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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MarvinEderFan on January 29, 2009, 11:45:23 AM
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Who is the better bodybuilder?
Serious discussion please.
My thoughts: I'm with Levrone here. Heath does have a better back, but does not beat Levrone in the pre-injury leg department. I also think Heath's arms dominate TOO MUCH, and even Levrone with his huge arms wasn't dominated by them. I also think Heath's strange clavicles/pecs will never allow him to hit a better front pose than Levrone.
In terms of size they're about the same or what? Wasn't Levrone actually heavier around 98-99?
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The question is what did Kevin look like at the same age? Heath hasn't peaked yet. When's he done he just might go down as one of the greatest.
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Ronnie. /end thread.
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Phil has better conditioning, Calves and Forearms.
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Phil and Kev are in 2 diff classes . Kevin was much better.
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The question is what did Kevin look like at the same age? Heath hasn't peaked yet. When's he done he just might go down as one of the greatest.
That's speculation/theoretical though. Let's go with what we can see.
And anyways, Levrone was a FREAK even when young.
22-23 years old
25 years old - jump into the 2 minute mark. Heath is IMO not gonna touch that.
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why do people always compare heath to Mr. Levrone?
there is no comparison, only a LevrOWNING
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Ummm .... you kidding ... right ? Heath ( although a great bodybuilder ) can't even hold Levrone's jockstrap ! Jesus cripe, your a bored guy ... must be to post this bullshit ! :D
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Geezus. Levrone by a country motha fuckin mile. Phil will NEVER be as good as Kevin.
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Want a piece of this Phil?
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By the way, this is not a SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
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Want a piece of this Phil?
Looks like a motha fucking dinosaur in that last pic ! Fuck ! Didn't know dinosaurs wore clothes !
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Looks like a motha fucking dinosaur in that last pic ! Fuck ! Didn't know dinosaurs wore clothes !
Who can match this?
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Who can match this?
Quite a few bodybuilders ... but certainly NOT Heath ... what the fuck are you smoking, Marvin ?
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Got back, Phil?
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Quite a few bodybuilders ... but certainly NOT Heath ... what the fuck are you smoking, Marvin ?
"Quite a few"? Who, then?
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"Quite a few"? Who, then?
Oh, fuck ... I don't know ... how about Arnold, Sergio, Paul Dillet, Chris Cormier, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler ... and that's just off the top of my fucking head ! I'd be here all day ... all these guys ( and plenty more ) present / have presented amazing size with amazing condition. Shit, what the fuck are you smoking ?
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since phil will probably have a couple of O titles starting in 09 or 10...he will be considered better than kev...as far as the all-time stuff goes.
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Oh, fuck ... I don't know ... how about Arnold, Sergio, Paul Dillet, Chris Cormier, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler ... and that's just off the top of my fucking head ! I'd be here all day ... all these guys ( and plenty more ) present / have presented amazing size with amazing condition. Shit, what the fuck are you smoking ?
I was talking about a particular shot...and here you go listing names. The initial comparison was between Phil Heath and Kevin Levrone.
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since phil will probably have a couple of O titles starting in 09 or 10...he will be considered better than kev...as far as the all-time stuff goes.
Well, as we all know, judges and placings do not always determine who is best in such a subjective sport. Kevin, Flex, Shawn, and Chris would all blow Heath off the stage.
Phil is the beneficiary of weaker competition.
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I was talking about a particular shot...and here you go listing names. The initial comparison was between Phil Heath and Kevin Levrone.
Who gives a fuck about Phil vs. Levrone ? There is NO comparion ... I thought we already established that ?! As far as that particular shot ( which is a great shot, btw ) there are tons of pics that can beat that ... sorry. :-\
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Who gives a fuck about Phil vs. Levrone ? There is NO comparion ... I thought we already established that ?! As far as that particular shot ( which is a great shot, btw ) there are tons of pics that can beat that ... sorry. :-\
Then post a few similar pics of bodybuilders like the one I posted of Kevin!
You won't find anyone who looks as ridiculous as he does doing tricep extensions. Dude is freaky.
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Then post a few similar pics of bodybuilders like the one I posted of Kevin!
You won't find anyone who looks as ridiculous as he does doing tricep extensions. Dude is freaky.
I don't have the time nor do I have the patience to post pics ( and, no, I'm not backing out ... and no, it's not that I can't find any photos ) ... take the names that I posted earlier and type them into a Yahoo search engine ... and then, presto ... shitloads of pics ... although probably not many doing tricep extensions ( you got me ! ).
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I don't have the time nor do I have the patience to post pics ( and, no, I'm not backing out ... and no, it's not that I can't find any photos ) ... take the names that I posted earlier and type into a Yahoo search engine ... and then, presto !
The burden of proof falls on you, my friend.
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Would you like me to wipe your ass too, friend ? :D
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Would you like me to wipe your ass too, friend ? :D
Is that possible?
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Is that possible?
;D :D
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Sorry relentless, but he looks narrow next to Huge Nasser
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Sorry relentless, but he looks narrow next to Huge Nasser
Yeah, your right, bigbobs ! Levrone's waist DOES look narrower compared to that Lego block on his left ! Great eye !
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kevin looks amazing in that first video-hadnt seen that one...but
23 years old is young ?
fuck, you dudes are old.... ahahaha
bigbobs- your collection of nasser photography is quite impressive
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Yeah, your right, bigbobs ! Levrone's waist, lats, shoulders, and overall V-taper DOES look narrower compared to that Lego block on his left ! Great eye !
Fixed! :D
Also, technically a starving Ethiopian will have a narrower waist in that pose than any pro bodybuilder, but his v-taper will be less pronounced since his lats and overall upper-body width will be much less; similar to what you see there between Levrone and Huge Nasser ;)
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Fixed! :D
Also, technically a starving Ethiopian will have a narrower waist in that pose than any pro bodybuilder, but his v-taper will be less pronounced since his lats and overall upper-body width will be much less; similar to what you see there between Levrone and Huge Nasser ;)
It's hopeless with you ... ::)
You've got Nasser's shit stained underwear so far up your sniffer it's fucking rediculous !
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It's hopeless with you ... ::)
You've got Nasser's shit stained underwear so far up your sniffer it's fucking rediculous !
::)
How are things with your "buddy" you speak so highly and frequently of? ;)
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How are things with your "buddy" you speak so highly and frequently of? ;)
I spoke about my " buddy " in 1 thread ... you've spoke about your " buddy " is many threads ! I don't have pictures and used clothing from my " buddy " ... but you do from your " buddy ". Hmmmmm.
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For fucks sake I agree 100% that levrone LEVROWNS heath, but I know many people disagree. Of course, people always cheer for the new next big names.
Won't cloud my judgment
Levrone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heath
I had to be diplomatic in my first post to avoid getting hit by a heath fan train.
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Hey, you got your answer though right, Marvin ? :D
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I spoke about my " buddy " in 1 thread ... you've spoke about your " buddy " is many threads ! I don't have pictures and used clothing from my " buddy " ... but you do from your " buddy ". Hmmmmm.
Brutal jealousy that your application to join Team Nasser has been repeatedly denied ;D
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Brutal jealousy that your application to join Team Nasser has been repeatedly denied ;D
That's the best response you can come up with, bigbobs ? Come on ! Your better than that !
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Sorry relentless, but he looks narrow next to Huge Nasser
I know you love your friend Nasser, but Kevin was much more successful and CONSISTENT than Nasser. Nasser had his moments, but he also looked like a huge greasy mess at the end of his career. Kevin was excellent throughout his entire career and reached heights Nasser was not capable of.
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bigbobs, why did Nasser train so light in his videos? It appeared he was always struggling to move heavier weights around.
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BOOM!
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Levrone every second, every minute, every hour of every day all year, every time. Heath...for now is wildly over-rated.
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Levrone every second, every minute, every hour of every day all year, every time. Heath...for now is wildly over-rated.
Heath actually benefits from having such narrow clavicles...as his arms and shoulders look bigger. Just shows how pro bbing has gone downhill as far as the top athletes' genetics.
Is this the rear lat spread of a future Mr Olympia? I hope not.
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Wow..look at the width on this guy!
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Is this really a Olympia-winning front double bicep?
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What happened to the days of this?
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I know you love your friend Nasser, but Kevin was much more successful and CONSISTENT than Nasser. Nasser had his moments, but he also looked like a huge greasy mess at the end of his career. Kevin was excellent throughout his entire career and reached heights Nasser was not capable of.
You're right that Kevin's career was more consistent, but at their best Nasser placed higher. Nasser should have placed ahead of Kevin in 95 but was the newcomer to the top ranks at the time and therefore had a disadvantage. Anyhow, from the 95 Olympia all the way to the 99 Arnold Classic Kevin never even beat Nasser once during those prime years of Nasser's. After Yates announced his retirement it was Flex, then Nasser who had the highest odds of winning - others like Kevin and Shawn were given lesser odds (by the Flex magazine experts shortly before the 98 O).
BOOM!!
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bigbobs, why did Nasser train so light in his videos? It appeared he was always struggling to move heavier weights around.
Because a) he's not a powerlifter so doesn't try to train heavier than necessary to maintain his size, and b) most of his training videos are pre-contest where he's weaker. If you watch Nasser on the Way Part III he lifts some pretty heavy weights there.
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Kevin's record from 1995 to 1999:
• 1995 Grand Prix England, 2nd
• 1995 Grand Prix Germany, 1st
• 1995 Grand Prix Russia, 1st
• 1995 Grand Prix Spain, 1st
• 1995 Mr. Olympia, 2nd
• 1996 Arnold Classic, 1st
• 1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 2nd
• 1996 Grand Prix England, 2th
• 1996 Grand Prix Germany, 3rd
• 1996 Grand Prix Russia, 2th
• 1996 Grand Prix Spain, 2th
• 1996 Grand Prix Switzerland, 3rd
• 1996 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
• 1996 San Jose Pro Invitational, 1st
• 1997 Arnold Classic,
• 1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 1st
• 1997 Grand Prix England, 1st
• 1997 Grand Prix Finland, 1st
• 1997 Grand Prix Germany, 1st
• 1997 Grand Prix Hungary, 1st
• 1997 Grand Prix Russia, 2nd
• 1997 Grand Prix Spain, 1st
• 1997 Mr. Olympia, 4th
• 1998 Grand Prix Finland, 2nd
• 1998 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
• 1998 Night of Champions, 2nd
• 1998 Mr. Olympia, 4th
• 1998 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st
• 1998 Toronto Pro Invitational, 2nd
• 1999 Arnold Classic, 2nd
• 1999 Grand Prix England, 3rd
• 1999 Mr. Olympia, 4th
• 1999 World Pro Championships, 3rd
Nasser's Record during the same time period:
• 1995 Grand Prix England, 4th
• 1995 Grand Prix France, 3rd
• 1995 Grand Prix Germany, 3rd
• 1995 Grand Prix Russia, 3rd
• 1995 Grand Prix Spain, 3rd
• 1995 Grand Prix Ukraine, 2nd
• 1995 Houston Pro Invitational, 1st
• 1995 Night of Champions, 1st
• 1995 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
• 1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 1st
• 1996 Grand Prix England, 2nd
• 1996 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
• 1996 Grand Prix Russia, Winner
• 1996 Grand Prix Spain, 3rd
• 1996 Grand Prix Switzerland, 1st
• 1996 Mr. Olympia, Disqualified (failed the diuretics drug test, he was in 3rd place that evening)
• 1997 Arnold Classic, 2nd
• 1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic, 3rd
• 1997 Grand Prix England, 3rd
• 1997 Grand Prix Finland, 4th
• 1997 Grand Prix Germany, 2nd
• 1997 Grand Prix Hungary, 2nd
• 1997 Grand Prix Russia, 3rd
• 1997 Grand Prix Spain, 2nd
• 1997 Mr. Olympia, 2nd
• 1997 San Jose Pro Invitational, 2nd
• 1998 Arnold Classic, 2nd
• 1998 Grand Prix Finland, 3rd
• 1998 Grand Prix Germany, 3rd
• 1998 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
• 1999 Arnold Classic, 1st
• 1999 Grand Prix England, 6th
• 1999 Mr. Olympia, 6th
• 1999 World Pro Championships, 6th
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What would you call the above, bigbobs? Looks like you are DEAD WRONG on Nasser owning Kevin during that time period.
Owned? OWNED.
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Because a) he's not a powerlifter so doesn't try to train heavier than necessary to maintain his size, and b) most of his training videos are pre-contest where he's weaker. If you watch Nasser on the Way Part III he lifts some pretty heavy weights there.
Nasser was very weak for his size. Sorry, but it's true. Other guys are not as weak pre-contest.
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What would you call the above, bigbobs? Looks like you are DEAD WRONG on Nasser owning Kevin during that time period.
Owned? OWNED.
haha, I was focusing on the major shows - you're right; Levrone did place well in the 97 Grand Prix.
My point is still correct that at their respective bests Nasser repeatedly beat Levrone, and that's why he had higher odds than Levrone at winning the 98 Olympia when Yates announced his retirement.
By "major shows" during Nasser's prime where he beat Levrone I'm talking about the following:
1996 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1997 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1998 Mr. Olympia
1999 Arnold Classic
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Nasser was very weak for his size. Sorry, but it's true. Other guys are not as weak pre-contest.
Irrelevent for this sport. Nobody asks them how much they lift when they are onstage.
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haha, I was focusing on the major shows - you're right; Levrone did place well in the 97 Grand Prix.
My point is still correct that at their respective bests Nasser repeatedly beat Levrone, and that's why he had higher odds than Levrone at winning the 98 Olympia when Yates announced his retirement.
By "major shows" during Nasser's prime where he beat Levrone I'm talking about the following:
1996 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1997 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1998 Mr. Olympia
1999 Arnold Classic
Which is a relatively short period of time. Nasser faded quickly after the 1999 Arnold and was never the same after that show.
Did he ever tell you what he thinks happened to where he fell down the rankings again so quickly?
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You're right that Kevin's career was more consistent, but at their best Nasser placed higher. Nasser should have placed ahead of Kevin in 95 but was the newcomer to the top ranks at the time and therefore had a disadvantage. Anyhow, from the 95 Olympia all the way to the 99 Arnold Classic Kevin never even beat Nasser once during those prime years of Nasser's. After Yates announced his retirement it was Flex, then Nasser who had the highest odds of winning - others like Kevin and Shawn were given lesser odds (by the Flex magazine experts shortly before the 98 O).
BOOM!!
agree wth u bob.. but kevin did beat nasser in these years (in some GP contests) but never in the AC or the olympia..
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haha, I was focusing on the major shows - you're right; Levrone did place well in the 97 Grand Prix.
My point is still correct that at their respective bests Nasser repeatedly beat Levrone, and that's why he had higher odds than Levrone at winning the 98 Olympia when Yates announced his retirement.
By "major shows" during Nasser's prime where he beat Levrone I'm talking about the following:
1996 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1997 Mr. Olympia
1997 Arnold Classic
1998 Mr. Olympia
1999 Arnold Classic
exactly Bobs, the greats always show up for the big events and that just proves that Nasser is one of the all time greats and AT LEAST 3 times uncrowned ripped off Mr. Olympia.
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Irrelevent for this sport. Nobody asks them how much they lift when they are onstage.
True, but it still makes for interesting conversation and banter on message boards!
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I'm still confused as to how bodybuilding's a sport ?
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True, but it still makes for interesting conversation and banter on message boards!
the huge paul dillet too ws not training heavy..
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This is HEATH VS LEVRONE
NOT NASSER
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Which is a relatively short period of time. Nasser faded quickly after the 1999 Arnold and was never the same after that show.
Did he ever tell you what he thinks happened to where he fell down the rankings again so quickly?
That's three and a half years, wouldn't say that's a "short" time. Besides, I acknowledged he was not as "consistent," but like I said at their respective bests Nasser > Levrone.
Similarly, when discussing Dorian vs. Ronnie nobody compares Dorian of 97 or Ronnie of 2006 or after; you discuss their respective prime.
His placings began to fall after his divorce with his wife, who he no longer had to support him in getting ready for shows, preparing meals, etc. and in general his motivation declined and he started feeling fed with the politics.
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This is HEATH VS LEVRONE
NOT NASSER
Relentless made it open when he challenged to find someone who can beat Levrone.
I'm still confused as to how bodybuilding's a sport ?
Ask your "buddy" ;D
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Relentless made it open when he challenged to find someone who can beat Levrone.
Ask your "buddy" ;D
* Yawn * You can't beat me, my friend ... you just can't.
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Phil and Kev are in 2 diff classes . Kevin was much better.
true that, there is no discussion. Bodybuilding these days is no where near the level it was just 10 years ago, its pretty sad
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Who is the better bodybuilder?
Serious discussion please.
My thoughts: I'm with Levrone here. Heath does have a better back, but does not beat Levrone in the pre-injury leg department. I also think Heath's arms dominate TOO MUCH, and even Levrone with his huge arms wasn't dominated by them. I also think Heath's strange clavicles/pecs will never allow him to hit a better front pose than Levrone.
In terms of size they're about the same or what? Wasn't Levrone actually heavier around 98-99?
There is no serious discussion to be had here. Levrone was a bigger, better BBer Hhan heath wil ever be.
Nothing against Heath, the guy has some of the freakiest arms you will ever see. But kevin had some pretty fucking good guns himself and beats Heath everywhere else
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That's three and a half years, wouldn't say that's a "short" time. Besides, I acknowledged he was not as "consistent," but like I said at their respective bests Nasser > Levrone.
Similarly, when discussing Dorian vs. Ronnie nobody compares Dorian of 97 or Ronnie of 2006 or after; you discuss their respective prime.
His placings began to fall after his divorce with his wife, who he no longer had to support him in getting ready for shows, preparing meals, etc. and in general his motivation declined and he started feeling fed with the politics.
I won't get into a debate as to whether or not three and a half years is a short amount of time. Nor will I shove down your throat that WINS count for something...not just seconds and thirds. Even if second and thirds were of great importance, Kevin registered FOUR runner-up placements at the Olympia...and 10 years apart from his first to last!
Kevin finished second in 1992, 1995, 2000, 2002. Kevin also did not humiliate himself at the end of his career as Nasser did. Kevin finished in 3rd place at the 2003 GNC with a torn tricep, then left bodybuilding with his head held up high.
Kevin also won the Arnold Classic twice to Nasser's one time. Kevin held the IFBB record for pro wins for a time with 22.
As great as Nasser was (and I will admit he was an incredible bodybuilder and should have won the Olympia in 1997), he does not have a body of work like Kevin. If we are comparing their peak, it's impossible to say which is better...although I think most people will prefer Kevin's physique. Both men were great and would dominate today's IFBB bodybuilders. The competition today is WEAK compared to the 90s and early 2000s.
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true that, there is no discussion. Bodybuilding these days is no where near the level it was just 10 years ago, its pretty sad
I'm with you 100%. Remember these genetic freaks?
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Where's the quality like this today??
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Kevin in my opinion is one of the greatest bodybuilders ever. He competed in an era where there were so many great bodybuilders with the combination of mass and conditioning, yet he was still winning shows or placing in the top 3 consistently. Remember, he's got the second most wins of any pro behind only Ronnie Coleman.
Heath on the other hand is good but amongst a mediocre group of competition. He is structurally flawed and can't hold Kevin's gym bag.
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Kevin in my opinion is one of the greatest bodybuilders ever. He competed in an era where there were so many great bodybuilders with the combination of mass and conditioning, yet he was still winning shows or placing in the top 3 consistently. Remember, he's got the second most wins of any pro behind only Ronnie Coleman.
Heath on the other hand is good but amongst a mediocre group of competition. He is structurally flawed and can't hold Kevin's gym bag.
This is one of the most accurate posts I've read in a long time on getbig. Well done, CJ.
Heath can't hold Kevin's jock strap.
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This serious discussion isn't serious until we count how many "100 pound dumbell curls in yer face" have been experienced by each contestant.
Clearly, with this in consideration, Levrone wins by a country mile.
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One thing both have in common is they turned pro real quick. And made a big splash in the pro's.
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At this point in time, it is not even worthy of comparison.
LEVRONE all the way. Maybe Phil will surpass him, but until it happens,
it's all "Horseshit".
Levrone Rules.
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I won't get into a debate as to whether or not three and a half years is a short amount of time. Nor will I shove down your throat that WINS count for something...not just seconds and thirds. Even if second and thirds were of great importance, Kevin registered FOUR runner-up placements at the Olympia...and 10 years apart from his first to last!
Kevin finished second in 1992, 1995, 2000, 2002. Kevin also did not humiliate himself at the end of his career as Nasser did. Kevin finished in 3rd place at the 2003 GNC with a torn tricep, then left bodybuilding with his head held up high.
Kevin also won the Arnold Classic twice to Nasser's one time. Kevin held the IFBB record for pro wins for a time with 22.
As great as Nasser was (and I will admit he was an incredible bodybuilder and should have won the Olympia in 1997), he does not have a body of work like Kevin. If we are comparing their peak, it's impossible to say which is better...although I think most people will prefer Kevin's physique. Both men were great and would dominate today's IFBB bodybuilders. The competition today is WEAK compared to the 90s and early 2000s.
I agree, Kevin is one of the all-time greats and also possibly an "uncrowned" Mr. Olympia, but at his best he never looked better than Nasser of 95 to 99 (minus Nasser at the 99 Olympia where he came in a bit too small), but at the 95 O, 96 O, 97 O, 98 O, 97 AC, 98 AC, or 99 AC Nasser looked better than any version of Kevin. That's why he was given greater odds over Kevin to win the 98 Olympia when there was much speculation as Dorian retired.
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Kevin knew that putting endless amounts of oil(not hormones) in your body will catch up to you...Thats why 6 months out of the year he didn't...
Heath's mentor however is Cutler who can be seen in a tank top 360 days out of the year...And rumor has it pumps more bogus oil in his body then Flex Wheeler could ever dream of...
And by the looks of Heath lately, he is doing the same things...Heath may look great over the next 5 years, but after that, he will be done...
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Kevin knew that putting endless amounts of oil(not hormones) in your body will catch up to you...Thats why 6 months out of the year he didn't...
Heath's mentor however is Cutler who can be seen in a tank top 360 days out of the year...And rumor has it pumps more bogus oil in his body then Flex Wheeler could ever dream of...
And by the looks of Heath lately, he is doing the same things...Heath may look great over the next 5 years, but after that, he will be done...
Who's pumping the oil, Heath or Cutler? And yes, Phil is maxing his body out very early on in his career. I'm predicting a belly in the near future.
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Levrone was great, but Heath is a new bread. Heath will win more shows than any other pro....mark my words!
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Levrone was great, but Heath is a new bread. Heath will win more shows than any other pro....mark my words!
Quoted for idiocy.
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I thought Levrone reached his prime in 2000 where he beat Flex and Shawn
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I thought Levrone reached his prime in 2000 where he beat Flex and Shawn
Kevin was always prime. Kevin had many different looks...any of which could wipe the floor with today's top pros.
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Good thread. Looks like BBing is going backward.. :'(
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Good thread. Looks like BBing is going backward.. :'(
It seems that many here believe that to be so. The guys who came up in the 90s were extremely genetically blessed. Not only that, bodybuilding was more affordable and more mainstream than it is now. Something happened at some point where people stopped getting into bodybuilding. Does the rise of MMA have anything to do with it? Why has bodybuilding fallen off from where it was just 15 years ago?
Chris had one of the best "X-frames" of all time.
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Kevin all the way...Plus Kevin never posed like a teenage boy ala Mike Quinn/Phil Heath
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Kevin was always prime. Kevin had many different looks...any of which could wipe the floor with today's top pros.
kevin should have beat demayo in the natinals 91 (1st pic.).. demayo had better legs and calves but kevin beat him in everything else..
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It seems that many here believe that to be so. The guys who came up in the 90s were extremely genetically blessed. Not only that, bodybuilding was more affordable and more mainstream than it is now. Something happened at some point where people stopped getting into bodybuilding. Does the rise of MMA have anything to do with it? Why has bodybuilding fallen off from where it was just 15 years ago?
Chris had one of the best "X-frames" of all time.
Not only were they more genetically blessed, but remember that the anabolics of the time were still quite clean compared to the stuff that's out there now. And for the most part, turning pro means immediate status as a drug addicted roid-raging freak...today, most folks are just too smart for that. Hell, I'm sure I could have at least scored a pro card if I decided to take juice...why bother ruining your health and being labelled by society as a freak when you could just channel your efforts into football, or MMA? And actually make some money?
Bodybuilding, pro bodybuilding, is dying a slow death. We go nuts over Heath, and while I think he's great too, Levrone owns him. So does Shawn Ray. So do about five other guys from the 90's era whose only obstacle to getting a Sandow was the immovable object Ronnie Coleman.
Who have ya got today?...Heath? Flex Lewis (who's really getting a push from Weider)...Peter F'ing Putnam?!?!?
All you'd need to get back to the glory days is ONE thing...decriminalizing anabolic steroids and allowing those genetic few to take it to the next level. Speaking of next levels, the 90's WAS the next level. There's really no comparison for the overall talent that decade had compared to modern pro bodybuilding. In my opinion, that is.
MORE drugs...and get to the RIGHT people (thanks Dennis Leary).
That is all.
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Not only were they more genetically blessed, but remember that the anabolics of the time were still quite clean compared to the stuff that's out there now. And for the most part, turning pro means immediate status as a drug addicted roid-raging freak...today, most folks are just too smart for that. Hell, I'm sure I could have at least scored a pro card if I decided to take juice...why bother ruining your health and being labelled by society as a freak when you could just channel your efforts into football, or MMA? And actually make some money?
Bodybuilding, pro bodybuilding, is dying a slow death. We go nuts over Heath, and while I think he's great too, Levrone owns him. So does Shawn Ray. So do about five other guys from the 90's era whose only obstacle to getting a Sandow was the immovable object Ronnie Coleman.
Who have ya got today?...Heath? Flex Lewis (who's really getting a push from Weider)...Peter F'ing Putnam?!?!?
All you'd need to get back to the glory days is ONE thing...decriminalizing anabolic steroids and allowing those genetic few to take it to the next level. Speaking of next levels, the 90's WAS the next level. There's really no comparison for the overall talent that decade had compared to modern pro bodybuilding. In my opinion, that is.
MORE drugs...and get to the RIGHT people (thanks Dennis Leary).
That is all.
Late night quote. Just to preserve the record. ;)
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I liked his conditioning in '92. Someone posted a guest posing shot from '93 where he looked incredible.
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At this point in time, it is not even worthy of comparison.
LEVRONE all the way. Maybe Phil will surpass him, but until it happens,
it's all "Horseshit".
Levrone Rules.
Remember Kevin entered the O as a rookie and placed an arguable 2nd place. I give him all credit for that. The guy always picked the right music to pose to also and posed great to it....even at his first Olympia where he lost his original music.
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Five years is more then enough time. How long is the average BB career? Any BB thats shooting to beat Lee and Ronnie's record is not being realistic. I would have done the Arnold if I were Heath.
I agree...However Heath will never be able to beat Victor if Victor comes in shape every time...That is of course if they go by every other Olympia(other then Dexters)and bring it down to the back poses to cast the Olympia winner...
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I agree...However Heath will never be able to beat Victor if Victor comes in shape every time...That is of course if they go by every other Olympia(other then Dexters)and bring it down to the back poses to cast the Olympia winner...
pHIL will always beat victor ...
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pHIL will always beat victor ...
He hasn't yet, and you have no idea what Victor looks like right now.
Speculation without reason.
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He hasn't yet, and you have no idea what Victor looks like right now.
Speculation without reason.
Who cares neither will ever be Mr.O both will get robbed at times and miss their timming when it matters. I see jay and Dex playing ping pong with the Sandow's the next 5 yrs with a brand new guy taking over!!!
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Who cares neither will ever be Mr.O both will get robbed at times and miss their timming when it matters. I see jay and Dex playing ping pong with the Sandow's the next 5 yrs with a brand new guy taking over!!!
Then you are obviously not very bright.
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I would say that Phil is ahead of Kevin for his age. I think Kevin is one of the top ten body builders of all time, but i also think Phil has a chance to be as well in time if he keeps the progress up. However, if Phil is still around in 3-4 years then we can compare the two physiques in their prime. Kevin in his prime is hard to beat, but right now Phil is looking amazing as well. All Phil needs is to add the thickness and I think he would have Kevin beat, but it will take some time.
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Not bad for only BB for a little more than five years right. KL cant match that conditioning. If Phil stays in the hobby, keeps making progress like he has shown every year, is injury free and he stays healthy he will retire from BB as one of the best.
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath2.jpg)
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath.jpg)
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath1.jpg)
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Not bad for only BB for a little more than five years right. KL cant match that conditioning. If Phil stays in the hobby, keeps making progress like he has shown every year, is injury free and he stays healthy he will retire from BB as one of the best.
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath2.jpg)
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath.jpg)
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr99/MrNubain/Heath1.jpg)
Top bodybuilder for sure...Just very immature on stage...Almost to the point of of embarrashment...This guy needs to watch a few Bob Chick/S.Ray video's and learn how to pose...
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Kevin & Phil are the best 2 bodybuilders in the history of Bodybuilding. However, I like Kevin physique more than I do with Phil. :)
I think in time Phil heath is going to show the world the best physique that the history of bodybuilding ever known and it may be very soon!! Watch out for him in the coming Olympia ;)
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Compare between them for your self ;)
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Compare between them for your self ;)
Phil beats Levrone in that shot but that wasnt Kevin at his best, he only came 4th that contest in 1997.
But people need to remember that Levrone was taller and bigger than Heath
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Phil beats Levrone in that shot but that wasnt Kevin at his best, he only came 4th that contest in 1997.
But people need to remember that Levrone was taller and bigger than Heath
He came 4th but I see him wining that contest ;)