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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Straw Man on January 27, 2009, 08:54:17 PM
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are you listening Repugs?
read between the lines
or look in the mirror
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are you listening Repugs?
read between the lines
or look in the mirror
plz link us
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plz link us
www.foxnews.com
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www.foxnews.com
didnt see anything
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5601076.ece
Al-Qaeda leaders, having lost what one former CIA official described this week as “a near-perfect foil” in Mr Bush, have branded Mr Obama a “house Negro,” and an “enemy of Muslims”.
Mr Obama said: “I cannot respect terrorist organisations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down.”
He added that al-Qaeda seemed nervous, saying: “What that tells me is that their ideas are bankrupt. What they've been doing is destroying things. And over time, I think the Muslim world has recognised that that path is leading no place, except more death and destruction.
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does anyone remember this
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"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."
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It's a start, a small but growing number of the Muslim world has had enough of the terrorism, the suicide bombings and all the violence perpetuated by Muslims in the name of God. They understand that AQ and the other groups are doing nothing more than making the rest of the world hate them because they're lumped into the same group.
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I like it, but i would like to see what happens when iran or another radical islamic state doesnt goes against his will or does something inspite of his wishes or agreements.
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I like it, but i would like to see what happens when iran or another radical islamic state doesnt goes against his will or does something inspite of his wishes or agreements.
I think the usual posturing will happen but I also think we're all ready to make some f'ng progress
great quote by Abraham Maslow:
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
I think Obama realizes he has more things than a hammer in his toolbox
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I think the usual posturing will happen but I also think we're all ready to make some f'ng progress
great quote by Abraham Maslow:
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
I think Obama realizes he has more things than a hammer in his toolbox
very good quote, i like it
problem is that some problems actually are nails and im not quite sure obama is willing to use a hammer.
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very good quote, i like it
problem is that some problems actually are nails and im not quite sure obama is willing to use a hammer.
I'm pretty sure Obama knows or will take "advices" on when a hammer is the right tool for the job
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I'm pretty sure Obama knows or will take "advices" on when a hammer is the right tool for the job
im sure he will to if he is pushed far enough
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Islamism is louder and more prominent in Western Societies than it has ever been.
Any self respecting demographic (i.e. muslims) would question the actions of al'Qaeda after such events as 911, London and Madrid train bombings but overall the muslims of Western nations are (increasingly) sympathetic of such acts against humanity. al'Qaeda's mind share has infiltrated Western muslims and from their perspective it can be seen as a huge success.
The problem is entirely the islamic ideology, you can't win either way given its nature of supremicism. The West continues to accommodate, giving a mile to islamic norms instead of an inch. If the ideas are bankrupt why are more and more Western muslims fulfilling their duties in jihad?
Obama is just making noise - not that that's a bad thing because sometimes writing off an enemies efforts (especially ideological) can put you in a stronger position.
Simply waking up is what the Western world needs to do to preserve ourselves.
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I like it, but i would like to see what happens when iran or another radical islamic state doesnt goes against his will or does something inspite of his wishes or agreements.
so far, he hasn't pussy-footed around. he's still firing missiles into pakistani targets just as bush did. He's telling BOTH sides of the isr/pal conflict that they both need to settle down. He's diffusing the hatred that these little 14-year old suicide bombers have for us... smart move.
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so far, he hasn't pussy-footed around. he's still firing missiles into pakistani targets just as bush did. He's telling BOTH sides of the isr/pal conflict that they both need to settle down. He's diffusing the hatred that these little 14-year old suicide bombers have for us... smart move.
dude he hasnt done anything yet get your head out of his ass, he is continuing what BUSH started, he made statements, and he made a stupid political based move that will do nothing and is only to appease far left nuts in this country you yourself have said it wont make a difference. Wait till a radical islamic state does something awful which will happen and then lets see what he does talks or acts.
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so far, he hasn't pussy-footed around. he's still firing missiles into pakistani targets just as bush did. He's telling BOTH sides of the isr/pal conflict that they both need to settle down. He's diffusing the hatred that these little 14-year old suicide bombers have for us... smart move.
Nothing he says will ever stop that....these people don't work like that.
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Nothing he says will ever stop that....these people don't work like that.
you could be right but why not start out with some diplomacy first.
the whole f'ng planet is sick and tired of this shit
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Straw...sure but we'be been doing this since we crawled out of a cave. Yes we are sick of it, but these aren't the Russians, Germans...or even Japanese. They look at a break in fighting, as a way to rest and re arm. A way to make em stop is to kill them,cut off their arms and supplies and turn the people around them against them. Thats the biggest thing, turn off popular support. Thats not all our problem. Pakistan has to step up, provide security and stability within their own country.
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you could be right but why not start out with some diplomacy first.
the whole f'ng planet is sick and tired of this shit
War is a fact of life. Read Sun Tzu instead of the NYT for a change and maybe you will understand that your naive liberal views are just not in line with historical reality.
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Straw...sure but we'be been doing this since we crawled out of a cave. Yes we are sick of it, but these aren't the Russians, Germans...or even Japanese. They look at a break in fighting, as a way to rest and re arm. A way to make em stop is to kill them,cut off their arms and supplies and turn the people around them against them. Thats the biggest thing, turn off popular support. Thats not all our problem. Pakistan has to step up, provide security and stability within their own country.
the point is if we keep doing the same thing we'll keep getting the same result
it's time to try something different or at least make the attempt.
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Sure...from Sec Gates.... and I agree Straw but I would say that when u look at Afghanistan....look at it completely different then Iraq.
Gates: U.S. lacks strategic plan to win in Afghanistan
Narcotics trade, corruption are impeding efforts, he told Senate committee By David Wood | david.wood@baltsun.com
12:11 PM EST, January 27, 2009
WASHINGTON - After more than seven years of combat, the United States still does not have a unified strategic plan for winning the war against radical Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged today.
"This will undoubtedly be a long and difficult fight,'' said Gates, adding that the narcotics trade and official corruption "at the high levels'' of the Afghan government are impeding the fight.
"Our greatest military challenge right now is Afghanistan,'' he told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
With the fighting in Iraq largely subsided, Gates said, "the extremists have largely returned their attention to that region.''
He acknowledged that the coordination of military and political efforts against the Taliban "has been less than stellar.''
The search for a new Afghanistan strategy has been under way in Washington for months, with a thorough White House review completed in the final weeks of the Bush administration and parallel studies by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in the region, and by the incoming Obama administration.
President Obama has vowed to send additional troops, and the top commander in Afghanistan, U.S. Army Gen. David McKiernan, has asked for about 30,000 more troops, almost double the number currently deployed there.
But with no overall guiding strategy, top military commanders and civilian officials are in disagreement over what missions the additional troops should be assigned, and how those missions should be coordinated into an overall strategy, officials said.
Among those uncomfortable with sending more troops without a clear strategy was Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who lost his campaign for president last year to Obama.
"We need to develop and articulate a clear strategy with measurable performance goals'' in Afghanistan, McCain said at today's hearing.
"More troops are just a piece of what is required. And we need to address the corruption and narcotics problems much more forthrightly than we have so far,'' McCain said.
Explaining the lack of a strategy, Gates argued that Afghanistan is more complex than Iraq, where Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker forged a unified campaign plan that coordinated military action with political pressure and civilian development work. That effort is widely credited with helping quell the violence in Iraq.
But in Afghanistan, Gates said, the United States is partnering with some 40 countries along with the United Nations, NATO, the European Union and hundreds of private development agencies.
"Figuring out how to coordinate all that, and then how to coordinate that work with military operations, is a very complex business," he said.
Under sharp questioning, Gates also acknowledged that the narcotics trade, which provides some $400 million a year to finance the Taliban, must be brought under control before the war can be won.
In recent weeks, he has changed the combat engagement rules to enable U.S. forces to attack drug lords and drug labs if there is evidence they are financing the Taliban. He asked for patience to see whether this has an effect.
Previously, U.S. combat forces were directed not to engage the drug trade. Instead, NATO and the Afghan government were supposed to handle the narcotics trade, but senior U.S. officials say that approach has not worked.
Last week Gen. James T. Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps, said that the U.S. military role is to support Afghan forces in counter-drug operations and not to take the lead in such attacks. The Afghan government's weak military and police forces, and its own corruption with drug profits, raised some skepticism about whether it would begin now to act aggressively against drug lords.
Gates, asked today if he thought the Afghan government would move against the drug trade in the near future, replied: "Probably not.''
The Pentagon chief, who was appointed in late 2006 by then- President Bush and retained by President Obama, also acknowledged that U.S. air strikes that have killed hundreds of Afghan civilians each year are "doing us enormous harm.
"We have got to do better in terms of avoiding casualties -- and I say that knowing full well the Taliban mingle among the people, use them as barriers," Gates told the committee. "But when we go ahead and attack, we play right into their hands.
"My worry is that the Afghans come to see us as part of the problem rather than as part of their solution -- and then we are lost," Gates said.
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I'm not suggesting in any way that we're all going to suddenly become friends with the rest of the world and drink beers and have a barbeque together. War and conflict will be ongoing but Obama has the attention of the world right now and he might as well start by opening a channel of communication. This is directed at the people and not the nutbag terrorists.
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Islamism is louder and more prominent in Western Societies than it has ever been.
Any self respecting demographic (i.e. muslims) would question the actions of al'Qaeda after such events as 911, London and Madrid train bombings but overall the muslims of Western nations are (increasingly) sympathetic of such acts against humanity. al'Qaeda's mind share has infiltrated Western muslims and from their perspective it can be seen as a huge success.
The problem is entirely the islamic ideology, you can't win either way given its nature of supremicism. The West continues to accommodate, giving a mile to islamic norms instead of an inch. If the ideas are bankrupt why are more and more Western muslims fulfilling their duties in jihad?
Obama is just making noise - not that that's a bad thing because sometimes writing off an enemies efforts (especially ideological) can put you in a stronger position.
Simply waking up is what the Western world needs to do to preserve ourselves.
40%+ of Muslims polled in Britain last year think that Sharia Law should be implemented and that Western society as we know it needs to be eradicated. This apologist bullshit defending these people WILL be the death of our way of life.
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I'm not suggesting in any way that we're all going to suddenly become friends with the rest of the world and drink beers and have a barbeque together. War and conflict will be ongoing but Obama has the attention of the world right now and he might as well start by opening a channel of communication. This is directed at the people and not the nutbag terrorists.
And thats what p4 wants to do.....peel off those that can be peeled.
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40%+ of Muslims polled in Britain last year think that Sharia Law should be implemented and that Western society as we know it needs to be eradicated. This apologist bullshit defending these people WILL be the death of our way of life.
simple answer = tough shit
if you want to live in England you follow their rules
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simple answer = tough shit
if you want to live in England you follow their rules
The British government has already make concessions for sharia law. Due to the rising number of muslims in the EU full concession into sharia or a parrellel legal system is almost inevitable (at current rate). Hopefully there is time to change.
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The British government has already make concessions for sharia law. Due to the rising number of muslims in the EU full concession into sharia or a parrellel legal system is almost inevitable (at current rate). Hopefully there is time to change.
I'm glad a few people on here can see through all the propaganda bullshit. Obama goes on T.V. and says some lame shit and now he's God. Bush fights the war in afghanistan and its called the forgotten war.
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I'm glad a few people on here can see through all the propaganda bullshit. Obama goes on T.V. and says some lame shit and now he's God. Bush fights the war in afghanistan and its called the forgotten war.
Wait till you see the letter he is sending to Iran. This is going to get worse by the hour with ZERO.
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I'm glad a few people on here can see through all the propaganda bullshit. Obama goes on T.V. and says some lame shit and now he's God. Bush fights the war in afghanistan and its called the forgotten war.
Bush never funded the war in Afghanistan properly. He was the first one to forget it.
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It was funded and fought well...this is not Iraq. Its a SOF war, a quiet war and much different then what we face in Iraq. The drive by media wants to say that we're seeing a resurgence in AQ/Taliban ops. AQ has by in large left Iraq for Afganistan, where it can hide in the Pakistani tribal regions. U also have to look at the political and military situation in Pakistan since 2001 and see how influence in that region has continually shrunk. U have to look at the battles that the Pakistani military has lost. Each time they loose, they have brough more support for AQ and the Taliban. AQ can hide in Afghanistan, it can rest in Pakistan. It can't do those things in a population such as Iraq, who truly want peace and prosperity, regardless of democracy. Bush wanted democracy for Afghanistan but we're going to have to settle for rubble that makes no trouble.
Also NATO has been next to useless there. Many of the NATO nations have been tasked with training the Afghan army and police. They either don't do it, or do it poorly. This has sety back the whole process.
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Obama is weak on terror. He would not see the treatment of those in Cuba as harsh otherwize. You people that voted this man in are going to see just how wrong he is soon.