostle. He that defies Allah and his apostle shall be sternly punished by Allah." (Sura 8.12-13)
"It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter in the land." (Sura 8.67).
Keep in mind that this is only a few. There are at least a dozen more where this came from. And these verses form the basis of extremist ideology.
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SO WHO THE FUCK CARES? Who the fuck cares what the Koran says. Hitler, Josef Stalin, etc. have wreaked as much havoc and violence in the world as any Muslim/Islamic fanatic. The Hu Jintaos of the world are no more evil or undemocratic than the most fanatical Islamist funadmentalist. Yet I don't see us invading China and Southeast Asia anytime soon moron! The war on terror is a scam to prop up the military industrial complex and reign in commercial and natural resource interests abroad. Nothing more nothing less. And for the billions of Muslims in the world.....the actual percentage that "blow themselves" up in the name of Allah is pretty small.
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SO WHO THE FUCK CARES? Who the fuck cares what the Koran says. Hitler, Josef Stalin, etc. have wreaked as much havoc and violence in the world as any Muslim/Islamic fanatic. The Hu Jintaos of the world are no more evil or undemocratic than the most fanatical Islamist funadmentalist. Yet I don't see us invading China and Southeast Asia anytime soon moron! The war on terror is a scam to prop up the military industrial complex and reign in commercial and natural resource interests abroad. Nothing more nothing less. And for the billions of Muslims in the world.....the actual percentage that "blow themselves" up in the name of Allah is pretty small.
Serious question. Are you retarded? What does China have to do with anything? The Chinese aren't running around blowing up train stations, shooting up hotels and flying planes into buildings. I'm not even talking about the war on terror. I'm talking about the growing extremist problem in Europe (which stems from Muslims bringing their bullshit with them when they flood a country with immigrants) and the ever increasing anti-Muslim sentiment that's following it. You need to do some research because your arguments are beyond ridiculous and show that you know next to nothing regarding the topic. And regardless of how many actually blow themselves up, a whole lot more are condone and secretly endorse such actions. One only needs to look to England to see a perfect example of the growing Muslim problem and the increasing anti-Muslim hatred that's following it.
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Serious question. Are you retarded? What does China have to do with anything? The Chinese aren't running around blowing up train stations, shooting up hotels and flying planes into buildings. I'm not even talking about the war on terror. I'm talking about the growing extremist problem in Europe (which stems from Muslims bringing their bullshit with them when they flood a country with immigrants) and the ever increasing anti-Muslim sentiment that's following it. You need to do some research because your arguments are beyond ridiculous and show that you know next to nothing regarding the topic. And regardless of how many actually blow themselves up, a whole lot more are condone and secretly endorse such actions. One only needs to look to England to see a perfect example of the growing Muslim problem and the increasing anti-Muslim hatred that's following it.
I'm not saying I want to live with fucking Muslims. The UK should kick their asses out if they feel they are a threat to their culture. What I'm saying is it isn't any of our business what Muslims do in their own corner of the world. The only reasons we poke our noses in the middle east is to secure and protect our commercial interests, oil, resources, economy, MI complex etc. And no the Chinese aren't blowing themselves up......but they are as much of a threat or more to OUR NATIONAL FUCKING SECURITY than some radical Muslims willing to die for Allah! You're complicating a very simple issues. America shouldn't be cow towing to fucking Muslims in our own country. Airport footbaths?????LMAO! WHAT A JOKE! But we should't be sticking our fucking noses in their governments and countries either. Do you see the Chinese policing the world and sticking their nose in every countries business? No you don't. Do you see the fucking Chinese providing unproportional and unconditional support for Israel fueling US hatred in the MIddle East? NO YOU DON'T! If the Israelis can't live in peace with the Arabs well let them move to Alaska or some other western country and leave the Arabs and the middle east alone. You act like the Muslims are the only ones that hate the US for our foreign policy. You're naive.
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I'm not saying I want to live with fucking Muslims. The UK should kick their asses out if they feel they are a threat to their culture. What I'm saying is it isn't any of our business what Muslims do in their own corner of the world. The only reasons we poke our noses in the middle east is to secure and protect our commercial interests, oil, resources, economy, MI complex etc. And no the Chinese aren't blowing themselves up......but they are as much of a threat or more to OUR NATIONAL FUCKING SECURITY than some radical Muslims willing to die for Allah! You're complicating a very simple issues. America shouldn't be cow towing to fucking Muslims in our own country. Airport footbaths?????LMAO! WHAT A JOKE! But we should't be sticking our fucking noses in their governments and countries either. Do you see the Chinese policing the world and sticking their nose in every countries business? No you don't. Do you see the fucking Chinese providing unproportional and unconditional support for Israel fueling US hatred in the MIddle East? NO YOU DON'T! If the Israelis can't live in peace with the Arabs well let them move to Alaska or some other western country and leave the Arabs and the middle east alone. You act like the Muslims are the only ones that hate the US for our foreign policy. You're naive.
You don't really think too well. You want us to up and leave the middle east. Think about what will happen. China, who you say is just as much of a threat to our national security as the Muslims, will then have free access to the oil there. I know you seem hellbent on telling us that there are viable alternatives that exist at this very moment, but I seriously doubt it. You're incredibly naive and backwards with you're way of thinking.
The Chinese police their own regions as well. Look at Tibet. They're a lot better at keeping their media in line, however. Usually comes with the territory of being a communist nation.
By the way, China also has a growing Muslim problem, and has been subject to multiple terrorist attacks in their northwest provinces in the last few years. ;)
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You don't really think too well. You want us to up and leave the middle east. Think about what will happen. China, who you say is just as much of a threat to our national security as the Muslims, will then have free access to the oil there. I know you seem hellbent on telling us that there are viable alternatives that exist at this very moment, but I seriously doubt it. You're incredibly naive and backwards with you're way of thinking.
The Chinese police their own regions as well. Look at Tibet. They're a lot better at keeping their media in line, however. Usually comes with the territory of being a communist nation.
By the way, China also has a growing Muslim problem, and has been subject to multiple terrorist attacks in their northwest provinces in the last few years. ;)
Economics and politics are two VERY different things. I never said up and leave. But you're arguing that we have to meddle in the governmental affairs of middle eastern countries to some how be able to buy their oil. That's bullshit.