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Again people, you CANNOT negotiate with a country who wants to kill you!
US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to "unclench its fist".
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
Iranian politicians frequently refer to the US administration as the "global arrogance", "domineering power" and "Great Satan".
Tensions with the United States have soared over Iran's nuclear drive and Ahmadinejad's vitriolic verbal attacks against Washington's close regional ally Israel.
Former US president George W. Bush refused to hold talks with the Islamic republic -- which he dubbed part of an "axis of evil" -- unless it suspended uranium enrichment, and never took a military option to thwart Tehran's atomic drive off the table.
The new administration of Obama has also refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- to stop Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Iran denies any plans to build the bomb and insists its nuclear programme is solely aimed at peaceful ends.
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talk about failure.....Coach married 5 times ! :o
NT
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talk about failure.....Coach married 5 times ! :o
NT
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Again people, you CANNOT negotiate with a country who wants to kill you!
US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to "unclench its fist".
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
Iranian politicians frequently refer to the US administration as the "global arrogance", "domineering power" and "Great Satan".
Tensions with the United States have soared over Iran's nuclear drive and Ahmadinejad's vitriolic verbal attacks against Washington's close regional ally Israel.
Former US president George W. Bush refused to hold talks with the Islamic republic -- which he dubbed part of an "axis of evil" -- unless it suspended uranium enrichment, and never took a military option to thwart Tehran's atomic drive off the table.
The new administration of Obama has also refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- to stop Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Iran denies any plans to build the bomb and insists its nuclear programme is solely aimed at peaceful ends.
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"Bomb, bomb, bomb....bomb, bomb Iran..."
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They're just rattling their sabers to act like they're significant in the grand scheme of things, which they're not. They seem to be content to worry about the rest of the world while their people suffer from massive inflation, the highest unemployment ever seen and a host of other problems.
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Again people, you CANNOT negotiate with a country who wants to kill you!
US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to "unclench its fist".
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
Iranian politicians frequently refer to the US administration as the "global arrogance", "domineering power" and "Great Satan".
Tensions with the United States have soared over Iran's nuclear drive and Ahmadinejad's vitriolic verbal attacks against Washington's close regional ally Israel.
Former US president George W. Bush refused to hold talks with the Islamic republic -- which he dubbed part of an "axis of evil" -- unless it suspended uranium enrichment, and never took a military option to thwart Tehran's atomic drive off the table.
The new administration of Obama has also refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- to stop Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Iran denies any plans to build the bomb and insists its nuclear programme is solely aimed at peaceful ends.
Didn't you read what you just copied and pasted?
And what's with the constant posting of political threads on the G&O?
No comprende Ingles Seņor?
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Didn't you read what you just copied and pasted?
And what's with the constant posting of political threads on the G&O?
No comprende Ingles Seņor?
Oui!
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talk about failure.....Coach married 5 times ! :o
NT
Which has nothing to do with the topic....
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We're not at war with Iran..... ::)
Obama is right to go talk to him. After all, they haven't shot at us or anything.
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Again people, you CANNOT negotiate with a country who wants to kill you!
Reagan negotiated with Russia, who said on many occasions they would destory us.
Was Reagan wrong?
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This isn't even close to the same thing and if u don't understand that, there can't be much debate on the subject.
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Additionally, Obama didn't send them a creampuff letter.
He told them he doesn't want to wipe them off the map, but it's time they STFU and cut the nuke program.
They ARE someone we need to deal with. 15%+ of the world's oil comes outta that nation. They have 70 million people right next door to iraq AND afghanistan. If they decided to mine the waters one day, ONE HALF of the World Oil Supply would be frozen, with no means of delivery.
You have to deal with them, until of course, we find something besides gas to run our cars. They're talking tough because Obama just told them to drop the nukes or get fvcked up.
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We're not at war with Iran..... ::)
Obama is right to go talk to him. After all, they haven't shot at us or anything.
No, they've done worse like fund and supply the terrorists that are killing our troops.
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No? They build EFP"s and have trained the Mahdi army in Iraq. They have Qud's forces in Southern Iraq near Basra. They have given aid and protection to AQI as well as Al Sadr. They're thretening their neighbors and will cause a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan see them as a major threat.
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We're not at war with Iran..... ::)
Obama is right to go talk to him. After all, they haven't shot at us or anything.
North Korea set off a nuke.
North Korea said they would destroy california.
North Korea fired ICBMs at Hawaii.
On the 4th of July.
At the moment a Space Shuttle launched.
Did Bush negotiate with them after they did this? YES HE DID.
Not only that, but he gave them ONE MILLION BARRELS OF OIL to stop firing missiles at us. yes, they declared WAR on us, and we paid them to stop.
That is appeasement, guys. Plain and simple. Obama is writing a letter opening up diplomatic negotiations to avoid war with a country who hasn't fired ICBMs at hawaii on july 4th. Big difference.
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No, they've done worse like fund and supply the terrorists that are killing our troops.
you're a good guy Joe but you're so fuccking lame with this bullshit, give the John Wayne cowboy mentality a break for awhile. ::)
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No, they've done worse like fund and supply the terrorists that are killing our troops.
As did Russia, with our nice little proxy war in vietnam and other places around the globe.
Reagan still dealt with them.
Face it, Obama is doing what reagan did. Please shit on reagan's grave wihle you're at it
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Obama will get nowhere with this guy. He or we have to force the mullahs' to shit can him. If he keeps it up and backs Barry into a corner, Israel will act. The Likud party will take control of Israel in the next election and Netanyahu won't be fucked with.
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Obama will get nowhere with this guy. He or we have to force the mullahs' to shit can him. If he keeps it up and backs Barry into a corner, Israel will act. The Likud party will take control of Israel in the next election and Netanyahu won't be fucked with.
Maybe you're right.
But we won't know until we actually negotiate.
They get to save a little face for their domestic voting block with a tough letter. Nothing changes for us. If ISR bombs them, great, it's between the two of them. I sure would hate to see what happens to the USA when 1/2 of the oil we enjoy stops coming out of those straits.
Then again, a lot of people here who love war (but aren't serving) don't understand the economics of it (not a diss on you hh6)
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Ok 240 ur playing the moral equivalency game again....I don't care about Vietnam and the Russians. What I care about is a coffee can blowing through my 10 million dollar tank and killing my guys. Fuck Iran....fuck their oil. They can can glow. Or they can do the right thing and get rid of the shrimp and deal with the West.
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They're talking tough because Obama just told them to drop the nukes or get fvcked up.
"get fvcked up?" I didn't read that anywhere.
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Ok 240 ur playing the moral equivalency game again....I don't care about Vietnam and the Russians. What I care about is a coffee can blowing through my 10 million dollar tank and killing my guys. Fuck Iran....fuck their oil. They can can glow. Or they can do the right thing and get rid of the shrimp and deal with the West.
I'm all for bombing them to kingdom come.
However...
I'm not "all for" riots in the USA because food stops coming to stores because Iran mines the straits and we stop getting oil.
That is what concerns me.
You and your boys will be outta there in 2-3 years. Something we've been rallying for several years now.
They have us economically held prisoner here. My argument isn't about defending iran. Screw them, I could care less. It's about the economic repercussions of ending 1/2 world oil supply as we're teetering on the edge of financial meltdown.
This just isn't the time to do that.
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Maybe you're right.
But we won't know until we actually negotiate.
They get to save a little face for their domestic voting block with a tough letter. Nothing changes for us. If ISR bombs them, great, it's between the two of them. I sure would hate to see what happens to the USA when 1/2 of the oil we enjoy stops coming out of those straits.
Then again, a lot of people here who love war (but aren't serving) don't understand the economics of it (not a diss on you hh6)
And in order to prevent all the things we've posted over and over and over and over again from happening Obama might be forced to help Israel. They can bomb the nuke sites and remove that problem but they can't do everything to really stop Iran cold. I think the Mullahs will blink and force the hobbit it quit. IF oil stays at 44 bucks and their economy tanks, which it is, they will have enough of their own problems to deal with. Gas there is like 50 cents a gallon or was before oil fell.
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And in order to prevent all the things we've posted over and over and over and over again from happening Obama might be forced to help Israel. They can bomb the nuke sites and remove that problem but they can't do everything to really stop Iran cold. I think the Mullahs will blink and force the hobbit it quit. IF oil stays at 44 bucks and their economy tanks, which it is, they will have enough of their own problems to deal with. Gas there is like 50 cents a gallon or was before oil fell.
My first concern is getting us economy strong/surviving.
once we're back on top, bstrategic oil reseve is packed, then by all means, turn them loose and cook them. I'm all for that. I'm just saying you don't start a gunfight with 3 guys when you only have 2 bullets and you're ten miles from a hospital. Keep negotiations going with iran, see where it goes. fix economy in the meantime. Then, in 2 years, let isr blast iran into the group. I'll have smores with you over theiir burning nation, i'm cool with that :)
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Ok 240 ur playing the moral equivalency game again....I don't care about Vietnam and the Russians. What I care about is a coffee can blowing through my 10 million dollar tank and killing my guys. Fuck Iran....fuck their oil. They can can glow. Or they can do the right thing and get rid of the shrimp and deal with the West.
are the Iraqi people supposed to just lay down and not fight when they have people illegally occupying their land?
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damn....got me ! ;D
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are the Iraqi people supposed to just lay down and not fight when they have people illegally occupying their land?
Yet they spend the majority of their time killing their own people. Most of the people fighting and causing the most trouble are Muslims from other countries. The only difference between them and us is that they're Muslims and blatantly target Iraqi civilians. Most of the higher ups in AQI and the other groups were foreigners.
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Iran wants to kill Israel not the US.
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We're not at war with Iran..... ::)
Obama is right to go talk to him. After all, they haven't shot at us or anything.
Tell that to the familes of the soldiers who were killed by Iranian IED's
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This isn't even close to the same thing and if u don't understand that, there can't be much debate on the subject.
one difference is that the Soviet Union actually had thousands of nuclear weapons and Iran doesn't even have one.
one similarity is the a large % of the people in both the former Soviet Union and Iran are pro-western and approve of a open dialogue
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Yet they spend the majority of their time killing their own people. Most of the people fighting and causing the most trouble are Muslims from other countries. The only difference between them and us is that they're Muslims and blatantly target Iraqi civilians. Most of the higher ups in AQI and the other groups were foreigners.
but Seriously..We have no freaking business there...
Check it out...me and my familyhave major issues and some guy comes in and says..."yo i heard you got some shit in here you arent supposed to have"...then boom they dont find nothin...and say..."well we aint find shit but i dont like how you running your house, so im just gonna chill here and slap your family around a bit"..
thats kind of how the iraq thing is
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Tell that to the familes of the soldiers who were killed by Iranian IED's
right after you tell them the location of the WMDs their family members died for :(
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one difference is that the Soviet Union actually had thousands of nuclear weapons and Iran doesn't even have one.
great point.
USSR was a much bigger threat, and Reagan spoke with them for years.
maybe coach thinks reagan was just an appeaser then?
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Tell that to the familes of the soldiers who were killed by Iranian IED's
Why don't you go tell the families of Iranians or Afghanistans that died at the hands of Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden when they were both under the guise of CIA and covert US financing during the 80's. I mean do you have any clue why middle eastern countries hate the west so much? We've been meddling in their fucking countries for decades. Toppling their governments, killing their people. Let's not be fucking hypocrites here 333386. You're not that stupid.
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but Seriously..We have no freaking business there...
Check it out...me and my familyhave major issues and some guy comes in and says..."yo i heard you got some shit in here you arent supposed to have"...then boom they dont find nothin...and say..."well we aint find shit but i dont like how you running your house, so im just gonna chill here and slap your family around a bit"..
thats kind of how the iraq thing is
Kind of. ::)
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Why don't you go tell the families of Iranians or Afghanistans that died at the hands of Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden when they were both under the guise of CIA and covert US financing during the 80's. I mean do you have any clue why middle eastern countries hate the west so much? We've been meddling in their fucking countries for decades. Toppling their governments, killing their people. Let's not be fucking hypocrites here 333386. You're not that stupid.
Look dont get me wrong, we should not even be over there. Its all about protecting Saudi oil for our cheap consumption because we dont have the balls to drill and procur our own.
If it were me, on 9/12/2001 I would have told Saudi Arabia to fuck off and that we are going to drill our own oil and make do with our allies Canada and Mexico for oil. I would then have told Mexico that we will start shipping back illegals by the thousands a day unless they provide us with cheap oil.
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Look dont get me wrong, we should not even be over there. Its all about protecting Saudi oil for our cheap consumption because we dont have the balls to drill and procur our own.
If it were me, on 9/12/2001 I would have told Saudi Arabia to fuck off and that we are going to drill our own oil and make do with our allies Canada and Mexico for oil. I would then have told Mexico that we will start shipping back illegals by the thousands a day unless they provide us with cheap oil.
Or we could learn to trade with other countries in a civilized way. ::) The problem is America has nothing other countries need or want nowadays. we've done away with our manufacturing. Hence why for the past 50 years we've had to secure cheap oil by force. Instead of being a consuming economy we need to get back to a producing economy. Americans need to start cleaning their own fucking toilets and mowing their own lawns instead of relying on cheap labor. But corporations and stockholders are going to have to deal with making less money and profit as well. See to get back to where we need to Americans are going to have to sacrifice. As this economy crisis is showing us our desire for consumption is unsustainable. Everyone is going to have to give up something.
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Just walk around any mall and look around. Are those the people you think are going to produce anything?
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Maybe you're right.
But we won't know until we actually negotiate.
They get to save a little face for their domestic voting block with a tough letter. Nothing changes for us. If ISR bombs them, great, it's between the two of them. I sure would hate to see what happens to the USA when 1/2 of the oil we enjoy stops coming out of those straits.
Then again, a lot of people here who love war (but aren't serving) don't understand the economics of it (not a diss on you hh6)
What is there to negotiate over?
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Just walk around any mall and look around. Are those the people you think are going to produce anything?
LMAO........hell no. They can't even produce "viable" offspring. ;D
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LMAO........hell no. They can't even produce "viable" offspring. ;D
Nothing like seeing generations of fat slobs with shopping bags!
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What is there to negotiate over?
nukes
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nukes
I just dont understand how a nation can forgoe prosperity, trade with the world, products and goods, etc just to pursue a stupid religious ideology.
To me, if iran simply gave up their stupid ways, they could gain riches beyond belief. instead, they seem to relish in pariah status.
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I just dont understand how a nation can forgoe prosperity, trade with the world, products and goods, etc just to pursue a stupid religious ideology.
To me, if iran simply gave up their stupid ways, they could gain riches beyond belief. instead, they seem to relish in pariah status.
what would work better to get them (the people first and eventually the government) to see the benefits of our society (even given our presently fucked up state of affairs) and give up their "stupid ways"
1. continued isolation and antagonizing rhetoric
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2. opening up a dialogue and trying to find some common ground
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Additionally, Obama didn't send them a creampuff letter.
He told them he doesn't want to wipe them off the map, but it's time they STFU and cut the nuke program.
They ARE someone we need to deal with. 15%+ of the world's oil comes outta that nation. They have 70 million people right next door to iraq AND afghanistan. If they decided to mine the waters one day, ONE HALF of the World Oil Supply would be frozen, with no means of delivery.
You have to deal with them, until of course, we find something besides gas to run our cars. They're talking tough because Obama just told them to drop the nukes or get fvcked up.
ARE YOU FINISHED AT THE PODIUM???...IF SO PLEASE GET OFF AND SHUT UP
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"get fvcked up?" I didn't read that anywhere.
barry apparently wrote a mean letter but then his ppl denied it was ever written.
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Just shows that Iran's administration just hates American and Western society regardless of the president. If they were at all reasonable, they would make a better effort as Obama reached out a hand in improving relations. They just hate. We cannot try to be friendly with them and need to keep an extremely close eye on their terrorist supporting government. The only hope is that the younger Iranians overthrow their leaders eventually.
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Just shows that Iran's administration just hates American and Western society regardless of the president. If they were at all reasonable, they would make a better effort as Obama reached out a hand in improving relations. They just hate. We cannot try to be friendly with them and need to keep an extremely close eye on their terrorist supporting government. The only hope is that the younger Iranians overthrow their leaders eventually.
They need to keep stirring up hatred for the West to cover up their problems. Iran has some of the worst inflation, unemployment and economic problems in the world right now, and they were around before the world economy collapsed. Unemployment was around 10.5% in 2008 and was at 14-15% for a while before that. Ahmadinejad's party lost a lot of seats in local elections last year and they've since resorted to fear tactics and arrests for the upcoming elections.
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Interesting, I didn't know that. Good, f-ck him and his administration. Can't wait till the more moderate Iranians rise up against them (or just vote their asses out).
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.....AKA TerminalPower. ;)
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Interesting, I didn't know that. Good, f-ck him and his administration. Can't wait till the more moderate Iranians rise up against them (or just vote their asses out).
And how are moderate young Iranians going to rise up if we bomb the shit out of their country. If our government is so hell bent on bringing democracy to the middle east they should start with our allies Kuwait and Saudia Arabi. This whole Iranian shit is nonsense and just a way for the US to create a new boogey man ala the old Soviet Union.
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They need to keep stirring up hatred for the West to cover up their problems.
I think same applies on the flip side, not saying Obama is trying to, but a general thing some believe.
Continued talk about the Middle East is a "red herring", so some people, especially the less educated types, don't focus so much on the rapid economic decline of the USA.
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classic, lol...
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you know what's funny?
so many ppl here actually give a shit what ahmedijahad thinks.
Really. like he's the moral compass upon which they plan their lives. He said something bad about obama, so obama sucks. He's our enemy. he talked shit about bush, and he talked shit about obama. When he talked shit about bush, you said he was evil and needs invaded. When he talked shit about obama, suddenly obama is weak?
You are going to be whiners about everything related to obama, let's be honest.
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Very nice and short video from Scott Ritter on all those trigger-happy individuals who want to attack Iran:
Cheers.