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Title: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 10:20:42 AM
according to doctor scott connely, its very possible to build up muscle glycogen with amino acids only. after a while of a low carb hig protein diet, the body shifts enzymes and becomes capable of producing glycogen from protein, without any glucose.

pretty interesting.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: coltrane on January 09, 2009, 10:45:47 AM
Guru.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
Guru.
this guy is totally changing my thoughts on bodybuilding diet. at least for at rest food intake. not workout nutrition, but the rest fo the day. all meat proteins and unsaturated fats and veggies for me.  carbs only pre and during workout.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: coltrane on January 09, 2009, 11:32:55 AM
this guy is totally changing my thoughts on bodybuilding diet. at least for at rest food intake. not workout nutrition, but the rest fo the day. all meat proteins and unsaturated fats and veggies for me.  carbs only pre and during workout.

well if youre talking about red meet candizzle, you're gonna get saturated fats too...

Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
well if youre talking about red meet candizzle, you're gonna get saturated fats too...


yeah thats ture but those are minimal. i mean as a fat source, only unsaturated fats. like, i wont eat chicken and pork rinds. ill eat chicken and almonds.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: coltrane on January 09, 2009, 11:39:28 AM
word   good luck
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Necrosis on January 09, 2009, 11:47:34 AM
amino acids can be deaminated and oxidized for enter glycogenesis, nothing new here. It's just that protein is vitally important, all enzymes, immunoglobulins,transporters ect are protein. Using amino acids for glycogen synthesis is not really ideal.

Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 09, 2009, 12:22:03 PM
amino acids can be deaminated and oxidized for enter glycogenesis, nothing new here. It's just that protein is vitally important, all enzymes, immunoglobulins,transporters ect are protein. Using amino acids for glycogen synthesis is not really ideal.


But if your eating enough protein and good fats then you'll be just fine. And most bb'ers eat plenty of protein. Dr.Connelly stated a diet with over 30% protein is considered high protein, so what most bb'ers eat will most surely be sufficient.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
amino acids can be deaminated and oxidized for enter glycogenesis, nothing new here. It's just that protein is vitally important, all enzymes, immunoglobulins,transporters ect are protein. Using amino acids for glycogen synthesis is not really ideal.


if you would like to, listen to this interview with scott connely, and tell me what you think about what he has to say.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1347/140/
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Necrosis on January 09, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
But if your eating enough protein and good fats then you'll be just fine. And most bb'ers eat plenty of protein. Dr.Connelly stated a diet with over 30% protein is considered high protein, so what most bb'ers eat will most surely be sufficient.

yes.

Ill listen to the interview.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Soundness on January 09, 2009, 03:15:36 PM
according to doctor scott connely, its very possible to build up muscle glycogen with amino acids only. after a while of a low carb hig protein diet, the body shifts enzymes and becomes capable of producing glycogen from protein, without any glucose.

pretty interesting.
Yes. This is very interesting. I recall Arthur Jones mentioning that your body can turn protein into glycogen if it needs to...
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Necrosis on January 09, 2009, 03:33:27 PM
Yes. This is very interesting. I recall Arthur Jones mentioning that your body can turn protein into glycogen if it needs to...

it can turn fatty acids to glycogen as well. that is why carbs are not essential, they can be made de novo.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Soundness on January 09, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
it can turn fatty acids to glycogen as well. that is why carbs are not essential, they can be made de novo.
So what's the advantage to eating carbs at all?
Perhaps the energy is more readily available rather than having to build up over time?
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Balloon on January 09, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
What is the diff between glUconeogenesis and glYconeogenesis?
 ;D
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Balloon on January 09, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
If u are lookin for max muscle gains,,,

U need saturated fats for their PRO inflammatory effect.

A diet of unsaturated fats isn;t ideal for gaining mass.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
tbombz,

Is it possible that some people are (genetically?) not able to function on a low carb diet as well as others?
 ???

I notice great results going low carb, but I feel absolutely terrible in almost every way.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: Balloon on January 09, 2009, 05:09:32 PM
tbombz,

Is it possible that some people are (genetically?) not able to function on a low carb diet as well as others?
 ???

I notice great results going low carb, but I feel absolutely terrible in almost every way.
When going low carb, you really need to make sure ur fats are "very" high, or u will have a definite lack of energy.
MOst low carbers who say they feel bad, simply are not eating enough fats.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 06:42:52 PM
What is the diff between glUconeogenesis and glYconeogenesis?
 ;D
one your producing glucoe to be released into the bloodstream for immidiete energy, one your producing glycogen which is stored glucose in the muscle to be used for energy at a later time.

If u are lookin for max muscle gains,,,

U need saturated fats for their PRO inflammatory effect.

A diet of unsaturated fats isn;t ideal for gaining mass.
alot of unsaturated fats are pro immatory. in fact the most beneficial pro immflamatory fatty acid for abodybuilder is arachodonic acid, which is an unsatuarated omega-6 fatty acid.

saturated fats arent necessary, except for the fact that cholestrol is necessary and beneficial and the best source of cholestrol would be whole eggs, would has saturated fat.


tbombz,

Is it possible that some people are (genetically?) not able to function on a low carb diet as well as others?
 ???

I notice great results going low carb, but I feel absolutely terrible in almost every way.
i told you in another thread, if you feel horrible going low carb, its because of unstable blood sugar levels. you either need to add in fiberous veggies, lower carbs more, or maybe your just not staying on the diet long enough.

for most people it will take a day or two or three before they start to feel good on low carb diets. however personally i notice that with adequate fiberous veggie intake , i feel good starting immideitly on day one.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 10, 2009, 12:05:27 AM
Unless your dieting for a contest, eat carbs, just dont eat too many. Try to time them. First thing in the morning, pre and post workout are the best times to have them.

once u diet for a while and get lean u should know your body well enough to know how many carbs to eat without getting fat.

Thats it, K.I.S.S fellas!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: LatsMcGee on January 10, 2009, 12:10:00 AM
When going low carb, you really need to make sure ur fats are "very" high, or u will have a definite lack of energy.
MOst low carbers who say they feel bad, simply are not eating enough fats.

Boom,  this is the key right here,  Great post Balloon.
Title: Re: GLYCOneogensis
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on January 10, 2009, 12:41:25 AM
What is the diff between glUconeogenesis and glYconeogenesis?
 ;D

mobilization of glucose vs. the creation of glycogen.  I forget what the accurate terms are...there is also glycolysis.