Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stavios on January 24, 2009, 09:02:03 PM
-
I mean, I am sure he doesn't diet harder than any of the other guys.
genetics ?
-
maybe he likes walking on the treadmill, Staveeeeeeeee.
-
maybe he likes walking on the treadmill, Staveeeeeeeee.
seems logical, Dave ;D
-
seems logical, Dave ;D
you're pretty logical yourself, Montreal Matterhorn.
-
you're pretty logical yourself, Montreal Matterhorn.
just learning from the best, the St-Louis pussy destroyer 8)
-
fast metabolism..T3/4, clen.. probably started his diet earlier too.
-
"Mo" isn't taking anything the other guys aren't
what he is is "all fired up" (his pro-debut!) trained and dieted his ass off! (probaly was like a zombie the past few weeks/months)
quite simply he busted his ass (not saying the other guys didn't but even i know you get "complacent")
mannnnn i was going to show you guys that first show!!!!! (i was so focused and motivated i did everything i needed to do and then some!/ex: Larry would tell me i needed to do 45 mins of cardio twice a day i did over an hour 2x a day/i never cheated on my diet EVER (i went to bed so hungry i couldn't sleep)
everything was all about the show/every min of every day
every morself of food was logged/just everything was focused and determination
second show i got lazy (complacent") "ahh i only need to diet for 5 weeks" i don't need Larry's help"
"i don't need to write everything down" etc etc
im sure this can happen with these guys as well!!
it's desire and heart!
-
Everything else is the same (time frame/supplements etc)
except my "heart" and "desire" (and of course i didn't diet as long or as hard)
don't ever underestimate the power of good ole fashioned hard work
-
Mo Bannout looked like he just stepped out of a 90's bodybuilding stage with that Ironman conditioning
-
"Mo" isn't taking anything the other guys aren't
what he is is "all fired up" (his pro-debut!) trained and dieted his ass off! (probaly was like a zombie the past few weeks/months)
quite simply he busted his ass (not saying the other guys didn't but even i know you get "complacent")
mannnnn i was going to show you guys that first show!!!!! (i was so focused and motivated i did everything i needed to do and then some!/ex: Larry would tell me i needed to do 45 mins of cardio twice a day i did over an hour 2x a day/i never cheated on my diet EVER (i went to bed so hungry i couldn't sleep)
everything was all about the show/every min of every day
every morself of food was logged/just everything was focused and determination
second show i got lazy (complacent") "ahh i only need to diet for 5 weeks" i don't need Larry's help"
"i don't need to write everything down" etc etc
im sure this can happen with these guys as well!!
it's desire and heart!
Good post Mike !
-
he really had nothing else to do so he had more time to walk on the treadmill
-
I mean, I am sure he doesn't diet harder than any of the other guys.
genetics ?
Well, having his cousin Samir Bannout helping him does come in handy. ;D He def has his genetics
-
Everything else is the same (time frame/supplements etc)
except my "heart" and "desire" (and of course i didn't diet as long or as hard)
don't ever underestimate the power of good ole fashioned hard work
What did u weigh for your first and second show? 10-15lb difference?
-
Slow cardio Chick style!
-
Well, having his cousin Samir Bannout helping him does come in handy. ;D He def has his genetics
Genetics has nothing to do with getting shredded. Anyone can get big and any one can get lean. He just dieted harder.These other guys are too concerned with being big. That is why they didn't come in lean.
-
Genetics has nothing to do with getting shredded. Anyone can get big and any one can get lean. He just dieted harder.These other guys are too concerned with being big. That is why they didn't come in lean.
truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
Genetics has nothing to do with getting shredded. Anyone can get big and any one can get lean. He just dieted harder.These other guys are too concerned with being big. That is why they didn't come in lean.
So would you say that everyone has the possiblity of coming in as grainy as Dorian?
I would have to say that skin thickness often prevents some guy's from looking super lean, and that I presume is genetic.
-
So would you say that everyone has the possiblity of coming in as grainy as Dorian?
I would have to say that skin thickness often prevents some guy's from looking super lean, and that I presume is genetic.
I have the loosest and thickest skin of anyone i know. When i get calipered they say my skin is so looks it is gross and it is thick because i never tan year im capable of getting striations in every part of my body. The only place i have yet to see them is on the back of my glutes and i think it is just because they aren't developed enough. Everyone is capable of getting to 3% bf. How you look at 3% bf though is a different story.
-
Genetics has nothing to do with getting shredded. Anyone can get big and any one can get lean. He just dieted harder.These other guys are too concerned with being big. That is why they didn't come in lean.
Genetics does play a huge role in bodybuilding.
Samir won the Mr Olympia due to his insane conditioning and he apparantly has the same thing. I'm not saying he's going to win the Olympia one day but I'm sure that he'll be winning a number of shows
-
I have the loosest and thickest skin of anyone i know. When i get calipered they say my skin is so looks it is gross and it is thick because i never tan year im capable of getting striations in every part of my body. The only place i have yet to see them is on the back of my glutes and i think it is just because they aren't developed enough. Everyone is capable of getting to 3% bf. How you look at 3% bf though is a different story.
I'll do the keto diet in a few weeks I'll try to get super shredded without worring about how big I am.
last time I did this I got lean very very fast but I stopped before getting super shredded cause I wanted to be full for a show.
-
I mean, I am sure he doesn't diet harder than any of the other guys.
genetics ?
(http://www.musle-man.com/catalog/images/DNP_2,4_Dinitrophenol_musle-man.jpg)
-
I mean, I am sure he doesn't diet harder than any of the other guys.
genetics ?
No. Here, all the national level competitors look like him.
Why? They are not afraid to be small like state bbers.
we bbers should forget about the weight...thats always every gym fellows say(Paco included)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Huelva-554.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Huelva-560.jpg)
-
No. Here, all the national level competitors look like him.
Why? They are not afraid to be small like state bbers.
we bbers should forget about the weight...thats always every gym fellows say(Paco included)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Huelva-554.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/palden_lhamo/Culturismo/Huelva-560.jpg)
that's some crazy conditionning right there :o
-
I have the loosest and thickest skin of anyone i know. When i get calipered they say my skin is so looks it is gross and it is thick because i never tan year im capable of getting striations in every part of my body. The only place i have yet to see them is on the back of my glutes and i think it is just because they aren't developed enough. Everyone is capable of getting to 3% bf. How you look at 3% bf though is a different story.
I think it's partly genetic... especially how much muscle you can maintain at a certain bf%. Someone like Troy Alves, do you think he never seriously tried getting shredded hams and glutes? I don't know but I would guess he has tried.
-
that's some crazy conditionning right there :o
Haha. Possibly I have chance to meet this guy in a few month later on stage.
His muscle is small. But hey..............he will kill me in less than a second... :'(
-
Haha. Possibly I have chance to meet this guy in a few month later on stage.
His muscle is small. But hey..............he will kill me in less than a second... :'(
doesn't look small to me !
-
doesn't look small to me !
Cus he is shredded to the bone and shorter than me. My frind won against him.
My frind says that i carry more mass and complete due to his weak legs.
But on stage, Hardness is everything. So he will fvck me everywhere if i am not on.
P.S. He is a very friendly guy.
-
I think it's partly genetic... especially how much muscle you can maintain at a certain bf%. Someone like Troy Alves, do you think he never seriously tried getting shredded hams and glutes? I don't know but I would guess he has tried.
The glute area seems to the the toss up. Flex Wheeler has had striated glutes before but that was an area he always had trouble with. Troy could get striated glutes but it might cost him a couple of pounds of muscle that he isn't willing to give up.
-
terrible...discussing male 'glutes' there are definitely things here >:(
"Ribbed... for his pleasure"
-
"Nice" calves btw ::) :-X
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q0493_PPSGNWNCED.jpg)
-
Mike Arvilla, Great "desire and heart" comment! The basic ingredient to success in just about anything but most noticeable in competitive bodybuilding.
Add good genetics, and you're unstoppable!
That's for the refresher!
-
"Nice" calves btw ::) :-X
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q0493_PPSGNWNCED.jpg)
Certainly....
Thats why he placed low? ???
-
"Nice" calves btw ::) :-X
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q0493_PPSGNWNCED.jpg)
yea i noticed that too, he shouldnt have even placed top 10 with fuckin implants like that but atleast he didnt get an olympia qualification.
-
i wish i coulda figured it out. i could be sooo close a week or two out and end up losing 25 lbs. the last few days and look small and smooth on stage. ??? ???
-
you look great there Rick, vascular as shit. :o
-
you look great there Rick, vascular as shit. :o
yeah, and then i would get rid of all my muscle and blood before getting on stage. :'(
-
yeah, and then i would get rid of all my muscle and blood before getting on stage. :'(
prett crazy how quick it can leave you, i remember talking to a guy from my gym about that and he said he was looking as good as he ever had a few hours before getting onstage and decided to sit out in the sun for about an hour and a half and he lost it all. :-\
-
prett crazy how quick it can leave you, i remember talking to a guy from my gym about that and he said he was looking as good as he ever had a few hours before getting onstage and decided to sit out in the sun for about an hour and a half and he lost it all. :-\
i swear most shows i did i looked better on wednesday than the winner did on Saturday. but that don't mean shit. i felt like carrying my photo album on stage with me to show the judges, lol
-
you look great there Rick, vascular as shit. :o
x2
-
you look great there Rick, vascular as shit. :o
every year i would entrust a different expert to take me through the last week. every time i literally melted. none of them would believe how quick my bmr was. and i never used any thyroid or dnp. here's pics from a month before a show that Milos promised to help me through. he even said he would fly and meet me in Montreal. he went MIA 2 weeks out and wouldn't answer my calls. i dropped over 20 lbs. after these pics.
-
every year i would entrust a different expert to take me through the last week. every time i literally melted. none of them would believe how quick my bmr was. and i never used any thyroid or dnp. here's pics from a month before a show that Milos promised to help me through. he even said he would fly and meet me in Montreal. he went MIA 2 weeks out and wouldn't answer my calls. i dropped over 20 lbs. after these pics.
i would imagine a guy carrying as much muscle as you were there would be a calorie burning furnace, probably underestimated how many calories you really needed to support that much muscle.
-
every year i would entrust a different expert to take me through the last week. every time i literally melted. none of them would believe how quick my bmr was. and i never used any thyroid or dnp. here's pics from a month before a show that Milos promised to help me through. he even said he would fly and meet me in Montreal. he went MIA 2 weeks out and wouldn't answer my calls. i dropped over 20 lbs. after these pics.
well, that was unprofessional of him
-
i would imagine a guy carrying as much muscle as you were there would be a calorie burning furnace, probably underestimated how many calories you really needed to support that much muscle.
exactly! i was over 240lbs. in these last pics. i ate quarts of icecream each day as well as 10+ scoops of protien daily. they always thought i was full of shit i guess, and when i followed them, i couldn;t sustain my muscle mass.
-
Mike is spot on. DIET DIET DIET!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being afraid of being small, stop using diuretics, stop cutting sodium, keep drinking water all the way to the show. When will these guys freaking learn Honestly after seeing the pics of the Ironman I don't even feel sorry for these guys anymore. If they haven't learned by now then they deserve how they look.
-
i wish i coulda figured it out. i could be sooo close a week or two out and end up losing 25 lbs. the last few days and look small and smooth on stage. ??? ???
No one loses 25 pounds the last few days before a show without doing something very drastic!!!!!
-
"Nice" calves btw ::) :-X
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q0493_PPSGNWNCED.jpg)
:-X :-X :-X sue the doctor. ;D
-
No one loses 25 pounds the last week or two before a show without doing something very drastic!!!!!
i do. several times
-
i do. several times
I didn't say you didn't. I said that you are doing something VERY drastic.
-
I didn't say you didn't. I said that you are doing something VERY drastic.
my last show i took one aldactone wed, thurs and fri. moderate carb deplete wed and thurs. loaded on icecream and cheesecake all friday. the bantomweight i travelled with took 3 aldactone a day from monday on and lost 4 lbs.
237 lbs. on thurs, 212 at weighin. i wish i could explain it, and stop it.
-
Mike is spot on. DIET DIET DIET!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being afraid of being small, stop using diuretics, stop cutting sodium, keep drinking water all the way to the show. When will these guys freaking learn Honestly after seeing the pics of the Ironman I don't even feel sorry for these guys anymore. If they haven't learned by now then they deserve how they look.
in your opinion who has the most potential of doing the most damage if they got there diet on track and forgot about how big they were and and just wanted to get super shredded.
-
"Mo" isn't taking anything the other guys aren't
what he is is "all fired up" (his pro-debut!) trained and dieted his ass off! (probaly was like a zombie the past few weeks/months)
quite simply he busted his ass (not saying the other guys didn't but even i know you get "complacent")
mannnnn i was going to show you guys that first show!!!!! (i was so focused and motivated i did everything i needed to do and then some!/ex: Larry would tell me i needed to do 45 mins of cardio twice a day i did over an hour 2x a day/i never cheated on my diet EVER (i went to bed so hungry i couldn't sleep)
everything was all about the show/every min of every day
every morself of food was logged/just everything was focused and determination
second show i got lazy (complacent") "ahh i only need to diet for 5 weeks" i don't need Larry's help"
"i don't need to write everything down" etc etc
im sure this can happen with these guys as well!!
it's desire and heart!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The truth and a great post!
-
my last show i took one aldactone wed, thurs and fri. moderate carb deplete wed and thurs. loaded on icecream and cheesecake all friday. the bantomweight i travelled with took 3 aldactone a day from monday on and lost 4 lbs.
237 lbs. on thurs, 212 at weighin. i wish i could explain it, and stop it.
Your first sentence is where I stopped reading. Not trying to be a smartass cause I hate to see stuff like this happen plus you seem like a good guy, but this is the standard way to fuk things up before a show. IT DOESN"T WORK!!!!!!! I could tell you why in technical terms, but just take my word for it. In short your body doesn't care what it looks like and will do everything in it's power to keep your potassium and sodium levels in check. Inside you will still be fine (to a degree) but you suffer cosmetically for it.
-
2 days out, no diuretics, no carbs, normal sodium, lots of water no carb up day of show.
-
The glute area seems to the the toss up. Flex Wheeler has had striated glutes before but that was an area he always had trouble with. Troy could get striated glutes but it might cost him a couple of pounds of muscle that he isn't willing to give up.
Flex had striated glutes partly because he competing at around 216-218 pounds (1993 Arnold and Mr. O). The 1993 Ironman he didn't and he was about 230. It is basically genetics, once he got bigger, that area, the lower back-glute-ham tie in, was trouble for him. And so it is for Melvin Anthony, who is a Flex Wheeler clone. And so does JoJo as well, DeGrimes (?), all have that Flex Wheeler-sque/Brian Buchanan physique. Which is the round full, muscle bellies. Nasser used to tease Flex and say in the mags that he had a big ass. Which has something to do with his genetics and possbily could be traced back to a certain ethnic group, possibly in Ghana, where I believe JoJo is from.
-
Your first sentence is where I stopped reading. Not trying to be a smartass cause I hate to see stuff like this happen plus you seem like a good guy, but this is the standard way to fuk things up before a show. IT DOESN"T WORK!!!!!!! I could tell you why in technical terms, but just take my word for it. In short your body doesn't care what it looks like and will do everything in it's power to keep your potassium and sodium levels in check. Inside you will still be fine (to a degree) but you suffer cosmetically for it.
it has happened at several shows, that is the only one i did aldactone or any diuretic.
-
it has happened at several shows, that is the only one i did aldactone or any diuretic.
I knew a guy like that once...he'd lose a lot of weight the last two weeks without doing much. When I observed him, he seemed to be extremely hyper. My theory was his nerves and psychological make up caused him to release a huge amount of adrenaline the last few weeks. Adrenaline is basically the same chemical as epinephrine, which is one of the most potent metabolic accelerators there is and because your own body produces it, you have a very strong reaction since it's your own genetically coded chemical. Did you feel kind of hyper yourself the last few weeks?
-
Genetics has nothing to do with getting shredded. Anyone can get big and any one can get lean. He just dieted harder.These other guys are too concerned with being big. That is why they didn't come in lean.
Lol I had to laugh out loud when you quoted Goodrum whilst saying this :D
-
I knew a guy like that once...he'd lose a lot of weight the last two weeks without doing much. When I observed him, he seemed to be extremely hyper. My theory was his nerves and psychological make up caused him to release a huge amount of adrenaline the last few weeks. Adrenaline is basically the same chemical as epinephrine, which is one of the most potent metabolic accelerators there is and because your own body produces it, you have a very strong reaction since it's your own genetically coded chemical. Did you feel kind of hyper yourself the last few weeks?
i always felt a lot of anticipation which i guess could have been nerves. that would result in cortisol release as well as, yes, adrenaline. but disgusted answered it for me - i was way too extreme with my one aldactone a day for 3 days. he's right, i should have been more moderate like Kamali.
-
that is sick conditioning in those pics
-
my last show i took one aldactone wed, thurs and fri. moderate carb deplete wed and thurs. loaded on icecream and cheesecake all friday. the bantomweight i travelled with took 3 aldactone a day from monday on and lost 4 lbs.
237 lbs. on thurs, 212 at weighin. i wish i could explain it, and stop it.
forearm vascularity is out of this world!
-
forearm vascularity is out of this world!
thanx, my vascularity actually blurred my definition at times.
-
thanx, my vascularity actually blurred my definition at times.
Do people comment on your vascularity?
You know "thats awfull", "do you take roids" and stuff like that makes you go ( ::) )
-
but if u nail it with diuretics and it could be that 1 time ,your the driest you'll ever see but it could be in your favor 1 time.that could be the difference between 1st and 3rd but thats the gamble.
-
thanx, my vascularity actually blurred my definition at times.
man...your veins are...scary.. :-[
-
man...your veins are...scary.. :-[
gee to me they look sublime
-
2 days out, no diuretics, no carbs, normal sodium, lots of water no carb up day of show.
king arms suck
-
2 days out, no diuretics, no carbs, normal sodium, lots of water no carb up day of show.
he is ripped there but no size whatsoever
-
looking good hazbin...
really cut and vascular
-
2 days out, no diuretics, no carbs, normal sodium, lots of water no carb up day of show.
Looks like dogshit
Give up kamali please
Your arms continue to get worse
-
his biceps seems to be getting shorter and shorter....
his arms look small all of 17 inches...
thats really bad for a pro
-
his biceps seems to be getting shorter and shorter....
his arms look small all of 17 inches...
thats really bad for a pro
they do appear garden variety
-
King actually looks really good here.
-
they do appear garden variety
when he came out in 2001 he looked good... from then its been down hill..
why has his arms deteriorated so badly?
-
when he came out in 2001 he looked good... from then its been down hill..
why has his arms deteriorated so badly?
yes...i remember when he was rookie of the year...1999-2000 he was very good
-
i always felt a lot of anticipation which i guess could have been nerves. that would result in cortisol release as well as, yes, adrenaline. but disgusted answered it for me - i was way too extreme with my one aldactone a day for 3 days. he's right, i should have been more moderate like Kamali.
Carb depletion plus aldactone, plus water depletion, plus sodium restriction, plus eating a bunch of crap the night before the show = what you will always look like on stage. Cortisol has NOTHING to do with it. If you think that the anticipation of your show is making your adrenals produce anymore cortisol than a good workout you need to do a little research about the human body instead of relying on some guru at the last minute to "produce a miracle".
-
Carb depletion plus aldactone, plus water depletion, plus sodium restriction, plus eating a bunch of crap the night before the show = what you will always look like on stage. Cortisol has NOTHING to do with it. If you think that the anticipation of your show is making your adrenals produce anymore cortisol than a good workout you need to do a little research about the human body instead of relying on some guru at the last minute to "produce a miracle".
oh, i agree with you. i just wish i was smart enough to have been as moderate as Kamali obviously has with his career.
-
oh, i agree with you. i just wish i was smart enough to have been as moderate as Kamali obviously has with his career.
I see. There was not always moderation with King, at least until he got with me.
-
Hazbin
I think the chemist nailed it partially on the head, but I think Cortisol is also part of the problem.Believe it or not, when the body releases cortisol due to stress, a person can lose huge amounts of weight.I seen a study on meth addicts who would lose up to 15lbs in one day from andrenaline output, and the anxiety of cortisol.
I am not saying your a tweeker but most tweekers are paranoid.So there body releases tons of cortisol.
Hazbin I think when your getting ready for a show you get so anxious and stressed, because you think your going to screw up or your not going to peak that your body releases tons of adrenealine and Cortisol.
I guarantee if you leanr to relax and take it easy, you will be just fine.Learn to meditate, or just chill.
You look great, your just letting your emotions get the best of you.
I have been there.I have been in the best shape of my life then got nervous, and strresed out to only watch my vacularity fade right before my eyes.