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Sounds pretty irresponsible to me. Why is a couple with six kids trying to make more, when they're having trouble supporting their existing family?
Mother of octuplets has six other children
(CNN) -- The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.
Dr. Karen Maples is part of the large team of doctors and nurses that helped deliver the octuplets.
The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.
"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times. "I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful."
The woman declined to have the number of embryos reduced when she discovered she was carrying multiples, the Times reported. The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2, according to the newspaper.
Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.
In the meantime, the mother, who remains unidentified, appealed for privacy while she recovers from giving birth, medical officials said Thursday.
In her written statement delivered by Dr. Karen Maples of the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in California, the woman who delivered eight babies in five minutes said she would soon make public the details of her "miraculous experience."
"We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets, and we appreciate your respect for our family's privacy," she said.
"The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."
"Needless to say, the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well," she added.
The six boys and two girls -- ranging in weight from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces -- are doing well following their Caesarean-section delivery at the Bellflower hospital, doctors said. They were born nine weeks premature.
Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatalist, said all but one of the octuplets are now breathing on their own. That baby might be taken off breathing equipment Friday.
Caring for eight premature babies is a challenge. Duties are being shared by a large team of hospital nurses and doctors for the time being. Two nurses have been assigned to each child, and all the babies are receiving fluids, proteins and vitamins intravenously, Gupta said.
"We feed them. ... We change diapers. ... When they cry, we console them," Gupta said. "When the mom comes and touches the babies, you can definitely see their expression on their faces and body. They are very happy."
The babies, who are being referred to by letters of the alphabet, will remain in the hospital for at least seven more weeks.
Baby H made headlines for its surprise appearance during the delivery, which took months of preparation by a team of doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists. Watch a report on babies' progress »
The mother will not be able to hold her babies for another week, Gupta said. They are still fragile, developing intestines, he said.
Doctors initially thought the mother was pregnant with seven fetuses. She was hospitalized seven weeks ago and ordered to bed rest.
During the seven weeks, a team of 46 physicians, nurses and other staff members prepared for the births. When they started the delivery Monday, they were in for a surprise.
"After the seventh baby was born, we were taking a sigh of relief," Maples said.
"It was a surprise of our life when we in fact discovered there was an eighth baby," she said. "We never had an assignment for baby H nurse or baby H doctor. We just had to go on the fly and figure out what to do."
"Baby G nurse stepped up. We handed off the baby to baby G nurse. She then delivered that last baby to the neonatologist of the baby F."
"It was all wonderful because of the teamwork and the training we did before," Maples said.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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Life BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about having babies. Pro life to the core, how dare you question this :D
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Actually, I think its a single mom, the way the articles about it have been reading suggests it to me.
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Life BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about having babies. Pro life to the core, how dare you question this :D
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Actually, I think its a single mom, the way the articles about it have been reading suggests it to me.
lol. I'm questioning her judgment. Sounds like she is married? "her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq." Not sure if that was talking about her or her mother.
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lol. I'm questioning her judgment. Sounds like she is married? "her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq." Not sure if that was talking about her or her mother.
Ah, ok, got that. Strange, I was reading about it on some other articles and the hubby was never mentioned. Does seem she is married.
She will actually end up financially okay I think. Octuplets are very marketable, not to be crass. She'll end up on some paid reality show on TLC or something.
Better her then me though, not to be rude. 14 kids is was too much for me.
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Ah, ok, got that. Strange, I was reading about it on some other articles and the hubby was never mentioned. Does seem she is married.
She will actually end up financially okay I think. Octuplets are very marketable, not to be crass. She'll end up on some paid reality show on TLC or something.
Better her then me though, not to be rude. 14 kids is was too much for me.
Too much for me too. I love kids, but 14 is insane.
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Too much for me too. I love kids, but 14 is insane.
Yeah, I also think it's a little unfair on them all.
As being real, they all can only get minimal time, very little individual time from the parents. I know you have your siblings so maybe that makes up?
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Yeah, I also think it's a little unfair on them all.
As being real, they all can only get minimal time, very little individual time from the parents. I know you have your siblings so maybe that makes up?
I agree. The kids do entertain themselves, but there is no way a parent can give all of those kids quality time.
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I agree. The kids do entertain themselves, but there is no way a parent can give all of those kids quality time.
No, it's worse then we thought - she is single, the man going back to Iraq is her dad, the babies granddad, I thought I read it on other news stories about it, and that is what they all say.
Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\
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Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\
I thought fertility treatments cost thousands of dollars?
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I thought fertility treatments cost thousands of dollars?
They do. Friend of mine paid $10,000 a time and that was a few years ago. Cost them like $50k to get pregnant [literally]
And also, why when you are single, just declared bankruptcy, live in a 3 bedroom with your parents, have six kids already would the doctors allow you to get that treatment?
And, CBS news says it was from a sperm donor.
I think she did it for cash. Apparently those John and Kate people on TLC with the 2 sets of triplets get half a million a year plus a house and all.
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No, it's worse then we thought - she is single, the man going back to Iraq is her dad, the babies granddad, I thought I read it on other news stories about it, and that is what they all say.
Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\
Whoa. Those poor kids. :-\
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I live in SoCal and this is all over talk radio. This stupid fucking lady went to Mexico the first time to have in vitro and had six kids. She is not married and is on medical. She lives with her mother and father who is the one that works as a contractor in Iraq. She went to Mexico this second time to get in vitro as well. She is also a full time student. It's fucking disgusting. Her 6 fucking kids go to private schools as well.
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I read it wrong and thought it said "Mother of Octopus"! ;D
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Definitely have to question the ethics of the doctor/medical facility that did this.
Octuplets: Eight times the ethical questions
By Elizabeth Landau
(CNN) -- As more details of the mother who gave birth to octuplets come to light, ethicists are debating the moral quandaries involved.
The octuplets' family's home in Whittier, California, near Los Angeles.
The woman had six other children before the set of eight, which were only the second set of octuplets recorded in the U.S. The babies' grandfather said Friday that his daughter wanted one more child and didn't expect this to happen.
Kaiser Permanente's Bellflower Medical Center reports that all is well with the mother and children. Seven babies are breathing unassisted, and one is receiving assisted oxygen through a tube in the nose. Seven are being tube-fed donated breast milk.
It is unclear how this woman ended up with eight embryos in the first place.
Her mother told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday that the woman had received fertility treatment and that she had embryos implanted last year. Watch for more on the octuplets »
"If she went to a fertility clinic, there's wide consensus from every single ethicist and fertility specialist that this was irresponsible and unethical to implant that many embryos," said M. Sara Rosenthal, bioethicist at the University of Kentucky's College of Medicine. "This is an outrageous situation that should not happen."
Doctors say that giving birth to extreme multiples comes with tremendous risks for both the mother and the babies. Risks for the children include bleeding in the brain, intestinal problems, developmental delays and lifelong learning disabilities.
In certain European countries, particularly Italy and Germany, the limit on the number of embryos allowed to be implanted at once is three, said Robert George, professor at Princeton University and member of the U.S. President's Council on Bioethics. George advocated following those countries' examples so that similar situations don't arise and put the lives of mother and fetuses at risk.
"What you need are professional norms and legal regulations that restrict practices that are inherently very dangerous," he said.
The woman's mother told the Los Angeles Times that doctors gave the woman the option of selectively reducing the number of embryos, and she refused.
As to a "correct" decision at this stage, experts are split.
George said that, based on the information available, his personal ethical decision would probably support the woman's choice to carry all the babies to term. But he said that selective reduction is not the same as traditional abortion because the goal is the healthiest possible birth rather than the termination of a pregnancy.
"The babies didn't put themselves there; it's not their fault," George said. "There does seem to be a serious ethical question about killing one or more of them, even for the sake of maternal health."
Rosenthal, on the other hand, questions the woman's capacity to make a good decision under the circumstances. Some neonatologists believe that when pregnant women are told about dangers of prematurity or have great expectations about giving birth, their judgment can be impaired, she said.
The situation raises the issue of whether a doctor ought to override a patient's wishes for the sake of saving lives, she said. Although the health care system in America gives patients autonomy in making decisions about their own bodies, when emotionally distraught, some people decide poorly, she said.
A doctor counseling a woman with octuplets may strongly recommend partial or full termination because of the risks to the mother and children. Even with triplets, a doctor would be "remiss if [he] didn't tell a woman with triplets about selective fetal reduction," said Dr. Scott Slayden of Reproductive Biology Associates in Atlanta, Georgia.
Dr. R. Dale McClure, president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, said in a statement Friday that the organization has been working to reduce the number of high-order multiple births resulting from in vitro fertilization treatments.
"If this resulted from an IVF treatment, we can say that transferring eight embryos in an IVF cycle is well beyond our guidelines," he said.
The guidelines state that patients under the age of 35 would not have more than two embryos implanted "in the absence of extraordinary circumstances." In fact, a woman in this age group with a favorable prognosis should have only one embryo transferred, the guidelines say.
The mother of the octuplets is believed to be 33 years old, according to the Los Angeles Times.
"It would be extremely unusual, very strange and hard to believe that somebody who is a professional would put that many embryos into a woman who is 33 years old who has children," Slayden said.
That she carried eight fetuses does not necessarily mean eight embryos were implanted, Slayden said. Four to 5 percent of the time, an embryo will split. As few as five embryos could have given rise to the eight children, he said.
Although it is "amazing" that the mother and eight children appear to be healthy, the story is somewhat dangerous for would-be mothers seeking fertility treatment, he said. They may see this example as a reason to take chances in attempting to birth extreme multiples, despite the large risks involved in such pregnancies and the rarity of their success.
The nanny who works with the octuplets' siblings said Friday that the woman "adores her babies" and is "a perfect mom."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/embryos.ethics/index.html
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I read it wrong and thought it said "Mother of Octopus"! ;D
;D
On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.
Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D
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I live about 15 miles from where this took place, and people are PISSED. When I first heard about this the first thing that came to mind was welfare.
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I live about 15 miles from where this took place, and people are PISSED. When I first heard about this the first thing that came to mind was welfare.
Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM? I love those guys! Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes.
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Yep. Taxpayers will be raising those kids.
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;D
On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.
Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D
OMG HAHA
That little beak/claw thing they have is really scary.
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Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM? I love those guys! Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes.
Both parties are horrendous. its just that the dejmocrats are far worse.
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This is a very alarming story on so many fronts. The clinic that implanted the embryos needs to be under immediate investigation.
Also, this single mother, with 6 previous children is not right. How the hell did she get through the screening process?
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This is a very alarming story on so many fronts. The clinic that implanted the embryos needs to be under immediate investigation.
Also, this single mother, with 6 previous children is not right. How the hell did she get through the screening process?
Ummmmm she went to Mexico to have the in vitro. This was posted in my reply.
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Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM? I love those guys! Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes.
I haven't listened to them in a long time. I usually listen to The Loose Cannons and Petros and Money.
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;D
On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.
Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D
hahahaha ;D
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;D
On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.
Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D
I hate feeling of seaweed wrapping around my leg.
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Unbelievable. What, her first 6 weren't enough? >:(
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Unbelievable. What, her first 6 weren't enough? >:(
Wait wait..........now they are saying she has a "mental health" problem. LMAO!
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Sounds pretty irresponsible to me. Why is a couple with six kids trying to make more, when they're having trouble supporting their existing family?
Mother of octuplets has six other children
(CNN) -- The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.
Dr. Karen Maples is part of the large team of doctors and nurses that helped deliver the octuplets.
The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.
"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times. "I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful."
The woman declined to have the number of embryos reduced when she discovered she was carrying multiples, the Times reported. The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2, according to the newspaper.
Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.
In the meantime, the mother, who remains unidentified, appealed for privacy while she recovers from giving birth, medical officials said Thursday.
In her written statement delivered by Dr. Karen Maples of the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in California, the woman who delivered eight babies in five minutes said she would soon make public the details of her "miraculous experience."
"We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets, and we appreciate your respect for our family's privacy," she said.
"The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."
"Needless to say, the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well," she added.
The six boys and two girls -- ranging in weight from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces -- are doing well following their Caesarean-section delivery at the Bellflower hospital, doctors said. They were born nine weeks premature.
Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatalist, said all but one of the octuplets are now breathing on their own. That baby might be taken off breathing equipment Friday.
Caring for eight premature babies is a challenge. Duties are being shared by a large team of hospital nurses and doctors for the time being. Two nurses have been assigned to each child, and all the babies are receiving fluids, proteins and vitamins intravenously, Gupta said.
"We feed them. ... We change diapers. ... When they cry, we console them," Gupta said. "When the mom comes and touches the babies, you can definitely see their expression on their faces and body. They are very happy."
The babies, who are being referred to by letters of the alphabet, will remain in the hospital for at least seven more weeks.
Baby H made headlines for its surprise appearance during the delivery, which took months of preparation by a team of doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists. Watch a report on babies' progress »
The mother will not be able to hold her babies for another week, Gupta said. They are still fragile, developing intestines, he said.
Doctors initially thought the mother was pregnant with seven fetuses. She was hospitalized seven weeks ago and ordered to bed rest.
During the seven weeks, a team of 46 physicians, nurses and other staff members prepared for the births. When they started the delivery Monday, they were in for a surprise.
"After the seventh baby was born, we were taking a sigh of relief," Maples said.
"It was a surprise of our life when we in fact discovered there was an eighth baby," she said. "We never had an assignment for baby H nurse or baby H doctor. We just had to go on the fly and figure out what to do."
"Baby G nurse stepped up. We handed off the baby to baby G nurse. She then delivered that last baby to the neonatologist of the baby F."
"It was all wonderful because of the teamwork and the training we did before," Maples said.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
I am not sure where you got this story from, but here is the latest from the ASSOCIATED PRESS saying this woman has NO HUSBAND and the father of the children is some man (David Solomon) who donated sperm... Seems this chick is MENTALLY SICK and obsessed with having children with no means of taking care of them
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON, Associated Press Writer Raquel Maria Dillon, Associated Press Writer Sat Jan 31, 10:30 am ET
LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.
"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."
Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.
Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.
Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.
The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.
Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.
The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.
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yeah let's blame everything on mental health problems. Gimme a break. Her parents kept supporting her ass.
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yeah let's blame everything on mental health problems. Gimme a break. Her parents kept supporting her ass.
Mc ANUS did you read the article??? The woman clearly has something mentally wrong with her. Her mother stood by her at first but now seeing that standing by was the wrong thing to do she is now ready to make her go at this alone...
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Mc ANUS did you read the article??? The woman clearly has something mentally wrong with her. Her mother stood by her at first but now seeing that standing by was the wrong thing to do she is now ready to make her go at this alone...
Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Yeah I did fuckstick. Everyone who does anything wrong or stupid has a mental health problem nowadays. Gimme a break. They should deport her and her fucking family back to Mexico. Maybe her stupid fucking parents should have done more to get her help.
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Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.
Yeah I did fuckstick. Everyone who does anything wrong or stupid has a mental health problem nowadays. Gimme a break. They should deport her and her fucking family back to Mexico. Maybe her stupid fucking parents should have done more to get her help.
MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS STUPID...The woman has intelligence enough to make her way through college...nonetheless she lacks the good sense to know that the fantasy she has of having 12 children (now she has 14) is not an intelligent thing to desire. Nonetheless the damage is now done and her mother is ready to leave her ass to the wilds of life. In her mothers desire to help her daughter she actually hurt her in making it possible for her to live out this demented fantasy...Reminds me of that other crazy lady in Pennsylvania who had 18 kids and wants more...at least in her case she is married, but nonetheless how can her husband afford this being that he is the only one working???
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MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS STUPID...The woman has intelligence enough to make her way through college...nonetheless she lacks the good sense to know that the fantasy she has of having 12 children (now she has 14) is not an intelligent thing to desire. Nonetheless the damage is now done and her mother is ready to leave her ass to the wilds of life. In her mothers desire to help her daughter she actually hurt her in making it possible for her to live out this demented fantasy...Reminds me of that other crazy lady in Pennsylvania who had 18 kids and wants more...at least in her case she is married, but nonetheless how can her husband afford this being that he is the only one working???
And she should be intelligent enough to know she has a problem. Quit making excuses for this bitch. The only thing she has done is exposed the holes in our system. Her parents don't need to abandoned her........the three of them and their shitty kids need to go the fuck back to Mexico legal or not. Now that she has a mental health problem I guess the US tax payers are going to have to pay for that too?
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And she should be intelligent enough to know she has a problem. Quit making excuses for this bitch. The only thing she has done is exposed the holes in our system. Her parents don't need to abandoned her........the three of them and their shitty kids need to go the fuck back to Mexico legal or not. Now that she has a mental health problem I guess the US tax payers are going to have to pay for that too?
I think some people really do love children.
Now, to this extreme, there is a huge problem. If you can't support the children you have why have more?
The mental stability is obviously at issue here.
And I don't think she will get a reality show. She is not "all there" and who would want to take the responsibility of the long term implications of the mental health of the children?
Sandra
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I live about 15 miles from where this took place, and people are PISSED. When I first heard about this the first thing that came to mind was welfare.
Hang outside the hospital in the trees and stuff and get the first pics and sell them to the tabloids. :D
The woman is clearly a nutbag, and the whole "in Mexico" doesn't add up, some are reporting that some are not. Where did she get the cash?
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These doctors should lose their license.
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Please, these piece of garbage does not love children. She is a selfish psycho who is putting 14 kids at risk.
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These doctors should lose their license.
Yep. Highly irresponsible.
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Yep. Highly irresponsible.
What really stinks is that the hospital where these kids are now is probably not the one who ias responsible for her getting pregnant in the first place.
These doctors should be stuck with the bill.
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And she should be intelligent enough to know she has a problem. Quit making excuses for this bitch. The only thing she has done is exposed the holes in our system. Her parents don't need to abandoned her........the three of them and their shitty kids need to go the fuck back to Mexico legal or not. Now that she has a mental health problem I guess the US tax payers are going to have to pay for that too?
OK MCASSHOLE...It is clear you have more than your fair share of mental problems yourself lacking understanding of what has been said multiple times to you
INTELLIGENCE is a separate process from making choices. A person may be able to pass all types of college exams, but is unable to make even simple life choices. Kinda like the drunk CUM LAUD college student getting behind the wheel of a car...not a wise choice
EXCUSES...I have made none...IT IS YOU who are making the excuses. I merely stated the obvious that she is mentally sick...CAN'T MAKE COMMON SENSE LIFE CHOICES.
HOLE IN THE SYSTEM...what holes are you talking about? Nowhere in the article does it say she is on welfare, or has legal representation or anything for that matter..What she did say is she was COMPENSATED for this act...meaning she VOLUNTEERED to be a guinea pig for this hospital/doctors/invitro procedure.
Her mother has had it with her and realizes the mistake she made by making her situation possible (living in the mothers home ...mother supporting her) in having all of these children...had she been on her own supporting herself her decisions would have been regulated by the fact that she would not have been able to support these children BY HERSELF..thereby restricting this warped dream off having many.
So far as your racist attitude of go back to Mexico...keep in mind THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF AMERICA SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT WHITES...except in their case they have good reason to say it.
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Regardless of your rantings, we the taxpayers still should not have to pay a dime for her.
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Regardless of your rantings, we the taxpayers still should not have to pay a dime for her.
You don't and you haven't....
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SHE IS IN A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS ::)
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SHE IS IN A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS ::)
What, she sells gas pills or something?
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:o >:(
Octuplets' Mom Wants $2 Million From Oprah, Media Deals
Monday, February 02, 2009
The single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2 million from media interviews and commercial endorsements to help pay the costs of raising the children.
Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 children younger than 8.
Although still confined to a Los Angeles hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer.
Her family has told agents she needs cash from media deals.
Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilization (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both the babies' health and her own.
Public reaction has been mixed: Many have asked how an unemployed single mother can raise 14 children, as her first six have already strained the family budget. Angela and Ed Suleman, Nadya’s parents, bought her a two-bedroom bungalow in the Los Angeles' suburb of Whittier in March 2007, but soon after fell on hard times and had to leave their own home.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486645,00.html
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Hey Samson you dipshit this mom used to work for a mental health facility! haha you are a sucker aren't you.
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MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS STUPID...The woman has intelligence enough to make her way through college...nonetheless she lacks the good sense to know that the fantasy she has of having 12 children (now she has 14) is not an intelligent thing to desire. Nonetheless the damage is now done and her mother is ready to leave her ass to the wilds of life. In her mothers desire to help her daughter she actually hurt her in making it possible for her to live out this demented fantasy...Reminds me of that other crazy lady in Pennsylvania who had 18 kids and wants more...at least in her case she is married, but nonetheless how can her husband afford this being that he is the only one working???
What lady is that? The only folks about whom I know with 18 kids are the Duggars, who live in Arkansas.
But, their situation is entiredly different. They have the means to support a family of that size. The father, Jim Duggar, is a self-made millionare and former city or state politician.
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Anyone else watch the interview clips? Strange lady.
Also, she's quite pretty, I wondered after seeing her pic why she went with artificial insemination, surely plenty of guys would like up to "do the duty", but mayhaps shes a nutbag too much and they said no.
Shes had plastic surgery, collagen lips for sure, rhinoplasty looks likely, wonder where she gets all this cash as a welfare mom?
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That article said opinions are mixed...on what planet did they do that poll?
This lady is nuts and exposed a problem with some fertility clinics. This needs to be investigated. She should not be able to receive public assistance either.
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Maybe she's subscribes to this philosopy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
I thought I read that she didn't choose to abort some of the fetuses due to her Christian beliefs
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Wonder what her Christian beliefs say about artificial insemination and knowingly putting her fetus' life in grave danger. She's an idiot.
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Watched a couple clips this morning. The woman is disturbed.
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Octuplet mom got more than $165K in disability
http://www.fresnobee.com ^ | Friday, Feb. 06, 2009 | By SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 10:51:42 AM by Lucky9teen
LOS ANGELES -- The mother of newborn octuplets and six other children collected more than $165,000 in state disability payments for an on-the-job back injury that she and a doctor said was worsened by pregnancy, according to state documents released Thursday.
Nadya Suleman, 33, became pregnant with all 14 of her children after a 1999 injury during a riot at a state mental hospital where she worked, according to documents disclosed to The Associated Press following a public records request to the state Division of Workers' Compensation.
The octuplets' birth last week and subsequent disclosure that Suleman is a single mother who already has six children - all by in-vitro fertilization - prompted a torrent of criticism and ethical questions about why she would want so many children, why a doctor would implant that many embryos and how she would care for her family.
Suleman was an employee of Metropolitan State Hospital from 1997 until December, when she resigned the position. Records show that for much of that time she was unable to work because of her injuries.
The documents reveal much about the mother's past, including a doctor's claim that she had three miscarriages before she had her first child, the mental anguish she endured from those failed pregnancies and the elation she felt after the first birth.
Suleman was injured at the hospital on Sept. 18, 1999, while helping restrain a patient as about 20 others wreaked havoc at the mental hospital. One of the unruly patients flipped a heavy desk that struck Suleman in the back. The injury caused her pain in her back and lower body and caused disc protrusions in three levels of her lumbar spine.
(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...
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LUCRATIVE BUSINESS SHE HAS ::)
Octuplet mom got more than $165K in disability
http://www.fresnobee.com ^ | Friday, Feb. 06, 2009 | By SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 10:51:42 AM by Lucky9teen
LOS ANGELES -- The mother of newborn octuplets and six other children collected more than $165,000 in state disability payments for an on-the-job back injury that she and a doctor said was worsened by pregnancy, according to state documents released Thursday.
Nadya Suleman, 33, became pregnant with all 14 of her children after a 1999 injury during a riot at a state mental hospital where she worked, according to documents disclosed to The Associated Press following a public records request to the state Division of Workers' Compensation.
The octuplets' birth last week and subsequent disclosure that Suleman is a single mother who already has six children - all by in-vitro fertilization - prompted a torrent of criticism and ethical questions about why she would want so many children, why a doctor would implant that many embryos and how she would care for her family.
Suleman was an employee of Metropolitan State Hospital from 1997 until December, when she resigned the position. Records show that for much of that time she was unable to work because of her injuries.
The documents reveal much about the mother's past, including a doctor's claim that she had three miscarriages before she had her first child, the mental anguish she endured from those failed pregnancies and the elation she felt after the first birth.
Suleman was injured at the hospital on Sept. 18, 1999, while helping restrain a patient as about 20 others wreaked havoc at the mental hospital. One of the unruly patients flipped a heavy desk that struck Suleman in the back. The injury caused her pain in her back and lower body and caused disc protrusions in three levels of her lumbar spine.
(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...
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What lady is that? The only folks about whom I know with 18 kids are the Duggars, who live in Arkansas.
But, their situation is entiredly different. They have the means to support a family of that size. The father, Jim Duggar, is a self-made millionare and former city or state politician.
The only difference is the Duggard lady is CRAZY and is married to a state crook (all politicians are CROOKS). She speaks like she is on heavy antidepressants or anti psychotics. She too keeps talking about having ENDLESS KIDS. These women are deranged and regardless of the fact that her husband works and has money doesn't lessen the fact that something is horrendously wrong in her thinking. What would happen if her husband dies? Or better yet now that america is in financial ruin, what are they going to do in regards to taking care of all of these kids should he financially end up wiped out??? Or he ends up getting sick: cancer, stroke, liver or kidney failure etc etc. And even if that were not the case how will he take care of all of these kids in regards to college, jobs, expenses etc etc. The cost of raising one child is stupendous per year...NOW IMAGINE EIGHTEEN!!!!! Millionaire or not these are things a wise person/couple take into consideration before having ridiculously large families...
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And she is supposedly considering the offer. :o >:(
Nadya Suleman, OctoMom, Offered $1 Million To Make A Porn
Posted Feb 25th 2009 11:30AM by TMZ Staff
OctoMom is used to having multiple people inside of her at once -- and now one porn company is willing to shell out big bucks to harness that skill on film.
Major porn distributor Vivid Entertainment has just fired off a letter to Nadya Suleman, offering her 1 million bucks to star in a skin flick of her own
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/nadya-suleman-octomom-off_n_169845.html
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LUCRATIVE BUSINESS SHE IS IN ::)
And she is supposedly considering the offer. :o >:(
Nadya Suleman, OctoMom, Offered $1 Million To Make A Porn
Posted Feb 25th 2009 11:30AM by TMZ Staff
OctoMom is used to having multiple people inside of her at once -- and now one porn company is willing to shell out big bucks to harness that skill on film.
Major porn distributor Vivid Entertainment has just fired off a letter to Nadya Suleman, offering her 1 million bucks to star in a skin flick of her own
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/nadya-suleman-octomom-off_n_169845.html
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Here's the latest on Nadya... I knew this beeyotch was a mental case the first time I heard her voice on the radio. I mean it's fine to be mental... we've all got our own issues to deal with... but the way she constantly tries to play off her mental-ness bugs the hell outta me... she's got an excuse for everything. That's what pisses me off.
"It's not welfare, it's assistance for people who are in need... and I'm not crazy, it was just 'hormones'." Yeah right, whatever, blah blah blah. ::)
Octuplet mom says hormones drove wild phone call
From Associated Press
March 05, 2009 2:12 PM EST
WHITTIER, California - Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman says the hormonal surge of pregnancy is what drove her to make a wild phone call to emergency dispatchers when one of her children wandered off last year.
In a video posted to RadarOnline.com Thursday, Suleman says she was right to call police when her 5-year-old son went missing, but she overreacted because she was pregnant with her octuplets and her hormones were out of control.
In the Oct. 27 call released by police on Wednesday, Suleman repeatedly told an emergency dispatcher she was going crazy and she was going to kill herself. The boy returned unharmed.
Suleman, an unemployed single mother, has come under scrutiny since giving birth to octuplets Jan. 26 because she already had six other children, ages 2 to 7.
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LUCRATIVE BUSINESS SHE IS IN ::)
She should be forced to pay the hospitals and govt back if she makes money off of this.