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Title: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 28, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
10% of the country gets them.  And that number is climbing.

I could really go for a free $200 worth of steak and Oreos each month.

Anyone have a link to the paperwork?  I'd like to get started next month.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 28, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
My grandma used to use em' when she was alive. I used to go with her to the supermarket and use em. Needless to say they had to call the manager every time and whatnot to verify and write your name on a list. It's a process everytime. It's not like a second currency where u just hand to the cashier and go about your business
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Hereford on January 28, 2009, 10:18:03 PM
My grandma used to use em' when she was alive. I used to go with her to the supermarket and use em. Needless to say they had to call the manager every time and whatnot to verify and write your name on a list. It's a process everytime. It's not like a second currency where u just hand to the cashier and go about your business

What the fu.....

I'm waving the bullshit flag on this one.

The local market in my town always has piles of mexicans in it, and 90%+ pay with foodstamps. There is no list or verification. Most of the time they don't even prevent them from using them on alcohol and ice cream and energy drinks.

It IS like a second currency. Just like using cold, hard cash...... only it's all free.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: grab an umbrella on January 28, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
you want food stamps ? try this

You get a card just like a credit card now.  It's called EBT, there are no "stamps" anymore.  You can't buy alcohol or cigs, but everything else is free game.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 2ND COMING on January 28, 2009, 10:36:36 PM
What the fu.....

I'm waving the bullshit flag on this one.

The local market in my town always has piles of mexicans in it, and 90%+ pay with foodstamps. There is no list or verification. Most of the time they don't even prevent them from using them on alcohol and ice cream and energy drinks.

It IS like a second currency. Just like using cold, hard cash...... only it's all free.

where do u live? here in ny most small market places dont even take them foodstamps.

Why would i bullshit Lol?
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Hereford on January 28, 2009, 10:43:16 PM
where do u live? here in ny most small market places dont even take them foodstamps.

Why would i bullshit Lol?

No offense dude,

I live in Cali, and you can get anything with foodstamps here. They use those EBT cards like grab is talking about too, but the illegals use actual papers every time. In alot of towns all the stores take them, even 7-11 type convenience stores. Most of their clientele uses them.

BTW, to get food stamps (or WIC) you don't have to actually PROOVE anything. They don't validate anything in California.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 29, 2009, 01:07:29 AM
They should make it law that you can't by junk/refined/transfat/ghetto food with food stamps.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 29, 2009, 03:56:36 AM
you can't buy red bull with food stamps.

you use a little EFT/checkcard.  It just automatically pays for everything eligible, and then you have to pay cash or use your other check card for the non-foods. 
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 06:30:20 AM
You should only be able to use food stamps for certain items.  If our tax $ is feeding people in dire straits then we have a right to restrict certain items (ie, high cost food, expensive brands when generics are available, cigarettes, alcohol, etc).

I've seen people use food assistance without any issue at grocery stores.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 06:31:16 AM
The new democratic economic stimulus plan includes plenty of $ for increasing food stamp provisions, so 240 perhaps you'll get your wish.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 06:33:01 AM
10% of the country gets them.  And that number is climbing.

I could really go for a free $200 worth of steak and Oreos each month.

Anyone have a link to the paperwork?  I'd like to get started next month.  Thanks in advance.

You have your buddies Pelosi and Obama to thank for promoting welfare and food stamps over grit, perseverance, and toughness.

What a joke we have become.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 06:43:05 AM
I think reality has really hit this week.  We feel what its like to have unbalanced power in government.  This stimulus, with all its extras, should absolutely not pass.  Even with 100% no votes by republicans, the bill passed fairly easily because of the lopsided control.

Obama talked about compromise and consessions, but he only removed 1 out of many bullshit pork items in the bill that the dems put in.  Obama needs to preside over a more balance of power in the congress.  I think he may work with repubs but its not really necessary with this lopsided gov.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 06:46:48 AM
I think reality has really hit this week.  We feel what its like to have unbalanced power in government.  This stimulus, with all its extras, should absolutely not pass.  Even with 100% no votes by republicans, the bill passed fairly easily because of the lopsided control.

Obama talked about compromise and consessions, but he only removed 1 out of many bullshit pork items in the bill that the dems put in.  Obama needs to preside over a more balance of power in the congress.  I think he may work with repubs but its not really necessary with this lopsided gov.

Look, the message being sent to the citizens is clear.  IT IS BETTER TO BE SERF!

There are many on this board who seem all too eager to bow down to the king and accept their serf status to King Obama and Queen Pelosi.

Its disgusting how quickly many of these people embarce their shackles.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: headhuntersix on January 29, 2009, 06:51:06 AM
Its actually a great plan...built in voter blocks with generations of votes built in. I'd be fucking embarassed to use food stamps.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 07:05:32 AM
Americans should be embarrassed to use food assistance and using other's $ to support them.  We used to be a proud people.  Some people really benefit by the program for a period of time but it should never be a lifestyle.  This shouldn't have to be spoken, having pride should be understood.


I'm really upset about this.  i don't think people understand the deficit consequences.  They will raise taxes to offset some of this when the economy improves...or the interest on our national deficit will kill us.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 07:08:14 AM
Americans should be embarrassed to use food assistance and using other's $ to support them.  We used to be a proud people.  Some people really benefit by the program for a period of time but it should never be a lifestyle.  This shouldn't have to be spoken, having pride should be understood.


I'm really upset about this.  i don't think people understand the deficit consequences.  They will raise taxes to offset some of this when the economy improves...or the interest on our national deficit will kill us.


CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: CQ on January 29, 2009, 07:11:23 AM
Americans should be embarrassed to use food assistance and using other's $ to support them. 

That should start from the top though, seriously, as if one thinks the USA itself is always using other money to support itself, lagets debtor in the world and seems not to be embarrassed about it.

It's why I always snigger when people complain that Obama wanted socialism. The USA has long, long been a socialist state anyway - I say that as someone is lives in a *true* capitalist society. Here you simply work, or do not eat. Pretty simple to understand.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 29, 2009, 07:14:57 AM
HH6 is right.

If Obama can get 51% of the population on Food Stamp, the dems will win re--eleciton indefinitely.

Its actually a great plan...built in voter blocks with generations of votes built in. I'd be fucking embarassed to use food stamps.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: headhuntersix on January 29, 2009, 07:16:58 AM
Then he can get amnesty for aliens and get them on food stamps...another massive block of dependant succubi.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 07:26:19 AM
HH6 is right.

If Obama can get 51% of the population on Food Stamp, the dems will win re--eleciton indefinitely.


And you think that is a good thing???????????

51% of the slaves in this nation always voting for more free stuff from taxpayers?????????

Good job 240 - keep cheering on the Master Slave Owner - Obama.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 07:34:33 AM
"That should start from the top though, seriously, as if one thinks the USA itself is always using other money to support itself, lagets debtor in the world and seems not to be embarrassed about it."

Exactly, I don't understand deficit spending outside of a war or something lifethreatening like that.  I don't understand our government.  You don't spend what you don't have, thats why we have budgets.  Many states have done this and are all requesting federal $.  This federal bailout will increase our national deficit to nearly 11 trillion dollars...we don't even understand that amount of $, but we do have to pay the interest on it!  Eliminating our debt eliminates the interest payments which alone is a huge federal yearly expense...for nothing.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 29, 2009, 07:44:09 AM
51% of the slaves in this nation always voting for more free stuff from taxpayers?????????

in all fairness, I'm a taxpayer too.

I'm going to be writing a check for several thousand bucks this year for my taxes.  Sweet sassy malassy, that seriously pains me to do so.

So if Obama can give some of that back to me in the form of food stamps, that would rock :)
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
240, the key is not to overspend and not have an 11 trillion dollar deficit.  We are continuing to go in the wrong direction.  Bush is certainly partly to blame but the spending has really increased and the economy taking a greater dive in 2006, when we had a republican president who did not act like a conservative and the democrats took over the congress.

Also, everyone above the poverty line should pay taxes, whatever the %.  That way whenever the gov wants to overspend or raise taxes, everyone has a stake in it and everyone should balance the cost vs benefit to the nation.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 29, 2009, 07:59:33 AM
240, the key is not to overspend and not have an 11 trillion dollar deficit. 

the $ will be spent regardless.  We can agree on that much, right?

Both the D's and R's want it.  R's prefer it be tax breaks that are much larger, as Bush employed.  Dems prefer social programs which do employ a lot of ppl (and unemployment is 11-12% today).

if they're going to give anyone the $, I'd say give it to the people who need jobs, not the people with jobs earning 200k who already have jobs.  IMO they've been hooked up for 8 straight years, and we know that has killed the middle class.

Don't worry though.. .in 8 years, the pendulum will swing.  The upper middle class will be healthy again, and people will vote a repub in, in 2016 or 2020.  He'll hook up the rich like Reagan and Bush did, and the cycle will continue.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: headhuntersix on January 29, 2009, 08:03:28 AM
Have u ever worked for a poor person...do poor people create jobs, build wealth, create industry. A massive chunk of the bill is to bail out poor people or fund lib wish projects. How much can be tied to stimulating the economy? Sending cash to the NEA does nothing for anybody.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 08:04:17 AM
Government jobs should not count since they cost the taxpayer money.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Hereford on January 29, 2009, 08:48:18 AM
Government jobs should not count since they cost the taxpayer money.

Thats what I'm sayin too.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 29, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
The stimulus has to go primarily to the whole middle class and businesses.  If you give the majority of stimulus to the poor it will definitely not stimulate the economy significantly and certainly not create many jobs.  However, giving the majority to the wealthy may not work well either.  You have to create the climate for jobs to be created...but gov can only do so much.  Thats why spending to this degree is unwise IMO.  The gov can only affect the economy so much.  The best idea is to cut spending and put $ in people's pockets by reducing taxation across the board and pick definite items that will create jobs (ie the infrastructure spending).

 A great idea was to reduce or eliminate the payroll tax for a period of time.  That puts $ in people's pockets (that would normally be taken out of each check) and helps businesses, who pay half the employee tax.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: glen13 on January 29, 2009, 09:07:09 AM
Food stamps, can you use stamps at the botty clubs, poker house, or at the  get high spot. If not I don't need them.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Hereford on January 29, 2009, 09:08:04 AM
The stimulus has to go primarily to the whole middle class and businesses.  If you give the majority of stimulus to the poor it will definitely not stimulate the economy significantly and certainly not create many jobs.  However, giving the majority to the wealthy may not work either.

Thats why there should be tax cuts across the board.  A great idea was to reduce or eliminate the payroll tax for a period of time.  That puts $ in people's pockets (that would normally be taken out of each check) and helps businesses, who pay half the employee tax.

An excellent idea! However this recent stimulus package the Dems put out is a thinly vailed public handout. They do want to give the majority of the funds to the poor and irrelevant in the US. Perhaps as a little 'Thank You" for the election?

How does dumping money into inner-city schools, unemployment and food stamps stimulate anything? "We are going to pay you not not work as a way of making you more productive"

Only in liberal America is this logic not questioned....
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 29, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
This money is all going to democrat voters.  The poor welfare cases, the beauracrats, the charities, the schools, etc.

the people who ACTUALLY PAY THE TAXES ARE NOT GOING TO GET SQUAT!
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: liberalismo on January 29, 2009, 06:48:09 PM
I USED TO WORK IN A GROCERY STORE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

There are 2 general types of "food stamps", though neither are stamps. Those old "Food stamps" of fake looking bills are no longer used.

Type 1- Woman/Infant/Children (WIC) are specialized food programs for women parenting infants or young children. They go in with a list that has all of the food items on it that they must get and it pays for that. Generally only certain brands of cheese, powder milk, cereal, etc.


Type 2- EBT card. It's a little card that looks like a credit card that they swipe and it pays for the food. It pays for EVERYTHING except prepared food. I think that people who use it are given a certain amount of $$$ each month for it and they have to use it at the grocery store.



I think that there are 2 problems with these programs.

1st problem--People abuse it. People who don't need it use it for free food. People who come into stores with Ipods or expensive cell phones using food cards, obviously cheating the system.

2nd problem--I've heard stories that it is especially difficult for non-minorities (non Caucasians) to get on these programs.


The system needs a total overhaul. It needs to prevent people taking advantage of the system and it needs to avoid racism.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: gordiano on January 30, 2009, 01:29:05 AM
I USED TO WORK IN A GROCERY STORE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

There are 2 general types of "food stamps", though neither are stamps. Those old "Food stamps" of fake looking bills are no longer used.

Type 1- Woman/Infant/Children (WIC) are specialized food programs for women parenting infants or young children. They go in with a list that has all of the food items on it that they must get and it pays for that. Generally only certain brands of cheese, powder milk, cereal, etc.


Type 2- EBT card. It's a little card that looks like a credit card that they swipe and it pays for the food. It pays for EVERYTHING except prepared food. I think that people who use it are given a certain amount of $$$ each month for it and they have to use it at the grocery store.



I think that there are 2 problems with these programs.

1st problem--People abuse it. People who don't need it use it for free food. People who come into stores with Ipods or expensive cell phones using food cards, obviously cheating the system.

2nd problem--I've heard stories that it is especially difficult for non-minorities (non Caucasians) to get on these programs.


The system needs a total overhaul. It needs to prevent people taking advantage of the system and it needs to avoid racism.


Man, my old gym used to be next door to the Welfare office (industrial part of town). You should have seen the scumbags, who pulled up in their fancy cars to sign up and abuse the system..... :-\

Funny how things work....I  drove a junker (to work), and these fuckers drove nice ass cars while on welfare....
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 05:58:07 AM
I USED TO WORK IN A GROCERY STORE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

There are 2 general types of "food stamps", though neither are stamps. Those old "Food stamps" of fake looking bills are no longer used.

Type 1- Woman/Infant/Children (WIC) are specialized food programs for women parenting infants or young children. They go in with a list that has all of the food items on it that they must get and it pays for that. Generally only certain brands of cheese, powder milk, cereal, etc.


Type 2- EBT card. It's a little card that looks like a credit card that they swipe and it pays for the food. It pays for EVERYTHING except prepared food. I think that people who use it are given a certain amount of $$$ each month for it and they have to use it at the grocery store.


Good post.  I dont understand why they cant have food centers or something like a red cross station where these people have to show up and get their food rations as part of this.
I think that there are 2 problems with these programs.

1st problem--People abuse it. People who don't need it use it for free food. People who come into stores with Ipods or expensive cell phones using food cards, obviously cheating the system.

2nd problem--I've heard stories that it is especially difficult for non-minorities (non Caucasians) to get on these programs.


The system needs a total overhaul. It needs to prevent people taking advantage of the system and it needs to avoid racism.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 06:04:24 AM
Good info liberalismo.

I heard this AM that there are billions of dollars in the stimulus package going to schools for education...again, what the hell does that have to do with economic stimulus.  This was discussed and criticized by the former secretary of education. 

When I wrote my senator, he (or an aid, of course) replied that part of the stimulus needs to be saftey net provisions, ie...food assistance programs, energy assistance, health care, and nutrition, as well as providing states with the help they need to continue providing necessary services.  I appreciate his responce but the democrats have turned this bill into an agenda package.

This is not a stimulus package anymore, anyone that says so is lying to the American people.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 30, 2009, 06:08:45 AM
I heard this AM that there are billions of dollars in the stimulus package going to schools for education...again, what the hell does that have to do with economic stimulus. 

8 to 10% of our nation's teachers are out of work.
School budgets via federal $ have been slashed bigtime by Mr Bush.

Obama's undoing that.  The economy will be stim in the short-term when these teachers go back to work, and in the long-term when these kids stop having 1 teacher covering 32 firstgraders, and they get a little better education and begin reversing our dismal nat'l performance.

So on this one point - I think if the $ is going to hire teachers, then it's a good thing.  Obama's creating jobs here.  bush's stimulus created $18 billion in wall street bonuses last year ;) along with a whole lotta missing money.  They're all gonan spend the $.. .i'd rather it be spent on teacher salary.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 06:11:57 AM
Are you still hung over????????

Did you watch the Stosell video??????????????

Money is not the problem in our schools. 

Accountability, discilpline, and longer hours are required.

I am tired of teachers complaining about their pay.  They work 1/2 the year and work 8 hours a day and get a good pension after 20-25 years.. 

Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 30, 2009, 06:15:06 AM
I am tired of teachers complaining about their pay.  They work 1/2 the year and work 8 hours a day and get a good pension after 20-25 years.. 

7.5 hours per day plus 1 hour planning.
They work 10 months per year.
They work 30 years for a pension.
Right now, in FL, you can teach 30 years and your annual salary is a whopping $55k.

I worked as a teacher from 98 until 2003 or so.  It's one of the worst jobs around.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 06:18:48 AM
7.5 hours per day plus 1 hour planning.
They work 10 months per year.
They work 30 years for a pension.
Right now, in FL, you can teach 30 years and your annual salary is a whopping $55k.

I worked as a teacher from 98 until 2003 or so.  It's one of the worst jobs around.

NONSENSE.

Christmas break, Easter break, every federal holiday, weekends, summer break, etc etc.

Everyone knows the salaries going into teaching so they should not complain about it. 

If you tally the value of the time off, pension, etc, it is a very good salary for the actual time spent "working".

 
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 06:19:13 AM
240, you had to listen to the program.  This was the former secretary of education and another guy who was an education guru as well.  They said overall spending by the schools has gone way up since 2002.  I do not believe Bush made huge cuts, I think your wrong on that one.  I agree that starting teacher salaries suck ass, but teachers that have been there for years get plush treatments and protection against firing for lagging performance under tenured status.

We've been throwing $ at schools for 25 yrs and the quality of education has been decreasing.  $ is not the solution.  Much of that $ find its way into the teacher's union.  I think tenured teachers are a horrible thing.  They should drop that and push pay for performance, as Obama and McCain both supported.  Tenured teachers make a lot of $, have great benefits compared to the rest of us, and get 3 months off per year (total).  I believe many teachers are eligible for significant pay raises and benefits at (or before) 10 years (tenure)

On that note, why do kids & teachers get 3 months off school?  Thats stupid when you look at the system as an adult.  Give the kids 4-6 weeks off during summer and a couple single weeks off during breaks.  That long break is not productive.  Do the asian countries do that?

This article states that tenure can be offered earlier than 10 yrs

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-05-06-teachers-tenure_n.htm   
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 06:21:59 AM
Summer break is a relic of the past that needs to go.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 06:23:20 AM
Dude, when I was a kid, I would have shot you and I both...but looking at it as an adult, that 2 and a half month break is excessive, not to mention its tough for parents.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 06:25:11 AM
Dude, when I was a kid, I would have shot you and I both...but looking at it as an adult, that 2 and a half month break is excessive, not to mention its tough for parents.


It is such a farce.  These kids need to be pushed, not coddled.   
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 06:27:12 AM
I ok with not pushing longer hours.  With athletics and homework I remember not much freetime, but there is no good reason for these long ass breaks.  You get out of the rhythm of school in that time anyway, I knew that even back then.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 30, 2009, 06:30:52 AM
i am not on a machine with video yet.

'no child left behind', or 'no child left untested', and the huge emphasis upon testing in the last 8 years, has been a huge problem.  I taught in 98 when you taught the cirriculum - it was nice.  Today?  They spend an hour a day working on 'test taking skills'.

And they cheat.  Oh god, they cheat so bad.  The teachers read the grade 1-2 kids the test.  They change the answers.  They give hints.  Why?  Because they get a big bonus if they're in the top 25%.  The scores are up but the kids are down.  Hell, 1/3 of them are on adderol or ritalin.

Admin ignores the cheating, as they get a 10k check if their school performs well, along with a bunch of "A" school money.

It's a shit mess.  I'll check the video out later.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 06:36:39 AM
Watch the video in its entirety.   Its a good one.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 06:41:01 AM
I don't think no child left behind is a great idea either 240.  Though you probably know more about it than I do.  All that testing is overkill IMO.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: 240 is Back on January 30, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
they actually moved the start of school so they'd have more days in before test day.  Hell, last year, they got out of school on May 25th!   I used to go to school well into june!  Hell, first day of school was aug 11th!

That changed this year.  it was getting silly.

And, once the testing is done in march, the quality of everything just plummets.  Apeil and may are completely wasted.  They did their job, they say, the kids passed.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
Its a disgrace.  We are doing everything bass ackwards in this country. 

Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: gordiano on January 30, 2009, 08:47:12 AM
Its a disgrace.  We are doing everything bass ackwards in this country. 



Sadly......you are right.  :'(
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
Sadly......you are right.  :'(

I know what it takes to make it in this tough environment and sadly, these kids and college age people HAVE NO FREAKING CLUE what awaits them and dont even remotely have the skill set, emotional maturity, grit, or experience to cope.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: gordiano on January 30, 2009, 08:53:16 AM
I know what it takes to make it in this tough environment and sadly, these kids and college age people HAVE NO FREAKING CLUE what awaits them and dont even remotely have the skill set, emotional maturity, grit, or experience to cope.

But hey, they can text while pretending to drive. As if that's not enough, they know who won Dancing with the Stars...... :-\
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2009, 08:57:37 AM
But hey, they can text while pretending to drive. As if that's not enough, they know who won Dancing with the Stars...... :-\

I'm serious.  These kids are like drones and robots and think the world owes them a job. 

Most of them cant even utter a coherent sentence.

When I was out of work, I literally banged on every door of every business and asked for work.  I called, called, and called, and took whatever I could find.

These slobs today would rather collect welfare and complain about "the man".

Sadly, many are not even qualified for even the most entry level job.

   

 
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: gordiano on January 30, 2009, 09:01:31 AM
I'm serious.  These kids are like drones and robots and think the world owes them a job. 

Most of them cant even utter a coherent sentence.

When I was out of work, I literally banged on every door of every business and asked for work.  I called, called, and called, and took whatever I could find.

These slobs today would rather collect welfare and complain about "the man".

Sadly, many are not even qualified for even the most entry level job.

   

 

I was serious too. I hear what you're saying.....there is no wok ethic with these kids these days. They just think they are entitled to things.....have no clue about working for them and earning them.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: CQ on January 30, 2009, 11:47:18 AM
No offense, but I think you guys are doomed with the welfare. Once you create a welfare class - there really is no going back. If it suddenly cut - think it will be hellfire. Crime will spiral, kids will literally starve to death, homeless people everywhere etc. Really, once it is done it's done.

Striking to me, as no such thing exists here, work or starve, quite simple, so we all grow up knowing that. My stepkid is in the USA now in college, and she was all fascinated to meet people who get money for nothing. Gave her ideas to my dismay, introduced her to the concept. But then again, I pointed out to her that others who work then get their money taken from them to pay these people. She was like not impressed then.

I think the worst aspect isn't really those getting welfare per se, as actually that isn't a large part of the US budget if you look, its minimal. It's the entire issue - the harder you work, make more money - you get more taken away - and the more of a loser you are - the more money you get.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 11:50:54 AM
Agreed CQ.  Sounds wonderful where you are.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: CQ on January 30, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Agreed CQ.  Sounds wonderful where you are.

It's not perfect - but the welfare thing I do think is better here, really promotes a better work ethic. We of course do help severly disabled folks etc - but not able bodied people.

That said, the present government is throwing around talking points about welfare [ :-X] and dear god I hope they get voted out before that occurs.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on January 30, 2009, 12:31:52 PM
I am all for federal help for people with special needs, the disabled and the elderly.  We must support our citizens in need.  Otherwise, you should work.  Americans have become very entitled and it seems to be worsening...there are certainly jobs that some feel are beneath them.  When my great grandparents came here right after WWI they worked in the factories and did whatever they could to support their families and still have their pride.  My parents did the same.  Many have lost that spirit and pride.

Increasing the welfare state is a very bad idea.  Once it starts, it grows like fire and along with it comes the sense of entitlement and decline in the ethics that makes a strong and stable person.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: CQ on January 30, 2009, 03:03:56 PM
I am all for federal help for people with special needs, the disabled and the elderly.  We must support our citizens in need.  Otherwise, you should work.  Americans have become very entitled and it seems to be worsening...there are certainly jobs that some feel are beneath them.  When my great grandparents worked came here right after WWI they worked in the factories and did whatever they could to support their families and still have their pride.  My grandparents did the same.  Many have lost that spirit and pride.

Increasing the welfare state is a very bad idea.  Once it starts, it grows like fire and along with it comes the sense of entitlement and decline in the ethics that makes a strong and stable person.

Agree 100%

It isn't really so much the finances, its the aspect it creates in people. The UK is even worse with it, I lived there for a few years and it's pretty bad in many ways. There, as well as the US, people just think the government should give, so strange for me.

I think how we operate our social giving is fairly optimal, although not feasible for a larger nation.

You need to be like wheelchair bound or something to get welfare, and they check deep, since we only have 700 people on it in the whole country its low enough to keep on eye for cheaters.

We still have losers of course, but at least the rest of us don't have to support them and get to keep our full incomes for ourselves - so the harder you strive you are rewarded, if you sit around on your ass you get $0. 
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: gordiano on January 31, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
I am all for federal help for people with special needs, the disabled and the elderly.  We must support our citizens in need.  Otherwise, you should work.  Americans have become very entitled and it seems to be worsening...there are certainly jobs that some feel are beneath them.  When my great grandparents worked came here right after WWI they worked in the factories and did whatever they could to support their families and still have their pride.  My grandparents did the same.  Many have lost that spirit and pride.

Increasing the welfare state is a very bad idea.  Once it starts, it grows like fire and along with it comes the sense of entitlement and decline in the ethics that makes a strong and stable person.

Well said.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: muscleforlife on January 31, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Well said.

It all comes down to the moral compass of people.
If you use foodstamps for items that they are for, all is good.
You can always find people who take advantage and vendors who take advantage of the system.

Sandra
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: SAMSON123 on February 03, 2009, 11:30:03 AM
you want food stamps ? try this

DUMBASS...

88 Percent of the people on WELFARE an receiving FOOD STAMPS/EBT cards are WHITE FEMALES.... In your attempt to be funny/racist you exposed your own. I really hope welfare is stopped...this will make more white bitches available for prostitution...
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 03, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
Go back to your cell.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 03, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
Samson you are a racist POS.

This is an interesting link.  In the state of california (2006), 45% of all people using food stamps are hispanic, 25% white and 20% black.  Makes you wonder what real effect illegal immigration is having.

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/research/res/pdf/foodtrends/FSA6FY05_06.pdf
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 03, 2009, 11:47:26 AM
Samson, you are also full of shit.  I found no data on national food stamp usage prior to 2004 and none of that says white females make up 88% of food stamp usage. 

Here are some interesting #s:
"Race, marital status and education increase the likelihood of food stamp use in children.  By age 20, 90% of black children will have used food stamps compared with 37% of white children.  62% of children where the head of the household has not graduated from HS compared to 31% where the head is a household graduate.  91.2% in single parent households compared to 37% in married households.  Although race and education are strongly coordinated with food stamp use, gender is not.  The use of food stamps among female headed households is high but the differences between men and women are small.
http://books.google.com/books?

id=1X3ZmSgQMBkC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=food+stamp+usage+race&source=web&ots=rbTFVEzLFc&sig=pJKYjfd6WUee1SFrfnLX0e6x-zI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA91,M1
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 03, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
Here's another:

"Race and education, Hirschl says, have dramatic links to food stamp use: More than 85 percent of African Americans will use food stamps some time between the ages of 20 and 65, compared with 37 percent of white Americans; about 64 percent of adults with less than 12 years of education will use food stamps, compared with 38 percent of adults with 12 or more years of education."
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug04/Food.stamps.ssl.html

Interesting that food stamp usage (its a food card now) is much higher than I thought.  Also, even though most people use food stamps for 1-3 years, there is a high repeat rate.

Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 03, 2009, 11:57:37 AM
Go back to sleep.  Your welfare check is on the way.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: liberalismo on February 03, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
Based on internet statistics I've been looking at, In south western states Hispanics use the most food stamps. In most other states blacks do.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 03, 2009, 01:18:56 PM
Thats what I have found as well liberalismo.  One good thing is that its not common for people to use them over 3 yrs.  The high rate of gov assistance is concerning in the southwest as I feel it is an underemphasized consequence of illegal immigration that all of us are paying for.
Title: Re: I want food stamps
Post by: liberalismo on February 04, 2009, 02:28:58 PM
I don't see how illegal immigrants should be eligible.