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President Obama Likely to Order Military Commission Charges Dropped Against Terrorist Suspect
ABC Political Punch ^ | February 05, 2009 | Jake Tapper
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:24:14 PM by Smokeyblue
ABC News has learned that on Friday, President Obama will likely order the Department of Defense's Military Commission to withdraw charges against terrorist suspect Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The charges may later be reinstated in a military commission or pursued in a civilian court. Al-Nashiri will remain in custody.
The announcement will not be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole, where he will assure them that this step is not being done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri. The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
President Obama has expressed concern about whether the military commissions set up by the Bush administration are the proper way to go forward in pursuing charges against the U.S. detainees, and on January 22 he asked all the judges supervising the trials of detainees for a continuance of 120 days, so a team of administration officials could review the best way forward.
In almost the cases, that continuance request was granted. But last week the judge supervising the al-Nashiri trial -- Army Col. James L. Pohl, the chief judge at the Guantanamo Bay war crimes court -- said he would not heed President Obama's request for a 120-day continuance, or delay, in prosecutions of terrorism suspects. Pohl called the president's request "not reasonable" and not "in the interests of justice."
The arraignment of al-Nashiri is scheduled for Monday, February 9.
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Obama is getting worse by the second.
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President Obama Likely to Order Military Commission Charges Dropped Against Terrorist Suspect
ABC Political Punch ^ | February 05, 2009 | Jake Tapper
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:24:14 PM by Smokeyblue
ABC News has learned that on Friday, President Obama will likely order the Department of Defense's Military Commission to withdraw charges against terrorist suspect Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The charges may later be reinstated in a military commission or pursued in a civilian court. Al-Nashiri will remain in custody.
The announcement will not be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole, where he will assure them that this step is not being done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri. The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
President Obama has expressed concern about whether the military commissions set up by the Bush administration are the proper way to go forward in pursuing charges against the U.S. detainees, and on January 22 he asked all the judges supervising the trials of detainees for a continuance of 120 days, so a team of administration officials could review the best way forward.
In almost the cases, that continuance request was granted. But last week the judge supervising the al-Nashiri trial -- Army Col. James L. Pohl, the chief judge at the Guantanamo Bay war crimes court -- said he would not heed President Obama's request for a 120-day continuance, or delay, in prosecutions of terrorism suspects. Pohl called the president's request "not reasonable" and not "in the interests of justice."
The arraignment of al-Nashiri is scheduled for Monday, February 9.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
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President Obama Likely to Order Military Commission Charges Dropped Against Terrorist Suspect
ABC Political Punch ^ | February 05, 2009 | Jake Tapper
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:24:14 PM by Smokeyblue
ABC News has learned that on Friday, President Obama will likely order the Department of Defense's Military Commission to withdraw charges against terrorist suspect Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The charges may later be reinstated in a military commission or pursued in a civilian court. Al-Nashiri will remain in custody.
The announcement will not be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole, where he will assure them that this step is not being done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri. The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
President Obama has expressed concern about whether the military commissions set up by the Bush administration are the proper way to go forward in pursuing charges against the U.S. detainees, and on January 22 he asked all the judges supervising the trials of detainees for a continuance of 120 days, so a team of administration officials could review the best way forward.
In almost the cases, that continuance request was granted. But last week the judge supervising the al-Nashiri trial -- Army Col. James L. Pohl, the chief judge at the Guantanamo Bay war crimes court -- said he would not heed President Obama's request for a 120-day continuance, or delay, in prosecutions of terrorism suspects. Pohl called the president's request "not reasonable" and not "in the interests of justice."
The arraignment of al-Nashiri is scheduled for Monday, February 9.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
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If i were one of these family members, the SS better get between me and Obama.
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Obama is getting worse by the second.
"The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, "
Welcome to Tardville. Population = YOU
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It appears he will remain in custody and the charges can be refiled
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/uss.cole.bombing/index.html
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"The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, "
Welcome to Tardville. Population = YOU
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It appears he will remain in custody and the charges can be refiled
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/uss.cole.bombing/index.html
so he is going to remain in custody with no trial date? I thought this was one of the reasons why gitmo was going to be shut down? its stupid and if i was the capitan of the cole or one of the families that was meeting with barry tomorrow id tell him to go fuck himself.
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so he is going to remain in custody with no trial date? I thought this was one of the reasons why gitmo was going to be shut down? its stupid and if i was the capitan of the cole or one of the families that was meeting with barry tomorrow id tell him to go fuck himself.
no, it's for a change of judicial system from unconstitutional to constitutional and his eventual trial/trials under that.
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no, it's for a change of judicial system from unconstitutional to constitutional and his eventual trial/trials under that.
exactly
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And who is Obama to even make that determination?
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Perhaps I don't understand the details in this instance (military courts/commissions/justice), but this sounds bad.
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Perhaps I don't understand the details in this instance (military courts/commissions/justice), but this sounds bad.
The families are pissed off, the military commander came out today and is pissed off.
Lurker - you are a in denial that after three weeks, everything all of us said about Obama is already revealing itself to be true.
Do you really think Obama wants justice for the families??????
Give me a break. Obama is a marxist sleepr cell all on to himself and cares more for the rights of terrorists than this nations' security and the families of our soldiers who were killed.
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*yawn*
So when does this guy go free?
Oh that's right... he doesn't. And your whining was about WHAT?
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And who is Obama to even make that determination?
Exactly...since when the president is supposed to interfere so much to the Judaical system?
Well I guess when all the houses are filled with people you please daily aka Pelosi it gives you more power than you really should have.
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Exactly...since when the president is supposed to interfere so much to the Judaical system?
Well I guess when all the houses are filled with people you please daily aka Pelosi it gives you more power than you really should have.
Gitmo is not part of our judicial system.
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It gets even better.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2ExNzI3NzI1MzBmMmYzNzYwN2JlYWVlMDZhMzgyOTQ=
On that score, it is noteworthy that, before the appointing authority acted this evening, Obama had scheduled a meeting for tomorrow afternoon with victims and families of victims not only of the Cole bombing but of of the 9/11 attacks. At a minimum, he appeared poised to announce he was dropping the Cole charges against Nashiri. All evening, however, it has been floated from several knowledgeable sources that the president was prepared to announce the dismissal of all the commission cases — i.e., not only against Nashiri but against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotters. That suggestion is supported by the fact that the 9/11 families were invited to the White House meeting: there would have been no need to invite them to discuss an announcement that impacted only the Cole case.
Obama is crazy and America will be less safe.
I guess people don't learn from history.
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Gitmo is not part of our judicial system.
But this is, wait...he's only in office a couple of weeks...this won't be the last time he will do such a thing.
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It gets even better.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2ExNzI3NzI1MzBmMmYzNzYwN2JlYWVlMDZhMzgyOTQ=
On that score, it is noteworthy that, before the appointing authority acted this evening, Obama had scheduled a meeting for tomorrow afternoon with victims and families of victims not only of the Cole bombing but of of the 9/11 attacks. At a minimum, he appeared poised to announce he was dropping the Cole charges against Nashiri. All evening, however, it has been floated from several knowledgeable sources that the president was prepared to announce the dismissal of all the commission cases — i.e., not only against Nashiri but against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotters. That suggestion is supported by the fact that the 9/11 families were invited to the White House meeting: there would have been no need to invite them to discuss an announcement that impacted only the Cole case.
Obama is crazy and America will be less safe.
I guess people don't learn from history.
Palin was correct. We were correct, Rush was correct, Savage was correct:
Obama is a disaster. He makes Clinton & Kerry look like a hawk.
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The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
Are they planning to put him back on trial with a "legit" court?
If so, this panty bundle is all for nothing.
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Are they planning to put him back on trial with a "legit" court?
If so, this panty bundle is all for nothing.
On his first day in office, Obama ordered the halt, requiring prosecutors to seek delays in the 14 active cases before military commissions there. But the judge, Col. James Pohl, ordered arraignment for Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri to go ahead as scheduled on Monday.
With this move, all cases at Guantanamo are now in line with the president's order to halt court proceedings at the detention center, according to Gordon.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/uss.cole.bombing/index.html
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On his first day in office, Obama ordered the halt, requiring prosecutors to seek delays in the 14 active cases before military commissions there. But the judge, Col. James Pohl, ordered arraignment for Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri to go ahead as scheduled on Monday.
With this move, all cases at Guantanamo are now in line with the president's order to halt court proceedings at the detention center, according to Gordon.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/uss.cole.bombing/index.html
Should we now call him Emperor Obama?
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Should we now call him Emperor Obama?
How about "Decider" Obama?
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On his first day in office, Obama ordered the halt, requiring prosecutors to seek delays in the 14 active cases before military commissions there. But the judge, Col. James Pohl, ordered arraignment for Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri to go ahead as scheduled on Monday.
With this move, all cases at Guantanamo are now in line with the president's order to halt court proceedings at the detention center, according to Gordon.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/uss.cole.bombing/index.html
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BFD. so he wants legit courts. So he halts some proceeding with the intention of making that happen. What's the big deal?
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How about "Decider" Obama?
At a minimum, its a PR disaster.
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BFD. so he wants legit courts. So he halts some proceeding with the intention of making that happen. What's the big deal?
I dont' have any issue with it
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At a minimum, its a PR disaster.
Obama's first few weeks have been a series of PR disasters. But this thing isn't what it's being made out to be. Unless, the trial proceedings are permanently discontinued.
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Obama's first few weeks have been a series of PR disasters. But this thing isn't what it's being made out to be. Unless, the trial proceedings are permanently discontinued.
The problem is that he did not announce simultaneasly that he is going to proscute these people in other courts.
This is a real mess all brought solely about by Obama and his leftist delusions.
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The problem is that he did not announce simultaneasly that he is going to proscute these people in other courts.
This is a real mess all brought solely about by Obama and his leftist delusions.
No, lol. An incompetent press secretary or adviser.
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No, lol. An incompetent press secretary or adviser.
A press secretary cannot explain away what appears to be treasonous on its face unless there is an adequate explanation.
So far, we have got no explanation that passes muster.
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No, lol. An incompetent press secretary or adviser.
I'm not that impressed with Robert Gibbs so far - still trying to reserve judgement on almost everthing right now. I'd hate to start a new job and have everyone shitting on me from day 1.
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I'm not that impressed with Robert Gibbs so far - still trying to reserve judgement on almost everthing right now. I'd hate to start a new job and have everyone shitting on me from day 1.
Maybe that is why GWB was smiling and so nice to Obama on his way out?????????????
He knew Obama had no clue what he was in for.
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A press secretary cannot explain away what appears to be treasonous on its face unless there is an adequate explanation.
So far, we have got no explanation that passes muster.
Not if you read this part:
The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
What's happening is conservatives are spinning.
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Not if you read this part:
The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
What's happening is conservatives are spinning.
Right.
So Obama is going to make the determination some time on the future when these trials were perfectly fine during WW2??????????
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Right.
So Obama is going to make the determination some time on the future when these trials were perfectly fine during WW2??????????
This is where we have to wait and see. they may have been perfectly fine in WW2, however, this is far different than WW2 in that these prisoners are more criminal than captured enemy soldiers from the army of another independent country.
What's not going to happen which has been subtly suggested in this thread is the charges being drop an this guy being let go. IF that happens there will be trouble unless its proved he's the wrong guy.
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So far, everything we all said about Obama is coming 100000000% not after months, but days of his taking office.
He cares more about the rights of terrorists than the families of our soldiers who were killed.
Seriously, tell me why he takes such a personal interest in this when this asshole killed 17 of our soldiers and these trials were ok during WW2?????
JUST WHAT SIDE IS HE ON???????????????
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So far, everything we all said about Obama is coming 100000000% not after months, but days of his taking office.
He cares more about the rights of terrorists than the families of our soldiers who were killed.
Seriously, tell me why he takes such a personal interest in this when this asshole killed 17 of our soldiers and these trials were ok during WW2?????
JUST WHAT SIDE IS HE ON???????????????
I think it can be argued with more credibility that he may be more concerned about maintaining the integrity of the process rather than saying he for terrorists rights.
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Not if you read this part:
The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
What's happening is conservatives are spinning.
The whole point is he closed Gitmo before think about what he would actually have to do with prisoners and he got called on it By Col. Pohl.
If Kalid goes before an American judge and if the supreme court finds waterboarding to be torture. He will be free.
Even more disturbing is that most of the people held at Gitmo didn't perform any illegal acts on US soil so America can not try them, so they will be sent home only to become terrorist again.
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The whole point is he closed Gitmo before think about what he would actually have to do with prisoners and he got called on it By Col. Pohl.
If Kalid goes before an American judge and if the supreme court finds waterboarding to be torture. He will be free.
Even more disturbing is that most of the people held at Gitmo didn't perform any illegal acts on US soil so America can not try them, so they will be sent home only to become terrorist again.
If Kalid is set free it will a huge disaster for Obama and America. I can't believe that his admin or the military would let that happen.
Also, why can't they find a way to "try" them where they got them from?
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I think it can be argued with more credibility that he may be more concerned about maintaining the integrity of the process rather than saying he for terrorists rights.
Considering that these courts were declared legal during WW2, it definately does not seem that he is protecting anything but the rights of those who kill our soldiers.
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Maybe its a political ploy that will ultimately correct the perceived illegitimate court system in the eyes of the whistle blowing libs and will end up proceeding anyway. Perhaps at another location.
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Maybe its a political ploy that will ultimately correct the perceived illegitimate court system in the eyes of the whistle blowing libs and will end up proceeding anyway. Perhaps at another location.
Regardless of anything else, you have to admit that pushing this nonsense so quickly plays right into the hands of those of us who said he would be more concerned with terrorists rights, etc, than anything else.
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And who is Obama to even make that determination?
How DARE Obama work to undo unconstitutional crap Bush put in place as though he were King with his signing statements. Who the fuck does this guy think he is lol...
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Considering that these courts were declared legal during WW2, it definately does not seem that he is protecting anything but the rights of those who kill our soldiers.
But there's a difference between these terrorists and a captured German soldier.
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Regardless of anything else, you have to admit that pushing this nonsense so quickly plays right into the hands of those of us who said he would be more concerned with terrorists rights, etc, than anything else.
I agree. Bad political move, poorly executed. You and I could have done better. :)
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How DARE Obama work to undo unconstitutional crap Bush put in place as though he were King with his signing statements. Who the fuck does this guy think he is lol...
The way he is handling things is horrible.
If you had a family member who was on the cole you would not feel the same way.
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If Kalid is set free it will a huge disaster for him and America. I can't believe that his admin or the military would let that happen.
Also, why can't they find a way to "try" them where they got them from?
Many of these guys can't be sent home because the US won't deport a prisoner to nation that would kill or torture them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-judge-rules-guantanamo-inmate-cannot-be-deported-396560.html
In the latest case, Judge Kessler said: "It would be a profound miscarriage of justice" if she allowed the government to send Mr Rahman to Tunisia. She said this would amount to a death sentence. Mr Rahman faces a 20-year sentence in Tunisia after being convicted there on terrorism charges while being held at Guantanamo. Mr Rahman's lawyer said Judge Kessler's ruling would enable his client to fight what were vague assertions by the Tunisian military that he was "associated with several terrorists".
I don't think many people truly grasp what will happen if Gitmo closes.
You will likely have known terrorists living free in the US. Nothing like going to the Kalid school of terrorism based in Baltimore.
There are many reasons for this but the main point is that they can't hold a prisoner indefinitely and they can't be deported to country where they will be killed.
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Many of these guys can't be sent home because the US won't deport a prisoner to nation that would kill or torture them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-judge-rules-guantanamo-inmate-cannot-be-deported-396560.html
In the latest case, Judge Kessler said: "It would be a profound miscarriage of justice" if she allowed the government to send Mr Rahman to Tunisia. She said this would amount to a death sentence. Mr Rahman faces a 20-year sentence in Tunisia after being convicted there on terrorism charges while being held at Guantanamo. Mr Rahman's lawyer said Judge Kessler's ruling would enable his client to fight what were vague assertions by the Tunisian military that he was "associated with several terrorists".
I don't think many people truly grasp what will happen if Gitmo closes.
You will likely have known terrorists living free in the US. Nothing like going to the Kalid school of terrorism based in Baltimore.
There are many reasons for this but the main point is that they can't hold a prisoner indefinitely and they can't be deported to country where they will be killed.
ZERO is melting down faster than anyone thought. His liberal platitudes sound good to the devoted followers, but to anyone with a brain, they see through his garbage.
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Maybe that is why GWB was smiling and so nice to Obama on his way out?????????????
He knew Obama had no clue what he was in for.
For some reason I think Bush has been drunk continously since his plane landed in Dallas.
He hardly cared about the job when he had it and probably hasn't even turned on the news
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How DARE Obama work to undo unconstitutional crap Bush put in place as though he were King with his signing statements. Who the fuck does this guy think he is lol...
How can something, not in the Constitution, be un-Constitutional. This guy is not covered by the Constitution or our laws. He falls in a grey area readily covered by military triibunals that didn't just spring to life under Bush...study ur history. Had this been FDR..they would have had a fair trail and hung.
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For some reason I think Bush has been drunk continously since his plane landed in Dallas.
He hardly cared about the job when he had it and probably hasn't even turned on the news
you really need to stop watching that retard olberman
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How can something, not in the Constitution, be un-Constitutional. This guy is not covered by the Constitution or our laws. He falls in a grey area readily covered by military triibunals that didn't just spring to life under Bush...study ur history. Had this been FDR..they would have had a fair trail and hung.
I think it's more to do with moving away from this slippery slope we were sliding into in several areas. with Americans being declared terrorists and enemy combatants and removed from constitutional protection. The terrorist charge gets leveled so easy. I just watched a show where some lady got drunk on a plane and flipped out. She was charged with being a terrorist. The charges were dropped but going down the whole path we were, maybe the day comes where it's common for people to be removed from their given protections under the constitution. This guy isn't going to get off.
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whens his trial date?
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I think it's more to do with moving away from this slippery slope we were sliding into in several areas. with Americans being declared terrorists and enemy combatants and removed from constitutional protection. The terrorist charge gets leveled so easy. I just watched a show where some lady got drunk on a plane and flipped out. She was charged with being a terrorist. The charges were dropped but going down the whole path we were, maybe the day comes where it's common for people to be removed from their given protections under the constitution. This guy isn't going to get off.
Best post of the whole thread!
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I know that....and I understand what Barry is trying to do...however this guy does'nt fall under our domestic laws. He's an enemy combatant...which is a Bushism....they used to be called spies/saboteurs. This guy launched his attack outside the states etc so that doesn't really fit. I don't a ready made solution, other then to say this guy should not be subject to our laws and protections. I will go out ona limb and say that the case u sight will happen again and has happened before and cooler heads have and will prevail.