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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on February 04, 2009, 12:51:33 AM
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Consider these events:
1. A president who started two aggressive wars, who bears responsibility for the loss of thousands of American lives along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan lives, leaves office as a free man without a felony record or any negative repercussions.
2. Meanwhile, the same populace that has intimate experience with lying politicians appears utterly smitten with a smooth-talking new president promising change and demanding sacrifice.
3. The Congress, which had an approval rate of 14% and which just passed a $700 billion bailout over the objections of a majority of Americans, had a re-election rate exceeding 95%.
4. Untold millions of Americans voice support of military troops as these very people are needlessly killed, injured, and separated from their families and productive work at home.
5. A general populace believed that buying unproductive assets, like housing, could make them wealthy, forever, without any coherent explanation why.
6. Researchers who pursue alternative explanations for AIDS and cancer get their funding cut and have the results of their research squelched, while others who try to improve life by providing healthful foods find themselves under attack.
Overt criminality by leaders and passive, unclear thinking by the proles have become the norm. The two go together, creating a symbiotic ecosystem of tyranny. Fraud, theft, and murder have become widespread, just as the scale of lies told and believed have reached new heights. Irresponsibility has become socialized while people in the honest pursuit of good get thwarted.
Those of us who want little more than peace and freedom don’t run the world. Pursuing freedom contradicts controlling others, so we can reason that people who pursue power have some motivations separate from our own.
I have not fully comprehended the implications of this until recently. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had assumed that the people who wield power feel similarly about moral issues as I do—I just couldn’t see why they commit and justify unethical behavior. I already knew that states operate according to a code that the rest of us don’t follow in our own lives. Nevertheless, I assumed that a man who acts without regard to moral laws must feel guilty about it. Then, one day, I stumbled onto this idea: Suppose he doesn’t.
cont... http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html
This is the kind of article I use to post here all the time. I was reluctant to post this time. Reluctant because I'm giving this "hope" Obama thing a chance. Am I a fool?... maybe. I hope not. I'm well aware of the powers against the people and have always figured they'd have their way so I'll probably be back to posting these type of articles until I can't.
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Q: Why Does the World Feel Wrong?
A: Contrails
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Q: Why Does the World Feel Wrong?
A: Contrails
Don't fucking start.
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All I know is war is in the air. We are headed for financial armageddon and the only way out of it will be world war unfortunately.
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All I know is war is in the air. We are headed for financial armageddon and the only way out of it will be world war unfortunately.
Exactly. Contrails spread across the lower atmosphere impeded people's judgment and voted in a war monger.
The CIA is flying planes over the Middle East daily and dispersing chemical via the contrail method to create unease in that region of the world - playing right into the hands of the Western governments.
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All I know is war is in the air. We are headed for financial armageddon and the only way out of it will be world war unfortunately.
there is another way, follow me, I'll be your leader :P
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Exactly. Contrails spread across the lower atmosphere impeded people's judgment and voted in a war monger.
The CIA is flying planes over the Middle East daily and dispersing chemical via the contrail method to create unease in that region of the world - playing right into the hands of the Western governments.
stop, just stop....
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stop, just stop....
Hey, only sharing my thoughts and theories matey! Can you refute what I'm saying? Prove to me it's not the contrails!
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Hey, only sharing my thoughts and theories matey! Can you refute what I'm saying? Prove to me it's not the contrails!
"I don't want to go there, Mrs. Torrance."
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Consider these events:
1. A president who started two aggressive wars, who bears responsibility for the loss of thousands of American lives along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan lives, leaves office as a free man without a felony record or any negative repercussions.
2. Meanwhile, the same populace that has intimate experience with lying politicians appears utterly smitten with a smooth-talking new president promising change and demanding sacrifice.
3. The Congress, which had an approval rate of 14% and which just passed a $700 billion bailout over the objections of a majority of Americans, had a re-election rate exceeding 95%.
4. Untold millions of Americans voice support of military troops as these very people are needlessly killed, injured, and separated from their families and productive work at home.
5. A general populace believed that buying unproductive assets, like housing, could make them wealthy, forever, without any coherent explanation why.
6. Researchers who pursue alternative explanations for AIDS and cancer get their funding cut and have the results of their research squelched, while others who try to improve life by providing healthful foods find themselves under attack.
Overt criminality by leaders and passive, unclear thinking by the proles have become the norm. The two go together, creating a symbiotic ecosystem of tyranny. Fraud, theft, and murder have become widespread, just as the scale of lies told and believed have reached new heights. Irresponsibility has become socialized while people in the honest pursuit of good get thwarted.
Those of us who want little more than peace and freedom don’t run the world. Pursuing freedom contradicts controlling others, so we can reason that people who pursue power have some motivations separate from our own.
I have not fully comprehended the implications of this until recently. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had assumed that the people who wield power feel similarly about moral issues as I do—I just couldn’t see why they commit and justify unethical behavior. I already knew that states operate according to a code that the rest of us don’t follow in our own lives. Nevertheless, I assumed that a man who acts without regard to moral laws must feel guilty about it. Then, one day, I stumbled onto this idea: Suppose he doesn’t.
cont... http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html
This is the kind of article I use to post here all the time. I was reluctant to post this time. Reluctant because I'm giving this "hope" Obama thing a chance. Am I a fool?... maybe. I hope not. I'm well aware of the powers against the people and have always figured they'd have their way so I'll probably be back to posting these type of articles until I can't.
Are you a fool?
There's several ways to answer that but I'll be nice here.
There's nothing wrong with hoping a president, politician, or a leader can fix problems.
But I think people are misguided in thinking they can.
I think you touched on a subject that can also be discussed in the Religion board so I won't get deep into my thoughts here.
I feel the article you posted is scratching the surface of Bible prophecy.
There is too many coming up to deny it.
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Are you a fool?
There's several ways to answer that but I'll be nice here.
There's nothing wrong with hoping a president, politician, or a leader can fix problems.
But I think people are misguided in thinking they can.
I think you touched on a subject that can also be discussed in the Religion board so I won't get deep into my thoughts here.
I feel the article you posted is scratching the surface of Bible prophecy.
There is too many coming up to deny it.
You can expand on religious angles here. The only thing I don't want posted here is purely religious posts with no or very little political angle. The two forums are going to cross from time to time with subject matter and that's no biggie. If it's somewhere in the middle you can post either there or here or both. So please, expand on what you're thinking. Or if you want I'll move the thread to religion and you can go at it.
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You can expand on religious angles here. The only thing I don't want posted here is purely religious posts with no or very little political angle. The two forums are going to cross from time to time with subject matter and that's no biggie. If it's somewhere in the middle you can post either there or here or both. So please, expand on what you're thinking. Or if you want I'll move the thread to religion and you can go at it.
That's why I didn't explain much. Tryin' to respect your rules, brah.
I'll actually give you props Hug-O. This is a good subject and maybe it can get discussed without religion. I was just offering my thoughts. Briefly.
Up to you if you want to move it.
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Is this any different from anything thats happened over the last 2000 plus years of history. The only difference is the information flow is vast and we're more connected via business, trade and treaties. When bad things happens it effects us faster, but its no different then before.
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Is this any different from anything thats happened over the last 2000 plus years of history. The only difference is the information flow is vast and we're more connected via business, trade and treaties. When bad things happens it effects us faster, but its no different then before.
Sorry, no facts allowed in this thread mate!
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Sorry, no facts allowed in this thread mate!
I'm going to hunt you down...
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lol that's pretty funny.
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BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.
But most of the stuff you listed either isn't a real problem or pales in comparison to the real problems this world faces.