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Ergopharm and Patrick Arnold RAIDED BY THE DEA! By anthonyrobertsonline 16 January 2009 in
I have been told by a contact in Boston that they were recently (*yesterday) made aware of a warrant being served on (BALCO Chemist) Patrick Arnold and Ergopharm, by the local branch of the DEA. Details are sketchy right now, but I’m inclined to go with the source I have up in Boston.
Early reports say that it was actually a document warrant served by the Boston Office of the DEA (New England Division) on Patrick Arnold and Ergopharm, his nutritional company. DEA agents were allegedly seen coming out of the company with boxes, possibly of documents (or more)
A document warrant is a type of search warrant that means that the agents who serve the warrant are authorized to look for documents - this doesn’t mean they need to blind themselves to other material on the premises if they believe that there is something illegal about them, but simply that they are authorized to look for (and in) places that normally contain documents.
Patrick Arnold is, of course, the man who synthesized “The Clear” for Victor Conte’s athletes, during the BALCO scandal.
J. Clark Baird, a lawyer in Kentucky who deals in criminal law and additionally represents several supplement companies in various areas of nutritional compliance law explains: “I would say that if a document warrant were served on Ergopharm, it would be in reference to the recent claims by Major League Baseball players testing positive from using Ergopharm supplements…the government is probably looking to make sure the products comply with currently existing guidelines regarding nutritional supplements, and that nothing that shouldn’t be in them (or isn’t on the label) is found on the documents…“
I am told that the local United States Attorney’s office is handling everything, and as of yet, phone calls to their office and the media relations office of the DEA’s New England division have not been returned.
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By anthonyrobertsonline
Sports Supplement Acquisition Group, Inc. (SSAG) has formally announced the closing of their acquisition of ErgoPharm. SSAG is a sales and marketing company that (among other things) acquires brands and companies in the sports performance market.
You may recall that Patrick Arnold, the BALCO Chemist, is the man responsible for ErgoPharm’s product development, which has gotten them national attention in the past month (not all being good).
SSAG closed the deal for ErgoPharm brand from Proviant Technologies on December 10, 2008. During the nine-month period ending September 30, 2008 ErgoPharm’s total sales were $3,151,739 (net profit: $ 645,281).
James Klein, who is now the ErgoPharm CEO has said:
We will be taking over the companies, but leaving most management and staff in place.
We will centralize all of the logistical, production and administrative functions, and allow management to focus on growing their brands.
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Yeah, the DOW certainly reacted at the opening bell :)
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when you read his column, Pat Arnold seems like a really likeable guy.
his life's work is making the human body perform better. You have 20 federal agents working 24/7 to bust him for his work. meanwhile, there are 200,000 home chemists making meth and crack in their kitchen, and nobody gives a shit about it, even though that stuff is on the streets with children.
But hey, as this story shows, picking on a steroid guy gets ya headlines. Busting 50 crack dealers woudl be way better for society as a whole, but who wants to cover that?
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when you read his column, Pat Arnold seems like a really likeable guy.
his life's work is making the human body perform better. You have 20 federal agents working 24/7 to bust him for his work. meanwhile, there are 200,000 home chemists making meth and crack in their kitchen, and nobody gives a shit about it, even though that stuff is on the streets with children.
But hey, as this story shows, picking on a steroid guy gets ya headlines. Busting 50 crack dealers woudl be way better for society as a whole, but who wants to cover that?
Come on 240 you know why. That would be boring and not make nearly as "sexy" of a story.
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"busting" drug dealers is the most pointless thing in the world, like picking a penny out of a pile of 15,000,000,000 pennies, accomplishes absolutely nothing.
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges and PM`s when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
I also had access to their MySpace accounts. 8) They would do business dealings over that as well. haha
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when you read his column, Pat Arnold seems like a really likeable guy.
his life's work is making the human body perform better. You have 20 federal agents working 24/7 to bust him for his work. meanwhile, there are 200,000 home chemists making meth and crack in their kitchen, and nobody gives a shit about it, even though that stuff is on the streets with children.
But hey, as this story shows, picking on a steroid guy gets ya headlines. Busting 50 crack dealers woudl be way better for society as a whole, but who wants to cover that?
Quoted for truth.
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I also had access to their MySpace accounts. 8) They would do business dealings over that as well. haha
that's pretty fucking stupid of them if that's true ;D
but I'd be carefull Adonis, that's some serious allegation you are writing there. :o
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Sports Supplement Acquisition Group took over ErgoPharm in the beginning of Decmeber or so. Their products will have new UPC codes, and new prices as of this month.
Here is the letter...
We take great pleasure in advising you that Proviant’s ErgoPharm business is now part of Sports Supplement Acquisition Group.
Patrick and I, along with the entire Proviant team, will continue to be a big part of ErgoPharm’s future, focusing our efforts on developing innovative new products, and continuing to manufacture the highest quality supplements.
James Klein, CEO of SSAG will be leading ErgoPharm’s efforts into the future.
Best regards,
Lakhan Boodram
President of Proviant Technologies
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Here is the story from the news
Baseball Prospectus reported Thursday that the labs for Erphogram, the pharmacy that produces 6-OXO, the supplement that J.C. Romero claims caused a false positive on the drug tests that got him suspended for 50 games earlier this month, have been raided by the DEA. The BP story is low on details other than noting that the owner of Erphogram is Patrick Arnold, who you likely remember from the BALCO scandal a few years back.
If you're following along at home, that means that Romero is claiming that he took a supplement made by a lab owned by one of the more notorious chemists in the country. That lab has just been raided by the feds, but that the supplement itself just caused a false positive. Not much of a sob story, if you ask me. Still, maybe MLB did yank his chain a bit by banning 6-OXO after he failed his test.
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Ron, call up James Klein or Lakhan Boodram and get us the inside scoop :)
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BY anthonyrobertsonline
If you were one of the mere 50 people who was reading my blog just after 6pm EST yesterday, you were among the first people in the country to learn that Patrick Arnold had his facilities raided. Either Baseball Prospectus or Yahoo!Sports had the story right after me, Dr. Stevens of SteroidsLive was on board very quickly, and the New York Times soon followed. All of those links represent some serious sports journalists doing what they do best, and they’re all great reads.
One of the things that I’ve always loved about the blogosphere is that it is co-operative and not competitive.
Today I’m going to try to flesh out some other details of the story that I didn’t cover yesterday. I think I’ve exhausted the resources of my pal in Boston, but I can still provide a substantial amount of additional information that can be of use to everybody.
Patrick ArnoldThe rumor at this point is that the DEA is attempting to find out whether Patrick Arnold has been spiking his supplements with anything. Allegedly they’re looking for documents or other proof that he’s gotten his hands on some of the materials necessary to spike his 6-OXO with androstenedione or something similar (naturally this is because Major League Baseball is claiming J.C. Romero tested positive for this substance). I’m not sure of the legal status of 6-OXO, but this study conducted in Belgium calls 6-OXO an anabolic steroid, and this study reveals that taking Androstenedione (androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) will result in a urinary metabolite of 6a-OH-androstenedione - and that 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) will actually produce this same metabolite .
So even though you’d test positive by taking 6-OXO, the government may be wanting to check if Patrick is spiking it with andro. This would actually make sense, in a weird way…you’d test positive for Andro even by taking the unspiked product - therefore if Patrick added some Andro into it (illegally), nobody would ever know from a doping test.
Proviant Technologies, Inc.
The other question I’ve been getting is whether or not Proviant Technologies (the company that formerly owned Ergopharm) was also raided. The answer here is logically going to be yes…I’m reasonably sure that Proviant Technologies (formerly known as LPJ Research, and co-owned by Patrick Arnold and Ramlakhan Boodram) was raided also. Proviant lists a P.O. Box as their address, but on the Ergopharm website it is revealed that Proviant/Ergopharm share the same physical address. It is highly likely that the search warrant covered both companies, as they are under the same roof.
Hot Stuff BottleI should note that spiking supplements is nothing new to the nutritional industry. Commonly, nutritional companies will add an unlisted (and often illegal) ingredient to their first batch of a given product. The rumor in the industry has always been that Hot Stuff was spiked with methyltestosterone. Personally I always thought it was spiked with Dianabol. Remember, I’ve had 4 nutritional supplements produced with my name on them, and I know a bit about this industry. Spiking a first batch is very common. You get people to buy it, it gives them great results, and they keep buying it even after you drop the secret ingredient.
RorschachI don’t personally know Patrick (I may have corresponded with him once or twice a couple of years ago), and I certainly don’t know much about his ethics or morals. But I can tell you that more than one person in the supplement industry has heard him say that he’s broke (ErgoPharm had less than $1m in sales last year), and the conjecture is that one spiked batch might be a possibility to boost sales. This isn’t my conjecture, as I wouldn’t presume to know him per se, but it’s a concern that has been voiced by more than one person in the industry. This would ironic, as Patrick has acted as a self-appointed (annointed?) watchman for the supplement industry over the past few years (which in itself is quite a conflict of interest, as it’s the industry he earns his living from).
Of course, I don’t know for sure that the government is looking for evidence of spiking supplements - but it’s a very solid bet at this point. If I get any additional information, I’ll drop it like it’s hot, right into my blog.
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Ergopharm and Patrick Arnold RAIDED BY THE DEA! By anthonyrobertsonline
I have been told by a contact in Boston that they were recently (*yesterday) made aware of a warrant being served on (BALCO Chemist) Patrick Arnold and Ergopharm, by the local branch of the DEA. Details are sketchy right now, but I’m inclined to go with the source I have up in Boston.
Early reports say that it was actually a document warrant served by the Boston Office of the DEA (New England Division) on Patrick Arnold and Ergopharm, his nutritional company. DEA agents were allegedly seen coming out of the company with boxes, possibly of documents (or more)
A document warrant is a type of search warrant that means that the agents who serve the warrant are authorized to look for documents - this doesn’t mean they need to blind themselves to other material on the premises if they believe that there is something illegal about them, but simply that they are authorized to look for (and in) places that normally contain documents.
Patrick Arnold is, of course, the man who synthesized “The Clear” for Victor Conte’s athletes, during the BALCO scandal.
J. Clark Baird, a lawyer in Kentucky who deals in criminal law and additionally represents several supplement companies in various areas of nutritional compliance law explains: “I would say that if a document warrant were served on Ergopharm, it would be in reference to the recent claims by Major League Baseball players testing positive from using Ergopharm supplements…the government is probably looking to make sure the products comply with currently existing guidelines regarding nutritional supplements, and that nothing that shouldn’t be in them (or isn’t on the label) is found on the documents…“
I am told that the local United States Attorney’s office is handling everything, and as of yet, phone calls to their office and the media relations office of the DEA’s New England division have not been returned.
source/link?
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Ergopharm and Patrick Arnold RAIDED BY THE DEA! By anthonyrobertsonline 16 January 2009 in
I have been told by a contact in Boston that they were recently (*yesterday) made aware of a warrant being served on (BALCO Chemist) Patrick Arnold and Ergopharm,
He was never a "Balco chemist." Poor fact checking and or poor use of English. Just more athletes attempting to throw PA under the bus vs take the hit for their own drug use. The "I used tainted supplements and didn't know" excuse it getting really old.
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He was never a "Balco chemist." Poor fact checking and or poor use of English. Just more athletes attempting to throw PA under the bus vs take the hit for their own drug use. The "I used tainted supplements and didn't know" excuse it getting really old.
WHY WILL IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US
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Good - I hope he goes to prison for another long time and gets assfucked until that black semen comes out of his ears and eyes - fuck him
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WHY WILL IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US
Such as? All caps needed? Yelling at my why? Lots of athletes have used the tainted supp excuse think many times to cover up their own drug use, and it's getting old.
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Once the FDA, has it out for your done!!!!!! game over period.Why do you think Victor Conte only sells ZMA, and non pro-hormone like products?Because he is smart.He knows they are watching his every move.Patrick Arnold is a genius, the problem is ,he pushes the envelope with pro-hormones.His hormones are strong, and the FDA knows this.He always stays 1 step ahead of them by creating compounds that arent banned, so its pisses the FDA off.Once the FDA knows you, they watch you like a hawk.They will come to your werehouse every week, and even everyday if they have nothing better to do. Just look at HI-Tech Pharmaceuticals the company that make Lipodrene. They raided there plant and took $5 million worth of Ephedra. They went to the werehouse once a week, and went through all there files and inventory.
When it comes to the FDA, you want to be a ghost, you dont want them to even know you exist. Because if they know you, and they have ANY reason to come and investigate you they will.When they do investigate you, you check everything, I mean everything !!!!
They will go through every box, every file, and you have to let them.If you dont, they they think your hiding something, and that will just bring you more grief.The best thing to do if the FDA comes to visit you, is let them do what they want, and say yes sir, no sir.
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He was never a "Balco chemist." Poor fact checking and or poor use of English. Just more athletes attempting to throw PA under the bus vs take the hit for their own drug use. The "I used tainted supplements and didn't know" excuse it getting really old.
Patrick's biggest problem is his ego and the fact that a lot of things that he does is posted on message boards and etc. Honestly, I'm not going to feel sorry for him because his reputation he's created proceeds him.
Does make me wonder why an athlete would use Patrick's product knowing that he has a reputation of being the CLEAR chemist ????
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Such as? All caps needed? Yelling at my why? Lots of athletes have used the tainted supp excuse think many times to cover up their own drug use, and it's getting old.
I'M NOT YELLING I JUST LIKE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS WILLY...... WELL WHY DON'T YOU AND GREG ZULAK GET RELEVANT AGAIN IN THE INDUSTRY OR GIVE THE ALLUSION YOU ARE THEN COME UP WITH SOME OFF THE WALL BS STORY AND PUT IN MUSCLEMAG
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BOOOOOM
Chocolate lover :-* :-*
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Vince one thing Patrick Arnold is, he is a very good chemist.He wants to make chemical compounds that work.The problem is the FDA, bans everything we create that does work.Vince if it wasnt for guys like Patrick Arnold pushing the envelope, we wouldnt half the pro hormones we have today.What do you want people to use Bee Pollen, Smilax, Saparilla Root??????? None of the shi$# works.People want a natural alaternative to steroids, and thats what Patrick Arnold creates
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Vince one thing Patrick Arnold is, he is a very good chemist.He wants to make chemical compounds that work.The problem is the FDA, bans everything we create that does work.Vince if it wasnt for guys like Patrick Arnold pushing the envelope, we wouldnt half the pro hormones we have today.What do you want people to use Bee Pollen, Smilax, Saparilla Root??????? None of the shi$# works.People want a natural alaternative to steroids, and thats what Patrick Arnold creates
PATRICK ARNOLD WAS ALSO INVOLVED WITH OSMO AND THATS GOING WAY BACK
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Vince one thing Patrick Arnold is, he is a very good chemist.He wants to make chemical compounds that work.The problem is the FDA, bans everything we create that does work.Vince if it wasnt for guys like Patrick Arnold pushing the envelope, we wouldnt half the pro hormones we have today.What do you want people to use Bee Pollen, Smilax, Saparilla Root??????? None of the shi$# works.People want a natural alaternative to steroids, and thats what Patrick Arnold creates
I never said he wasn't a good chemist, I know his Andro Spray he had worked great for me. However, he goes out and post everything that he's doing right on the internet, in discussion boards, etc.
The Feds is a big giant telescope that is pointed straight at him 24/7 so he really needs to keep his typing hands closed and his mouth shut if he manages to get out of this one. Those lawyer fees have to be eating him up and I know that he doesn't have much money left after legal fees and etc.
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges and PM`s when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
so you were the True Adonis on there as well
I knew there could have not been 2 TAs raising hell every where ;D
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges and PM`s when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
YOU COULD BE ON TO SOMETHING...... IF YOU RIGHT CLICK AND GO TO VIEW IMAGE U CAN SEE IT BETTER
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges and PM`s when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
you are a liar.
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I'M NOT YELLING I JUST LIKE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS WILLY...... WELL WHY DON'T YOU AND GREG ZULAK GET RELEVANT AGAIN IN THE INDUSTRY OR GIVE THE ALLUSION YOU ARE THEN COME UP WITH SOME OFF THE WALL BS STORY AND PUT IN MUSCLEMAG
AR - if you have a personal issue with Will bring it to him, not on a public forum, where are your ethics man?
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WELL THANK YOU CONDOLEEZZA RICE...... HE'S NOT DENYING ALL THE FALSE CRAP HIM AND GREG ZULAK MADE UP IN THE 90'S.
AR - if you have a personal issue with Will bring it to him, not on a public forum, where are your ethics man?
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BY anthonyrobertsonline
If you were one of the mere 50 people who was reading my blog just after 6pm EST yesterday, you were among the first people in the country to learn that Patrick Arnold had his facilities raided. Either Baseball Prospectus or Yahoo!Sports had the story right after me, Dr. Stevens of SteroidsLive was on board very quickly, and the New York Times soon followed. All of those links represent some serious sports journalists doing what they do best, and they’re all great reads.
One of the things that I’ve always loved about the blogosphere is that it is co-operative and not competitive.
Today I’m going to try to flesh out some other details of the story that I didn’t cover yesterday. I think I’ve exhausted the resources of my pal in Boston, but I can still provide a substantial amount of additional information that can be of use to everybody.
Patrick ArnoldThe rumor at this point is that the DEA is attempting to find out whether Patrick Arnold has been spiking his supplements with anything. Allegedly they’re looking for documents or other proof that he’s gotten his hands on some of the materials necessary to spike his 6-OXO with androstenedione or something similar (naturally this is because Major League Baseball is claiming J.C. Romero tested positive for this substance). I’m not sure of the legal status of 6-OXO, but this study conducted in Belgium calls 6-OXO an anabolic steroid, and this study reveals that taking Androstenedione (androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) will result in a urinary metabolite of 6a-OH-androstenedione - and that 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) will actually produce this same metabolite .
So even though you’d test positive by taking 6-OXO, the government may be wanting to check if Patrick is spiking it with andro. This would actually make sense, in a weird way…you’d test positive for Andro even by taking the unspiked product - therefore if Patrick added some Andro into it (illegally), nobody would ever know from a doping test.
Proviant Technologies, Inc.
The other question I’ve been getting is whether or not Proviant Technologies (the company that formerly owned Ergopharm) was also raided. The answer here is logically going to be yes…I’m reasonably sure that Proviant Technologies (formerly known as LPJ Research, and co-owned by Patrick Arnold and Ramlakhan Boodram) was raided also. Proviant lists a P.O. Box as their address, but on the Ergopharm website it is revealed that Proviant/Ergopharm share the same physical address. It is highly likely that the search warrant covered both companies, as they are under the same roof.
Hot Stuff BottleI should note that spiking supplements is nothing new to the nutritional industry. Commonly, nutritional companies will add an unlisted (and often illegal) ingredient to their first batch of a given product. The rumor in the industry has always been that Hot Stuff was spiked with methyltestosterone. Personally I always thought it was spiked with Dianabol. Remember, I’ve had 4 nutritional supplements produced with my name on them, and I know a bit about this industry. Spiking a first batch is very common. You get people to buy it, it gives them great results, and they keep buying it even after you drop the secret ingredient.
RorschachI don’t personally know Patrick (I may have corresponded with him once or twice a couple of years ago), and I certainly don’t know much about his ethics or morals. But I can tell you that more than one person in the supplement industry has heard him say that he’s broke (ErgoPharm had less than $1m in sales last year), and the conjecture is that one spiked batch might be a possibility to boost sales. This isn’t my conjecture, as I wouldn’t presume to know him per se, but it’s a concern that has been voiced by more than one person in the industry. This would ironic, as Patrick has acted as a self-appointed (annointed?) watchman for the supplement industry over the past few years (which in itself is quite a conflict of interest, as it’s the industry he earns his living from).
Of course, I don’t know for sure that the government is looking for evidence of spiking supplements - but it’s a very solid bet at this point. If I get any additional information, I’ll drop it like it’s hot, right into my blog.
anthony roberts is a fucking moron.
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I never said he wasn't a good chemist, I know his Andro Spray he had worked great for me. However, he goes out and post everything that he's doing right on the internet, in discussion boards, etc.
The Feds is a big giant telescope that is pointed straight at him 24/7 so he really needs to keep his typing hands closed and his mouth shut if he manages to get out of this one. Those lawyer fees have to be eating him up and I know that he doesn't have much money left after legal fees and etc.
Vince nothing worked well for you. Stay off this thread and quit acting like you know something inside about what Patrick does. Your just a confused cocksmoking brother
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Vince nothing worked well for you. Stay off this thread and quit acting like you know something inside about what Patrick does. Your just a confused cocksmoking brother
Who are you to even address me, junior???? Go find your momma
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Who are you to even address me, junior???? Go find your momma
BING BANG BOOM
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AR - if you have a personal issue with Will bring it to him, not on a public forum, where are your ethics man?
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WRONG MY PERSONAL ISSIUE WITH WILL IS THAT HE IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST.
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I'M NOT YELLING I JUST LIKE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS WILLY...... WELL WHY DON'T YOU AND GREG ZULAK GET RELEVANT AGAIN IN THE INDUSTRY OR GIVE THE ALLUSION YOU ARE THEN COME UP WITH SOME OFF THE WALL BS STORY AND PUT IN MUSCLEMAG
wolfy can you elaborate on this story?
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He was never a "Balco chemist." Poor fact checking and or poor use of English. Just more athletes attempting to throw PA under the bus vs take the hit for their own drug use. The "I used tainted supplements and didn't know" excuse it getting really old.
Exactly.
PA is not stupid enough to spike supplements with a controlled substance after he just got out of hot water. It makes NO sense economically and cross-contamination is also out. Its just incredibly stupid to think this shit even still happens. No company is going to try this these days. It's idiots on the internet and urban legend that keeps it going. Then you have depserate athletes blaiming anything they can.
They made an example out of PA the first time. He simply advised/created a designer steroid for BALCO. It's not like he co-founded BALCO to make money breaking the law. He was doing the same thing many supplement companies are still doing this very day. He probably regrets the day he ever did work for BALCO. He's been breaking new ground his whole career (Andro). He did again with THG. It's not like he was Bond's drug dealer. The entire thing was just really silly and I felt sorry for him. For example, PheraPlex was basically DMT and structurally almost the same thing Bonds was taking (THG, the clear) at one point. It was being sold legally (and still is under various names) all over the country for years and was at the same time the DEA and Media were fucking with PA's life. It was hilarious to me that the nation was captivated with Bonds and Balco but equivalent compounds were being sold on shelves of supplements stores and online. There are still tons of companies legally selling designer steroids like DMT and THG right now. They arent being chastised by media and DEA? PA could have easily made tons selling numerous types of designer pro-hormones legally under his ErgoPharm brand but he never did. That shows PA's true character. PA is not the boogieman he was made out to be by media. He's not some mad scientist selling steroids to athletes and corrupting competition with test evading substances. But that definitely made a juicy story. He simply happens to be one of the leading experts in this area. Now, athletes (and their lawyers) are wising up and realizing that pointing the finger at a supplement company owned by a guy who was crucified in the media as a steroid designer might actually work. Sadly, it appears the DEA is that stupid. PA is probably already on their shit list as well. PA is not dumb enough to get in trouble again with this. He knows hes going to be watched forever now.
As for TA's claims of seeing activity in PA and DP's private messages relating to selling designer steroids, who knows. I'm not sure I believe TA and its very surprising that PA would be conversing with DP about a new designer steroid that he wanted to put out. Everyone knows that forum PM and inbox systems are not that secure. I find it hard to believe. He would call DP or use encrypted email. Even then, its unlikely as he knows hes a marked man. I really don't know why TA would make up such a outlandish story though either. It SO outlandish that it almost makes it seem more true. Surely TA wouldn't be dumb enough to make up a story like that and expect it to sound believable?
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Exactly.
PA is not stupid enough to spike supplements with a controlled substance after he just got out of hot water. It makes NO sense economically and cross-contamination is also out. Its just incredibly stupid to think this shit even still happens. No company is going to try this these days. It's idiots on the internet and urban legend that keeps it going. Then you have depserate athletes blaiming anything they can.
They made an example out of PA the first time. He simply advised/created a designer steroid for BALCO. It's not like he co-founded BALCO to make money breaking the law. He was doing the same thing many supplement companies are still doing this very day. He probably regrets the day he ever did work for BALCO. He's been breaking new ground his whole career (Andro). He did again with THG. It's not like he was Bond's drug dealer. The entire thing was just really silly and I felt sorry for him. For example, PheraPlex was basically DMT and structurally almost the same thing Bonds was taking (THG, the clear) at one point. It was being sold legally (and still is under various names) all over the country for years and was at the same time the DEA and Media were fucking with PA's life. It was hilarious to me that the nation was captivated with Bonds and Balco but equivalent compounds were being sold on shelves of supplements stores and online. There are still tons of companies legally selling designer steroids like DMT and THG right now. They arent being chastised by media and DEA? PA could have easily made tons selling numerous types of designer pro-hormones legally under his ErgoPharm brand but he never did. That shows PA's true character. PA is not the boogieman he was made out to be by media. He's not some mad scientist selling steroids to athletes and corrupting competition with test evading substances. But that definitely made a juicy story. He simply happens to be one of the leading experts in this area. Now, athletes (and their lawyers) are wising up and realizing that pointing the finger at a supplement company owned by a guy who was crucified in the media as a steroid designer might actually work. Sadly, it appears the DEA is that stupid. PA is probably already on their shit list as well. PA is not dumb enough to get in trouble again with this. He knows hes going to be watched forever now.
As for TA's claims of seeing activity in PA and DP's private messages relating to selling designer steroids, who knows. I'm not sure I believe TA and its very surprising that PA would be conversing with DP about a new designer steroid that he wanted to put out. Everyone knows that forum PM and inbox systems are not that secure. I find it hard to believe. He would call DP or use encrypted email. Even then, its unlikely as he knows hes a marked man. I really don't know why TA would make up such a outlandish story though either. It SO outlandish that it almost makes it seem more true. Surely TA wouldn't be dumb enough to make up a story like that and expect it to sound believable?
I screen captured a lot of the things and saved them to disk. I will see if I can`t get some stuff up for you.
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Another funny PM exchange I read was between Gregg Valentino and Dave. Gregg PMed Dave asking what could his 13 year old nephew take to get bigger and what kind of GH dose should he be on. Dave then freely gave dosage advice to Gregg for his 13 year old relative.
On Dave`s Myspace, he would get a TON of requests for steroid advice and surprisingly most was from Women, Figure and and Bodybuilders. He would freely give out this advice. I still have some of that stuff saved too. Sad but true.
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Another funny PM exchange I read was between Gregg Valentino and Dave. Gregg PMed Dave asking what could his 13 year old nephew take to get bigger and what kind of GH dose should he be on. Dave then freely gave dosage advice to Gregg for his 13 year old relative.
On Dave`s Myspace, he would get a TON of requests for steroid advice and surprisingly most was from Women, Figure and and Bodybuilders. He would freely give out this advice. I still have some of that stuff saved too. Sad but true.
Let's see it.
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MAN I USED TO TAKE 5 CAPSULES A DAY
Supplement Name: ERGOPHARM 1-AD
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For best results while using Ergopharm 1-AD you need to follow a good mass building diet and training program. Ergopharm 1-AD will provide the hormones to make it happen, it's up to you to provide the stimulus and the fuel to ensure that it does. Get the best possible results from 1-AD, exercise and eat right - the results you'll receive will amaze you.
ERGOPHARM 1-AD BENEFITS:
* High oral activity from Ergopharm 1-AD, conversion to a hormone 700% more potent than testosterone,
* Absolutely NO aromatization to estrogens natural and safe! There can be no argument that Ergopharm 1-AD is the ultimate prohormone!
ERGOPHARM 1-AD DIRECTIONS:
Ergopharm 1-AD is for Oral Use Only. As A Dietary Supplement, Take 1-2 Ergopharm 1-AD Capsules 3 Times Daily With Food. Do Not Break Open Ergopharm 1-AD Capsules. Do Not Exceed Recommended Ergopharm 1-AD Dosage.
ERGOPHARM 1-AD NOTES:
Consult with your physician before using Ergopharm 1-AD. Do not take Ergopharm 1-AD if you have prostate hypertrophy. Ergopharm 1-AD is not recommended for persons under the age of 18. Keep Ergopharm 1-AD out of reach of children.
ERGOPHARM 1-AD BACKGROUND:
Let's put it all together and see what 1-AD has to offer:
# High oral activity with Ergopharm 1-AD
# Ergopharm 1-AD's conversion to a hormone 700% more potent than testosterone
# Ergopharm 1-AD has absolutely NO aromatization to estrogens
# Ergopharm 1-AD is natural and safe
There can be no argument that Ergopharm 1-AD is the ultimate prohormone. Believe us, there simply are no natural compounds out there that can come close to what 1-AD does, so don’t even bother looking.
ERGOPHARM 1-AD INGREDIENTS:
1-androstene-3beta,17beta-diol...100mg. Other Ergopharm 1-AD ingredients: micro crystalline cellulose.
I loved that stuff :D
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fucking delusional
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Another funny PM exchange I read was between Gregg Valentino and Dave. Gregg PMed Dave asking what could his 13 year old nephew take to get bigger and what kind of GH dose should he be on. Dave then freely gave dosage advice to Gregg for his 13 year old relative.
On Dave`s Myspace, he would get a TON of requests for steroid advice and surprisingly most was from Women, Figure and and Bodybuilders. He would freely give out this advice. I still have some of that stuff saved too. Sad but true.
JOHNNY WANTS HIS BAGELS - NOW!
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YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR WRONG MY PERSONAL ISSIUE WITH WILL IS THAT HE IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST.
Never to me or nyone that I know, he is known as a straight shooter. If your experiences are different, than we have different experiences, I respect Will.
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I know for a FACT Patrick Arnold was back to his old games. I know this because when I had access to the MD Administrators Forum and then to Dave P`s account, I read all of their exchanges and PM`s when Arnold and he were on house arrest. They were discussing where and how to move what product next. There was enough info to sink both of them for a long time.
Personally I think they should be left alone. All Drugs should be legalized.
I'd have to disagree. Decriminalization is one thing...outright legalization is insane when it comes to heroin, crack,meth, PCP/LSD, etc.
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I'd have to disagree. Decriminalization is one thing...outright legalization is insane when it comes to heroin, crack,meth, PCP/LSD, etc.
meth is a prescription drug
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PATRICK ARNOLD WAS ALSO INVOLVED WITH OSMO AND THATS GOING WAY BACK
First prohormone brand I tried back in the day, good product, b&w labels hahaha.
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First prohormone brand I tried back in the day, good product, b&w labels hahaha.
ME TOO MAN THOSE WERE THE DAYS A LOT OF THE YOUNG KIDS HERE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MISSED. MY DAD USED TO BUY ME A BOTTLE OF EVERY MONTH I USED TO EAT REAL PROHORMONES LIKE TIC TACKS
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ME TOO MAN THOSE WERE THE DAYS A LOT OF THE YOUNG KIDS HERE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MISSED. MY DAD USED TO BUY ME A BOTTLE OF EVERY MONTH I USED TO EAT REAL PROHORMONES LIKE TIC TACKS
;D
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;D
http://www.supplementking.co.uk/testosterone-support-page-full_list.html
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The other PH I remember being good was from IronTek called NorTek. Had all the goodies in it.
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haha Andro is what fuked my endocrine system up..
I used to buy and drop like tic tacs to..Didnt really think of "sides" as I was buying it from a health food store so it couldnt possibly be "bad" for me ;D
And ergopharm 1ad was the best one I ever tryed..
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VPX HAD SOME CRAZY STUFF BACK IN THE DAY BUT THIS IS WHAT I USE NOW AND IT WORKS GREAT PharmaGenX FiniGenX Magnum, 240cc
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Catabolism is the set of metabolic pathways that break down molecules into smaller units. In this process, large molecules such as polysaccharides, fatty acids, nucleic acids and proteins are broken down into monomeric units (i.e. monosaccarides, carbon units, nucleotides and amino acids, respectively). For optimum results, you want to encourage catabolism of polysaccharides, fatty acids (good catabolism) while discouraging catabolism of nucleotides and amino acids (bad catabolism). Cortisol, the catabolic hormone that breaks down nucleic acids and proteins, is responsible for bad catabolism.
Epinephrine plays a central role in the short-term stress reaction—the physiological response. Epinephrine is the main Good Catabolic. It elevates the blood sugar level by increasing catalysis of glycogen to glucose in the liver. At the same time it begins the breakdown of lipids in fat cells.
It is counterproductive to have anabolic and bad catabolic processes occurring in cells simultaneously, so there are many signals that switch on anabolic processes while switching off catabolic processes. Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP) acts as a way for cells to transfer energy released by good catabolism to the energy-requiring reactions that make up anabolism.
Actions and Purpose:
Finigenx Magnum 10% Liposomal Solution helps create the perfect anabolic environment by providing enough ATP to fuel anabolic reactions. This encourages the catabolism of fatty acids and polysaccharides, while discouraging the break down of nucleic acids and proteins.
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Serving Size 4 Milliliter
Servings Per Container 60
Amount Per Serving
Total Calories 4
Finigenx Magnum Proprietary Blend 402mg
3b-Acetoxyandrost-5-En-7,17-Dione
LipoSol-DHEA™ (DHEA)
Adenylpyrophosphoric Acid Disodium
5-Androstene-3b,7b,17b-Triol
Oleic Acid
Phosphatidylserine
Phosphatidylcholine
Phosphatidylethanolamine
Phosphatidylinositol
Phosphatidic Acid
Caprylic Triglycerides
Capric Triglycerides
FiniGenX Magnum Other Ingredients
Purified Water, Glycerin USP, Propylene Glycol, Lecithin, Polysorbate 80, Sorbitan Monostearate, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Xanthan Gum, Guar Gum, Sodium Alginate, Artificial Colors, FD&C Blue #1, Phosphoric Acid, Sucralose, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Turmeric (Curcuma Longa) Foam Control Agent.
FiniGenX Magnum Suggested Use
As a dietary supplement, take 4ml (or a maximum of 6ml) twice daily. Take dosages 8 hrs. apart.