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European Union says a provision that would mandate materials for stimulus projects be made in America could violate trade agreements.
BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) -- The European Commission signaled on Thursday it may contest a "Buy America" provision if it is included in the final version of an $825 billion package to kick-start the U.S. economy.
"If a bill is passed which prohibits the sale or purchase of European goods on American territory, that is not something we will stand idly by and ignore," Commission spokesman Peter Power told a regular news briefing.
Power said the European Union executive, which oversees trade policy for the 27-member bloc, "will be carefully studying the details of the bill before we can say that the U.S. are violating any trade agreement".
European steel confederation Eurofer called earlier for Brussels to tackle Washington over the issue at the World Trade Organization (WTO).
"Our view is that if passed this would be a clear violation of their WTO (World Trade Organization) commitments on government procurement rules," Eurofer said in a statement to Reuters.
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Interesting...to which I say, we're a sovereign nation...go scew.
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Interesting...to which I say, we're a sovereign nation...go scew.
I think what you meant to say is "Go Screw".
Guess What... World Trade and Free Trade Agreements, surpass national laws. Sovereignty means diddly.
that's why so many are against the WTO. Those treaties supercede national laws
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Yeah.....great Jag.
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I think what you meant to say is "Go Screw".
Guess What... World Trade and Free Trade Agreements, surpass national laws. Sovereignty means diddly.
that's why so many are against the WTO. Those treaties supercede national laws
Remember all those huge anti WTO protests around the world and everyone thought these people were all just crazy CT'er/ anarchists?
Remember Seattle?: Reflecting on the past for a glimpse into the future.
(http://www.gapsucks.org/gwa/history/wto/timephoto1.jpg)
(http://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/images/wto-protest.jpg)
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Nothing should superceede our ability to set economic policy.
F-ck them if they don't like a "buy American" campaign. As long as their products are still an option for consumers, we should be able to promote whatever we deem fit. This global government stuff is very concerning. Is the WTO concerned about our horrible trade deficits?
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Remember all those huge anti WTO protests around the world and everyone thought these people were all just crazy CT'er/ anarchists?
Remember Seattle?: Reflecting on the past for a glimpse into the future.
(http://www.gapsucks.org/gwa/history/wto/timephoto1.jpg)
(http://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/images/wto-protest.jpg)
Every time there is a WTO meeting, there are organized protests, and heavy handed crowd submission, occasionally leading to riots.
When WTO talks occured in Vancouver, our Prime minister Crétien at the time, ordered the RCMP to pepper spray the crowd. It was a huge scandal at the time, because protests in Canada have historically been peaceful without any hint of police brutality.
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Nothing should superceede our ability to set economic policy.
F-ck them if they don't like a "buy American" campaign. As long as their products are still an option for consumers, we should be able to promote whatever we deem fit. This global government stuff is very concerning. Is the WTO concerned about our horrible trade deficits?
The WTO is concerned with their own agreements and profits for their puppetmasters.
the "Fuck *m" policy won't work. Economies are too intertwined for one to say Screw You we're going it alone.
You may have said that in Iraq, ...but you'd be royally screwed if you tried to do that with the WTO.
You would be crushed in a heartbeat! Ain't gonna happen. Accomodations will be made, ...and there will be repercussions
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So, international repercussions for a 'buy American' campaign is acceptible? I admit, I do not know all the details here...just that I think its dangerous for other countries to control what we do to try to help our economy.
Certainly, world economies are now dependent upon each other but it cannot be so much that a nation's general economic policies are dictated to them.
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By the way...I didn't support any F 'em policy in Iraq. I was opposed to a ground military campaign from the beginning and in hindsight feel it was a big mistake going in there.
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So, international repercussions for a 'buy American' campaign is acceptible? I admit, I do not know all the details here...just that I think its dangerous for other countries to control what we do to try to help our economy.
No.... repercussions for America for a buy America campaign is acceptable. this is a global economic crisis started by America. If America thinks she can all of a sudden get all protectionist while leaving everyone else hanging in the wind, ...she'll have a nasty surprise heading her way.
Certainly, world economies are now dependent upon each other but it cannot be so much that a nation's general economic policies are dictated to them.
That is why the WTO and Free Trade agreements have been fought so vociferously at the grass roots level by those who have been paying attention all along. Ya know... the tin foil hat crazy CT types. They saw the writing on the wall while everyone else was watching American Idol, Dancing with the stars and wondering what Britney Spears or Paris Hilton was going to do next.
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That is why the WTO and Free Trade agreements have been fought so vociferously at the grass roots level by those who have been paying attention all along. Ya know... the tin foil hat crazy CT types. They saw the writing on the wall while everyone else was watching American Idol, Dancing with the stars and wondering what Britney Spears or Paris Hilton was going to do next.
You're more American than many Americans :P
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No.... repercussions for America for a buy America campaign is acceptable. this is a global economic crisis started by America. If America thinks she can all of a sudden get all protectionist while leaving everyone else hanging in the wind, ...she'll have a nasty surprise heading her way.
For the first time in history I find myself agreeing with a black lesbian pill pusher.
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Can't completely argue there.
Jag, you into girls only? Not that its important...but I didn't know that.
Even though we may disagree on certain issues I'm glad your here and enjoy your debate. ;D If you and CQ left it would be a sausage fest...thats no fun. And although CQ has been elusive, I think our getbig politics girls are pretty hot.
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Can't completely argue there.
Jag, you into girls only? Not that its important...but I didn't know that.
Even though we may disagree on certain issues I'm glad your here and enjoy your debate. ;D If you and CQ left it would be a sausage fest...thats no fun. And although CQ has been elusive, I think our getbig politics girls are pretty hot.
Yes it would.
You cretin males should be grateful Jag and I grace you with our presence ;D
As far as "Buy American", all rhetoric. Seriously, no one start lying now and telling me they check all products they buy to see wher they were made and they refuse to buy a good unless it's American made.
99% of people - in any nation - buy what they prefer and/or is most cost effective. The "buy American" is simple rhetoric, I've seen stacks of Americans with flag bumper stickers all smashing into Walmart to buy Chinese made goods. People talk that talk, few do it.
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"You cretin males should be grateful Jag and I grace you with our presence"
....your loosing points now! ;D
You ever going to show your pic CQ? ...chicken.....
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Can't completely argue there.
Jag, you into girls only? Not that its important...but I didn't know that.
Even though we may disagree on certain issues I'm glad your here and enjoy your debate. ;D If you and CQ left it would be a sausage fest...thats no fun. And although CQ has been elusive, I think our getbig politics girls are pretty hot.
I'm NOT into girls at all.
I'm 100% hetero. Nordic and a few others like to indulge in the fantasy that I'm a lesbian though.
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"You cretin males should be grateful Jag and I grace you with our presence"
....your loosing points now! ;D
You ever going to show your pic CQ? ...chicken.....
I thought she was pretty accurate. ;D
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You're more American than many Americans :P
That's just mean. :'(
jk ;)
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I'm NOT into girls at all.
I'm 100% hetero. Nordic and a few others like to indulge in the fantasy that I'm a lesbian though.
No man associates the word "Jag" with "Fantasy".
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No man associates the word "Jag" with "Fantasy".
M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!
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No man associates the word "Jag" with "Fantasy".
Oh, I don't know about that. Think about the makeup sex after a heated political argument.... ;D
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So, international repercussions for a 'buy American' campaign is acceptible? I admit, I do not know all the details here...just that I think its dangerous for other countries to control what we do to try to help our economy.
Certainly, world economies are now dependent upon each other but it cannot be so much that a nation's general economic policies are dictated to them.
Now it seems you have come to some of the understanding of what the Middle Eastern countries have been saying for years about america's foreign policies. These policies DICTATE what these nations can do in their own land with their own supplies and resources. Now america sits in the same place it has held other nation in for so long. DOSEN'T FEEL GOOD DOES IT???
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Yes it would.
You cretin males should be grateful Jag and I grace you with our presence ;D
As far as "Buy American", all rhetoric. Seriously, no one start lying now and telling me they check all products they buy to see wher they were made and they refuse to buy a good unless it's American made.
99% of people - in any nation - buy what they prefer and/or is most cost effective. The "buy American" is simple rhetoric, I've seen stacks of Americans with flag bumper stickers all smashing into Walmart to buy Chinese made goods. People talk that talk, few do it.
Hahah spot on!
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Samson, on that point I agree. The only policy that we should be dictating to other countries is a no tolerance to terrorism. I agree the U.S. has overstepped some bounds historically. Democracy is a government of the people and while I agree we should encourage other nations to persue a free government like Democracy, we should never engange militarily.
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Samson, on that point I agree. The only policy that we should be dictating to other countries is a no tolerance to terrorism. I agree the U.S. has overstepped some bounds historically. Democracy is a government of the people and while I agree we should encourage other nations to persue a free government like Democracy, we should never engange militarily.
Democracy is rule by the majority. We are not a democracy and never have been. People that throw the term around loosely are either ignorant of this fact or really don't care. But either way it makes someone look ignorant. We are a Constitutional Republic.
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Democracy is rule by the majority. We are not a democracy and never have been. People that throw the term around loosely are either ignorant of this fact or really don't care. But either way it makes someone look ignorant. We are a Constitutional Republic.
right on target. a little socialism is creeping in also.
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right on target. a little socialism is creeping in also.
Socialism has always been part of American politics. We know it as something else though... because of the stigma attached to the term by Reagan and his limp-lip crowd (as well as a certain McCarthy).
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Samson, on that point I agree. The only policy that we should be dictating to other countries is a no tolerance to terrorism. I agree the U.S. has overstepped some bounds historically. Democracy is a government of the people and while I agree we should encourage other nations to persue a free government like Democracy, we should never engange militarily.
There is only one problem in the statement you made...THE GREATEST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN AMERICA...When I mentioned the FOREIGN POLICIES of america that was just one example of terrorism america has exacted on Middle Eastern nations. The Persian Gulf war built on the LIE of Saddam attacking Kuwait and the TERRORIST ACT of war america exacted on Iraq (1.5 MILLION IRAQI killed so far and the country destroyed). This was followed by many attacks on Iraq under the name of Desert Fox, Desert Storm, Desert This and Desert That...now we sit at Desert Iraqi Freedom. From this has been the LIES about WMD, Nuclear Weapons, Al Qaeda, Taliban, all of these LIES associated with Iraq that WERE NOT TRUE. All of this done to steal the natural resource: OIL from Iraq and set up military bases all over Iraq, which has now been done. American foreign policy essentially is the permission to steal whatever it wants from other nations under military force under the cloak of LIES about national security, terrorism, Democracy or some other nonsense. america is now involved with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia(you don't really think those supposed PIRATES are Somali do you?), Georgia (Russia), threats against Haiti, Venezuela, Columbia, Philippines, Zimbabwe, Syria, Jordan, Cuba and the list goes on and on...and all of these nations have NATURAL RESOURCES AMERICA WANTS. america is a SICK, VILE AND VIOLENT nation...it is just sad to know that the people of the nation can't see it.
Now america sits beholden to WTO agreements and policies which will dictate what goes on in america and it economy as its own greed has been it demise. As we can see from some of the posters to this thread many are totally EMPTY HEADED about what is really going on in the world, about americas foreign policies and especially as Jaguarenterprises brought up THE WTO and the WTOs role in the WORLD ECONOMY. And as she said, when the groups gathered to make people aware of the sinister agenda of the WTO most people laughed them off, called them crazy, even said the police should just round them up and shoot and or jail them all. Now with america in the toilet everyone can now see the importance of those demonstrations... UNFORTUNATELY IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGING THE WTO POLICIES. America will now be SUBJECT to the WILL of other nations...especially European nations by way of the WTO and already people are beginning to fear what repercussion will come to america because of it. Again like Jaguarenterprises said...while the typical american was worried about Brittany Spears, Madonna, IPods and other nonsense (just like today is the SUPERBOWL) a whole other world was unfolding before them, which, if they were conscious to, they may have been able to stop...but now thanks to laziness and ignorance americans will suffer tremendously at the hands of the WTO in the same way it has made other nations suffer at the hands of its Foreign Policies and LIES.
Everyone get your SOUP CAN ready the ride will be rough to say the least....
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You and Jag should SO hook up!
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No man associates the word "Jag" with "Fantasy".
Who said Nordic was a man? ;)
You and Jag should SO hook up!
If you have nothing positive or constructive to add to the discussion, ...why don't you simply STFU?!
Please and Thank You. :)
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Who said Nordic was a man? ;)
If you have nothing positive or constructive to add to the discussion, ...why don't you simply STFU?!
Please and Thank You. :)
You're the pathological liar. Logic therefore has me believe you're a black, lesbian, Canadian moslem.
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There is only one problem in the statement you made...THE GREATEST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN AMERICA...When I mentioned the FOREIGN POLICIES of america that was just one example of terrorism america has exacted on Middle Eastern nations. The Persian Gulf war built on the LIE of Saddam attacking Kuwait and the TERRORIST ACT of war america exacted on Iraq (1.5 MILLION IRAQI killed so far and the country destroyed). This was followed by many attacks on Iraq under the name of Desert Fox, Desert Storm, Desert This and Desert That...now we sit at Desert Iraqi Freedom. From this has been the LIES about WMD, Nuclear Weapons, Al Qaeda, Taliban, all of these LIES associated with Iraq that WERE NOT TRUE. All of this done to steal the natural resource: OIL from Iraq and set up military bases all over Iraq, which has now been done. American foreign policy essentially is the permission to steal whatever it wants from other nations under military force under the cloak of LIES about national security, terrorism, Democracy or some other nonsense. america is now involved with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia(you don't really think those supposed PIRATES are Somali do you?), Georgia (Russia), threats against Haiti, Venezuela, Columbia, Philippines, Zimbabwe, Syria, Jordan, Cuba and the list goes on and on...and all of these nations have NATURAL RESOURCES AMERICA WANTS. america is a SICK, VILE AND VIOLENT nation...it is just sad to know that the people of the nation can't see it.
Now america sits beholden to WTO agreements and policies which will dictate what goes on in america and it economy as its own greed has been it demise. As we can see from some of the posters to this thread many are totally EMPTY HEADED about what is really going on in the world, about americas foreign policies and especially as Jaguarenterprises brought up THE WTO and the WTOs role in the WORLD ECONOMY. And as she said, when the groups gathered to make people aware of the sinister agenda of the WTO most people laughed them off, called them crazy, even said the police should just round them up and shoot and or jail them all. Now with america in the toilet everyone can now see the importance of those demonstrations... UNFORTUNATELY IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGING THE WTO POLICIES. America will now be SUBJECT to the WILL of other nations...especially European nations by way of the WTO and already people are beginning to fear what repercussion will come to america because of it. Again like Jaguarenterprises said...while the typical american was worried about Brittany Spears, Madonna, IPods and other nonsense (just like today is the SUPERBOWL) a whole other world was unfolding before them, which, if they were conscious to, they may have been able to stop...but now thanks to laziness and ignorance americans will suffer tremendously at the hands of the WTO in the same way it has made other nations suffer at the hands of its Foreign Policies and LIES.
Everyone get your SOUP CAN ready the ride will be rough to say the least....
It HASN"T always been. This country is 250+ year sold. Remember that. If you want to argue the last 50 yeasr I'd agree.
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It HASN"T always been. This country is 250+ year sold. Remember that. If you want to argue the last 50 yeasr I'd agree.
MCANUS you are the last person to comment on anything with your limited intelligence...America has been a VILE REPROBATE nation from the time of the coming of the whites (BTW america is far older than 250 years...you are counting from the time of the coming of whites and discounting the Native People.) The same agenda being exacted on other nation by america was exacted on the Native People of america: stealing resources, imposing violent murderous laws and policies, killing in mass (TERRORISM), stealing and making it possible to steal land, natural resources and wealth. As a matter of fact what happened in america during the time of the Native americans is exactly what is happening to Middle Easterners, Africans, Southeast Asians, Indonesians and Malaysians and Central and South Americans at the hands of america...
SO YES...IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!!!!...AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED...
The difference now is it s america turn to suffer at the hands of other nations and believe me they will show far less mercy than america did to them...
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Who said Nordic was a man? ;)
If you have nothing positive or constructive to add to the discussion, ...why don't you simply STFU?!
Please and Thank You. :)
oooh she's so emotional.
:D ;D
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You're the pathological liar. Logic therefore has me believe you're a black, lesbian, Canadian moslem.
;D
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Interesting...to which I say, we're a sovereign nation...go scew.
It's critical to avoid a trade war between EU and USA right now.
We don't need that on top of this current mess.
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Today i will buy more Bullets and top ramen.
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It's critical to avoid a trade war between EU and USA right now.
We don't need that on top of this current mess.
You wouldn't expect anyone of this site to actually understand international trade or realise the real consequences of a trade war. They probably think Smoot and Hawley is a brand of tampons.
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You wouldn't expect anyone of this site to actually understand international trade or realise the real consequences of a trade war. They probably think Smoot and Hawley is a brand of tampons.
Didnt they cause Toxic shock syndrome? Thanks for the warning.