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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: QuakerOats on January 31, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
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damn no wonder he claimed 275 on lying barbell extensions, they're 3/4 close grip bench press, 1/4 extension, pretty impressive still but no wonder he tore his triceps, fast forward to :50.
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jesus christ dude, im suprised he hasnt torn every muscle in his upper body with form like that.
he might have the worst form of anyone ive ever seen.
oh yea, brutal momentum on his rope extensions. :-\
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jesus christ dude, im suprised he hasnt torn every muscle in his upper body with form like that.
he might have the worst form of anyone ive ever seen.
oh yea, brutal momentum on his rope extensions. :-\
actually in the latest MD he advises against doing skullcrushers AT ALL for fear of tearing a tricep like he did, that's the craziest looking extension i've ever seen, looks like a "JM Press" that powerlifters do.
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actually in the latest MD he advises against doing skullcrushers AT ALL for fear of tearing a tricep like he did, that's the craziest looking extension i've ever seen, looks like a "JM Press" that powerlifters do.
looks totally dangerous, my elbows would be under so much pressure doing a movement like that.
and skullcrushers are fine, doing skullcrushers with bad form is what gets u hurt.
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Looks like a JM press more than anything.
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Looks like a JM press more than anything.
JM press with horrible form.
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in all honesty
I haven't achieved anywhere near the muscularity of Branch...
but... Is that really effective tricep training?
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Triceps are a weak muscle group in any kind of extension movement, so I tend to keep the weight at just under the point where my elbows start to feel the strain.
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JM press with horrible form.
actually the form isn't bad at all for a JM Press but for a strict tricep extension it's terrible.
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branch training biceps. Can u say MOMENTUM!
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actually the form isn't bad at all for a JM Press but for a strict tricep extension it's terrible.
the form with 135 is ok for a jm press, but once he gets to 225, lord only knows what that is. its like 3/4 press with a little bit of extending.
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the form with 135 is ok for a jm press, but once he gets to 225, lord only knows what that is. its like 3/4 press with a little bit of extending.
yeah but that's exactly what a JM press is, 75 percent press and 25 percent extension, i've seen clips of powerlifters doing them in way worse form than Branch does there.
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Those are basically bench presses to the face.
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What I dislike about Branch's training is the hectic way in which it is conducted. Seems like no thought goes into any single repetition and how it feels.
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yeah but that's exactly what a JM press is, 75 percent press and 25 percent extension, i've seen clips of powerlifters doing them in way worse form than Branch does there.
ok i thought JM presses had more elbow flexion than what hes doing there. like a skullcrusher to the face.
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jesus christ dude, im suprised he hasnt torn every muscle in his upper body with form like that.
he might have the worst form of anyone ive ever seen.
oh yea, brutal momentum on his rope extensions. :-\
i am opposite your opinion
his form is brilliant
ive never seen someone do that closegrip/skullcrusher exercise... branch trains very similar to ronnie in o that he is very connected to his muscles, its apparant to me by watching him train that he is focusing on the target muscle alone... and that is good form...
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Ill just say this though JM press or not, with that type of form is it any wonder that branch has torn both triceps in the past 3 years.
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in all honesty
I haven't achieved anywhere near the muscularity of Branch...
but... Is that really effective tricep training?
just by looking, it looks extremely effective. watch the movemtn, look at what muscle ALL the load is on. triceps.
much better than skull crushers with 'traditional form"
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i am opposite your opinion
his form is brilliant
ive never seen someone do that closegrip/skullcrusher exercise... branch trains very similar to ronnie in o that he is very connected to his muscles, its apparant to me by watching him train that he is focusing on the target muscle alone... and that is good form...
i agree here to an extent, i think he feels every rep in the target muscle, can never tell by watching the speed or form someone uses where they're feeling the stress on the muscle.
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branch training biceps. Can u say MOMENTUM!
that is a purpouseful momentum, not to cheat the weight up, but to help him get better isolation in the biceps. this is called rythmic training. victor martinez and ronnie coleman both train the same way.
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ROM has little to do with contraction although it will depend on the exercise itself to a degree. (had to reword that). ;D
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Heres how Jm presses are done. From the man who created the movement. Jump to ~8:00.
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look at the purpouseful momentum, rythm, use by coleman on pulldowns to the front and seated machine rows.
very effective way to keep all the stress on the target muscle, while using HEAVY weights
try going HEAVY on either of those using no momentum...all biceps
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arnold trained with this same style too
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Heres how Jm presses are done. From the man who created the movement. Jump to ~8:00.
ok yea thats what i thought a JM press was, much different than what branch was doing.
branch was doing a bench press to his eyeballs lol, he just invented a new movement.
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ok yea thats what i thought a JM press was, much different than what branch was doing.
branch was doing a bench press to his eyeballs lol, he just invented a new movement.
watch the video of Branch again, not really much difference between what he does and what JM Blakely does in his clip.
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look at the purpouseful momentum, rythm, use by coleman on pulldowns to the front and seated machine rows.
very effective way to keep all the stress on the target muscle, while using HEAVY weights
try going HEAVY on either of those using no momentum...all biceps
Goin heavy like that using all that momentum caused branch to tear a lat, both triceps, and god knows what else in the future, hes only 34 or something.
and Ronnie tore his lat and tricep doin the same thing and lost the chance at breaking the record for most olympia victories because of it.
Any other good examples taylor?
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watch the video of Branch again, not really much difference between what he does and what JM Blakely does in his clip.
True. Not only that but some people use them to the upper chest and swear it works best for them. Really just gotta bring them to the spot where it doesnt kill your elbows but makes you feel it in the tris the best. Simple.
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watch the video of Branch again, not really much difference between what he does and what JM Blakely does in his clip.
JM used much more elbow flexion IMO, Branch was doing more of a close grip bench to his face.
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Goin heavy like that using all that momentum caused branch to tear a lat, both triceps, and god knows what else in the future, hes only 34 or something.
and Ronnie tore his lat and tricep doin the same thing and lost the chance at breaking the record for most olympia victories because of it.
Any other good examples taylor?
Brian Dobson said that Ronnie tore his tricep and lat when he slipped on some baby powder on the floor of Metroflex while he was getting ready to do T Bar rows, said Ronnie tried to keep it quiet.
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Brian Dobson said that Ronnie tore his tricep and lat when he slipped on some baby powder on the floor of Metroflex while he was getting ready to do T Bar rows, said Ronnie tried to keep it quiet.
I read that in MD too, u think thats true?
MD is so full of shit, i cant believe anything in there.
I called bullshit to about 10 times reading there arnold classic review issue this month.
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I guess I have been doing the JM press for years without really knowing it. ;D When done correctly it is a hell of an exercise, but once the weight gets too heavy you start to throw in to much chest shoulder which tends to take away from the triceps and also puts more strain on the elbow tendon. If may look like the same exercise, but it is not.
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I guess I have been doing the JM press for years without really knowing it. ;D When done correctly it is a hell of an exercise, but once the weight gets too heavy you start to throw in to much chest shoulder which tends to take away from the triceps and also puts more strain on the elbow tendon. If may look like the same exercise, but it is not.
Is that the skullcrusher/closegrip bench combo u were telling me about that u couldnt explain to me on the phone but u said u could only show me in person lol?
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Brian Dobson said that Ronnie tore his tricep and lat when he slipped on some baby powder on the floor of Metroflex while he was getting ready to do T Bar rows, said Ronnie tried to keep it quiet.
I may be wrong, but I do not think that Ronnie tore his tricep, but he def tore his lat.
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Is that the skullcrusher/closegrip bench combo u were telling me about that u couldnt explain to me on the phone but u said u could only show me in person lol?
Yep, when done correctly it is one of the best tricep exercises out there. Also, who was the guy who said all he ate was rice and beans? ;D Remember the exercise that he was doing the looked like a stiff arm lat pulldown, but he said it was a triceps movement? When done correctly that is also a great triceps move with an extreme contraction!!
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I may be wrong, but I do not think that Ronnie tore his tricep, but he def tore his lat.
His left triceps looks like its missing here lol.
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I'm going to haft to agree with that being a sloppy but still impressive JM press
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I agree with this, however if the momentum and weight is such that it led to injuries something's wrong.
Also, this is the big thing for me..all that and he's not even going to failure, pretty lame.
Like I said earlier, once he get up to a certain weight it turns into a different movement. Look closely and you can see he is using his muscles in a different way at a heavier weight. It is subtle, but very important to realize.
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Yep, when done correctly it is one of the best tricep exercises out there. Also, who was the guy who said all he ate was rice and beans? ;D Remember the exercise that he was doing the looked like a stiff arm lat pulldown, but he said it was a triceps movement? When done correctly that is also a great triceps move with an extreme contraction!!
All rice and beans MAX CHARLES!
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His left triceps looks like its missing here lol.
Yes, but the attachment still looks to be the same. Look closely and you can see that his shoulder and whole arm mass is smaller. Pinched nerve bro.
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All rice and beans MAX CHARLES!
Yep, that's him. Go back and look at the video and try that exercise with VERY light weight and see if you can "feel" how he is doing it.
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i am opposite your opinion
his form is brilliant
ive never seen someone do that closegrip/skullcrusher exercise... branch trains very similar to ronnie in o that he is very connected to his muscles, its apparant to me by watching him train that he is focusing on the target muscle alone... and that is good form...
I agree with this, but if the mix of too much momentum and weight was such that it led to injuries something's wrong and should've been changed.
Those don't look like JM Presses, because i don't see any form of extension on the way down; with extensions the elbows and hands are farther apart, with close-grips they're closer together. Those are lying presses to neck; bringing it to the neck makes it look very similar to extensions but with presses the hands are right under the elbows. Bringing it to the neck was something Gironda said were more effective on the chest, he probably thinks same for those close-grips for tris.
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Yes, but the attachment still looks to be the same. Look closely and you can see that his shoulder and whole arm mass in smaller. Pinched nerve bro.
yea true that whole left side is smaller. so do u think he lat is torn, but the rest is nerve damage ( the shoulder and tricep atrophy? )
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Yep, that's him. Go back and look at the video and try that exercise with VERY light weight and see if you can "feel" how he is doing it.
already had the video loading lol.
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yea true that whole left side is smaller. so do u think he lat is torn, but the rest is nerve damage ( the shoulder and tricep atrophy? )
Yes I think he tore his lat in the arm pit area and also had some nerve damage going on. I also think that the cholesterol meds that he takes is starting to make his legs atrophy.
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actually in the latest MD he advises against doing skullcrushers AT ALL for fear of tearing a tricep like he did, that's the craziest looking extension i've ever seen, looks like a "JM Press" that powerlifters do.
Yep, thats what I was thinking only a half-assed version.
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Yes I think he tore his lat in the arm pit area and also had some nerve damage going on. I also think that the cholesterol meds that he takes is starting to make his legs atrophy.
or has ronnie become ur everyday gym warrior and stopped training legs :-\ :'(
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It's not the same actually, one's a close grip press to the neck the other's an extension on the downwards motion. They look fairly similar because of bringing it to the neck, which is probably why he feels it's more effective.
Thats why i said it's a half-assed version!!
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or has ronnie become ur everyday gym warrior and stopped training legs :-\ :'(
Check out the side effects on cholesterol meds.
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Check out the side effects on cholesterol meds.
what's he taking, Zocor? i know they can fucck with liver enzymes but how do they eat muscle?
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Thats why i said it's a half-assed version!!
Ya but you don't know which one he's tryin to do.
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Ya but you don't know which one he's tryin to do.
Doesn't matter, they're done so shitty no one knew........thats why theres a thread about it.
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Branch pretty much bastardizes every exercise there is in an attempt to use more weight, not flaming because it's obviously working for him but he does some shit that makes you say....WTF? ???
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I've been to Metroplex. Everyone trains like that there. "Light Weight!"
Like idiots?
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Doesn't matter, they're done so shitty no one knew........thats why theres a thread about it.
If they're close-grips to the neck, the form is good.
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Check out the side effects on cholesterol meds.
Heres just a few that i looked up real quick.
Signs of liver damage, such as yellow eyes or skin, upper right abdominal pain, dark urine, and elevated liver enzymes (found using a blood test)
Muscle pain, tenderness, or weakness, especially if you also have a fever or feel ill (which may be signs of serious breakdown of muscle, known as rhabdomyolysis)
Significant, unexplained changes in the amount of urine you produce (which may be a sign of kidney problems)
Signs of pancreatitis, such as severe upper abdominal pain accompanied by nausea and vomiting
Memory loss
Signs of an allergic reaction, such as:
A rash
Itching
Hives
Wheezing or difficulty breathing
Swelling of the mouth, tongue, or throat.
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Branch pretty much bastardizes every exercise there is in an attempt to use more weight, not flaming because it's obviously working for him but he does some shit that makes you say....WTF? ???
couldnt have said it better myself. !
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Yes I think he tore his lat in the arm pit area and also had some nerve damage going on. I also think that the cholesterol meds that he takes is starting to make his legs atrophy.
Disgusted in your opinion, is there anyone right now in the IFBB on more drugs than branch warren???
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couldnt have said it better myself. !
that whole video used to be on youtube in parts and he does some crazy shit like seated shoulder presses that look like standing incline presses, doing sets of db presses where he's moving the weight two inches off his chest, barbell inclines where he wedges his body to the point where it's almost a flat bench, crazy shit like that.
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what's he taking, Zocor? i know they can fucck with liver enzymes but how do they eat muscle?
Not sure what kind he is on, but he mentions taking it in his video. Flex just posted some good info. Also, if you want a quick read, but some VERY informative on cholesterol and how it is made in the body read the chapter on cholesterol in a book called "Protein Power". You will then know more about cholesterol after reading that chapter than 95% of the Drs out there.
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Disgusted in your opinion, is there anyone right now in the IFBB on more drugs than branch warren???
That's a loaded question bro. ;D I was in Branch's hotel room a couple of years ago when he was in the AC and I can tell you that seeing those legs up close are a site to see.
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there's a pic of branch in the "teen bbing" feature that flex had last month.
he is a teen with veins in his chest and legs, pretty freaky for a guy who was just training a few years.
back then you can see the size and thickness he had.
it obvious branch started using at a very early age if not from day one.
being 5'7, maybe the drugs caused his stunted growth.
also, the fact that one of branch's closest friends (one of the guys in the posted clip) was one of the biggest roid dealers in texas -dave jacobs. which by the way ended in a murder suicide.
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that is a purpouseful momentum, not to cheat the weight up
Oh, but it is. Check out the alternating dumbbell curls.
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BOOM
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Disgusted in your opinion, is there anyone right now in the IFBB on more drugs than branch warren???
Based on outside appearance (that is if you can make this extrapolation which I think you can but only to a certain extent), markus rühl, but only markus though ;D
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Those are basically bench presses to the face.
true
bad form on EVERY excercise....
even pressdowns :-\
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Doesn't matter, they're done so shitty no one knew........thats why theres a thread about it.
Makes all the difference, as i said if they're close-grips there's no issue. The only issue is using so much momentum and weight that it causes injury.
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You want to see some crazy triceps strength,then look at this guys videos.Plus have a look for his dumbell pressing where he pauses at the bottom of every rep.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZ6gU1F_B4&feature=channel_page
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sa89sWa9Cc&NR=1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ILXw-1Xu7S0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz9yc6WWEc&feature=channel_page
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DpYteYfew6M&feature=channel_page
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You want to see some crazy triceps strength,then look at this guys videos.Plus have a look for his dumbell pressing where he pauses at the bottom of every rep.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZ6gU1F_B4&feature=channel_page
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sa89sWa9Cc&NR=1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ILXw-1Xu7S0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz9yc6WWEc&feature=channel_page
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DpYteYfew6M&feature=channel_page
He looks like shit, what's the point? Those JM Presses are again a misnomer, they're close grips that lack the extension ROM on the way down.
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He`s a powerlifter,he don`t care what he looks like.When you can use 140s like that,then you can criticize him.
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Looks like a JM press more than anything.
that's what i was thinking..
branch was training at metro the day we had our grip contest there last weekend and that man slings some serious weight
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He`s a powerlifter,he don`t care what he looks like.When you can use 140s like that,then you can criticize him.
Most BBs wouldn't care, I don't especially if that's the look you end up with.
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Most BBs wouldn't care, I don't especially if that's the look you end up with.
can your bowflex handle that much weight?
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Branch has a ton of muscle mass, but his training style is not very conducive to avoiding injury.
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will branch ever see better than his 2nd place Arnold finish in 06 or was that the top of his mountain?
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Jezus fucking christ. I just tore my rotator cuff muscles by only looking at the vid. ::)
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I also think that the cholesterol meds that he takes is starting to make his legs atrophy.
Hmm... do you think these meds make certain muscles atrophy and not others?
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This takes me back about ten years in my early twenties when I trained all out and crazy every workout every exercise. Some exercises had great form, some had brutally horrendous form. Either way it was the heaviest weights while grunting and sweating to loud music day in and day out.
Now I'm smarter and more relaxed about my approach.