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So we feed them 4-5000 calorie diets, special desserts, they get up to 18 hours a day outside in a communal setting, where they can play volleyball or soccer, they have art class, and they watch TV, with a favorite being "the deep sea fishing show off the coast of Alaska called 'The Deadliest Catch.'"
Torture American style. ::)
Inside Guantanamo Bay, a Study in Contrasts
Saturday, January 31, 2009
By Catherine Herridge
Assaults, cartoons and art class — all are part of the daily life at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
On a tour of the U.S. detention facility's camps four, five and six, which include the maximum security camps, FOX News was shown a place where often the facts are stranger than fiction.
"Once again on behalf of the joint task force, welcome to Camp 5. This is a maximum security facility," said Navy Commander Jeff Hayhurst, the deputy commander of the joint detention group and FOX News' guide for the day.
"It opened in 2004, cost $17.5 million. It’s modeled on a max security facility in Terre Haute, Indiana. Most of it was pre-fabricated off island and constructed once it arrived. … Again max security."
This camp is for the most non-compliant detainees — those who refuse to follow the rules.
"There's assaults by bodily fluids, feces, urine, semen, water, physical assaults, head butts, stomps, kicks — anything of that nature, that occurs routinely," Hayhurst said.
A common form of assault comes at meal time. Hayhurst showed us how detainees try to grab the guards' arms through the cell food slot in an effort to break them. These assaults, according to military officials, occur eight times a week on average.
Camp 4, also known as Camp Delta, is a different story. Inside were bunks for the most highly compliant detainees. And for their good behavior, the detainees receive special privileges, including up to 18 hours a day outside in a communal setting, where they can play volleyball or soccer. There is even art class, which is extremely popular. For safety reasons, at least one leg is chained to the floor.
There is TV, too. The favorite show of the alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban detainees is the deep sea fishing show off the coast of Alaska called "The Deadliest Catch." No one can explain why. That said, it doesn’t take a lot to get this population agitated and upset. Even though what the detainees see is heavily censored, Hayhurst says there can still be problems.
"There’s cultural differences, and there’s many things that can agitate the population. We’ve had some that even a TV ad of a fully clothed female who was washing her arms, I believe it was the Palmolive commercial, just agitated them." Hayhurst paused. "We had one population that destroyed a TV over that type of advertisement."
The cells are not as small as you would expect, and each one has a black arrow painted on the floor or bunk which points to Mecca so each detainee can pray. They are also issued prison garb — white means the detainee is highly complaint, while orange means the detainee is not complaint and on disciplinary measures.
The average age of the guards is 21, and most do 12-hour shifts. In many cases, in the maximum security camps, they must lay eyes on a detainee every three minutes as part of a suicide watch. It means walking eight to 10 miles in the dark corridors of the camp each day. A lot can go down quickly in the camps.
"I know there are a lot of things that transpire in the camp," Hayhurst said. "They're very quick and very smart."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486246,00.html
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What would make me laugh my ass off is if we just sent these clowns to Paris Island and put their butts through boot camp for a few years.
Hey, we dont torture our own soldiers right???????????
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i love we hear nothin but crickets from the libs on this board when something like this is posted. they dont wanna hear anything even remotely positive about the US when it comes to its conduct towards their prisoners. the sad part is that they are probably angered by this article.
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i love we hear nothin but crickets from the libs on this board when something like this is posted. they dont wanna hear anything even remotely positive about the US when it comes to its conduct towards their prisoners. the sad part is that they are probably angered by this article.
Definitely a crickets thread. Not a peep from those contending that we've been doing nothing but torturing Guantanamo detainees.
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They also said it will be worse for them in American prisons...awsome. ::)
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They also said it will be worse for them in American prisons...awsome. ::)
exactly sooner or later we will have 240 et al on here complaining about how we torture our prison population here in america.
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exactly sooner or later we will have 240 et al on here complaining about how we torture our prison population here in america.
Pfft... Ridiculous... Everyone knows that prisoners in the US are fucking taken care of... At the cost of Tax Payer dollars... It fucking SUCKS.
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Pfft... Ridiculous... Everyone knows that prisoners in the US are fucking taken care of... At the cost of Tax Payer dollars... It fucking SUCKS.
LOL not but a week ago or so some big entity that was all about closing gitmo b/c of its practices said it was against bringing the prisoners here and said that it would equate to another form of torture... ::)
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LOL not but a week ago or so some big entity that was all about closing gitmo b/c of its practices said it was against bringing the prisoners here and said that it would equate to another form of torture... ::)
Who said that?
I'm all for closing Gitmo and I don't believe in torture... but there's a difference between torture and making a prisoner who has committed a crime having to be held accountable for their actions.
They have to give back to the society that they wrong... such as chain gangs or what have you.
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Who said that?
I'm all for closing Gitmo and I don't believe in torture... but there's a difference between torture and making a prisoner who has committed a crime having to be held accountable for their actions.
They have to give back to the society that they wrong... such as chain gangs or what have you.
again everybody who believes water boarding, sleep deprivation etc...is torture should really do themselves a favor and read the geneva convention as it pertains to torture. Just about everything you could think of can be deemed torture including keeping somebody in prison, solitary confinement, etc... ::)
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again everybody who believes water boarding, sleep deprivation etc...is torture should really do themselves a favor and read the geneva convention as it pertains to torture. Just about everything you could think of can be deemed torture including keeping somebody in prison, solitary confinement, etc... ::)
Ok... That's really not the point.
I thought the point was about people in America prisons being "tortured"... I don't agree with that statement what so ever.
So, who cares what some bleeding hearts think about people who have been "convicted" of a crime.
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Ok... That's really not the point.
I thought the point was about people in America prisons being "tortured"... I don't agree with that statement what so ever.
So, who cares what some bleeding hearts think about people who have been "convicted" of a crime.
who cares about what some bleeding hearts think about ppl who have tried to kill or have information that could save the lives of US SOLDIERS?
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We should take a page out of the Koran, which advocates the use of extreme torture on men, women and children followed by beheading.
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who cares about what some bleeding hearts think about ppl who have tried to kill or have information that could save the lives of US SOLDIERS?
Again, many studies have shown that torture doesn't save lives and doesn't produce accurate information.
So who was saved?
Either we listen to the laws we agreed on, or we do not... It's pretty black and white.
We agreed to abide by the Geneva convention when it comes to prisoners of War... If we didn't want to, then we shouldn't and if someone takes our soldiers prisoner and then tortures them... You shouldn't get upset because you didn't agree to it in the first place.
Right?
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Again, many studies have shown that torture doesn't save lives and doesn't produce accurate information.
So who was saved?
Either we listen to the laws we agreed on, or we do not... It's pretty black and white.
We agreed to abide by the Geneva convention when it comes to prisoners of War... If we didn't want to, then we shouldn't and if someone takes our soldiers prisoner and then tortures them... You shouldn't get upset because you didn't agree to it in the first place.
Right?
The number of American soldiers who lived after being captured by AQI or other insurgents/terrorists in Iraq/Afghanistan can be counted on your fingers. Nevermind the fact that their recovered bodies usually show signs of tremendous and prolonged torture.
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The number of American soldiers who lived after being captured by AQI or other insurgents/terrorists in Iraq/Afghanistan can be counted on your fingers.
Quite possibly true... but does that make it ok for us to ignore the laws that we agreed to?
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Again, many studies have shown that torture doesn't save lives and doesn't produce accurate information.
So who was saved?
Either we listen to the laws we agreed on, or we do not... It's pretty black and white.
We agreed to abide by the Geneva convention when it comes to prisoners of War... If we didn't want to, then we shouldn't and if someone takes our soldiers prisoner and then tortures them... You shouldn't get upset because you didn't agree to it in the first place.
Right?
LOL bro the geneva convention should be observed by both parties not just one, Im sure our soldiers that are captured would voluntarily get waterboarded if it meant they werent going to chop off their heads or worse and again read the geneva convention its not BLACK AND WHITE.
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LOL bro the geneva convention should be observed by both parties not just one, Im sure our soldiers that are captured would voluntarily get waterboarded if it meant they werent going to chop off their heads or worse and again read the geneva convention its not BLACK AND WHITE.
We disagree on the black and white aspect... We always will... I don't really see why you continue to bring it up... You're certainly not going to change my mind about it.
The Geneva convention SHOULD be observed by both parties, but it isn't... So I personally DO believe that we should be BETTER than the ass hats who live in the desert... Or we are no better than they are.
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We disagree on the black and white aspect... We always will... I don't really see why you continue to bring it up... You're certainly not going to change my mind about it.
The Geneva convention SHOULD be observed by both parties, but it isn't... So I personally DO believe that we should be BETTER than the ass hats who live in the desert... Or we are no better than they are.
You fail to understand that even if we did "torture" these guys we would still be better then them, dont you agree? We dont run around attacking innocent civilians, we dont kill captured fighters, we dont implement tatics that intentionally put innocents in harms way...you over look ALL OF THIS and b/c we waterboard these fukers we are no better than they are...LOL sorry bro thats a uphill battle and ignorant as all shit.
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You fail to understand that even if we did "torture" these guys we would still be better then them, dont you agree? We dont run around attacking innocent civilians, we dont kill captured fighters, we dont implement tatics that intentionally put innocents in harms way...you over look ALL OF THIS and b/c we waterboard these fukers we are no better than they are...LOL sorry bro thats a uphill battle and ignorant as all shit.
Sure, we're better... But to act like we have some amazing moral high ground... Well, if we torture people... Then we don't have that anymore.
I'm saying that you start water boarding, then you start doing other things... It's a downward spiral that you shouldn't start in the first place.
If you're ok with it... good for you... I'm not.
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Yes you Americans are real heroes for imprisoning people in this "5 star" accommodation without trial for years on end with no end in sight - it brings a tear to my eye.
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Sure, we're better... But to act like we have some amazing moral high ground... Well, if we torture people... Then we don't have that anymore.
I'm saying that you start water boarding, then you start doing other things... It's a downward spiral that you shouldn't start in the first place.
If you're ok with it... good for you... I'm not.
AGAIN you seem to think that by us waterboarding these pricks we are equivilant to them morally...that idea is laughable. Its a slippery slope ok i get it the problem is that concept can be applied to anything and shouldnt stop you from doing certain actions.
you probably wouldnt have dropped the bomb on japan would you have? Look Im ok with doing what needs to be done to protect american soldiers and its citizens if that means cutting the heads off some terrorist pricks then so be it Ill take the low road so you can sit on the high road and we will all be alive in the end.
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Yes you Americans are real heroes for imprisoning people in this "5 star" accommodation without trial for years on end with no end in sight - it brings a tear to my eye.
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Yes you Americans are real heroes for imprisoning people in this "5 star" accommodation without trial for years on end with no end in sight - it brings a tear to my eye.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Exactly
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AGAIN you seem to think that by us waterboarding these pricks we are equivilant to them morally...that idea is laughable. Its a slippery slope ok i get it the problem is that concept can be applied to anything and shouldnt stop you from doing certain actions.
you probably wouldnt have dropped the bomb on japan would you have? Look Im ok with doing what needs to be done to protect american soldiers and its citizens if that means cutting the heads off some terrorist pricks then so be it Ill take the low road so you can sit on the high road and we will all be alive in the end.
Probably not... History has shown that it was completely unnecessary.
If you believe that you taking the low road is what keeps us alive... I feel you are gravely mistaken.
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Brilliant, so Fox News of all sources tells us it's a resort and BB and HH6 spaz out like there hasn't been a drop of torture take place ::) morons...
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Probably not... History has shown that it was completely unnecessary.
You could not be more wrong.
Show me where "history" says dropping the bomb on Japan was unnecessary.
It ended the war. And if I'm not mistaken, the Emperor in not so many words thanked us for that.
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The number of American soldiers who lived after being captured by AQI or other insurgents/terrorists in Iraq/Afghanistan can be counted on your fingers. Nevermind the fact that their recovered bodies usually show signs of tremendous and prolonged torture.
They dont care. Its blame america first and blame america always.
Waterboarding is a complete farce.
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Didnt you get the message???
It would have been better if we lost another 100,000 soldiers to the japs. That is what these traitors wanted.
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They also said it will be worse for them in American prisons...awsome. ::)
If they get put in the general population, Jihad will have to take a back seat to their protecting their backsides.
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Brilliant, so Fox News of all sources tells us it's a resort and BB and HH6 spaz out like there hasn't been a drop of torture take place ::) morons...
Fox news is the number one cable news station...at what point are u going to drill that through ur pea brain. They are a major news source and well respected. I don't spaz out at all. I think we should be doing whatevers neccesary to get info out of these worthless bastards. When these guys move to our super maxes inside the states, all those rights they got before in Gitmo, go away.
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Probably not... History has shown that it was completely unnecessary.
If you believe that you taking the low road is what keeps us alive... I feel you are gravely mistaken.
ahhh bro you are wrong on that the general concenses is that if we had to invade we would have lost a lot of men and japan would have lost more so...
second if you think that waterboarding or other interrogation techniques havent saved lives...you are gravely mistaken.
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They say upwards of 100,000 guys if we had to take the Home Islands. They looked at what happened on Saipan and were very concerned. Had we not dropped bomb 2, there was a very real possibility of a military coup that would have forced us to invade regardless, as the Imperial Army was not going to surrender. I think things worked out ok. TH, I'm sure ur fine with ur Sony TV or other Japanese made products.
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They say upwards of 100,000 guys if we had to take the Home Islands. They looked at what happened on Saipan and were very concerned. Had we not dropped bomb 2, there was a very real possibility of a military coup that would have forced us to invade regardless, as the Imperial Army was not going to surrender. I think things worked out ok. TH, I'm sure ur fine with ur Sony TV or other Japanese made products.
These morons have never read a history book, never read Sun Tzu, never read about previous wars, and have NO CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING.
War is a fact of life, it will always be. The key, as Sun Tzu said:
"It is important to project enough strength to your enemies such that they believe there is more to lose by being defeated than is to be gained by defeating you."
These liberal dope addicts dont understand that timeless concept.
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These morons have never read a history book, never read Sun Tzu, never read about previous wars, and have NO CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING.
War is a fact of life, it will always be. The key, as Sun Tzu said:
"It is important to project enough strength to your enemies such that they believe there is more to lose by being defeated than is to be gained by defeating you."
These liberal dope addicts dont understand that timeless concept.
I don't think TU is that bad but the people that think all the world's problems will go away if we left Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty amusing. Wishful thinking. :o
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My favorite is Clausewitz: "There are only 2 states of war, Peace and total war".
No TU's a good guy, we're just debating 2 bombs or alot of body bags. I vote 2 bombs.
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My favorite is Clausewitz: "There are only 2 states of war, Peace and total war".
No TU's a good guy, we're just debating 2 bombs or alot of body bags. I vote 2 bombs.
I meant the attitude of a lot of liberals who hold on to views that bear no relation to historical reality.
Its all emotion, no logic, reason, or historical perspective.
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Liberals and facts don't exist on the same planet. They look for causes, they look for who's supposedly getting screwed over and then whine, complain or spew bs until they get their way. They are the party of victims. Without the victims, without public programs, they'd get nowhere.
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Liberals and facts don't exist on the same planet. They look for causes, they look for who's supposedly getting screwed over and then whine, complain or spew bs until they get their way. They are the party of victims. Without the victims, without public programs, they'd get nowhere.
QFT.
Good Stuff.
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Welcome to Gitmo, may I take your order please? ::)
Gitmo Diet Making Prisoners Fat
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — A high-calorie diet combined with life in the cell block — almost around the clock in some cases — is making detainees at Guantanamo Bay fat.
Meals totaling a whopping 4,200 calories per day are brought to their cells, well above the 2,000 to 3,000 calories recommended for weight maintenance by U.S. government dietary guidelines. And some inmates are eating everything on the menu.
One detainee has almost doubled in weight, to 410 pounds, said Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand, spokesman for the detention facilities at Guantanamo, a U.S. Navy station in southeast Cuba.
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The meals include meats prepared according to Islamic guidelines, along with fresh bread, vegetables and yogurt. With nearly all detainees fasting in the daytime during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, authorities have arranged for a post-sunset meal and a midnight meal. Traditional desserts and honey also are served during the Ramadan observances.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217770,00.html
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For all of you guys....
1. Don't think leaving Afghanistan is at all the right thing to do... I want to get Bin Laden and hold him accountable for his actions.
2. I'm on the fence about Iraq now... Let's face it, we can all agree that the kind of person that should be in charge of that country is the type of person Saddam was. He kept the neanderthals in check. Was a bastard? Sure... But he kept the those kinds of people from being individual terrorists.
Here's something to read about as far as the Atomic Bomb is concerned... I recall hearing the same types of things on both The Military channel and the History channel about the usage of the Atomic Bomb.
A lot of people have said that the Atomic Bomb's use was much more to keep the USSR from expanding even more and to avoid what ended up happening to create "The Eastern Block".
Was the Atomic Bombing of Japan Necessary?
by Robert Freeman
Few issues in American history - perhaps only slavery itself - are as charged as the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. Was it necessary? Merely posing the question provokes indignation, even rage. Witness the hysterical shouting down of the 1995 Smithsonian exhibit that simply dared discuss the question fifty years after the act. Today, another eleven years on, Americans still have trouble coming to terms with the truth about the bombs.
But anger is not argument. Hysteria is not history. The decision to drop the bomb has been laundered through the American myth-making machine into everything from self-preservation by the Americans to concern for the Japanese themselves-as if incinerating two hundred thousand human beings in a second was somehow an act of moral largesse.
Yet the question will not die, nor should it: was dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki a military necessity? Was the decision justified by the imperative of saving lives or were there other motives involved?
The question of military necessity can be quickly put to rest. "Japan was already defeated and dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary." Those are not the words of a latter-day revisionist historian or a leftist writer. They are certainly not the words of an America-hater. They are the words of Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe and future president of the United States. Eisenhower knew, as did the entire senior U.S. officer corps, that by mid 1945 Japan was defenseless.
After the Japanese fleet was destroyed at Leyte Gulf in October 1944, the U.S. was able to carry out uncontested bombing of Japan's cities, including the hellish firebombings of Tokyo and Osaka. This is what Henry H. Arnold, Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces, meant when he observed, "The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell because the Japanese had lost control of their own air." Also, without a navy, the resource-poor Japanese had lost the ability to import the food, oil, and industrial supplies needed to carry on a World War.
As a result of the naked futility of their position, the Japanese had approached the Russians, seeking their help in brokering a peace to end the War. The U.S. had long before broken the Japanese codes and knew that these negotiations were under way, knew that the Japanese had for months been trying to find a way to surrender.
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, reflected this reality when he wrote, "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace.the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, said the same thing: "The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."
Civilian authorities, especially Truman himself, would later try to revise history by claiming that the bombs were dropped to save the lives of one million American soldiers. But there is simply no factual basis for this in any record of the time. On the contrary, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey reported, "Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped." The November 1 date is important because that was the date of the earliest possible planned U.S. invasion of the Japanese main islands.
In other words, the virtually unanimous and combined judgment of the most informed, senior, officers of the U.S. military is unequivocal: there was no pressing military necessity for dropping the atomic bombs on Japan.
But if dropping the bombs was not driven by military needs, why, then, were they used? The answer can be discerned in the U.S. attitude toward the Russians, the way the War ended in Europe, and the situation in Asia.
U.S. leaders had long hated the communist Russian government. In 1919, the U.S. had led an invasion of Russia - the infamous "White Counter Revolution" - to try to reverse the red Bolshevik Revolution that had put the communists into power in 1917. The invasion failed and the U.S. did not extend diplomatic recognition to Russia until 1932.
Then, during the Great Depression, when the U.S. economy collapsed, the Russian economy boomed, growing almost 500%. U.S. leaders worried that with the War's end, the country might fall back into another Depression. And World War II was won not by the American laissez faire system, but by the top-down, command and control over the economy that the Russian system epitomized. In other words, the Russian system seemed to be working while the American system was plagued with recent collapse and a questionable self-confidence.
In addition, to defeat Germany, the Russian army had marched to Berlin through eastern Europe. It occupied and controlled 150,000 square miles of territory in what is today Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia. At Yalta, in February 1945, Stalin demanded to keep this newly occupied territory. Russia, Stalin rightly claimed, had been repeatedly invaded by western Europeans, from Napoleon to the Germans in World War I and now by Hitler. Russia lost more than 20,000,000 lives in World War II and Stalin wanted a buffer against future invasions.
At this point, in February 1945, the U.S. did not know whether the bomb would work or not. But it unquestionably needed Russia's help to end both the War in Europe and the War in the Pacific. These military realities were not lost on Roosevelt: with no army to displace Stalin's in Europe and needing Stalin's support, Roosevelt conceded eastern Europe, handing the Russians the greatest territorial gain of the War.
Finally and perhaps most importantly, Stalin agreed at Yalta that once the War in Europe was over, he would transfer his forces from Europe to Asia and within 90 days would enter the War in the Pacific against Japan. This is where timing becomes critically important. The War in Europe ended on May 8, 1945. May 8 plus 90 days is August 8. If the U.S. wanted to prevent Russia from occupying territory in east Asia the way it had occupied territory in eastern Europe, it needed to end the war as quickly as possible.
This issue of territory in east Asia was especially important because before the war against Japan, China had been embroiled in a civil war of its own. It was the U.S.-favored nationalists under General Chiang Kai Shek against the communists under Mao Ze Dong. If communist Russia were allowed to gain territory in east Asia, it would throw its considerable military might behind Mao, almost certainly handing the communists a victory once the World War was ended and the civil war was resumed.
Once the bomb was proven to work on July 15, 1945, events took on a furious urgency. There was simply no time to work through negotiations with the Japanese. Every day of delay meant more land given up to Russia and, therefore, a greater likelihood of communist victory in the Chinese civil war. All of Asia might go communist. It would be a strategic catastrophe for the U.S. to have won the War against the fascists only to hand it to its other arch enemy, the communists. The U.S. needed to end the War not in months, or even weeks, but in days.
So, on August 6, 1945, two days before the Russians were to declare war against Japan, the U.S. dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. There was no risk to U.S. forces then waiting for a Japanese response to the demand for surrender. The earliest planned invasion of the island was still three months away and the U.S. controlled the timing of all military engagements in the Pacific. But the Russian matter loomed and drove the decision on timing. So, only three days later, the U.S. dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki. The Japanese surrendered on August 14, 1945, eight days after the first bomb was dropped.
Major General Curtis LeMay commented on the bomb's use: "The War would have been over in two weeks without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the War at all." Except that it drastically speeded the War's end to deprive the Russians of territory in east Asia.
The story of military necessity, quickly and clumsily pasted together after the War's end, simply does not hold up against the overwhelming military realities of the time. On the other hand, the use of the bomb to contain Russian expansion and to make the Russians, in Truman's revealing phrase, "more manageable," comports completely with all known facts and especially with U.S. motivations and interests.
Which story should we accept, the one that doesn't hold together but that has been sanctifiied as national dogma? Or the one that does hold together but offends our self concept? How we answer says everything about our maturity and our capacity for intellectual honesty.
It is sometimes hard for a people to reconcile its history with its own national mythologies - the mythologies of eternal innocence and Providentially anointed righteousness. It is all the more difficult when a country is embroiled in yet another war and the power of such myths are needed again to gird the people's commitment against the more sobering force of facts.
But the purpose of history is not to sustain myths. It is, rather, to debunk them so that future generations may act with greater awareness to avoid the tragedies of the past. It may take another six or even sixty decades but eventually the truth of the bomb's use will be written not in mythology but in history. Hopefully, as a result, the world will be a safer place.
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GOP lawmakers criticize $750,000 Gitmo soccer field
By Catherine Herridge
Published March 03, 2012
FoxNews.com
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At least four House members and one staffer from the Senate appropriations committee have pushed the Department of Defense for answers on the new soccer field for detainees at Camp 6 in Guantanamo Bay.
Fox News first reported on the $750,000 controversial project Tuesday.
Congressman Dennis A. Ross, R-Fla., is introducing the "NO FIELD ACT" that would penalize the Department of Defense and cut the 2013 budget by $744,000 -- the price tag for the Camp 6 soccer field.
"This may be the poster child for this election as to what's wrong with this country," Ross told Fox News in an interview from Tampa.
"We're talking about a significant amount of money spent for terrorist detainees at a camp that we are told is supposed to be closed," he said.
And Ross said the message from voters was clear. "I have heard from my constituents, 'please tell us this is not true,' you're asking us to contribute and is this the fair share the president is talking about?"
On the House floor this week, Congressman Ted Poe, R-Tx., underscored, what he portrayed, as the lunacy of the project.
While American soldiers are killed in Afghanistan, Poe said the U.S. government is getting ready for its grand opening of the soccer field.
"A swanky high-dollar soccer field for criminal terrorist detainees at Gitmo. And of course, Americans are picking up the $750,000 tab for the recreation facilities for these criminals," he said. "These radicals should be doing hard time, not soccer time. Our government has no business building this tropical Caribbean recreation facility for terrorists. It is disrespectful and insulting to all who are victims of these killers.
What's next at this terrorist playground? A tiki hut and bar on the beach?" Poe said.
The Guantanamo soccer field, half the size of an American football field, has special passages that allow detainees to go from the detention center to the outdoors -- without a military escort. The 28,000-square-foot field includes a soft walking track, security cameras and a razor wire fence. By spring, it should be open for detainees to use up to 20 hours a day after bathrooms and goal posts are added.
Defense Secretary Panetta was asked about the project at this week's House budget hearing where he defended the plan to increase health care fees for the military.
"I had a constituent that contacted me today about a news item. Did you know that apparently our federal taxpayers are paying for a $750,000 soccer field at Gitmo? Is that something that Department of Defense knew about?" Congressman Huelskamp, R-Kan., asked.
Panetta, having heard the question twice, said he was not familiar with the project.
The Guantanamo commander who oversees the camps, Rear Admiral David Woods, blames the high cost on the need to ship equipment and materials to the remote Navy base, adding that their mission is to keep the detainees under safe conditions that provide socialization. Outdoor recreation has encouraged good behavior from detainees which improves the working conditions for the guards.
On a tour of the camps, Navy Commander Tamsen Reese said most of the detainees were now housed in Camp 6 and they were used to communal living in an open air camp because they followed the rules.
"What the commander here is trying to do is make sure that we continue to maintain the same standard that we've had here and recognizing again that when the detainees moved from 4 to 6 this was one of, and again this was the first communal camp, this was one of the things the detainees enjoyed the most was the large recreation area," Reese told reporters.
The price tag of $744,000 is significant. A Pentagon spokesman said anything over $749,000 needs congressional approval. So far Democrats have been silent on the issue. The ACLU, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, who advocate for detainee rights, had no comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/02/gop-lawmakers-criticize-750000-guantanamo-bay-soccer-field/
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OMG you are kidding right? This is a joke?
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I wonder what the report will say? We fed them too many cheeseburgers?
Dianne Feinstein Pushes for Release of Senate CIA Torture Report
Tuesday, 02 Dec 2014
By Elliot Jager
The Senate Intelligence Committee is inching closer to the release of a 500-page executive summary of its long-embargoed report on the CIA's use of torture during overseas interrogations of Islamist terror suspects, The Daily Beast reported.
The committee report, which covers the George W. Bush era, has been held up by the agency's desire to remove as much sensitive and diplomatically awkward detail as possible.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the outgoing Democratic chairwoman of the committee, has been in negotiations with the White House and the CIA for months on the issue. Some Democratic senators have suggested that the Obama administration is less than keen on seeing the report made public, according to the Huffington Post.
Feinstein told reporters that her staff had "lots of meetings" with the agency over the Thanksgiving holiday about the disputed redactions.
An unidentified Feinstein aide added that the staff was "making progress every day" in addressing the issues holding up the report's release.
Republican Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and James Risch of Idaho are on record as describing the uncensored version of the report that the committee originally sent to the CIA for comment as "one-sided" and "partisan."
Citing the State Department and the concerns of U.S. allies, they wrote that "release of the report could endanger the lives of American diplomats and citizens overseas and jeopardize U.S. relations with other countries," according to the Daily Beast.
Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina is slated to take charge of the committee in 2015.
http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/senate-intelligence-CIA-torture-terror/2014/12/02/id/610459/#ixzz3Klb2kJRq
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Great interview by one of the guys who actually participated in the interrogations. We had doctors, psychologists, language experts, and interrogation experts all on site. Surprised we didn't have a chef too. And hacks like Senator Feinstein try and equate us to terrorists? Screw her and the horse she rode in on.
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So we feed them 4-5000 calorie diets, special desserts, they get up to 18 hours a day outside in a communal setting, where they can play volleyball or soccer, they have art class, and they watch TV, with a favorite being "the deep sea fishing show off the coast of Alaska called 'The Deadliest Catch.'"
Torture American style. ::)
Didn't one of the people being tortured die of hypothermia from well, um, having all his clothes taken and being put in very cold temperatures?
just want to make sure we're on the same page. I'm fine with torture, if we just admit it. But to deny we were jacking people up, that's just wrong.
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Didn't one of the people being tortured die of hypothermia from well, um, having all his clothes taken and being put in very cold temperatures?
just want to make sure we're on the same page. I'm fine with torture, if we just admit it. But to deny we were jacking people up, that's just wrong.
Screw Senator Feinstein, you, and every other liberal hack like you and the horses you rode in on.
For everyone else, watch the interview. Very informative. Very revealing. Great information.
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Didn't one of the people being tortured die of hypothermia from well, um, having all his clothes taken and being put in very cold temperatures?
just want to make sure we're on the same page. I'm fine with torture, if we just admit it. But to deny we were jacking people up, that's just wrong.
Yes, can't trust a word on this subject. That's the problem.
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Great commentary by Pirro. She is absolutely right. (Video at the link.)
BOOM: Judge Jeanine Pirro DESTROYS a “NAMBY PAMBY” US Senator with This Strong Statement (VIDEO)
By Editor
Judge Jeanine Pirro is a strong supporter of American exceptionalism and the American military. So when the outgoing Senate Democratic Majority spent millions on a report about torture and interrogation to embarrass the intelligence community, she unloaded on one far-left Senator from California.
“These are our enemies,” Judge Jeanine said. “Their mission is to kill us. So while their Allah says, ‘Kill the infidel,’ you and your Senate Democrats say we need to be kinder and gentler to them.”
“I, for one, am tired of American apologists like you trashing those assigned to protect us, those who put their lives on the line, like the CIA and law enforcement. They, and not you, have the high moral ground.”
via Fox News
Judge Pirro is willing to speak the hard truth that even many Republicans avoid. The world is full of evil, and terrorists don’t want to have friendly discussions. The only way to deal with evil is to confront and kill it.
Terrorists who are captured on the battlefield are not in uniform, and will do anything to protect themselves – They even use women and children as human shields. But they have information we need to keep America safe.
Do you support Judge Pirro? Please leave us a comment and tell us what you think.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/boom-judge-jeanine-pirro-destroys-namby-pamby-us-senator-strong-statement-video/#ixzz3MBoifN9V
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to embarrass the intelligence community
If they didn't do such a great job at that, themselves, maybe the writer would have a point.
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She should stick to doing idiotic TV shows.
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Screw Senator Feinstein,
Beach Bum/ Dos Equis,
That is very disrespectful of you to write.
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Beach Bum/ Dos Equis,
That is very disrespectful of you to write.
Shut up troll.
Oh, and . . .
Screw Senator Feinstein, you, and every other liberal hack like you and the horses you rode in on.
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Shut up troll.
Oh, and . . .
dude, you haven't changed a bit in almost ten years on getbig. Can you believe it's been that long?
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dude, you haven't changed a bit in almost ten years on getbig. Can you believe it's been that long?
I have remained consistent, as have you (consistently lying, being a phony Republican, kneepadding for liberals and liberalism, being a 911 Troofer, etc., etc.).
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I would love to torture Andre and straw for voting for Obama 2 x
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I would love to torture Andre and straw for voting for Obama 2 x
lol :D
Seriously, though, all of those pansies being a decades old Monday Morning QB can kiss where the sun doesn't shine. We were at war. There were threats of followup attacks. There was concern about nuclear or biological attacks. And you got a bunch of sissies crying about terrorists being deprived of sleep? Or being subjected to water boarding, which some military go through as part of their training every year? ::)
Comparing us to the animals who murder women and children and decapitate noncombatants is absolutely outrageous.
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Comparing us to the animals who murder women and children and decapitate noncombatants is absolutely outrageous.
I think people may be comparing us to our former selves, more like.
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I think people may be comparing us to our former selves, more like.
Whatever that means.
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::)
The New York Times really wants Bush, Cheney held accountable for 'torture'
By Becket Adams
Published December 23, 2014
Washington Examiner
Two weeks after the New York Times published an op-ed explaining how formal pardons could be used to acknowledge wrongdoing by former Bush administration officials in regards to the CIA’s "torture" program, the newspaper’s editorial board on Monday urged the White House to prosecute former Vice President Dick Cheney.
"The question everyone will want answered, of course, is: Who should be held accountable? That will depend on what an investigation finds, and as hard as it is to imagine Mr. Obama having the political courage to order a new investigation, it is harder to imagine a criminal probe of the actions of a former president," the Grey Lady’s board wrote in an editorial, titled "Prosecute Torturers and Their Bosses."
"But any credible investigation should include former Vice President Dick Cheney; Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington; the former C.I.A. director George Tenet; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who drafted what became known as the torture memos," the editorial continued. "There are many more names that could be considered, including Jose Rodriguez Jr., the C.I.A. official who ordered the destruction of the videotapes; the psychologists who devised the torture regimen; and the C.I.A. employees who carried out that regimen."
However, in an op-ed published on Dec. 9, 2014, titled "Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured," American Civil Liberties Union's Executive Director Anthony D. Romero took a much more nuanced approach to the question of what should be done with those who authorized the U.S.’ "torture" program.
Read more on WashingtonExaminer.com
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/22/new-york-times-really-wants-bush-cheney-held-accountable-for-torture/?intcmp=latestnews
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I would love to torture Andre and straw for voting for Obama 2 x
save your gay S&M fantasies for your boyfriend you fucking queer
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These idiotic threads from beach bum always crack me up.
I love it when a self professed christian whose "personal savior" was literally tortured to death by "the state" of his time makes glib jokes about torture. I guess without torture we wouldn't have Easter so it's a good thing.
I guess if some prisoners have good treatment some of the time then it cancels out the fact that we tortured others.
I'm sure Jeebus would completely agree with that
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This Christmas I am thankful we have our Village Idiot. Every village needs one. :)
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This Christmas I am thankful we have our Village Idiot. Every village needs one. :)
LOL and as usual you can't refute even one single thing that I've said
Do you think your lord and saviour would be in favor of torture?
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Torture is my PM box getting solicited by Andreisastalker daily - creepy mofo
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save your gay S&M fantasies for your boyfriend you fucking queer
Soul Crusher why does the Village Idiot constantly call you "queer"? I did a quick search and had no idea he says it so often. Is this projection?
definitely "funny" as in queer
Is that the best you can do queer?
LOL - you're a cranky little closet queer today
Hey Queer, post the requested quote or go back to jerking off to Obama
Hey closet queer
stay the fuck out of this
I'm responding to Ozmo
just the way you like them ...right queer ?
Hey Queer
How many times are you going to post that picture
you seem to really like it
I wonder why?
And that's not even the entire first page. Holy smokes. :-\
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:o Projection: "the attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/projection
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Soul Crusher why does the Village Idiot constantly call you "queer"? I did a quick search and had no idea he says it so often. Is this projection?
And that's not even the entire first page. Holy smokes. :-\
wow - way to make an EXTREME effort to avoid addressing the questions I've asked
yes, we all know that 333 is a flaming self loathing closet case
I'm sure he appreciates you pointing that out
Now, how about you tell us what you think your lord and personal saviour would think about torture?
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:o Projection: "the attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/projection
LOL - you mean like constantly calling Obama gay which what prompted my posts to 333?
that's why I tried to help our resident closet case to work through his self loathing
I'm sure he appreciates you bringing it up
I certainly don't mind
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LOL - you mean like constantly calling Obama gay which what prompted my posts to 333?
that's why I tried to help our resident closet case to work through his self loathing
I'm sure he appreciates you bringing it up
I certainly don't mind
Obama is gay - STFU already and deal will you?
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Obama is gay - STFU already and deal will you?
LOL - check it out Bum
what was that you were saying about projection?
Now, do you want to tell us what you think jesus would say about torture?
You've never been shy about sharing your thoughts on jesus before so what's the problem
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And there are all those times the Village Idiot called Soul Crusher a closet case.
and you're still a self loathing closet case who spends the majority of his life online pissing and moaning about other people
when Obama is off writing books, giving speeches and raking in millions of dollars you will continue to be a self loathing closet case spending your life online pissing and moaning
Hey closet case
if you want to help out Archer then go right ahead and fill in the blanks
otherwise STFU
that monkey on your back is really driving you nuts today
you can't seem to make a post without reminding us all what a self loathing closet case you are
no, the point of this thread is that it's Tuesday and our resident OCD closet case needs to get busy making his 50 posts about Obama and his wife
That's just a sample from page one. Safe to say the Village Idiot is obsessed with Soul Crusher. Definitely sounds like classic projection.
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And there are all those times the Village Idiot called Soul Crusher a closet case.
That's just a sample from page one. Safe to say the Village Idiot is obsessed with Soul Crusher. Definitely sounds like classic projection.
so still trying to dodge a simple question about jesus and torture....why is that?
btw - I have no problem with you bringing up my old posts about 333 being a self loathing closet case
please repost as many as you'd like
I appreciate it
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so still trying to dodge a simple question about jesus and torture....why is that?
btw - I have no problem with you bringing up my old posts about 333 being a self loathing closet case
please repost as many as you'd like
I appreciate it
Funny thing - between you and me - im the one in the hetero monogamous relationship and you are the Obama loving twink, go figure
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Funny thing - between you and me - im the one in the hetero monogamous relationship and you are the Obama loving twink, go figure
what does your imaginary girlfriend think of your gay obsession with Obama?
why do you think Bum chose to divert the conversation about torture to bring it up?
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what does your imaginary girlfriend think of your gay obsession with Obama?
why do you think Bum chose to divert the conversation about torture to bring it up?
Since Obama probably into SM w his older funders n the bath houses of Chicago - he probably should have been the one to torture KSM, etc :P
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Since Obama probably into SM w his older funders n the bath houses of Chicago - he probably should have been the one to torture KSM, etc :P
as usual, its obvious you've given it a lot of thought
why do you thing Bum brought up your obvious and well documented fascination with Obama being gay rather than answer a simple question about jesus and torture?