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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GetItOnNY on January 25, 2009, 10:07:32 AM
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I am not defending AD Cherry, but after looking at these photos, you can see that man was clearly off. Either 3 things happened, 1) he took to strong of a diuretic and it flattened him out 2) He took to much Cytodren and it smoothed him out .3) he got really stressed or nervous, and his body released cortisol.
He could have gotten to a fight with his wife, and it got him stressed out,or he was so nervous about looking bad on stage that his body released cortisol and made him smooth.
I am willing to bet cortisol is clearly the culprit here.I have seen guys look totally peeled the day before a show, and get in a fight with there girl, or get stressed out and within a day look smooth and flat.It happended to me on one occasion.Once your body releases cortisol and smooths you out, there is no saving you, no matter what you do or eat you will still look like shit.
AD Cherry seems like a really nice guy, and by looking at his precontest videos and pics he clearly dieted and did everything right.I just think something or someone upset him, and it smoothed him out.
What can be learned from this, avoid stress at all costs!!!!
AD seems to be a nice guy, and seems to have his head on straight, he just needs to pull it all together for a show.
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I am not defending AD Cherry, but after looking at these photos, you can see that man was clearly off.Either 3 things happened, 1)he took to strong of a diuretic and it flattened him out 2) He took to much Cytodren and it smoothed him out .3) he got really stressed or nervous, and his body released cortisol.
He could have gotten to a fight with his wife, and it got him stressed out,or he was so nervous about looking bad on stage that his body released cortisol and made him smooth.
I am willing to bet cortisol is clearly the culprit here.I have seen guys look totally peeled the day before a show, and get in a fight with there girl, or get stressed out and within a day look smooth and flat.It happended to me on one occasion.Once your body releases cortisol and smooths you out, there is no saving you, no matter what you do or eat you will still look like shit.
AD Cherry seems like a really nice guy, and by looking at his precontest videos and pics he clearly dieted and did everything right.I just think something or someone upset him, and it smoothed him out.
What can be learned from this, avoid stress at all costs!!!!
AD seems to be a nice guy, and seems to have his head on straight, he just needs to pull it all together for a show.
Got to be his wife's fault! ;D
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I am not defending AD Cherry, but after looking at these photos, you can see that man was clearly off.Either 3 things happened, 1)he took to strong of a diuretic and it flattened him out 2) He took to much Cytodren and it smoothed him out .3) he got really stressed or nervous, and his body released cortisol.
He could have gotten to a fight with his wife, and it got him stressed out,or he was so nervous about looking bad on stage that his body released cortisol and made him smooth.
I am willing to bet cortisol is clearly the culprit here.I have seen guys look totally peeled the day before a show, and get in a fight with there girl, or get stressed out and within a day look smooth and flat.It happended to me on one occasion.Once your body releases cortisol and smooths you out, there is no saving you, no matter what you do or eat you will still look like shit.
AD Cherry seems like a really nice guy, and by looking at his precontest videos and pics he clearly dieted and did everything right.I just think something or someone upset him, and it smoothed him out.
What can be learned from this, avoid stress at all costs!!!!
AD seems to be a nice guy, and seems to have his head on straight, he just needs to pull it all together for a show.
C'mon man.
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AD Cherry posted pics and videos of his contest prep, he was clearly on target.How does a guy go from being on target to off target like I said before 1 0f 3 things.1) Diuretic) Cytodren) Cortisol.
AD looked better 1 week out then he did on stage.So something he did made him look off.
Now if he looked like sh%$ a week out , then it was a lack of prep.He looked pretty good from the videos he posted.
The guy just let his nerves get the best of him or took something that flattened him out
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he looks like he added some good mass but his condidtion was terrible
I dont know what he hopes to achieve either, that pec tear will always prevent him from winning anything----Ive addressed the issue before but it's retarded he didnt take care of that injury immediately, thats like a NFL prospect blowing out his knee and not getting surgery on it until his knee is fucked
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he looks like he added some good mass but his condidtion was terrible
I dont know what he hopes to achieve either, that pec tear will always prevent him from winning anything----Ive addressed the issue before but it's retarded he didnt take care of that injury immediately, thats like a NFL prospect blowing out his knee and not getting surgery on it until his knee is fucked
tony freeman just got 4th at the mr O
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tony freeman just got 4th at the mr O
yeah but freeman's is not as apparent and bad as Cherry's-------plus, AD will never be as big as Freeman, he needs all hte asthetics adn symmetry he can get
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260359.0;attach=301344;image)
flat bench does this. stick to dumbbells.
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flat bench does this. stick to dumbbells.
You're saying he should've stuck with dumbells and machines.
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yeah but freeman's is not as apparent and bad as Cherry's-------plus, AD will never be as big as Freeman, he needs all hte asthetics adn symmetry he can get
oh i think freemans is just as apparant, more so in the front double bi. sticks out in that shot.
when freeman started lifting he was SKIIIINNNNNNYYYYY. i mean like a toothpick. at his height i believe he said he was like 155/165? its possible ad could get to his size.
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This is a man who you can tell is just flat.If you know what to look for you can see that his bodyfat is low, and he is very lean.
He is just flat.Something he did ,his body did not like, and this is the result of it.I bet after his stress level goes down or he eats up he will fill out and looked full and ripped.I beleive AD is a smart guy, he just let his nerves or something get the best of him.
He is only human, we all have off days
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C,mon Dude,
he is not "just" flat.
He has a significant amount of fat on his back, glutes and hams.
My guess is that he thought he would look too small if he was well conditioned,
and so decided to come in "big"
Compare him someone who actually diets properly.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260350.0;attach=301327;image)
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Either 3 things happened, 1)he took to strong of a diuretic and it flattened him out
How is that possible?
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C,mon Dude,
he is not "just" flat.
He has a significant amount of fat on his back, glutes and hams.
My guess is that he thought he would look too small if he was well conditioned,
and so decided to come in "big"
Compare him someone who actually diets properly.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260350.0;attach=301327;image)
Yup.
How is that possible?
Muscle = water. I don't think that's all he had a "problem" with though.
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Yup.
Muscle = water. I don't think that's all he had a "problem" with though.
Is there something "Van_Bilderass" ::)
Sorry i just couldnt resist :)
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Can someone post a picture of AD when he was at his best? I've never been present when he competed and have yet to see any contest photo of AD that impressed me in the least.
So maybe I just have to see a photo of what AD looked like at his best in my effort to form a more valid opinion.
I've heard tons of good stuff about this athlete but have never seen a decent shot of him to justify such adulation.
Thanks.
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maybe he had a couple of diet sodas and it ruined his diet?
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He needed another 2-4 weeks of hard dieting. He just wasn't lean enough. He wasn't flat or holden too much water he needed to diet more or harder.
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Reminds me of Luke Wood that one time he showed up like this.
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Can someone post a picture of AD when he was at his best? I've never been present when he competed and have yet to see any contest photo of AD that impressed me in the least.
So maybe I just have to see a photo of what AD looked like at his best in my effort to form a more valid opinion.
I've heard tons of good stuff about this athlete but have never seen a decent shot of him to justify such adulation.
Thanks.
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he looks great in those shots
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he looks great in those shots
WHERE ARE YOUR PICS BIG GUY
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WHERE ARE YOUR PICS BIG GUY
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Where are yours ? ;D
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Where are yours ? ;D
i posted one showing my stretch marks, how about you commando?
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i posted one showing my stretch marks, how about you commando?
I posted many over the years :D
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I posted many over the years :D
but not new ones big guy, time to thug up, lose fear against big foot and bring up the pictures. Stop evading the request, just do it
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im pretty sure AD willl come on here and tell us all what happened, but until then its all speculation.
it looks like something went totally wrong in the last few days, i could be wrong, but its not uncommon for a pro bodybuilder to go from looking like sugar to looking like shit in hours!!!
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Now that is a great shot - if he can bring that package he might make an impact
BTW Nice injection site
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Thanks, Tbomz, I will admit that those shots are exceptional. Hope he can do it again in another cotest.
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Maybe AD experienced an anal sensation similar what tbomz would normally experience and that ended up flattening him? ???
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Maybe AD experienced an anal sensation similar what tbomz would normally experience and that ended up flattening him? ???
Are you suggesting that anal creampies are not good for the dieting bodybuilder CJ :D
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Are you suggesting that anal creampies are not good for the dieting bodybuilder CJ :D
Maybe so. Perhaps swallowing as cumdizzle does to entire local YMCA minority bodybuilding competition would have kept AD fuller?
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his forearms are non existant
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Since we are all speculating, I'm going to go with what I believe ended Luke's career and go with liver failure...
I hope i'm wrong with my SPECULATION....
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I dont think hes in shape, But his body is in a high cortisol state for sure, could be the end of him, i have seen it happen before, where good body builders bodies just have an unusual reaction to the long term cortisol suppression of the use of anabolic steroids, amino gluthemide could be the culprit, its over use by bodybuilders over too many shows has resulted in the body not being able to control cortisol levels, if I was him, i would be getting a kidney function test as well, I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to look that way and would have worked hard, so definitely somethings out of sinc. Overuse of thyroid could also trigger the reaction, he needs a good rest thats for sure before he tries to come back. Similar reactions have been beginning of the downfall of some guys.
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I dont think hes in shape, But his body is in a high cortisol state for sure, could be the end of him, i have seen it happen before, where good body builders bodies just have an unusual reaction to the long term cortisol suppression of the use of anabolic steroids, amino gluthemide could be the culprit, its over use by bodybuilders over too many shows has resulted in the body not being able to control cortisol levels, if I was him, i would be getting a kidney function test as well, I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to look that way and would have worked hard, so definitely somethings out of sinc. Overuse of thyroid could also trigger the reaction, he needs a good rest thats for sure before he tries to come back. Similar reactions have been beginning of the downfall of some guys.
Honest, how many of these guys ignore blood droplets in their urine?
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Most of them would think that they were just dehydrated if they had an orange looking urine, and would put it down to just pre contest dehydration, then theres always the problem with bodybuilders and mirrors in bathrooms most of them wouldnt even notice the colour as the would be to busy checking themselves out how big and ripped they look taking a piss. ;D
On a serious note most guys pre contest wouldnt stop from what i have experianced first hand, off season they would take a break and drop orals or switch substances, but pre contest they would keep going until they needed to be hospitalised, thats one of the hard things about the sport, its hard to be competitive at the top level whilst putting your health as the top priority, i love the sport, but its madness, Flexs book is a shit read, but it is interesting to the point of the kidney issues he was having and being continually hospitalised, but yet he kept taking diuretics, thats sad for him, but also everyuone trying to beat him, as they are forced to the same extreme in an attempt to beat him.
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Most of them would think that they were just dehydrated if they had an orange looking urine, and would put it down to just pre contest dehydration, then theres always the problem with bodybuilders and mirrors in bathrooms most of them wouldnt even notice the colour as the would be to busy checking themselves out how big and ripped they look taking a piss. ;D
On a serious note most guys pre contest wouldnt stop from what i have experianced first hand, off season they would take a break and drop orals or switch substances, but pre contest they would keep going until they needed to be hospitalised, thats one of the hard things about the sport, its hard to be competitive at the top level whilst putting your health as the top priority, i love the sport, but its madness, Flexs book is a shit read, but it is interesting to the point of the kidney issues he was having and being continually hospitalised, but yet he kept taking diuretics, thats sad for him, but also everyuone trying to beat him, as they are forced to the same extreme in an attempt to beat him.
interesting view of sportsmanship
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Maybe it was the pancakes.
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his forearms are non existant
I must have good eyes cos i can see them, they are in the usual place between the elbows and hands - look hard.
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I am not defending AD Cherry,
If you're not gonna defend him, who will?
For the love of god!
Someone!
Defend this kid!
AD Cherry is a nice kid.
YOU BASTARDS! DON'T YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY IN YOUR BODY NONE WHATSOEVER?!!!
WON'T ANYONE DEFEND THIS KID?
HE'S JUST A KID FOR GODS SAKE?
YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
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If you're not gonna defend him, who will?
For the love of god!
Someone!
Defend this kid!
AD Cherry is a nice kid.
YOU BASTARDS! DON'T YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY IN YOUR BODY NONE WHATSOEVER?!!!
WON'T ANYONE DEFEND THIS KID?
HE'S JUST A KID FOR GODS SAKE?
YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
A.D MAY BE A NICE KID BUT THE PHYSIQUE HE BROUGHT TO THE IRONMAN WOULD HAVE TROUBLE WINNING A LOCAL SHOW, LET ALONE A PRO SHOW.
AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHOUT OUT HOW GOOD YOU ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE A SHOW, YOU NEED TO BRING YOUR A GAME - HE DID'NT
NOTHING PERSONAL
JUST FACTS
P.S. STOP SHOUTING :D
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I love the "I'm not trying to defend x" (then the person goes on to defend x).....or the: "not to be a dick but"(then the person goes on to be a dick). Haha.
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If you're not gonna defend him, who will?
For the love of god!
Someone!
Defend this kid!
AD Cherry is a nice kid.
YOU BASTARDS! DON'T YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY IN YOUR BODY NONE WHATSOEVER?!!!
WON'T ANYONE DEFEND THIS KID?
HE'S JUST A KID FOR GODS SAKE?
YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
HAHhahahahahahaha
GetitonNY's posts aren't even worth reading-----he has no objectivity whatsoever. Anybody that knows anything about pro BBIng can see through his shitty posts that 99% of the time are basically him with his tongue buried in whatever pro's jock he's currently riding :-\
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his forearms are non existant
You also think Phil Heath looks like your "average juiced up gym rat".
Please post a pick of your monster forearms bro :D
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Most of them would think that they were just dehydrated if they had an orange looking urine, and would put it down to just pre contest dehydration, then theres always the problem with bodybuilders and mirrors in bathrooms most of them wouldnt even notice the colour as the would be to busy checking themselves out how big and ripped they look taking a piss. ;D
On a serious note most guys pre contest wouldnt stop from what i have experianced first hand, off season they would take a break and drop orals or switch substances, but pre contest they would keep going until they needed to be hospitalised, thats one of the hard things about the sport, its hard to be competitive at the top level whilst putting your health as the top priority, i love the sport, but its madness, Flexs book is a shit read, but it is interesting to the point of the kidney issues he was having and being continually hospitalised, but yet he kept taking diuretics, thats sad for him, but also everyuone trying to beat him, as they are forced to the same extreme in an attempt to beat him.
great point here. there's a very fine line between being hospitalized and winning that plastic trophy and the admiration of all the schmoes.
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ACTUALLY MY POST WAS DEFENDING AD CHERRY, EVEN THOUGH ITS SAYS I AM NOT DEFENDING AD CHERRY.
I think AD Cherry is a good guy who just had a bad day.Honest thank you for your post on the realease of cortisol, I was thinking the same think but I didnt want to "go over peoples heads" with my explanation.
I think cortisol is surely to blame here
HONEST I think is spot on here
I dont think hes in shape, But his body is in a high cortisol state for sure, could be the end of him, i have seen it happen before, where good body builders bodies just have an unusual reaction to the long term cortisol suppression of the use of anabolic steroids, amino gluthemide could be the culprit, its over use by bodybuilders over too many shows has resulted in the body not being able to control cortisol levels, if I was him, i would be getting a kidney function test as well, I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to look that way and would have worked hard, so definitely somethings out of sinc. Overuse of thyroid could also trigger the reaction, he needs a good rest thats for sure before he tries to come back. Similar reactions have been beginning of the downfall of some guys.
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AD@ 2 weeks out
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Same thing happened to me when i 'spilled over'
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I dont think hes in shape, But his body is in a high cortisol state for sure, could be the end of him, i have seen it happen before, where good body builders bodies just have an unusual reaction to the long term cortisol suppression of the use of anabolic steroids, amino gluthemide could be the culprit, its over use by bodybuilders over too many shows has resulted in the body not being able to control cortisol levels, if I was him, i would be getting a kidney function test as well, I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to look that way and would have worked hard, so definitely somethings out of sinc. Overuse of thyroid could also trigger the reaction, he needs a good rest thats for sure before he tries to come back. Similar reactions have been beginning of the downfall of some guys.
... or... he just didn't get lean enough and didn't use as many drugs as he did as an amateur. For whatever reason. He did mention that he lowered his intake for last years show (compared to his amateur days). Could be a less drastic water depletion compared to his amateur days too. The pressure is off in a sense... "no reason to kill yourself". Just speculating. :)
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He didnt spill over, I just think Cortisol is the culprit.That or a really really strong diuretic, which I doubt.
I have seen people take to much Lasix, and look like this though
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Van AD is a recovering Alcoholic, he mentioned that in an article in MD.That maybe the reason why he cut back his anabolic useage.That also maybe why his body didnt look as good come show time.He trained and did as much cardio as he did when he used more anabolics.Which inturn overtrained his body so it released cortisol.
What I really think happened, he got into a major arguement with his wife, gf, ex-wife or a family member, and he got really mad or upset.It created so much stress and adrenaline that his body just smoothed out.
This happened to me once.I was doing a show in Florida, I prepared for the show for 6 months.I dieted 12 weeks.I was all natural at the time.The promoter Lou Zwick, who a total jerk screwed over all his athletes.
The prejudging was supposed to be Friday at 4pm, but he didnt sell enough tickets, so he changed prejudging to Saturday at 6 pm, but didnt tell anybody.He said he called all the athletes which was bullshit, because nobody but his star athletes said they got a call.So everybody but a few guys were off.I was so stressed and pissed my body just smoothed out.I timed everything so I would peak for Friday night, only to find out the show was changed last minute.I still managed to place 4th in Muscle Mania but I was definatly off.So was most of the guys in the show.The only thing that helped me was putting Preperation H and putting on sweats and posing in a sauna.
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What I really think happened, he got into a major arguement with his wife, gf, ex-wife or a family member, and he got really mad or upset.It created so much stress and adrenaline that his body just smoothed out.
You must have some "inside info" straight from AD... or else you wouldn't speculate like this ??? Come on, spill the beans. What's your relationship to AD? :D
You must admit he wasn't as lean as he should've been to place well. He didn't just "smooth out" due to stress. An enhanced athlete wouldn't have a normal stress response anyway. :D
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That aint stress or cortisol. He didn't diet long enough or hard enough. If he is in the Arnold then he'll be fine for it as long as he goes right back on his diet. Even in that 2 week out vid he looks behind to me. I know he came on here saying that we don't know his physique so how can we judge if he's behind, well seeing as how he was way off at the IronMan I'd say he was behind at 2 weeks out and still behind the day of. He has to be shredded to place well with the size he has.