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I know there are some good ones and bad ones out there.
Bobby Heenans books are good.
"wrestlers are like seagulls " By J.J. Dillion is a good one.
Bert Hart and Chris Jerico also have good books out.
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Mick Foley's books are also great.
I've been meaning to get the books you listed, Karl.
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Mick Foley's books are also great.
I've been meaning to get the books you listed, Karl.
They are good
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Any of you read Diana Hart's book? I don't know how much of it is true, but there was some crazy stuff in there.
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The WWE books seem very censored except for Batistas
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Any of you read Diana Hart's book? I don't know how much of it is true, but there was some crazy stuff in there.
I heard it's bull shit
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I have Stone Cold's book.- pretty interesting read.
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I have Foley's first book on audio
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Ring of Hell was a good book, but you have to take it with a grain of salt IMO.
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The death of WcW is a pretty good read as is Dave Meltzers tributes books which are bascially books that cover the lives of past wrestlers from Bruiser Brody, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith and also Brian Billman and Rick Rude.
Very much worth a read.
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Wrestling with out shadows / DVD.
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RIC Flair - To be the man
Jerry Lawler - Its Good to be King
Bret Hart's book and Mick Foleys First book "have a nice day"
These are required reading for any true fan
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Shawn Michaels also has a book out. I've read a few chapters. It's ok not great
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"Bobby the Brain: Wrestling’s Bad Boy Tells All" by Ray Heenan
"Chair Shots" also by Heenan
"In the Pit With Piper" by Roddy Piper
"I Ain’t Got Time to Bleed" by Jesse Ventura
"Pure Dynamite" by Tom Billington (a.k.a. Dynamite Kid)
"Have a Nice Day" by Mick Foley
I tend to gravitate towards books NOT authored by current stars, as they tend to sugarcoat and kiss ass to maintain good business relationships.
Every book is slanted and biased one way or another, but Heenan’s seem to be the fairest.
He doesn’t want to work anymore, has a good relationship with the McMahon’s, but doesn’t rely on anyone for anything, so there’s no ass kissing. And his writing style is hillarious.
Piper – in typical Hot Rod fashion – writes a good bit of his book in character, which is a bit irritating at times (such as when he wrestles the bear). At the time he was not working for Vince, and had some very nasty things to say about him. Of course a few months later Vince booked him in an tag team angle with Flair.
Jesse Ventura’s book deals with a lot of politics, as he wrote it while serving as Governor of MN. His wrestling memoirs are pretty interesting.
Dynamite Kid is extremely candid and lets loose on everyone and everything, especially his cousin Davey Boy. Dyno worked the wildly popular 80’s and has lots of stories focusing on cocaine, steroids, pain killers, etc. Lots of accounts of working in Japan, Canada, and WWF.
Talks in depth about Vince, the Harts, Davey Boy Smith, Brutus Beefcake, Macho Man & Elizabeth, Tiger Mask (Sayama), and a whole slew of others.
This is my favorite book.
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Great book for me titled the heels.More history on the buisness the way it is suppose to be.
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Great book for me titled the heels.More history on the buisness the way it is suppose to be.
I have read most of that my old man is in there
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To the guys that have read a lot of them, I've only read Hogan's book and want to read more, call it nostalgia.. I've read all the bad boy rock books out there ie. hammer of the gods, slash's book, nikki sixx heroin diaries, etc.
what are the best wrestling books out there? which ones are boring and which oness are full of good stuff?
thanks
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Pure Dynamite - by Tom “Dynamite Kid” Billington
Bobby the Brain: Wrestling’s Bad Boy Tells All - by Bobby Heenan (very entertaining read; esp if you like Heenan)
I Ain’t Got Time To Bleed - by Jesse Ventura
Both of Mick Foley’s autobiographies, but especially the first one
In the Pit With Piper - by Roddy Piper (I have mixed feelings about this one)
Hitman - by Bret Hart
There are others, but these are among my favorites.
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To the guys that have read a lot of them, I've only read Hogan's book and want to read more, call it nostalgia.. I've read all the bad boy rock books out there ie. hammer of the gods, slash's book, nikki sixx heroin diaries, etc.
what are the best wrestling books out there? which ones are boring and which oness are full of good stuff?
thanks
Bret Hart's book & Dynamite Kid's book are good. They both get into the juicy stuff behind the curtain including drugs, partying, women, politics, etc.
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Awesome! thanks for the prompt reply guys :)
going to Indigo to grab them! I love the behind the scenes stuff, way more actually then the in ring stuff..
I got this idea after I read that Animal was writing a book.
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Flair's book is a good read too.
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Flair's book is a good read too.
Does he write any of it in character?
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Bobby Heenan's book was a fun read, too. Hitman is my favorite of the past several years, though.
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Bobby Heenan's book was a fun read, too. Hitman is my favorite of the past several years, though.
Which one did you read?
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Both of Mick Foley’s autobiographies, but especially the first one
Foley's first book is the standard.
Piper's was good at showing how the promoters manipulate wrestlers.
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Bobby Heenan's book was a fun read, too. Hitman is my favorite of the past several years, though.
Anything Bobby Heenan does is gold.
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Foley's first book is the standard.
Piper's was good at showing how the promoters manipulate wrestlers.
Oh, yeah; Have a Nice Day started it all.
There were maybe six or so top WWF players who were contracted to write books, and through some unexpected turn of events, Foley’s ended up being first - and IMO, the best.
There’s lots of interesting history, too, about obstacles they faced in publishing the book, and the fact that he didn’t use a ghostwriter.
My only gripe with Piper’s book is that he wrote so much of it in kayfabe.
There’s no need, I don’t think fans today want that, and I believe it damages his credibility a bit.
QED: Heenan writes about how they used to wrestle a bear in some of the Northwest territories. He mentioned how the bear was trained to react to certain things, and also how - as a rib - they used to apply honey to the ass of rookies’ trunks so that the bear would go after it.
On the other hand, Piper’s account of wrestling the bear was literally like, “That huge bear was trying to kill me!”
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Oh, yeah; Have a Nice Day started it all.
There were maybe six or so top WWF players who were contracted to write books, and through some unexpected turn of events, Foley’s ended up being first - and IMO, the best.
There’s lots of interesting history, too, about obstacles they faced in publishing the book, and the fact that he didn’t use a ghostwriter.
My only gripe with Piper’s book is that he wrote so much of it in kayfabe.
There’s no need, I don’t think fans today want that, and I believe it damages his credibility a bit.
QED: Heenan writes about how they used to wrestle a bear in some of the Northwest territories. He mentioned how the bear was trained to react to certain things, and also how - as a rib - they used to apply honey to the ass of rookies’ trunks so that the bear would go after it.
On the other hand, Piper’s account of wrestling the bear was literally like, “That huge bear was trying to kill me!”
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WTF :o
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Does he write any of it in character?
As best I can remember, it's more of a behind the scenes and talks a lot about road travels, etc.... It also gets very personal about his insecurities, etc...
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Flair's book is a good read too.
flair's book and superstar billy graham's also.
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WTF :o
Yeah.
Anytime a new and/or young guy came into the territory, one person was assigned to go to the local McDonalds & get a bunch of packets of honey to bring to the venue.
The guys would open the packs and lace their hands with it.
Then, right before the rookie went out for his big match with Ted (the bear), the guys would all pat him on his ass - similar to the way football players do.
Well, as soon as the bear smelled the honey, he went for it.
He’d often pin the guy to the mat, trapping him.
The poor guy usually panicked and screamed bloody murder, thinking he was about to be mauled as the bear just continued harmlessly licking his ass.
The fans found it hilarious.
It was a perfect rib!
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Yeah.
Anytime a new and/or young guy came into the territory, one person was assigned to go to the local McDonalds & get a bunch of packets of honey to bring to the venue.
The guys would open the packs and lace their hands with it.
Then, right before the rookie went out for his big match with Ted (the bear), the guys would all pat him on his ass - similar to the way football players do.
Well, as soon as the bear smelled the honey, he went for it.
He’d often pin the guy to the mat, trapping him.
The poor guy usually panicked and screamed bloody murder, thinking he was about to be mauled as the bear just continued harmlessly licking his ass.
The fans found it hilarious.
It was a perfect rib!
That's insane! Can you imagine if that bear went a-wall and just started tearing the guy apart? I wonder if any accidents happened as a result.
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That's insane! Can you imagine if that bear went a-wall and just started tearing the guy apart? I wonder if any accidents happened as a result.
No, not that’s been documented, anyway.
They usually had the bear’s handler/trainer on hand along with plenty of tranquilizers just in case.
As it should be, too.
Animals are unpredictable; look at the queers in Las Vegas.
The tiger they’d had & raised since birth went for the jugular!
Animals are meant to harvest.
They are meant to be made into food and nice jackets.
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No, not that’s been documented, anyway.
They usually had the bear’s handler/trainer on hand along with plenty of tranquilizers just in case.
As it should be, too.
Animals are unpredictable; look at the queers in Las Vegas.
The tiger they’d had & raised since birth went for the jugular!
Animals are meant to harvest.
They are meant to be made into food and nice jackets.
Lol...I hear you! Thats like that kid in Indonesia with the pet 27ft Burmese python. Kid had it his whole life, partents said and did nothing....didn't care. Snake grows....kid goes missing.....large lump found in sleeping snake.
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Lol...I hear you! Thats like that kid in Indonesia with the pet 27ft Burmese python. Kid had it his whole life, partents said and did nothing....didn't care. Snake grows....kid goes missing.....large lump found in sleeping snake.
Yeah, but animals are "people," too.
FUCK YOU, PETA!!!
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No, not that’s been documented, anyway.
They usually had the bear’s handler/trainer on hand along with plenty of tranquilizers just in case.
As it should be, too.
Animals are unpredictable; look at the queers in Las Vegas.
The tiger they’d had & raised since birth went for the jugular!
Animals are meant to harvest.
They are meant to be made into food and nice jackets.
tranquilizers?!?! I'd have a godamn M60 pointed at that thing at all times.
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Bear meat is very greasy & fatty, but can be quite tasty when prepared right.
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Bear meat is very greasy & fatty, but can be quite tasty when prepared right.
i grew up around bear hunting and eating......you are right, the key is to cook it and pour the fat off several times. Makes a really good stew.
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I've found that most people who dislike wild game meats do so because they've never experienced it in a good recipe.
Deer & turkey are among my favorites, but both really suck if you don't prepare them properly.
Still, with some people, it's psychological.
My Mum prepares all kinds of dishes with wild game for my Dad, my Uncles, and me, but she won't touch it herself at the dinner table.
She claims she doesn't like it, but she's eaten it by accident on a few occasions - usually in things like rigatoni or chilli - and she'll go on & on about how damn good it is until somebody tells her what she's eating.
Not another bite after that.
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I've found that most people who dislike wild game meats do so because they've never experienced it in a good recipe.
Deer & turkey are among my favorites, but both really suck if you don't prepare them properly.
Still, with some people, it's psychological.
My Mum prepares all kinds of dishes with wild game for my Dad, my Uncles, and me, but she won't touch it herself at the dinner table.
She claims she doesn't like it, but she's eaten it by accident on a few occasions - usually in things like rigatoni or chilli - and she'll go on & on about how damn good it is until somebody tells her what she's eating.
Not another bite after that.
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It's always funny when that happens.....haha.....my mom did that to my brothers wife, I think it was deer and she raved about how good it was. She still thinks it was a beef cut... ;D
I grew up with my mom c oking all types of game....I've had squirrel gravy, groundhog (which sucked) and rabbit on a regular basis.....yes I was/am a hillbilly ! 8)
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It's always funny when that happens.....haha.....my mom did that to my brothers wife, I think it was deer and she raved about how good it was. She still thinks it was a beef cut... ;D
I grew up with my mom c oking all types of game....I've had squirrel gravy, groundhog (which sucked) and rabbit on a regular basis.....yes I was/am a hillbilly ! 8)
You F*****N guys are makingmy hungry now. :(
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You F*****N guys are makingmy hungry now. :(
Hunting season just began... good timing!
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Hunting season just began... good timing!
I got a craving for deer. :)
My uncles are going up north to kill a couple. They are serious hunters.
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Do they do their own butchering?
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Do they do their own butchering?
They split it up between four of them and gut it on the spot. Then my aunt makes a stew out of it and it is amazing with fresh bread.
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One of my fav ways to fix venison was lightly breaded and cut into smaller nuggets. It was delicious.
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True about Race....but i think thats because they were scared shitless of Harley, not necessarily that they don't respect Flair.
Someone should come out with a book that is nothing but the road stories. That would be an awesome read !!!!
Supposedly Dutch Mantel has a book or 2 that is an interesting read.
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Supposedly Dutch Mantel has a book or 2 that is an interesting read.
I'll keep an eye out for those. Thanks.
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Supposedly Dutch Mantel has a book or 2 that is an interesting read.
Hey, I hope you don't mind...
I moved your post to the books thread, which I just stickied, to give it a good bump.
I try to cycle different threads up top to catch the eyes of our regular posters and the casual passers-by.
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i read several, and i liked bret harts book the best,couple stories in there about his dad and reg park.
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Some of them are available (with some pages missing) on google books. No surprise Mick Foleys aren't.
I went looking for wrestling books a while back here in Oz but they are insanely expensive here. Not paying $45 for a paperback book.
I've read "If They Only Knew" by Chyna. Found it a good read although it foreshadows the weirdness with XPac with the benefit of hindsight. It was cool how protective the other wrestlers were towards her and highlighted the grunginess backstage compared to the glamour once they hit the lights. She portrays that desperation some wrestlers showed when they sat and waited for the story lines to remember them and how depressed they were when they weren't. She is rather mean about Killer Kowalski who's wrestling school she attended. Paints him as a stingy character all about the money, who wouldn't spring for heating in winter with a backyard ring that was hard as anything. I really connected with her description of how spiteful they other students were towards her when they sparred. I've done some martial arts, and as the only female was hurt a few times by wannabes trying to be Bruce Lee. I remember the spite they had towards women. I don't think wrestling is kind to women unless someone with clout is shagging them. We all saw Chyna's status once her fiance moved on to the bosses daughter. That said, I don't think Stephanie has too much fun either, hence the meaner than usual backstage vibe during her tenure.
Chyna describes her matches and what they meant to her which gave me a different view of them. I found that really cool and also noted not a lot was said about her surgery beyond the breast implants and the experience of one rupturing in a match which made my eyes water. It hurts like anything to get a natural boob hit, so I can only imagine how it would feel to have a foreign body under sensitive skin whacked. :-X
The book highlighted what creepy nut bars her parents were. I don't think anyone could have come through her Mum and then her Dads tender care and be remotely normal. She describes having broken something and her brother taking the blame on her behalf and her Mum's over the top reaction. Tragic stuff that seemed to ring true, well as true as anything you didn't see yourself can be. Her Dad used her identity to get thousands of dollars in student loans she was then stuck with. Let alone the medical insurance bills he volunteered his ex wife for without her knowledge. It painted a sad and frightening picture for a child to live through.
The book ends on a high note with her freshly broken up with Nostrildamus but optimistic about her future. I was left with a sad feeling as I knew she hit the skids and went on to fall into many of the traps folks leaving the spotlight who can't do anything else fall into.
I found it a realistic portrayal of the path one woman faced in the wrestling business in that era of wrestling. I admire her taking the BB look and bringing it to the masses. When she wrestled I believed a woman can be strong and participate, not carry the heavy weight title the way she thought she could. I wanted more dirt on Sable who has a mean reputation among the women but the book was written during her time in the WWE. She was condescending about the other women though and felt in a different league altogether. As a fan I believe she was.
She should have looked at how the WWE treated Nicole Bass and I hope she gets herself together, even now.
I found the book in a bargain bin for $3AU.
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I haven’t read the book, but I’d like to comment on your synopsis:
In my opinion, Chyna was a victim of circumstance (backstage politics, and earlier in life) compared to Sable, who turned into a bitch with an over-inflated ego…and other things.
It’s interesting to hear a female’s take on Kowalski’s school:
Paints him as a stingy character all about the money, who wouldn't spring for heating in winter with a backyard ring that was hard as anything
To be fair, that really sums up the majority of wrestling schools and promoters - including the ones I dealt with.
I don’t know what kind of finances Kowalski had by then, but he wasn’t Vince McMahon.
Also, yes - the idea of running a business is to make money.
Sorry, Joanie.
Nobody starts any kind of business with the goal of breaking even.
Chyna was truly unique.
I can’t think of any other woman wrestler who’s been in her position on a roster - playing both sides of the fence as both a “diva” and wrestler who had regular matches with the men.
Yeah, there was some resentment.
Ahmed Johnson flatly refused to job to her saying, “Ain’t no bitch gonna pin me.”
Other guys, like Foley, had no problem putting her over because they understood that she/her character was deserving.
For as much shit as was flung her way, you never heard about Chyna giving any back.
She did what her employer asked of her.
She got screwed a couple times along the way.
It’s sad that the only person she ever really hurt was the least deserving: herself.
I hope she can stop her path of self-destruction and pull her life together.
Like many former wrestling “stars,” she lost more than most people, but she also gained more than most.
She enjoyed opportunities that volumes of hopefuls strive for, but never experience.
She’s been there, has a name, and I’m convinced she could do something (other than another sex tape) again.
Although, the porn industry can be quite lucrative, maybe she could learn the ropes and have a long-term future there.
I’m being serious.
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It’s interesting to hear a female’s take on Kowalski’s school:
To be fair, that really sums up the majority of wrestling schools and promoters - including the ones I dealt with.
I don’t know what kind of finances Kowalski had by then, but he wasn’t Vince McMahon.
Also, yes - the idea of running a business is to make money.
Sorry, Joanie.
Nobody starts any kind of business with the goal of breaking even.
Her tone felt more like an inside joke than whining.
Triple H went there as well if I recall.
Carry on.
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Her tone felt more like an inside joke than whining.
Triple H went there as well if I recall.
Carry on.
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Gotcha.
I didn't pick up on that from your post.
And, yes, Triple H and Perry Saturn are two of Kowalski's best-known graduates.
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Anyone read this yet? I am halfway thru, decent read. I like how he talked about his heat when he first arrived and mentioned that Shawn Michaels was actually fired from the WWE back in 2000. Makes me wonder if the back thing was a work or it was a coverup....
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Michaels was/is a JUNKIE!!
He's had about five or six "career-ending" injuries since the mid-90's.
Each time he's left to go "find his smile" was simply a way to explain his absence while he either:
a.) threw a tantrum over not wanting to work with or job to someone
b.) got his ass kicked by a group of Marines after mouthing off and hitting on the one's girl
c.) showed up to work plastered out of his mind on Somas and God knows what else, had to be sent home, and subsequently suspended.
His first firing was when he & Janetty trashed a bar their first week in the Fed.
They were both IMMEDIATELY fired, but brought back a short time later because - as rumor has it - Pat Patterson had a bit of a crush on Marty.
The fact that Shawn has been given so many chances kind of makes me wonder if there is any truth to some of the rumors out there regarding him and Vince.
Maybe Hunter isn't the only one who crawled into bed with the McMahon's.
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Shawn Michaels is the Showstoppa. Success is measured by results. Shawn Michaels produced a career that no one has been even close to replicating. The politics of the locker room and back stage is none of Timmys buisiness. Bottom line Shawn Michaels is Mr. Wrestlemania. Post just one bad match that he was ever in. The guy was a A+ performer for twenty years. Michaels already was going to be inducted into the HOF. Then the guy took four years off and came back better then ever. Then he closed with those two matches at Mania with the Undertaker. If he's not the best ever then who is?
LOL!!
I will thoroughly dissect this post later tonight.
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Shawn Michaels is the Showstoppa. Success is measured by results. Shawn Michaels produced a career that no one has been even close to replicating. The politics of the locker room and back stage is none of Timmys buisiness. Bottom line Shawn Michaels is Mr. Wrestlemania. Post just one bad match that he was ever in. The guy was a A+ performer for twenty years. Michaels already was going to be inducted into the HOF. Then the guy took four years off and came back better then ever. Then he closed with those two matches at Mania with the Undertaker. If he's not the best ever then who is?
I'll go with Austin or maybe Rock. Both were better on the mic and got bigger pops from the crowd, face or heel.Granted Michaels may have been more aerial and hit more high spots but all in all I think the other 2 were better.
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His first book was reaaly good I haven't read this one yet, I guess I will.
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Lots of Fozzy stuff in this book which I skim thru.
He is very open about being on Vince's shit list and how many of the wrestlers diliked him becuase he gave off that my shit don't stink auora.....You can read it in maybe 2 days....
I am trying to find Arn Anderson's book as it is suposed to be a good read. Any others besides the obvious like Rock, Foley etc?
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Okay, I'm going to address this one piece at a time:
Shawn Michaels is the Showstoppa. Success is measured by results. Shawn Michaels produced a career that no one has been even close to replicating.
We've been over this...
If you want to look at results, then consider the "results" of Michaels' big run: the WWF's bleakest financial years were during HBK's peak performance years as champ.
It's true that you must consider the bigger picture of that time period, but then you must also consider that Bret - given the same circumstances - DREW BETTER BUSINESS & MONEY THAN MICHAELS...FACT!!
The politics of the locker room and back stage is none of Timmys buisiness.
Yet, you always cite Hunter's success attributing it to crawling into bed with Stephanie, which constitutes both backstage AND political aspects.
That makes you a hypocrite, so this part of your argument holds little value.
Nonetheless, I will address it.
It's true that the backstage aspect - the stuff that happens outside the ring - is none of our business.
The Benoit incident happened outside the ring and is none of our business, either; but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, and it certainly doesn't sanctify it.
You can choose to turn a blind eye to, or even pardon, Michael's drug abuse and other trouble that his junkie-lifestyle has gotten him into, but don't expect everyone else to do the same, and don't get upset when someone calls you on it.
Bottom line Shawn Michaels is Mr. Wrestlemania. Post just one bad match that he was ever in.
Again, Benoit never really had a "bad" match, but that doesn't change what...
The guy was a A+ performer for twenty years. Michaels already was going to be inducted into the HOF. Then the guy took four years off and came back better then ever. Then he closed with those two matches at Mania with the Undertaker.
Nobody, including me, is disputing the quality of his performances in the ring.
Nobody, including me, is disputing his induction in the HOF.
But, you completely glossed over the real reason behind him taking off so much time so many times, which I detailed in a previous post in this thread.
You're only looking at the "good" of the manufactured fictional character, while ignoring the "bad" of the truth of the man playing the character - unfortunately, in wrestling, it's all but impossible to separate the two.
If he's not the best ever then who is?
Using your "results" reasoning, we could say Hogan, Rock, Cena, Austin, Bret... all of whom drew more money and better business than a guy who wears hula-hoops for earings and takes off for months at a time to go "find his smile."
I will conclude with how I usually conclude these Shawn Michaels debates:
Michaels had the smallest, but most devoted fanbase ever in pro-wrestling.
And, that fanbase has a blind devotion (are marks) for HBK.
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I know it's already been said but there is way too much Fozzy stuff in there. He gets into his acting classes for an entire chapter at the end. Absolutely worth reading but I skipped a couple chapters which I wouldn't have considered doing with his first book. At times this is an interesting book I couldn't put down, then the next chapert would be shit.
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Lots of Fozzy stuff in this book which I skim thru.
He is very open about being on Vince's shit list and how many of the wrestlers diliked him becuase he gave off that my shit don't stink auora.....You can read it in maybe 2 days....
I am trying to find Arn Anderson's book as it is suposed to be a good read. Any others besides the obvious like Rock, Foley etc?
Coming from a huge AA mark, I would not be in any hurry to find his book. I pre-ordered it back in the day, waited six months for it, read it in two hours and was terribly disappointed.
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Coming from a huge AA mark, I would not be in any hurry to find his book. I pre-ordered it back in the day, waited six months for it, read it in two hours and was terribly disappointed.
I was fortunate as my library has most of the wrestlers books. Read Jericho, have his first in queue, Ric Flair and LOD......
Anyone recommend any other good reads?
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I was fortunate as my library has most of the wrestlers books. Read Jericho, have his first in queue, Ric Flair and LOD......
Anyone recommend any other good reads?
My favorite is Bobby Heenan's first book; found it very entertaining.
As a huge fan of 80's WWF, I loved Dynamite's autobiography, which contained many stories about that time period.
Piper's was half-written in character, which was immensely annoying.
Both of Foley's remain somewhat of a benchmark among wrestling fans.
Many of the other autobiographies were ghostwritten, and that can sometimes result in a very skewed account of things depending on the level of involvement of the book's namesake.
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Finished the book, decent read, again skipped the Fozzy BS.
Interesting chapter about Benoit how he trusted him with his life but when he heard the news he had no doubt that Chris had killed him. Said Benoit bottled everything up and took everything out in the ring which is why he was soo agressive...
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Interestingly enough, Piper did a shoot interview with Highspots.com about 8 years ago, in which he discussed how hard many of these guys were running at the time; and, he cited Benoit, specifically, as having that "hundred-yard stare" about him in the locker room.
Piper claims he told Chris to take it easy and slow things down.
I used to think it would be interesting to know what went through Benoit's head the last few years of his life, but now I think I'd be too afraid to know.
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Jericho also mentioned that he and Benoit were playing phone tage that week and one of the last messages from Benoit "I really need to speak with you".......
May have also bene the stress of all Benoit's friends dying, Gererro, Biff Wellington, Pilman,and Henig that took it's toal on him mentally.
Yes he was a Monster but still one of my favorites ever!(Benoit that is)
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I know there is already a thread about books, but I would appreciate a custom suggestion. I have read both Jericho books, Regal's, Foley's first, Death of WCW and Bret's. I like stuff from the early 90's on because that is where my frame of reference is. But, I'll read anything that is good. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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wrestlecrap books 1 and 2. wrestling babylon all worth a read.
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I know there is already a thread about books, but I would appreciate a custom suggestion. I have read both Jericho books, Regal's, Foley's first, Death of WCW and Bret's. I like stuff from the early 90's on because that is where my frame of reference is. But, I'll read anything that is good. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Bobby Heenans books are good.
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Bruce Hart's book is pretty good. Different perspective on the Stampede days.
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Bruce Hart's book is pretty good. Different perspective on the Stampede days.
Leerily and skeptically are good ways to read anything by Bruce Hart.
I speak from personal experience.
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Death of WCW was an excellent read. It was like entering a time capsule and reliving those Saturday wrestling moments over again.
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Anyone read it?
Im about 2/3rds through it at the moment.
Curious as to others impression of it.
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Yeah!
Here are links to some good discussions we had on it a while back: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=404872.msg5777540#msg5777540 & http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=261091.msg5919539#msg5919539
What do you think of it?
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I did. I enjoyed it a good deal but you could see at times where he was coming across as whining and still being butt hurt over things.
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It was a good book, I enjoyed it.. But ya, he takes himself way too seriously. Needs to get over some things..
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Haven't read it yet but what "superstar" doesn't take himself serious. Look at Hot Rod......man cannot come out of character...
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Yeah!
Here are links to some good discussions we had on it a while back: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=404872.msg5777540#msg5777540 & http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=261091.msg5919539#msg5919539
What do you think of it?
I found it very interesting. Im not totally sure he isnt a sociopath. Seemed to have such extreme morals when it came to certian things like portraying his charachter right yet cheated on his wife and wrote about it the same way he talked about driving a car or going to the shops.
He really didnt seem to like Shawn.
Davey and Dynamite didnt fare too well either. I found it an interesting read but it did seem very subjective at times.
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Haven't read it yet but what "superstar" doesn't take himself serious. Look at Hot Rod......man cannot come out of character...
That, to me, was the most disappointing aspect of his autobiography.
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I found it very interesting. Im not totally sure he isnt a sociopath. Seemed to have such extreme morals when it came to certian things like portraying his charachter right yet cheated on his wife and wrote about it the same way he talked about driving a car or going to the shops.
He really didnt seem to like Shawn.
Davey and Dynamite didnt fare too well either. I found it an interesting read but it did seem very subjective at times.
Every story told is biased to some degree.
But Bret, at times, comes off somewhat delusional; don't you think?
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Every story told is biased to some degree.
But Bret, at times, comes off somewhat delusional; don't you think?
Imnot sureif its delusional.Having never met the guy It's hard to say. He does seem to put himself acrossaswhiter tha white and its everyone else thats wrong.
It would be interesting to read Dianas book and also Dynamites.
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Imnot sureif its delusional.Having never met the guy It's hard to say. He does seem to put himself acrossaswhiter tha white and its everyone else thats wrong.
It would be interesting to read Dianas book and also Dynamites.
Dyno's was a fun read. It was my first wrestler autobiography, and is still my favorite.
Don't waste your time on Dana's books. She truly IS delusional and has zero credibility.
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iread his and jesses both were real good reads.
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That, to me, was the most disappointing aspect of his autobiography.
Did you ever read Linda Hogan's book and if so, what were your impressions?
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Did you ever read Linda Hogan's book and if so, what were your impressions?
I have not; nor do I plan to.
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I have not; nor do I plan to.
That's what I figured. :)
But it did somehow get an average rating of 3.5 out of 5 on amazon. I thought by some miracle maybe there was some interesting non slandering tidbits here and there but yeah more than likely it's just an out and out rip job.
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That's what I figured. :)
But it did somehow get an average rating of 3.5 out of 5 on amazon. I thought by some miracle maybe there was some interesting non slandering tidbits here and there but yeah more than likely it's just an out and out rip job.
I won't knock it, because it may be a good book for all I know. However, based on what I know of the Hart's - and especially Diana - I have doubts.
When looking for a wrestling school back around 2002, I exchanged some correspondence with Bruce Hart via Stampede Wrestling. Those emails were amazing. There was so much about this guy (and other siblings who were operating the school & promotion) that rubbed me the wrong way. And, this was before the era of shoot interviews and tell-all autobiographies became big.
I formed my opinions of them independently. Years later, I found out just how screwed up they really are.
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I won't knock it, because it may be a good book for all I know. However, based on what I know of the Hart's - and especially Diana - I have doubts.
When looking for a wrestling school back around 2002, I exchanged some correspondence with Bruce Hart via Stampede Wrestling. Those emails were amazing. There was so much about this guy (and other siblings who were operating the school & promotion) that rubbed me the wrong way. And, this was before the era of shoot interviews and tell-all autobiographies became big.
I formed my opinions of them independently. Years later, I found out just how screwed up they really are.
Stu could've tied you in knots and made you say uncle all day.
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Stu could've tied you in knots and made you say uncle all day.
Ha-ha-ha... at the time, I'm sure that the mark in me would have given my left nut and part of the right for the chance to be stretched by the legendary Stu Hart in the infamous "Dungeon." I was such a mark for the old-time shooters.
The problem is that, by that point, Stu had handed over most of the business and operations to Bruce and one of his other boys. I thought I was being unfair and unreasonable judging Bruce so harshly based on my limited interaction with him. Years later, I felt MORE than justified...and accurate.
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My photography has been featured in several books. I normally don't shoot wrestling but went a few times since we are friends with Johnny Ace. We usually get front row or second and I bring in either a 70-200mm or a 300mm prime. To be honest....its a good time. I still prefer the old days of Georgia.
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I still prefer the old days of Georgia.
So do most people who watched it; I dare say everyone.