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Title: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 04:33:29 PM
Like everyone else I am really hoping Barrack turns out to be a great President and I give him my full support. However, why is this issue unresolved  ....and why would someone hire three different law firms and spend $1M instead of just producing his birth certificate?

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587 (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587)

And why does Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse to run these ads questioning Barack's eligibility?

What happened to free speech?


Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
please solve the unemployment crisis
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Drama Queen on January 09, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
Like everyone else I am really hoping Barrack turns out to be a great President and I give him my full support. However, why is this issue unresolved  ....and why would someone hire three different law firms and spend $1M instead of just producing his birth certificate?

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587 (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587)

And why does Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse to run these ads questioning Barack's eligibility?

What happened to free speech?



Stick to porn please ,thanks.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:37:47 PM
What do you think about this 240?  ???
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 04:39:24 PM
Stick to porn please ,thanks.

I'm not allowed to voice my opinion about anything else?   >:(
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
I'm not allowed to voice my opinion about anything else?   >:(

You need a new Q&A thread sticky'd on the G&O board.

Have you ever met Sasha Grey?  ;D
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 04:41:23 PM
What do you think about this 240?  ???

I actually am a big Ron Paul fan! I loved his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto"!!!!!
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
Quote
It cites a statement from the president-elect's paternal grandmother that she was present at his birth in Kenya, his refusal to release his original birth certificate, his attendance at school in Indonesia "as Barry Soetoro when only Indonesia citizens were permitted to attend," and Obama's travel to Pakistan in 1981 "when it was illegal to enter as a U.S. citizen."

 :-\
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Drama Queen on January 09, 2009, 04:41:59 PM
I'm not allowed to voice my opinion about anything else?   >:(
Calm down Grant ,I was  J/K  ;D
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:43:01 PM
I actually am a big Ron Paul fan! I loved his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto"!!!!!

You're an all around good man Grant!

One of my favorite Getbiggers.  8)
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
You need a new Q&A thread sticky'd on the G&O board.

Have you ever met Sasha Grey?  ;D

Met her a couple times .... she was very very pretty ..... naturally beauty ... but she had a very sad emptiness about her.  I actually felt sorry for her.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
He spent over $1mil on attorneys because he KNOWS where he was born and it wasn't Hawaii. The lib senate and libs press are covering up to make sure nothing sticks to this guy.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: hazbin on January 09, 2009, 04:49:49 PM
born in Kenya.

good news for Arnie.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 09, 2009, 04:50:16 PM
He spent over $1mil on attorneys because he KNOWS where he was born and it wasn't Hawaii. The lib senate and libs press are covering up to make sure nothing sticks to this guy.

Bush disregarded the Constitution for years and it didn't seem to bother you before.  ::)
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 04:58:25 PM
Yayaya whatever, isn't that what the dems ran on 2 years ago when they lied their way to congress? I guess it really wasn't that bad now was it?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
born in Kenya.

good news for Arnie.

And for me!!!!   8)

But... back on topic ....why does this issue of where Obama was born keep getting swept under the carpet?  Why can't we just resolve it and move forward?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Drama Queen on January 09, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
And for me!!!!   8)

But... back on topic ....why does this issue of where Obama was born keep getting swept under the carpet?  Why can't we just resolve it and move forward?
It was resolved already
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Stark on January 09, 2009, 05:30:34 PM
All this so that we can vote and elect Arnold Schwarzenegger as the next white president :P
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: basurablanco on January 09, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
No commercials for: SCHMOES !!!
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: hazbin on January 09, 2009, 05:54:57 PM
And for me!!!!   8)

But... back on topic ....why does this issue of where Obama was born keep getting swept under the carpet?  Why can't we just resolve it and move forward?

that's right, you are South African, no??  but if you ran for prez, i don't think it would be of America. maybe president of the lucky studs of America, haha. how is your bail out request being received? i saw Larry Flint on tv talking about it.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: LATS on January 09, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
 GUYS.. IF THIS WERE LEGITIMATELY TRUE.. THR REPUBS WOULD BE ALL OVER THIS TO OVERTURN THIS ELECTION..  no on the off chance that this is true .. it will come out.. and all will break loose then..
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: MisterMagoo on January 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM
And for me!!!!   8)

But... back on topic ....why does this issue of where Obama was born keep getting swept under the carpet?  Why can't we just resolve it and move forward?

because...

he...

ALREADY PRODUCED HIS GODDAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU PUTZ.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 09, 2009, 06:14:50 PM
You need a new Q&A thread sticky'd on the G&O board.

Have you ever met Sasha Grey?  ;D

Great taste!


Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
that's right, you are South African, no??  but if you ran for prez, i don't think it would be of America. maybe president of the lucky studs of America, haha. how is your bail out request being received? i saw Larry Flint on tv talking about it.

Zimbabwean actually. Close enough!  Missed the bail out request on TV.... but the adult biz has been in trouble for a while now.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: flagadajones on January 09, 2009, 06:20:21 PM
Zimbabwean actually. Close enough!  Missed the bail out request on TV.... but the adult biz has been in trouble for a while now.
hey grant, what'S your new job at the moment?

what do you think of the free internet porn and amateur people making their own porn ruining the X industry?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: chaos on January 09, 2009, 06:24:33 PM
Like everyone else I am really hoping Barrack turns out to be a great President and I give him my full support. However, why is this issue unresolved  ....and why would someone hire three different law firms and spend $1M instead of just producing his birth certificate?

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587 (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587)

And why does Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse to run these ads questioning Barack's eligibility?

What happened to free speech?



A little late bro, election was over months ago.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 06:31:34 PM
because... he...

ALREADY PRODUCED HIS GODDAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU PUTZ.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

I appreciate the link.  Interesting stuff.  But then why would people go to the extent of making ad's like the one posted.  The problem is that many witnesses say he was born in Kenya.  That would make him a citizen of Kenya.  His mother may have naturalized him (as Arnold and I have done).... but he was not US born?

He may have an authentic Hawaiian certificate NOW ....but when you are the leading candidate for the Dem's I am sure you have connections to get this stuff done?  It is after all ... just an official piece of paper?  I operated on a fake social and drivers for ages here without any problems .... and I certainly do not have the connections Obama has?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Drama Queen on January 09, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
I appreciate the link.  Interesting stuff.  But then why would people go to the extent of making ad's like the one posted.  The problem is that many witnesses say he was born in Kenya.  That would make him a citizen of Kenya.  His mother may have naturalized him (as Arnold and I have done).... but he was not US born?

He may have an authentic Hawaiian certificate NOW ....but when you are the leading candidate for the Dem's I am sure you have connections to get this stuff done?  It is after all ... just an official piece of paper?  I operated on a fake social and drivers for ages here without any problems .... and I certainly do not have the connections Obama has?

  ::) Who are these witnesses ?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 06:36:17 PM
are u registered to vote in the u.s. today?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: hazbin on January 09, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
Zimbabwean actually. Close enough!  Missed the bail out request on TV.... but the adult biz has been in trouble for a while now.

i knew that just couldn't spell it, haha. can't imagine the porn ind. would get their bailout, but you never know, the way things are going these days!!
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 08:31:16 PM
because...

he...

ALREADY PRODUCED HIS GODDAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU PUTZ.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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Well... I did a little more investigating (I should be on CSI) and found this Mister Magoo:

It appears that the Anneberg Foundation ... responsible for Fact Check, had Obama as the chair of their foundation and he raised a lot of money for them.   I'd say there is more than a bit of a conflict of interest.   Here's a quote for you:
 
"A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.

The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.

The project's organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.

For seven years, Ayers and Obama -- among many others -- worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.

"The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money," said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.

"Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups," said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge's recently released records."    (Ayers, you might remember, more than 30 years ago, William Ayers was a fugitive leader of the Weather Underground, an antiwar terrorist group known for its bombings of police stations, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.)

This article:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/ (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/)
goes on to say:  "The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers' small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School -- where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme -- and another school where the focus was African-American studies.

The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving "little impact on school improvement and student outcomes," its final report stated.

While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund.  It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate -- not the Annenberg Challenge.

Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married.... and the Children and Family Justice Center, where "Ayers' wife Dohrn was director."

To most, FactCheck then becomes very suspect in its intentions and its reports as outlined in the article you sent.   If you want to read more, simply google "Annenberg AND Obama"   

Interesting isn't it?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
why are you so interested in this?  dead stories
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Drama Queen on January 09, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
Well... I did a little more investigating (I should be on CSI) and found this Mister Magoo:

It appears that the Anneberg Foundation ... responsible for Fact Check, had Obama as the chair of their foundation and he raised a lot of money for them.   I'd say there is more than a bit of a conflict of interest.   Here's a quote for you:
 
"A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.

The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.

The project's organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.

For seven years, Ayers and Obama -- among many others -- worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.

"The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money," said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.

"Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups," said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge's recently released records."    (Ayers, you might remember, more than 30 years ago, William Ayers was a fugitive leader of the Weather Underground, an antiwar terrorist group known for its bombings of police stations, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.)

This article:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/ (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/)
goes on to say:  "The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers' small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School -- where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme -- and another school where the focus was African-American studies.

The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving "little impact on school improvement and student outcomes," its final report stated.

While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund.  It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate -- not the Annenberg Challenge.

Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married.... and the Children and Family Justice Center, where "Ayers' wife Dohrn was director."

To most, FactCheck then becomes very suspect in its intentions and its reports as outlined in the article you sent.   If you want to read more, simply google "Annenberg AND Obama"   

Interesting isn't it?
Now I'm serious ,stick to porn dude .
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Bossa on January 09, 2009, 09:20:59 PM
Zimbabwean actually. Close enough!  Missed the bail out request on TV.... but the adult biz has been in trouble for a while now.

you mean Rhodesian ;)
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
No he did not produce a hard copy of his birth cert. Unless he produces the hard copy (instead of an online copy) it's hear say.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
No he did not produce a hard copy of his birth cert. Unless he produces the hard copy (instead of an online copy) it's hear say.
who is he?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 09:28:28 PM
Your President elect.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: drkaje on January 09, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
The election's over Grant, LOL!
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 09:30:38 PM
The problem is people voted.....but they didn't know for what.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
Your President elect.
wrong tardo   that's mexican for retard        our President-elect
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: The Coach on January 09, 2009, 09:37:19 PM
Ok, technically yes, but remember, I didn't vote for him!
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 09, 2009, 09:39:20 PM
Ok, technically yes, but remember, I didn't vote for him!
well i didnt vote for 43 but he was my President.
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Dr Kincaid on January 09, 2009, 10:13:29 PM
Well... I did a little more investigating (I should be on CSI) and found this Mister Magoo:

It appears that the Anneberg Foundation ... responsible for Fact Check, had Obama as the chair of their foundation and he raised a lot of money for them.   I'd say there is more than a bit of a conflict of interest.   Here's a quote for you:
 
"A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.

The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.

The project's organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.

For seven years, Ayers and Obama -- among many others -- worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.

"The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money," said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.

"Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups," said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge's recently released records."    (Ayers, you might remember, more than 30 years ago, William Ayers was a fugitive leader of the Weather Underground, an antiwar terrorist group known for its bombings of police stations, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.)

This article:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/ (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/)
goes on to say:  "The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers' small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School -- where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme -- and another school where the focus was African-American studies.

The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving "little impact on school improvement and student outcomes," its final report stated.

While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund.  It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate -- not the Annenberg Challenge.

Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married.... and the Children and Family Justice Center, where "Ayers' wife Dohrn was director."

To most, FactCheck then becomes very suspect in its intentions and its reports as outlined in the article you sent.   If you want to read more, simply google "Annenberg AND Obama"   

Interesting isn't it?


Great research, thanks for bring it to everyone's attention.
No doubt it does not add up.
Seems like there have been several types of cover up's going on.
Hopefully the USA will never be subjected to a Pres born elsewhere.No matter how cool Arnie was in T2.

   



Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 10:18:25 PM
why are you so interested in this?  dead stories

The election's over Grant, LOL!

Why is this a dead story, Bigdumbell?   And why should we accept the election is over now, Jake .... so we shouldn't look at the Constitution we all swore to uphold?  (I had to learn about it for the test they give when you are sworn in as a citizen).

We have a set of rules in place for a reason.  The constitution and Bill of Rights is what made this country so great!  This country is deteriorating because no one follows it anymore.  Wall Street and the bail-out is bad news for all of us.  But you guys know this already. China is taking over .... and Putin is ready to pounce too.

And for the record....I totally support Obama as our President.  I just hate the cloak-and-dagger bullshit around his place of birth.  Let's just put it on the table and discuss it?
Title: Re: Watch Obama commercial they don't want you to see (clip)
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
I did some more research on the Net and found the following.....

It seems that the document that Obama's team showed was proven to be a forgery.   Obama supporters say that forgery is a ridiculous claim, of course.   The real problem is that when Obama was a newborn, it was possible for an American mother to go to Hawaii and request a Hawaii Birth Certificate  ....he could have been born elsewhere.   

Here's a little info:

Obama has released a "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" issued by the State of Hawaii. This "CERTIFICATION" is NOT a birth certificate and is not valid to obtain a passport or a security clearence because under the Laws of the State of Hawaii, a "CERTIFICATION" may be issued for anyone born any where.

It unlike a BIRTH CERTIFICATE which may only be issued to a live birth within the State can be issued for any one born any where.

It seems that the "Certification of Live Birth" would not be accepted without further verification for Hawaii’s homestead programs or Driver’s Licenses

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl  (http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl)

Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer- generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.    Also note because the certification of live birth, being computer-generated, is easily manipulated.



"Natural Born"


Defining Natural-Born Citizen
By P.A. Madison on November 18, 2008


“The common law of England is not the common law of these States.” ­George Mason



UPDATED 12/4/2008


What might the phrase “natural-born citizen” of the United States imply under the U.S. Constitution? The phrase has always been obscure due to the lack of any single authoritative source to confer in order to understand the condition of citizenship the phrase recognizes. Learning what the phrase might have meant following the Declaration of Independence, and following the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, requires detective work. As with all detective work, eliminating the usual suspects from the beginning goes a long way in quickly solving a case.


What Natural-Born Citizen Could Not Mean


Could a natural-born citizen simply mean citizenship due to place of birth?


Unlikely because we know one can be native born and yet not a native born citizen of this country prior to the year 1866. There were even disputes whether anyone born within the District of Columbia or in the territories were born citizens of the United States (they were referred to as “inhabitants” instead.) National Government could make no “territorial allegiance” demands within the several States because as Madison explained it, the “powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”


Jurisdiction over citizenship via birth within the several States was part of the “ordinary course of affairs” of the States that only local laws could affect. Early acts of Naturalization recognized the individual State Legislatures as the only authority who could make anyone a citizen of a State. Framer James Wilson said, “a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union.” These citizens of each State were united together through Article IV, Sec. II of the U.S. Constitution, and thus, no act of Congress was required to make citizens of the individual States citizens of the United States.


Prior to the Revolutionary War place of birth within the dominions of the crown was the principle criterion for establishing perpetual allegiance to the crown in this country. After independence, this maxim was only recognized as far as individual States were willing to recognize it. The State of Virginia in 1777 moved to recognize parentage (citizenship of father) in determining allegiance and citizenship. States that were slow in enacting laws controlling birth and citizenship forced the courts to adjudicate citizenship disputes under common law rules.


Congress was vested only with the power to make uniform rules of naturalization in order to remove alienage from those who were already born abroad (outside of the States) who had immigrated to any one of the individual States. The best Congress could do is declare children born abroad to fathers who were already a citizen of some State to be a citizen themselves. In other words, naturalization only provides for the removal of alienage and not for the creation of citizens within individual States.


Additionally, if the framers merely intended for birth alone on U.S. soil then all would had been necessary was to say the President shall be “native born.”


Could a natural-born citizen perhaps be synonymous with the British term “natural-born subject”?


It is very doubtful the framers adopted the doctrine found under the old English doctrine of “natural-born subject.” The British doctrine allowed for double allegiances, something the founders considered improper.


Framer Rufus King said allegiance to the United States depended on whether a person is a “member of the body politic.” King says no nation should adopt or naturalize a person of another society without the consent of that person. The reason? Because “he ought not silently to be embarrassed with a double allegiance.”


The powers of the general government were limited and defined, preventing Congress from exercising the same kind of sovereignty that Britain had over its claimed dominions within established States of the Union.


Under the old English common law doctrine of natural-born subject, birth itself was an act of naturalization that required no prior consent or demanded allegiance to the nation in advance. Furthermore, birth was viewed as enjoining a “perpetual allegiance” upon all that could never be severed or altered by any change of time or act of anyone. England’s “perpetual allegiance” due from birth was extremely unpopular in this country; often referred to as absurd barbarism, or simply perpetual nonsense. America went to war with England over the doctrine behind “natural-born subject” in June of 1812.


Because Britain considered all who were born within the dominions of the crown to be its natural-born subjects even after becoming naturalized citizens of the United States, led to British vessels blockading American ports. Under the British blockade, every American ship entering or leaving was boarded by soldiers in search of British born subjects. At least 6,000 American citizens who were found to be British natural-born subjects were impressed into military service on behalf of the British Empire, and thus, the reason we went to war.


Fourteenth Amendment


The adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment obviously affects how we view natural-born citizens because for the first time there is a national rule of who may by birth be a citizen of the United States. Who may be born citizens of the States is conditional upon being born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else.”


This national rule prevents us from interpreting natural-born citizen under common law rules because it eliminates the possibility of a child being born with more than one allegiance.


The primary author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob M. Howard, said the “word jurisdiction, as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.”


United States Attorney General, George Williams, whom was a U.S. Senator aligned with Radical Republicans during the drafting of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1866, ruled in 1873 the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment “must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment.” He added, “Political and military rights and duties” do not pertain to anyone else.


Essentially then, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means the same jurisdiction the United States exercises over its own citizens, i.e., only citizens of the United States come within its operation since citizens of the United States do not owe allegiance to some other nation at the same time they do the United States. This makes a great deal of sense for the time because there was a great deal of controversy over conflicts arising from double allegiances. In fact, Congress issued a joint congressional report on June 22, 1874 that said the “United States have not recognized a double allegiance.”


Additionally, how did persons become both citizens and “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States through naturalization? By renouncing all prior allegiances to other nations and by declaring their allegiance to this one in advance of course. Why would “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” be any different with persons born under the Fourteenth Amendment since this jurisdiction applies equally to all who are either born or naturalized?


Fourteenth Amendment framer, Rep. John A. Bingham, argued before the House in 1871 that Dr. John Emilio Houard was a natural-born citizen of the United States. According to Bingham he was a natural-born citizen because he was “born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States” by the “express words of the Constitution, as amended today.” A naturalized male (women became naturalized through their husbands) were required to “absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity” to other nations, and thus, could no longer be said to owe allegiance to anyone but the United States.


Because “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” requires not owing allegiance to any other nation, and because the nation does not recognize double allegiances that can be created at common law, narrows the possibilities to what “natural-born citizen” can mean.


Natural-Born Citizen Defined


One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.


Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.” The first Naturalization Act passed by Congress recognized “natural-born citizens” to be those born beyond the States to resident fathers who were already established citizens of the United States.


The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”


Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” This national law does not endow upon any person allegiance through birth alone as was the custom under the old English common law practice but only recognizes citizenship of those born to parents who owe no allegiance to another nation. In other words, national law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nation’s citizens.


Secretary of State Bayard ruled under Section 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes in 1885 that although Richard Greisser was born in the United States, his father at the time of his birth was a subject of Germany, and thus, Richard Greisser could not be a citizen of the United States. Furthermore, it was held his father was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment.


The constitutional requirement for the President of the United States to be a natural-born citizen had one purpose according to St. George Tucker:

That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to he dreaded more than the plague. The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom. … The title of king, prince, emperor, or czar, without the smallest addition to his powers, would have rendered him a member of the fraternity of crowned heads: their common cause has more than once threatened the desolation of Europe. To have added a member to this sacred family in America, would have invited and perpetuated among us all the evils of Pandora’s Box.


Additionally, Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.”


What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.


Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.


UPDATE:


I came across this interesting speech by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Langdon Cheves, in February of 1814:

The children have a natural attachment to the society in which they are born: being obliged to acknowledge the protection it has granted to their fathers, they are obliged to it in a great measure for their birth and education. … We have just observed that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man born free, the son of a citizen, arrived at years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society for which he was destined by his birth.


Cheves is obviously drawing on the works of Emer de Vattel, Law of Nations. Not something you would expect from the Speaker of the House of a Nation that supposedly adopted England’s common law.


UPDATE II:


Rep. A. Smyth (VA), House of Representatives, December 1820:

When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him.


Savage v. Umphries (TX) 118 S. W. 893, 909:

As a man is a “citizen” of the country to which his father owes allegiance, it was incumbent on one alleging in an election contest that a voter was not a citizen of the United States to show that such voter’s father was not a citizen thereof during his son’s minority.


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Post by: flagadajones on January 09, 2009, 11:04:13 PM
well.

the most powerful and rich businessmen, politics , leftist lobbies and stars in the world wanted him and got him into power years before the election's year even started.

So falsificating some paper stuff wasnt that hard.
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Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
Obama is the best mind in the oval office since......... ever. well maybe thomas jefferson.
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Post by: flagadajones on January 09, 2009, 11:07:56 PM
Obama is the best mind in the oval office since......... ever. well maybe thomas jefferson.

says the unemployed drug addict who enjoys anal penetration.

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Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 11:10:03 PM
says the unemployed drug addict who enjoys anal penetration.


  ::)

somebody post this guys picture. hes about 140lbs at about 5'11''. and NO, im not over exaggertaing to own the dude. seriously. the way "flagada" looks really explains why he is always so negative and hateful in his posts. he truly hates himself and hates life.
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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 11:13:55 PM
Obama is the best mind in the oval office since......... ever. well maybe thomas jefferson.

Yes, I agree Obama seems to have a brilliant mind ... but he has yet to even start his term.... so let's see if you are right?   I HOPE you are right.

Regardless..... if we break the rules on the constitution for this birth place thingie ..... how may more will we break?  Why not just throw the constitution on the fireplace right now?
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Post by: flagadajones on January 09, 2009, 11:16:11 PM
  ::)

somebody post this guys picture. hes about 140lbs at about 5'11''. and NO, im not over exaggertaing to own the dude. seriously. the way "flagada" looks really explains why he is always so negative and hateful in his posts. he truly hates himself and hates life.

It's not my fault if you're mentally unstable, unemployed and post messages describing how you enjoy the feeling of getting anally penetrated by someone's cock.
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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
He spent over $1mil on attorneys because he KNOWS where he was born and it wasn't Hawaii. The lib senate and libs press are covering up to make sure nothing sticks to this guy.

Joe,

FOX News is keeping this big secret, too.

They're part of this major conspiracy now, too?
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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
A few thoughts...

1) If Obama is bounced, you get President Biden, the biggest nightmare for steroids you ever imagined.  Joe, he'll use the Pat act to gather evidence on ya, then waterboard you at a fema camp built with your tax dollars :)

2) The State of Hawaii verified it is real.  If it's not, then you have the biggest conspiracy IN HISTORY OF MANKIND in which an entire US State and federal govt are keeping a big lie, along with every media outlet and everyone in DC not saying somerthing.  Joe, this is the biggest lie in history, and you solved it?  We need a little more proof than your hunch.

3) IF it was proven that Obama violated the Constitution, the Dem congress, with the backing of 54% (or more!) of America would just add an amendment changing it, in about 5 minutes.  Obama's allowed, period.

4) The true reason why we may not be seeing more paperwork is *possibly* that the original paperwork had his religion as that of his father, Muslim, and some ignorant bastards who care more about religious books than the world economy will hate on him for that - even though he chose Christianity as soon as he was old enough to talk.

5) In a year, we will still be treading water like today (If we're lucky) and more likely at 15% real unemployment.  In my opinion, we should be discussing ways to fix the economy - not ways to undermine the one guy the world has faith in to fix this economic mess.
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Post by: tbombz on January 09, 2009, 11:29:47 PM
Yes, I agree Obama seems to have a brilliant mind ... but he has yet to even start his term.... so let's see if you are right?   I HOPE you are right.

Regardless..... if we break the rules on the constitution for this birth place thingie ..... how may more will we break?  Why not just throw the constitution on the fireplace right now?
i dont need to see how his presidency goes to know that he is the best mind weve had in a long time...in the entire politicaql system.

hes a law professor on consitutional law. he actually thinks about constitutional principles and empathyzes with every side of every argument. i am so happy !


hahaha

almost every politician weve had in the last hundred years has not been a politicion at all, just some douchebag with a loud mouth and strong opinions who got elected. no thoughts about governance principles and consitutional principles and what is real role of gov. and what is not..
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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 09, 2009, 11:30:39 PM
Joe,

FOX News is keeping this big secret, too.

They're part of this major conspiracy now, too?


Rob whatever happened to all your threads that Palin had covered for her daughters baby birth?  They all disappeared from Getbig?

Now her daughter HAS had an actual baby?   Come on bro ....fill us in?

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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
obama respects the heck out of the constitition, and is appointing people who were very vocal about the abuses of the constitution for the last 8 years.

You know the pendulum swings back and forth.  Reagan did a lot to stifle rights, set up camps, etc.  Clinton loosened things.  Bush enacted military commission and patriot act, Obama will more certainly repeal or sunset/expire them.  

It's the pendulum, baby.  Dems tax rich, Repubs don't and borrow heavily.  It used to be dems borrowed more, but bush has out-borrowed every pres in history combined.  

Pendulum swings back.  People aren't going to be happy about the economic mess we face for 2-3 years, but they'll see obama working just as hard as the rest of us to fix it.

And the secrets.  You bet your ass they'll come out.  THe fcked up stuff that went down and was auto-classified... whistleblowers and de-classification and the like will come.  You'll see the bill of rights was sodomized for the last 8 years.  Remember they audited the pat act warrantless wiretaps and found that 10% were abuses - so they just stopped auditing ;)

America is going to rebuild.  Then, in 8 or 12 years, they'll get blood lust (and we'll need oil in S. America and African badly) and we'll put an energy guy like Jeb back into officer.  The more things change... ;)
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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
Rob whatever happened to all your threads that Palin had covered for her daughters baby birth?  They all disappeared from Getbig?

Now her daughter HAS had an actual baby?   Come on bro ....fill us in?

Brutal subject change ;)

Grant, if you want to look up the monstrosity of a lie that is her story, go for it.  her water breaks at 4 am friday morning, she hangs out all day at a conference, speaks at 4 pm, flies two planes home, poses for pics at seattle airport looking all skinny (Yes, look it up), then lands in alaska and drive 45 minutes PAST two advanced hospitals to have one with her own doc (in levi's hometown), and the kid's birth certificate doesn't exist, all pics of her skinny for those 9 months deleted from website, all hospital records of her kids don't exist...

yeah, believe whatever you want there.  FIFTH baby, with downs, born premature at 7 months... the baby SLIDES outta there at that point, grant.  Fifth kid - labor is over quick.  Her water breaks at 4 am and she has baby 18 hours and 2 plane rides later..   she's either a liar, or highly irresponsible.  Who cares tho - america spoke and they rejected her.  60% of voters felt palin was unprepared to be VP.  If she covered, who cares, it's her dropout family, let them be as screwed up as they like, none of our concern.

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Post by: MattT on January 09, 2009, 11:43:15 PM
Like everyone else I am really hoping Barrack turns out to be a great President and I give him my full support. However, why is this issue unresolved  ....and why would someone hire three different law firms and spend $1M instead of just producing his birth certificate?

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587 (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587)

And why does Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse to run these ads questioning Barack's eligibility?

What happened to free speech?







You're still falling for this bs? He did all that cause people were questioning his birth certificate. Obamas a laywer he knows his ass is free and clear of any this fake bs ::)

OBAMA IS AMERCIAN HE IS YOUR FRICKEN PRESIDENT LIVE WITH IT! OR MOVE TO RUSSIA!
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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:48:18 PM
my lambo's blue.
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Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2009, 11:50:27 PM
Like everyone else I am really hoping Barrack turns out to be a great President and I give him my full support. However, why is this issue unresolved  ....and why would someone hire three different law firms and spend $1M instead of just producing his birth certificate?

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587 (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85587)

And why does Fox, CNN, MSNBC refuse to run these ads questioning Barack's eligibility?

What happened to free speech?

also - 'free speech'?

Um, if someone put $500k in a pile and asked the networks to run neo-nazi or anti-baby seal ads, would they? 

No.  They have a right to reject any advertiser for any reason they like.  They have no obligation to sell air time to anyone.  There are lots of wacko groups that come up with $ and cause and would love to run it on NBC Primetime.  They have standards for what they'll put on TV.  I'm sure bin laden could afford a few 30-second ads during the super bowl --- should we sell them to him too?
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Post by: MattT on January 09, 2009, 11:51:10 PM
This has even made it to the federal courts and its been thrown out.
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Post by: MattT on January 09, 2009, 11:52:18 PM
It should tell u this shit is bs when FOX wont even air this ::)
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Post by: onlyme on January 10, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
because...

he...

ALREADY PRODUCED HIS GODDAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU PUTZ.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

Yea we are sure it is real.  Why so much controversy over his birth certificate?  Could it be that it is deserving.  I too hope he does great but it is pretty easy to see he was NOT born in Hawaii. 
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Post by: MattT on January 10, 2009, 12:14:48 AM
I appreciate the link.  Interesting stuff.  But then why would people go to the extent of making ad's like the one posted.  The problem is that many witnesses say he was born in Kenya.  That would make him a citizen of Kenya.  His mother may have naturalized him (as Arnold and I have done).... but he was not US born?

He may have an authentic Hawaiian certificate NOW ....but when you are the leading candidate for the Dem's I am sure you have connections to get this stuff done?  It is after all ... just an official piece of paper?  I operated on a fake social and drivers for ages here without any problems .... and I certainly do not have the connections Obama has?


People do this cause they are fucking racists and dont want a black man runnin the country.. Is that so hard for you to understand?.

Oh and how much have these witnesses been paid or threatened to say this shit ::)  Come on you know better.

Grant = RETARD!
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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 10, 2009, 12:16:37 AM
Rob...you are a smart guy....but this post of your sucks bigtime!

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1) If Obama is bounced, you get President Biden, the biggest nightmare for steroids you ever imagined.  Joe, he'll use the Pat act to gather evidence on ya, then waterboard you at a fema camp built with your tax dollars :)

That is not true.  You have no idea how the poilitical allignment is made up and now you are just guessing!  Biden does NOT automatically get the whole next term. And even IF Biden came in and cleaned out steroids ....why would you care if you are all time natural?  I think it would be a great thing!  You and I both would love this...no?


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2) The State of Hawaii verified it is real.  If it's not, then you have the biggest conspiracy IN HISTORY OF MANKIND in which an entire US State and federal govt are keeping a big lie, along with every media outlet and everyone in DC not saying something.  Joe, this is the biggest lie in history, and you solved it?  We need a little more proof than your hunch.

Geeeez Rob... do you think this is the biggest lie in US government history????  We still don't frigging know who killed JFK?? I totally think that this putsy LITTLE lie is something our government would have NO problem covering up?  Come on Rob?  YOU were the one advocating more than anyone that 911 was a government cover-up????  For heavens sake's man....not a single person has ever come forward to admit this 911 conspiracy...(despite the fact that I think it is very possible)

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3) IF it was proven that Obama violated the Constitution, the Dem congress, with the backing of 54% (or more!) of America would just add an amendment changing it, in about 5 minutes.  Obama's allowed, period.

Oh yeah ...and that makes it TOTALLY okay then?  Lets just change the ammendments to suit every new handsome and charismatic President then? Man, I'd like to see how you would accept to NEW gun owning laws ..... what if Obama pushes those through in his first week of office?

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4) The true reason why we may not be seeing more paperwork is *possibly* that the original paperwork had his religion as that of his father, Muslim, and some ignorant bastards who care more about religious books than the world economy will hate on him for that - even though he chose Christianity as soon as he was old enough to talk.

So NOW you are making it a Muslim thing then Rob?  Come on brother?  Stick to the constitution we have set up here in the USA?  The same constitution that lets you own a bunch of guns?  And are you talking about the Christianity that Obama chose when he was married in Rev. Jeremial Wright's Church?  Because that same Rev Wright would probably shoot some bird shot in your ass if your WHITE ass ever came by his church my friend!



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5) In a year, we will still be treading water like today (If we're lucky) and more likely at 15% real unemployment.  In my opinion, we should be discussing ways to fix the economy - not ways to undermine the one guy the world has faith in to fix this economic mess.

You are MISSING the point here Rob.   If Obama lied and bullshitted his way through this issue...... then how can we begin to trust him on ANYTHING else? The trust has been broken.  If your wife lies to you once about something serious ..... anything .... the trust is broken.  

Period.  I rest my case.
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Post by: MattT on January 10, 2009, 12:35:11 AM
Rob...you are a smart guy....but this post of your sucks bigtime!

That is not true.  You have no idea how the poilitical allignment is made up and now you are just guessing!  Biden does NOT automatically get the whole next term. And even IF Biden came in and cleaned out steroids ....why would you care if you are all time natural?  I think it would be a great thing!  You and I both would love this...no?


Geeeez Rob... do you think this is the biggest lie in US government history????  We still don't frigging know who killed JFK?? I totally think that this putsy LITTLE lie is something our government would have NO problem covering up?  Come on Rob?  YOU were the one advocating more than anyone that 911 was a government cover-up????  For heavens sake's man....not a single person has ever come forward to admit this 911 conspiracy...(despite the fact that I think it is very possible)

Oh yeah ...and that makes it TOTALLY okay then?  Lets just change the ammendments to suit every new handsome and charismatic President then? Man, I'd like to see how you would accept to NEW gun owning laws ..... what if Obama pushes those through in his first week of office?

So NOW you are making it a Muslim thing then Rob?  Come on brother?  Stick to the constitution we have set up here in the USA?  The same constitution that lets you own a bunch of guns?  And are you talking about the Christianity that Obama chose when he was married in Rev. Jeremial Wright's Church?  Because that same Rev Wright would probably shoot some bird shot in your ass if your WHITE ass ever came by his church my friend!



You are MISSING the point here Rob.   If Obama lied and bullshitted his way through this issue...... then how can we begin to trust him on ANYTHING else? The trust has been broken.  If your wife lies to you once about something serious ..... anything .... the trust is broken.  

Period.  I rest my case.

Grant so not only Obama would have to be lieing, but the Hawaiian commission that stamped his birth certificate, all his lawyers and the firms that represent him, his whole campaign and, factcheck.org is leing.

Apply Occam's Razor to this scenario

The scientific principle that, all things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the right one."

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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 10, 2009, 12:45:53 AM
Grant so not only Obama would have to be lieing, but the Hawaiian commission that stamped his birth certificate, all his lawyers and the firms that represent him, his whole campaign and, factcheck.org is leing.

Apply Occam's Razor to this scenario

The scientific principle that, all things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the right one."

Obama's lie would be a very small cover up for the Hawaiian Comission.  Trust me when i say i wish it wasn't true.   

But the possible 9/11 cover up was WAY bigger and has stood the test of time.   So has the JFK murder mystery?  Just saying?

(and please don't call me a retard just because I did some research?)
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Post by: HTexan on January 10, 2009, 12:49:17 AM
only ten days left ;)
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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 10, 2009, 12:58:45 AM

Grant = RETARD!

Not kosher dude.  And I'm not even Jewish!
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Post by: marcus on January 10, 2009, 01:57:11 AM
If he had nothing to hide he'd release his original birth certificate.
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Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on January 10, 2009, 02:00:22 AM
If he had nothing to hide he'd release his original birth certificate.

Thanks.  Case closed.
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Post by: Straw Man on January 10, 2009, 09:56:55 AM
I appreciate the link.  Interesting stuff. But then why would people go to the extent of making ad's like the one posted.  The problem is that many witnesses say he was born in Kenya.  That would make him a citizen of Kenya.  His mother may have naturalized him (as Arnold and I have done).... but he was not US born?

He may have an authentic Hawaiian certificate NOW ....but when you are the leading candidate for the Dem's I am sure you have connections to get this stuff done?  It is after all ... just an official piece of paper?  I operated on a fake social and drivers for ages here without any problems .... and I certainly do not have the connections Obama has?


Maybe because the "people" are Janet Porter of Faith2Action.org and contributor to World Net Daily.  She is a certified right wing religious nutjob and anti-abortion zealot.  Here is a little gem she wrote just a week before the election:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79276