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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_re_us/caroline_kennedy
"the Post cited an unidentified source as saying she dropped out because she learned Gov. David Paterson had decided not to choose her."
looks like he finally came to his senses and realized she wasnt qualified and didnt deserve the seat.
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Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aristocracy is as bad as child molestation. It was sickening to see that people here supported her.
Whatever your politics ..liberal or conservative...Caroline Kennedy should make you PUKE!!!!!!!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_re_us/caroline_kennedy
"the Post cited an unidentified source as saying she dropped out because she learned Gov. David Paterson had decided not to choose her."
looks like he finally came to his senses and realized she wasnt qualified and didnt deserve the seat.
There are lots of conflicting reports out right now. NBC news says it's not true, NY times and 2 other NY papers say it is.
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Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aristocracy is as bad as child molestation. It was sickening to see that people here supported her.
Whatever your politics ..liberal or conservative...Caroline Kennedy should make you PUKE!!!!!!!
Did someone really support her?
Who? I totally missed it.
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Did someone really support her?
Who? I totally missed it.
HAHAHAHHA LMFAO 240 whole heartedly supported her even predicted that she would run for VP sooner or later.
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HAHAHAHHA LMFAO 240 whole heartedly supported her even predicted that she would run for VP sooner or later.
Seriously? I mean... I support her right to do it, but I mean... Minus having the last name Kennedy... I don't really see why she should be a Senator... Is the last name enough?
I guess it did work for Bush though... If he wasn't George W. Bush... He'd just be another retard kid down the street.
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Seriously? I mean... I support her right to do it, but I mean... Minus having the last name Kennedy... I don't really see why she should be a Senator... Is the last name enough?
I guess it did work for Bush though... If he wasn't George W. Bush... He'd just be another retard kid down the street.
bush was at least a governor before he was president, kennedy hasnt done crap politically other then have the last name.
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bush was at least a governor before he was president, kennedy hasnt done crap politically other then have the last name.
Not disagreeing, but he really shouldn't have been governor either... Ridiculous how he got there.
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Not disagreeing, but he really shouldn't have been governor either... Ridiculous how he got there.
not disagreeing either.
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i'm telling ya.
IF - and I mean IF - she got the senate job, she'd be perfect for VP selection in 2016.
The name.
The senate experience.
The family power and $ and connections.
The fact she's a female, and a young one at that.
If you can name a better known female on the dem side not named Hilary (who will be near 70 by then), please do! (And you just KNOW one of the parties will want a female by then)
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i'm telling ya.
IF - and I mean IF - she got the senate job, she'd be perfect for VP selection in 2016.
The name.
The senate experience.
The family power and $ and connections.
The fact she's a female, and a young one at that.
If you can name a better known female on the dem side not named Hilary (who will be near 70 by then), please do! (And you just KNOW one of the parties will want a female by then)
doesnt change the fact that she isnt qualified or deserving of a senate seat in the first place...shes 52ish right now bro hillarys got what 10 years on her and looks 10 years younger.
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doesnt change the fact that she isnt qualified or deserving of a senate seat in the first place...shes 52ish right now bro hillarys got what 10 years on her and looks 10 years younger.
Are there better candidates? Thousands of them!
My post wasn't about her being qualified for senate.
My point is that with 8 years of senate experience (along with a well-choregraphed domestic program track record in senate), I see a Webb/Kennedy ticket in 2016.
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Are there better candidates? Thousands of them!
My post wasn't about her being qualified for senate.
My point is that with 8 years of senate experience (along with a well-choregraphed domestic program track record in senate), I see a Webb/Kennedy ticket in 2016.
I agree if she where to get the seat she would be a force to be reckoned with but you have defended her qualification in the past on this board as well.
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crappy notion that you should be an established career politician before you can hold a senate seat. What the hell does that say? You have to be a accomplished bullshiter before entering the senate. ::) brilliant... We'd be better off if we had more people there with backgrounds outside of being a career politician.
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crappy notion that you should be an established career politician before you can hold a senate seat. What the hell does that say? You have to be a accomplished bullshiter before entering the senate. ::)
first test
be able to bullshit your way into getting the job
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seems to me that republicans aren't actually interested in the qualifications of who is picked. What this is really about is stopping a Kennedy. I don't see the problem. If she sucks she'll not win when she has to actually run. She meets the qualifications set forth in the Constitution to be senator. Who are these people here pointing out failures of the constitution by demanding more qualifications? If this were important, there would have been a specific pool of people set forth to draw from, like only those who have served or are serving in state gov or some shit. The qualified candidate is the candidate that meets the qualifications in the Constitution and in this case is chosen by the governor.
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I agree if she where to get the seat she would be a force to be reckoned with but you have defended her qualification in the past on this board as well.
she's like Palin (rare that I'd bring her up, huh?)
She's technically qualified.
In real life, she's marginally qualified.
Yet the support system around her would tell her what to sign and what buttons to push and all that, to do a fairly competent job.
I didn't think Palin would ruin America - but I did think she would allow her handlers to heavily influence her. She said it herself- they MADE her go back on Couric, adn she didn't want to. I think Kennedy would do the same - what her team recommended on a daily basis.
Look at an Obama, on the other hand. This is an independent thinker, who is breaking apart that corrupt system one piece at a time. Piss off, lobbyists!
Jan 20
Ordered a 120-day halt in all pending GITMO cases.
Jan 21
Ordered sention staff pay freeze.
Announced Tough new restrictions on lobbying in his administration
Called Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas
Empowered Freedom Of Information Act
Changes Oval Office Dress Code - No jackets required
Jan 22
Issues order - GITMO to be closed within one year.
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i'm telling ya.
IF - and I mean IF - she got the senate job, she'd be perfect for VP selection in 2016.
The name.
The senate experience.
The family power and $ and connections.
The fact she's a female, and a young one at that.
If you can name a better known female on the dem side not named Hilary (who will be near 70 by then), please do! (And you just KNOW one of the parties will want a female by then)
MICHELLE OBAMA
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_re_us/caroline_kennedy
"the Post cited an unidentified source as saying she dropped out because she learned Gov. David Paterson had decided not to choose her."
looks like he finally came to his senses and realized she wasnt qualified and didnt deserve the seat.
Theat loverboy Benny must be devastated.
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i'm telling ya.
IF - and I mean IF - she got the senate job, she'd be perfect for VP selection in 2016.
The name.
The senate experience.
The family power and $ and connections.
The fact she's a female, and a young one at that.
If you can name a better known female on the dem side not named Hilary (who will be near 70 by then), please do! (And you just KNOW one of the parties will want a female by then)
She is a nit wit YOU KNOW.Who cant speak YOU KNOW,thats why she pulled out YOU KNOW,because she was shocked at how the press jumped on her YOU KNOW.She is a nothing.An idiot who hid for thirty years YOU KNOW.Now its coming out that she never raised anywhere near the money her supporters claimed YOU KNOW.A dope that can now go back into hiding YOU KNOW.
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I wonder if we will ever know the real story. I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but I am certain that Ted’s illness is not the reason for Caroline’s withdrawal. Remember, Ted is basically a fossil at this point; his illness is not new. He had surgery on his brain a few weeks ago. He is clearly a dead man walking. As soon as it was clear Hillary was leaving the Senate, Ted himself was publicly encouraging Caroline to run.
Caroline is not Ted’s primary care giver; she is not responsible for his welfare. He is not her father. They do not live in the same house. It is not as if he “needs” her from day to day. Her going to the Senate (or not) would have no impact on his health or quality of life.
My guess is she learned that she was not going to be chosen and leaving now is a face saving move. A public rejection would have been a humiliating blow to her ego and a serious blemish on the Kennedy brand.
I am glad she is gone... she did not belong in the Senate.
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good points BayGBM.
I will now substitute that female NY stae rep that paterson may put up instead. She can run in 08 on the ticket. "our own little palin!" for the dems!
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Caroline cited "personal reasons" for withdrawing from the Senate race.
I suppose "I'm an overprivileged spoiled rich girl and I suck" could certainly be construed as a "personal reason."
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20090122/49780b60_3ca6_15526200901221661675748
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Caroline cited "personal reasons" for withdrawing from the Senate race.
I suppose "I'm an overprivileged spoiled rich girl and I suck" could certainly be construed as a "personal reason."
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20090122/49780b60_3ca6_15526200901221661675748
hahahha bump
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Bay, I agree with you 100%.
Hugo, she isn't qualified and is a real left winger. We need intelligent leaders who can work across the isle. Left and right fringe candidates should not be nominated.
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I’m not one to bash the rich, but in my experience in virtually all fields the best people, the most qualified and capable people are people of modest means who have had to work their way up.
If you are a child of excessive privilege and have things handed to you for much of your life, you simply do not have the work ethic, constitution, and emotional intelligence to rival people of modest means. There are exceptions to this but in general I believe it to be true.
I’m sure Caroline is a nice woman, but has she ever really had to work for anything? Did she ever have the hunger that drives and motivates normal people to excel? Can she have any real clue what life is like for ordinary people? I think not. I would not want her as my Senator. She was very unimpressive in the few interviews she sat for. :(
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My biggest issue with Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg Kennedy was the attitude that she seemed to have that she had a "right" to the seat. She found out otherwise, and is using her uncle's (convenient) health problems (I'm surprised that lecherous lush still has a liver) to create an "honorable pretext" for walking out with her tail between her legs.
And what would Jack Kennedy say if he were alive today? "Let me out of this coffin! I ain't dead, motherfckkers!!!" :)
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Housekeeper and Taxes Are Said to Derail Kennedy’s Bid
By DANNY HAKIM and NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
ALBANY — Problems involving taxes and a household employee surfaced during the vetting of Caroline Kennedy and derailed her candidacy for the Senate, a person close to Gov. David A. Paterson said on Thursday, in an account at odds with Ms. Kennedy’s own description of her reasons for withdrawing.
The account emerged 14 hours after Ms. Kennedy announced that she was taking her name out of contention for the Senate seat vacated by Hillary Rodham Clinton, and as Mr. Paterson, according to two well-placed Democrats told of his thinking, was leaning toward selecting Representative Kirsten E. Gillibrand, an upstate lawmaker in her second term in Congress. Mr. Paterson has scheduled a news conference at noon Friday in Albany to announce his choice.
Hard feelings toward Ms. Kennedy were clearly building among the governor’s staff on Thursday, after a dramatic evening in which she was reported to be dropping out, then wavering, then ultimately, shortly after midnight on Thursday, issuing a statement ending her candidacy.
The person close to the governor said Mr. Paterson “never had any intention of picking Kennedy” because he had come to consider her unready for the job. The person did not describe the exact nature or seriousness of the tax and household employee issues.
But other Democratic operatives and people who talked to the governor disputed that account, and said that he had all but decided to select Ms. Kennedy as senator, and that his staff was arranging a press conference for late this week.
An aide to Ms. Kennedy said Thursday that while Ms. Kennedy had not been told for certain that she was the choice, there were strong indications that she would be.
During the early afternoon Wednesday, the aide said, Ms. Kennedy became aware of what the aide referred to as a “personal situation” that could prevent her from fulfilling her duties as senator. The personal situation was not related to the seizure that her uncle, Senator Edward M. Kennedy, suffered during an inauguration luncheon on Tuesday, the aide said, declining to be more specific.
Another aide to Ms. Kennedy, while not denying there were issues that emerged during her vetting, said that there was nothing that surfaced that would disqualify her from the appointment, and that the Kennedy camp and the governor’s operation had been discussing how to publicly disclose the issues.
Virtually no one in state politics on Thursday was willing to make a bet on the appointment the unpredictable governor might make in the end. And the governor and his aides remained shocked at the recent turn of events and stung by criticism of their handling of the process. They have maintained almost complete silence since Wednesday afternoon.
Several people who have spoken to the governor said he had decided on Ms. Kennedy some time ago. A Democrat operative with ties to Mr. Paterson said the governor told Ms. Kennedy last week that she was the choice, but that he would use the next few days to do “a little misdirection to keep the suspense up.”
A person close to the governor adamantly denied that assertion.
“The fiasco of the last 24 hours reinforced why the governor never intended to choose her,” the person said.
The aide to Ms. Kennedy said she called the governor around 3 or 4 p.m. on Wednesday to tell him that she would be withdrawing from consideration for the appointment. According to the aide, Mr. Paterson told Ms. Kennedy to take a day to think about it. At no point, the aide said, did the governor tell Ms. Kennedy she was out of consideration.
“He was saying she was a contender, she was involved, and things were going the way they were going,” the aide said. “He did not tell her either way that it was yes or no, but that she was still being considered.”
At that point, the aide said, Ms. Kennedy began consulting with friends and family. Around the same time, news outlets, including The New York Post and The New York Times, began reporting that Ms. Kennedy had withdrawn.
The Paterson administration initially refused to respond to reporters. When they did, Errol Cockfield, a spokesman for Mr. Paterson, said in a very brief interview around 7 p.m. that the governor had called reports that Ms. Kennedy was withdrawing “just the rumor of the day.”
But at the time, according to Ms. Kennedy’s aide, the governor and Ms. Kennedy had already spoken about the possibility of her withdrawing. And a little over an hour later, Mr. Cockfield asked that the statement not be published.
Ms. Kennedy’s own political advisers appeared at times to be unable to reach her on Wednesday night. At one point, Ms. Kennedy was drafting a statement reaffirming her interest in the seat. But the aide said that Ms. Kennedy ultimately concluded that she would go ahead with her plan to withdraw.
Between 10 and 11 p.m., the aide said, Ms. Kennedy called the governor to thank him for giving her time to think it over and definitively withdrew from the race.
In a statement sent by e-mail at 12:03 a.m. Thursday, Ms. Kennedy announced she was withdrawing from the race for personal reasons.
“I informed Governor Paterson today that for personal reasons I am withdrawing my name from consideration for the United States Senate,” the statement said.
The Senate selection, and Ms. Kennedy’s withdrawal, eclipsed all other issues in the capital on Thursday. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg traveled to Albany to address lawmakers about the state budget, but reporters asked him only for his reaction to Ms. Kennedy’s actions. Mr. Bloomberg had supported her candidacy.
“I’ll probably give her a call today and say, my thoughts are with you,” the mayor said. “I wish her all the best and I think she should continue to stay involved in public service. She’s a great New Yorker and her husband is a really nice guy that I like.”
Assemblyman Carl E. Heastie, the chairman of the Democratic Party in the Bronx, met with Ms. Kennedy last Friday and heard her pitch.
“She told me why she thought she’d be the best senator and we talked about politics in general, her family, it was a good meeting,” he said, adding of the latest development, “nothing surprises me in politics.”
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Does a Glass Ceiling Persist in Politics?
Kennedy's Withdrawal Illustrates a Double Standard, Some Say
By Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writer
With her abrupt exit this week from consideration for the Senate, Caroline Kennedy added her name to a growing list: women who have sought the nation's highest offices only to face insurmountable hurdles.
Like Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sarah Palin before her, Kennedy illustrated what some say is an enduring double standard in the handling of ambitious female office-seekers. Even as more women step forward as contenders for premier political jobs, observers say, few seem able to get there.
In less than two months, Kennedy, 51, was transformed from a beloved, if elusive, national icon into a laughingstock in the New York media, mocked for her verbal tics and criticized for her spotty voting record. After she withdrew from consideration, speculation floated that she had done so to avoid discussion of an illegal nanny and back taxes, charges that people close to Kennedy disputed and that New York Gov. David A. Paterson's office indicated in a statement yesterday were not factors. Paterson is scheduled to name a successor today to Clinton, who vacated the Senate seat to become President Obama's secretary of state. Wire services and New York media outlets reported early this morning that the governor had chosen Democratic Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, a second-term lawmaker from upstate.
Many political observers dismissed the notion that Kennedy's difficulties had anything to do with gender, noting that she came across as a novice and sought appointment just as the national tolerance for family dynasties seemed to ebb. Hank Sheinkopf, a longtime Democratic strategist, said any suggestion that Kennedy was treated unfairly because of her sex was "nonsense." "The New York press corps is an equal opportunity candidate-basher," he said. "New York politics is rough and tumble, and she was too much of a lady for it. This is a very tough place to do politics in."
Nonetheless, during Kennedy's candidacy, three other Senate vacancies were filled with far less drama by little-known men. Michael Bennet (D), a 44-year-old schools superintendent from Denver who had never held elected office, was sworn in yesterday to take the Colorado seat vacated by Ken Salazar (D), who became interior secretary. In Delaware, Vice President Biden was replaced by his own chief of staff, Ted Kaufman, widely seen as a placeholder so that Biden's son can run for the seat in 2010, after he returns from Iraq.
And in Illinois, Roland W. Burris (D) ultimately gained the seat vacated by Obama, despite being picked by a governor charged with corruption and the open opposition of both the Democratic majority and the incoming president.
"There's something different about when women run," said Bob Shrum, a Democratic consultant and a close ally of Kennedy. Echoing the complaints of many other family friends, Shrum noted that much of the criticism of Kennedy centered on her demeanor -- her soft voice and use of the phrase "you know" -- similar to the types of complaints that were so prevalent during the campaigns of Clinton and Palin.
At the outset of the presidential campaign, Clinton was widely favored to win the Democratic nomination, as well as the presidency. But her quest was trumped by Obama. Palin was initially celebrated as John McCain's running mate, before questions about her qualifications weighed down the Republican ticket.
Advisers to Clinton and Palin -- and the candidates themselves -- complained at various times about treatment they considered biased. But their rivals said their problems had nothing to do with gender, but rather with personal flaws.
Women did little better in congressional elections, as their numbers remained virtually stagnant. The House added four women, bringing the total to 75 of the 435 members. The number of women in the Senate -- 16 -- will either stay the same or go up by one, depending on who replaces Clinton.
Some female candidates say they face media scrutiny and public criticism on questions that rarely derail male contenders.
For example, another prominent New Yorker, Timothy F. Geithner, withstood questions about more than $30,000 in unpaid back taxes and an improperly documented household helper but has moved ahead as the future Treasury secretary.
Kennedy's stumbles began not long after the former first daughter expressed her interest in the job. Initially, she ducked the news media and then seemed to do so in fits and starts. She also failed to garner support from many powerful women in New York who might have backed her had she sided with Clinton over Obama in the Democratic primary.
To some, the clunky way she withdrew from the race early yesterday -- after hours of speculative reports that she was pulling out, followed by contradictory reports that she wasn't -- showed that she was unqualified.
"There's just a high degree of frustration in our camp with how things unfolded yesterday, and it typifies why Caroline was not going to be his pick," said a person familiar with the governor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter candidly.
Kennedy cited a "personal, private matter" that is not related to the poor health of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), her uncle, who has brain cancer, people close to her said.
But among her allies, it was clear that harsh assessments of her performance and her sagging poll numbers played at least a partial role.
Several Democratic strategists said the Kennedy conundrum was in part unique to her and in part reflective of what other high-profile women encountered this year. Dee Dee Myers, press secretary in Bill Clinton's White House, said it was difficult to untangle questions about scrutiny Kennedy faced as a woman from those she faced as a New Yorker, where attention is fierce, or as a celebrity or member of the fabled Kennedy family.
But Myers said that "questions about her résumé absolutely have to do with her gender."
"I don't see it as thin, I see it as unconventional," Myers said of Kennedy's résumé, which includes work as an author and schools fundraiser. "I don't see why running a hedge fund is better preparation for doing the people's business than writing books or working in the school system and raising a family."
Political strategist Donna Brazile noted the contrast between the excitement surrounding Obama's inauguration this week and the general public attitude toward women in office, one that she said helped drive Kennedy out of the running.
"Obama inspired us to turn the page, and now women seem stuck in the table of contents," she said.
Noting that women still make up less than 20 percent of both houses of Congress, Brazile said: "The elevator to our future growth in the Congress is still stuck in the lobby. It's time we hurry history."
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I’m not one to bash the rich, but in my experience in virtually all fields the best people, the most qualified and capable people are people of modest means who have had to work their way up.
If you are a child of excessive privilege and have things handed to you for much of your life, you simply do not have the work ethic, constitution, and emotional intelligence to rival people of modest means. There are exceptions to this but in general I believe it to be true.
I’m sure Caroline is a nice woman, but has she ever really had to work for anything? Did she ever have the hunger that drives and motivates normal people to excel? Can she have any real clue what life is like for ordinary people? I think not. I would not want her as my Senator. She was very unimpressive in the few interviews she sat for. :(
Well put. It's true.
She withdrew her name, because she was told she wasn't going to be selected. Happens all the time. It was actually a courtesy to her.