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If you can't beat them, censor them. ::)
Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
Friday, February 6, 2009 10:36 AM
By: Jim Meyers
Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow says she wants hearings on “accountability” in radio, suggesting Democrats are eying a return of the Fairness Doctrine.
During an interview with Stabenow, syndicated radio host Bill Press said conservatives should not be the only voices heard on talk radio and asked the Michigan lawmaker: “So, is it time to bring back the Fairness Doctrine?”
Stabenow responded: “I think it’s absolutely time to pass a standard. Now, whether it’s called the Fairness Standard, whether it’s called something else — I absolutely think it’s time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves.
“Our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place.”
Press — former chairman of the California Democratic Party — asked: “Can we count on you to push for some hearings in the Senate this year, to bring these owners in and hold them accountable?”
Stabenow said: “I have already had some discussions with colleagues and, you know, I feel like that’s going to happen.”
Originally instituted in 1949 by the FCC, the Fairness Doctrine required broadcasters using the public airwaves to give equal time to opposing political views. The FCC repealed the measure in 1987.
Since talk radio is overwhelmingly dominated by conservative hosts, and liberal talk radio draws few listeners, the “equal time” provision would likely force many radio stations to pull popular conservative hosts from the air rather than air low-rated liberal hosts.
Michael Calderone of Politico.com, commenting on Stabenow’s remarks, wrote: “Although Obama has been publicly opposed to reinstating the Fairness Doctrine, conservative radio has talked nonstop about the fear of it returning (or perhaps something like it with another name) while there’s a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic majority in Congress.”
Bill Press wrote on his Web site: “I’m not a big fan of bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. But if station owners won’t act on their own to offer a mix of voices on the radio, this Congress and this new administration will find a way to force them to do so. And the sooner, the better.”
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/fairness_doctrine_radio/2009/02/06/179067.html
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Incredible!!The reason that there is conservative talk radio is because it gets ratings and generates revenues.Liberal crap GETS NO RATINGS.All one need to do is look at Olberman.A total absolute failure.Look at AIR AMERICA.a TOTAL FAILURE.no one wants to hear liberal talk!!!THE PEOPLE THAT LISTEN TO THE RADIO HAVE JOBS.THEY LISTEN ON THEIR WAY TO AND FROM WORK OR AT WORK.lIBERAL CONSTIUANTS DONT HAVE JOBS,THEREFORE NO ONE LISTENS.
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Incredible!!The reason that there is conservative talk radio is because it gets ratings and generates revenues.Liberal crap GETS NO RATINGS.All one need to do is look at Olberman.A total absolute failure.Look at AIR AMERICA.a TOTAL FAILURE.no one wants to hear liberal talk!!!THE PEOPLE THAT LISTEN TO THE RADIO HAVE JOBS.THEY LISTEN ON THEIR WAY TO AND FROM WORK OR AT WORK.lIBERAL CONSTIUANTS DONT HAVE JOBS,THEREFORE NO ONE LISTENS.
From my cold dead ears!!!!!!!!!
BTW
WHY DOES LIBERAL TALK RADIO FAIL EVERY TIME?????
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Really? They're beginning to sound and act more and more like Hugo Chavez...the dictator of Venezuela, not the mod here.
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Ditto what's been said already... what kind of arrogant mental nutjob purports to tell the people what it is they want to listen to? What utter bullshit. Liberal talk radio has been an abysmal failure. That's just the historical reality.
Let's suppose Sen. Stabenow gets her way and conservative talk show hosts get pulled from stations and/or replaced with more liberal hosts... guess what? Nobody will listen to them and everybody loses--the radio stations and the listeners.
Bill Press wants "a mix of voices on the radio"? Whatever! People are going to listen to what they want to listen to. If they don't like it, they won't listen. What's next--are they going to require stations to play a mix of music too? A rock song followed by a rap tune followed by a country tune followed by some polka music followed by Beethoven's 5th? I mean really, WTF.
Bad idea.
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Sounds like double speak:
1. He's publicly opposed to re-instating the Farness doctrine
2. “Our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place.”
I think you conservatives are starting to acts like many libs did 2 years ago.
Who gives a shit about what some Dem senator or congressmen says. BFD. No need to get you panties in bundle until till there's a actual move.
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Sounds like double speak:
1. He's publicly opposed to re-instating the Farness doctrine
2. “Our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place.”
I think you conservatives are starting to acts like many libs did 2 years ago.
Who gives a shit about what some Dem senator or congressmen says. BFD. No need to get you panties in bundle until till there's a actual move.
When a democrat talks about it will be attempted.Watch and see that half wit John Conyers try and push through reperations for blacks.I pray he does and it passes.You will finally see whites say "enough" and take to the streets with guns.
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When a democrat talks about it will be attempted.Watch and see that half wit John Conyers try and push through reperations for blacks.I pray he does and it passes.You will finally see whites say "enough" and take to the streets with guns.
You won't see any of that happen.
alarmist thinking.
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When a democrat talks about it will be attempted.Watch and see that half wit John Conyers try and push through reperations for blacks.I pray he does and it passes.You will finally see whites say "enough" and take to the streets with guns.
Oh boy.
I will say, Obama and Pelosi at a minimum are going to cause civil unrest if they keep it up.
They are a complete disaster. Bush screwed up, but these two take incompetent to a whole new level.
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You won't see any of that happen.
alarmist thinking.
Want to bet?I bet that the fairness doctrine will be passed by the end of the summer.
I also bet that John Conyers starte his reperations talk in about 4 or 5 months.He has been talking about it for years,now they own the house.
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You won't see any of that happen.
alarmist thinking.
Obama is letting Pelosi run the show. She is capable of anything.
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Obama is letting Pelosi run the show. She is capable of anything.
No, while Pelosi is a rotten piece of work, she is not running the show, she is running her mouth because the president belongs to the same political party as she does and can't exactly tell the woman to shut her pie hole that same way a republican president could.
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No, while Pelosi is a rotten piece of work, she is not running the show, she is running her mouth because the president belongs to the same political party as she does and can't exactly tell the woman to shut her pie hole that same way a republican president could.
She wrote the pork bill and ZERO is left to defend it.
He should NEVER have let her write that bill in the first place.
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No, while Pelosi is a rotten piece of work, she is not running the show, she is running her mouth because the president belongs to the same political party as she does and can't exactly tell the woman to shut her pie hole that same way a republican president could.
She wrote that assanine stimulous package that silly ass Obama pimped last night.He takes orders from her and Reid.They say "jump" he says "HOW HIGH MASTER JONES".
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She wrote that assanine stimulous package that silly ass Obama pimped last night.He takes orders from her and Reid.They say "jump" he says "HOW HIGH MASTER JONES".
Ha ha. Read my post. We said the same thing.
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She wrote that assanine stimulous package that silly ass Obama pimped last night.He takes orders from her and Reid.They say "jump" he says "HOW HIGH MASTER JONES".
This whole bail crap and stimulus packages are not cool. I heard on the radio this morning that in the rush to "bail out" AIG, the bush admin spent 40 billion on AIG assests that turned out to be only worth 15 billion.
I fear similar things are a foot in this administration.
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This whole bail crap and stimulus packages are not cool. I heard on the radio this morning that in the rush to "bail out" AIG, the bush admin spent 40 billion on AIG assests that turned out to be only worth 15 billion.
I fear similar things are a foot in this administration.
Look I was not for TARP during GWB and see that Obama is doing the same thing as GWB did:
"FEAR"
"PANIC"
"WORLD IS COMING TO AN END"
I dont fear poverty. I fear tyranny and slavery.
Of course this money will all be wasted.
This is like spending $4,000 on a bottle of wine on your credit card. Sure you get a good and quick buzxz, but you are stuck with the bill LONG AFTER THE BUZZ WEARS OFF!
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Let the Nazis spew their propaganda. That's not the problem, stupid people are the problem. We just need to get our education system up to par and stop turning out idiots who fall for shitfilled propaganda.
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Yep, Bush et al were wrong about the TARP stimulus and Pelosi/Obama et al are wrong about this spendapoluza.
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From my cold dead ears!!!!!!!!!
BTW
WHY DOES LIBERAL TALK RADIO FAIL EVERY TIME?????
It's not failing, it's doing pretty good for having zero ground in the market 8 years ago. Keep in mind that liberals will also tune into nazi radio to hear what you guys are saying but conservatives proudly refuse and plug their ears to anything left on the dial.
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Yep, Bush et al were wrong about the TARP stimulus and Pelosi/Obama et al are wrong about this spendapoluza.
Why is this a Bush bill.Bush signed it but Pelosi rammed it through.Dont you remember her jackass speech and that the republicans didnt vote for it at first.It wasnt a Bush bill,it was a Pelosi Bush bill.
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It's not failing, it's doing pretty good for having zero ground in the market 8 years ago. Keep in mind that liberals will also tune into nazi radio to hear what you guys are saying but conservatives proudly refuse and plug their ears to anything left on the dial.
Air America went bankrupt untill Soros stepped in.Olbermans ratings are a laughingstock.Rush gets more listeners in a half an hour then Olberman will get in 6 months combined.
By the way,conservatives arent Nazis.I know you communist liberals love to throw out names,but I dont know many conservatives calling for the extermination of Jews.Now,I will admit that Im more on the Nazi side of things and actually support much of what the president of Iran wants in terms of Isreal,but the others here and the guys who listen to talk radio think much differently then me.
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It's not failing, it's doing pretty good for having zero ground in the market 8 years ago. Keep in mind that liberals will also tune into nazi radio to hear what you guys are saying but conservatives proudly refuse and plug their ears to anything left on the dial.
The only NAZI's I see are the ones on the left looking to merge government and big business through nationalization.
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Air America went bankrupt untill Soros stepped in.Olbermans ratings are a laughingstock.Rush gets more listeners in a half an hour then Olberman will get in 6 months combined.
By the way,conservatives arent Nazis.I know you communist liberals love to throw out names,but I dont know many conservatives calling for the extermination of Jews.Now,I will admit that Im more on the Nazi side of things and actually support much of what the president of Iran wants in terms of Isreal,but the others here and the guys who listen to talk radio think much differently then me.
You clearly know a lot about this, Olbermann isn't even on the radio. Rush does not get more listeners than Olbermann gets viewers in that time. haha. Yes I know about air america but as I said, considering they came from having zero space in the market 8 years ago if you look at the space programs like Ed Schultz and many others have now, it's hardly what I would lable a failure. That's a lot of ground gained in the radio market in that timeframe. Pointing out that there were problems when they started from nothing is like mocking a baby for falling when they start to walk.
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The only NAZI's I see are the ones on the left looking to merge government and big business through nationalization.
hahahaha... If you're worried about the merging of government and big business, you are seriously one clueless mofo blaming all that on the left. You have some serious learning to do youngone.
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You clearly know a lot about this, Olbermann isn't even on the radio. Rush does not get more listeners than Olbermann gets viewers in that time. haha. Yes I know about air america but as I said, considering they came from having zero space in the market 8 years ago if you look at the space programs like Ed Schultz and many others have now, it's hardly what I would lable a failure. That's a lot of ground gained in the radio market in that timeframe. Pointing out that there were problems when they started from nothing is like mocking a baby for falling when they start to walk.
Really?FOX news came in and was a GIANT right from the start.They were battling YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of left wing crap.It didnt take them long to completely dominate the ratings.
Ed Shultz gets destroyed in the ratings when up against a concervative.In most markets he is up against Mark Levin,he gets fucking smoked.
Olberman has been on the radio,but I was comparing his viewrship to Rushs listening audiance.Would you not agree that for the most part more people watch tv then listen to talk radio?But,ok,compare his ratings to Orelly.He gets killed EVERY freaking night.
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Really?FOX news came in and was a GIANT right from the start.They were battling YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of left wing crap.It didnt take them long to completely dominate the ratings.
Ed Shultz gets destroyed in the ratings when up against a concervative.In most markets he is up against Mark Levin,he gets fucking smoked.
Olberman has been on the radio,but I was comparing his viewrship to Rushs listening audiance.Would you not agree that for the most part more people watch tv then listen to talk radio?But,ok,compare his ratings to Orelly.He gets killed EVERY freaking night.
You didn't even read my post did you? What did Fox have backing it from the start? unlimited money flow sure doesn't hurt so it's not relevant. I also don't buy the liberal media conspiracy so that doesn't help the argument in my book. The perspective I posted is valid. Where the left is today on the radio having just started not long ago isn't what I would call a failure. That's all I said. Who beats who was never part of what I said.
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Look I was not for TARP during GWB and see that Obama is doing the same thing as GWB did:
"FEAR"
"PANIC"
"WORLD IS COMING TO AN END"
I dont fear poverty. I fear tyranny and slavery.
Of course this money will all be wasted.
This is like spending $4,000 on a bottle of wine on your credit card. Sure you get a good and quick buzxz, but you are stuck with the bill LONG AFTER THE BUZZ WEARS OFF!
Agreed.
the politics of fear work in war and the economy
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From my cold dead ears!!!!!!!!!
BTW
WHY DOES LIBERAL TALK RADIO FAIL EVERY TIME?????
There are many sheep, but only Few Shepherd's :-\
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There are many sheep, but only Few Shepherd's :-\
Liberal talk radio is boring as heck.
The only liberal radio host I like is the black guy from CNN, I cant remember his name it is Earl something or other. He is on with Lou Dobbs all the time.
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Liberal talk radio is boring as heck.
The only liberal radio host I like is the black guy from CNN, I cant remember his name it is Earl something or other. He is on with Lou Dobbs all the time.
Thom Hartmann is fun and I know a few righties that like him too. His knowledge of American History is unmatched among radio talkshow hosts. A lot of libertarians seem to like him. He's always pretty nice to guys like Ron Paul.
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You didn't even read my post did you? What did Fox have backing it from the start? unlimited money flow sure doesn't hurt so it's not relevant. I also don't buy the liberal media conspiracy so that doesn't help the argument in my book. The perspective I posted is valid. Where the left is today on the radio having just started not long ago isn't what I would call a failure. That's all I said. Who beats who was never part of what I said.
Really??? You think Fox's money is the reason for their ratings? ???
Bottom line... money or no money, you gotta give the people what they want. If the people don't like they won't watch and/or listen. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
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Really??? You think Fox's money is the reason for their ratings? ???
Bottom line... money or no money, you gotta give the people what they want. If the people don't like they won't watch and/or listen. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
that wasn't the question/point. He used fox as an example of instant success in a hostile environment. That being used to say why liberal talk shows have no excuse not to succeed right off the bat.
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The only NAZI's I see are the ones on the left looking to merge government and big business through nationalization.
Ah yes...someone who gets national socialism. The problem with the Libs is they practice limp wristed nazism...spend and capitulate.
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Seems like a violation of the First Amendment but that won't stop them from passing it.
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Ah yes...someone who gets national socialism. The problem with the Libs is they practice limp wristed nazism...spend and capitulate.
You just described the 8 yrs of Bush. From a budget surplus to trillions in debt and climbing. Seems like "Trickle down" meant trickle to an "oversea account" and F#ck you America.........
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Seems like a violation of the First Amendment but that won't stop them from passing it.
I'm on the fence with this but how would the fairness doc violate the first amendment? In what regard? This might help me side one way or the other.
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I'm on the fence with this but how would the fairness doc violate the first amendment? In what regard? This might help me side one way or the other.
Hahahaha. Your reeling him in.... ;D
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WHY DOES LIBERAL TALK RADIO FAIL EVERY TIME?????
Probably because unlike Repubs, most libs can read and therefore get their info from other media sources as opposed to turning in so they can receive their daily marching orders via the radio.
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Probably because unlike Repubs, most libs can read and therefore get their info from other media sources as opposed to turning in so they can receive their daily marching orders via the radio.
Absolute garbage. By all measures listeners to talk radio are FAR more informed than other voters.
Most liberals like yourself usually listen to FM as it is. This has been done over and over again.
Did you see the video: "How Obama got elected"
Liberal talk radio fails because people know garbage when they hear it and turn the channel.
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Talk radio is a free market enterprise...whatever gets ratings and money should stay on. If the liberals dominated talk radio because of market forces then so be it...I just wouldn't listen (unless they were very moderate).
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Funny how the other media and hollywood is dominated by liberals and not cons. But talk radio is?
There's your answer.
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Funny how the other media and hollywood is dominated by liberals and not cons. But talk radio is?
There's your answer.
Yeah, trash, semi-porn, celebrity worship, American Idol, MTV, - just what the liberals are all about.
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And just HOW is right wing talk radio going to survive when the riots hit and all electricity is gone?
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Repost on why liberal talk radio fails.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/30/liberal_talk_radio_no_one_will_buy_it/
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Repost on why liberal talk radio fails.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/30/liberal_talk_radio_no_one_will_buy_it/
Very true. Liberal talk radio is horribly boring and illogical.
The only liberal radio host I like is in NYC. His name is Errol something or other. He is on with Lou Dobbs alot.
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Funny how the other media and hollywood is dominated by liberals and not cons. But talk radio is?
There's your answer.
Yeah Hollywood is dominated by libs... BUT they're playing characters and don't tend to openly spew their personally held liberal viewpoints. And many of those characters are conservative even if the actors playing them are not. Oh, like, just off the top of my head, Denny Crane in Boston Legal, for example.
Whereas talk radio isn't acting, it's reality.
See the difference? Hope that helps.
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Yeah. Rush = reality. ::)
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Yeah Hollywood is dominated by libs... BUT they're playing characters and don't tend to openly spew their personally held liberal viewpoints. And many of those characters are conservative even if the actors playing them are not. Oh, like, just off the top of my head, Denny Crane in Boston Legal, for example.
Whereas talk radio isn't acting, it's reality.
See the difference? Hope that helps.
Savage has more talent on one hand than all those lib actors combined.
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that wasn't the question/point. He used fox as an example of instant success in a hostile environment. That being used to say why liberal talk shows have no excuse not to succeed right off the bat.
No one impiled they should rival FOX but dont you think they should be good enough to avoid going bankrupt?Air America has had more bailouts the AIG.
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Yeah. Rush = reality. ::)
Sure it's entertainment and there's a level of showmanship going on like anything else, but you know Rush isn't just playing a role--the opinions expressed are his own and he's not just pulling them out of his ass.
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Sure it's entertainment and there's a level of showmanship going on like anything else, but you know Rush isn't just playing a role--the opinions expressed are his own and he's not just pulling them out of his ass.
Rush is boring to me and a GOP shill.
I personally like Savage, Sliwa, Beck, and Gambling.
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Rush is boring to me and a GOP shill.
I personally like Savage, Sliwa, Beck, and Gambling.
I don't even know Sliwa and Gambling. And I'm not sure Savage is even on out here where I'm at anymore... but I used to really enjoy listening to him. And I do agree with you, he's got more talent in his little finger than a lot of the Hollywood elite.
And I do really like Glenn Beck too, although quite honestly... lately I've opted for the classic rock station during my drive home because Glenn's been sounding pretty doom-and-gloom. I know he's right on the money, but I can only take so much of it lately.
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I don't even know Sliwa and Gambling. And I'm not sure Savage is even on out here where I'm at anymore... but I used to really enjoy listening to him. And I do agree with you, he's got more talent in his little finger than a lot of the Hollywood elite.
And I do really like Glenn Beck too, although quite honestly... lately I've opted for the classic rock station during my drive home because Glenn's been sounding pretty doom-and-gloom. I know he's right on the money, but I can only take so much of it lately.
go on Itunes. Savage has a free podcast.
Sliwa and Gambling are NYC radio hosts.
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wow... so many people here couldn't stop sucking neocock for the last 8 years, as dubya used trillions to fund wars and feed banks, lying to us all the time.
suddenly obama wants to give some $ - not to corps or war, but to create 3 million US jobs - and you're crying for a revolution.
Please, seriously, shut the fvck up.
1) You're talking out of your ass. Pelosi, reid, and anyone else can do what they want, and you will not do shit. I repeat. You won't do shit but complain about it.
2) It's all partisan for you. If Bush was writing this bill (which he essentially did, with the bank bailout, except for no jobs came of that trillion), you'd shrug it off. Obama does it, and suddenly the sky is falling.
Shut up. That's all. STFU. One in ten (or more) people are out of work in some parts of the country. Obama's proposing a bill that will create jobs - and create them in alternatives to oil - at the same time.
Seriously, we always joked that when obama won, the CTers would be wearing republican nametags, and sure enough, they are.
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Please, knee pad boy.
Obama's sham plan only grows government jobs, not private sector jobs. Your sorry ass buys into this nonsense and anyone with a brain knows this wont work.
This disaster just props up states' welfare and education spending a little while longer before the total collapse happens.
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"obama wants to give some $"
I love how you make it seem like its no big deal. Dude, this stimulus will cost us more than the whole war in Iraq. You keep looking backward. Bush wasted our $ in Iraq and Obama & Pelosi are wasting our tax dollars with this stimulus as well. Both are wrong. Move forward...you sound like a lib comparing everything to Bush.
Did you know that we still have 350billion from the TARP fund that Obama will spend and he is planning on asking for more $ now? WTF?!?! So, thats 1.6 trillion dollars on bailouts/spending + whatever additional funds obama will ask for for a further banking bailout. People are ignoring the immense nature of this spending.
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wow... so many people here couldn't stop sucking neocock for the last 8 years, as dubya used trillions to fund wars and feed banks, lying to us all the time.
suddenly obama wants to give some $ - not to corps or war, but to create 3 million US jobs - and you're crying for a revolution.
Please, seriously, shut the fvck up.
1) You're talking out of your ass. Pelosi, reid, and anyone else can do what they want, and you will not do shit. I repeat. You won't do shit but complain about it.
2) It's all partisan for you. If Bush was writing this bill (which he essentially did, with the bank bailout, except for no jobs came of that trillion), you'd shrug it off. Obama does it, and suddenly the sky is falling.
Shut up. That's all. STFU. One in ten (or more) people are out of work in some parts of the country. Obama's proposing a bill that will create jobs - and create them in alternatives to oil - at the same time.
Seriously, we always joked that when obama won, the CTers would be wearing republican nametags, and sure enough, they are.
Umm are you sure you're posting in the right thread? What does your post have to do with the topic being discussed?
And if we had a show of hands of who approved of Bush's actions of late, I don't think you'd see very many hands.
So your post kinda just reads like a lot of pointless babbling. Sorry.
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Stupid proposal.
What we NEED on radio is more Common Sense talk.
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Stupid proposal.
What we NEED on radio is more Common Sense talk.
We have plenty of it. Savage, Lou Dobbs, Rush, Levin, Gambling, Sliwa, Glen Beck, Imus,
There are plenty of stations that focus on cooking, cleaning, travel, sports, health, etc.
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sorry, it pertained to a post on the first thread. then i saw it derailed into this.
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Dems target right-wing talk radio
Posted: 11:08 AM ET
From CNN Radio's Dick Uliano
WASHINGTON (CNN) — More and more Democrats in Congress are calling for action that Republicans warn could muzzle right-wing talk radio.
Representative Maurice Hinchey, a Democrat from New York is the latest to say he wants to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine," a federal regulation scrapped in 1987 that would require broadcasters to present opposing views on public issues.
"I think the Fairness Doctrine should be reinstated," Hinchey told CNNRadio. Hinchey says he could make it part of a bill he plans to introduce later this year overhauling radio and t-v ownership laws.
Democratic Senators Debbie Stabenow of Michigan and Tom Harkin of Iowa added their voices recently to those calling for a return of the regulation.
Republicans oppose the Fairness Doctrine, arguing it would be wrong for the federal government to monitor political speech on the airwaves, in order to require opposing views.
Republican Congressman Greg Walden, a former owner of five radio stations in Oregon including a "classic rock" station joked that the Fairness Doctrine is "the musical equivalent" of "every time we'd play a classic rock song we'd have to play a polka!"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/13/dems-target-right-wing-talk-radio/#more-39916
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2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothnig the way these communists are going.
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Greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression and they're focusing on talk radio.
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Greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression and they're focusing on talk radio.
Give em some time and they focus on abortion again. Or steroids.
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wow... so many people here couldn't stop sucking neocock for the last 8 years, as dubya used trillions to fund wars and feed banks, lying to us all the time.
suddenly obama wants to give some $ - not to corps or war, but to create 3 million US jobs - and you're crying for a revolution.
Please, seriously, shut the fvck up.
1) You're talking out of your ass. Pelosi, reid, and anyone else can do what they want, and you will not do shit. I repeat. You won't do shit but complain about it.
2) It's all partisan for you. If Bush was writing this bill (which he essentially did, with the bank bailout, except for no jobs came of that trillion), you'd shrug it off. Obama does it, and suddenly the sky is falling.
Shut up. That's all. STFU. One in ten (or more) people are out of work in some parts of the country. Obama's proposing a bill that will create jobs - and create them in alternatives to oil - at the same time.
Seriously, we always joked that when obama won, the CTers would be wearing republican nametags, and sure enough, they are.
3 million jobs?YOU SHUT THE F%%K UP.It will not create 10,000 jobs.Its a joke and a sham intended to expand government power.
The only thing we can do is buy our guns,buy our amo,and get ready for the government to try and take them away.Eventually people will get pissed off their money is being directed to scum bags and lazy unproductive pieces of crap and they will revolt.
Did you see those two f'n idiots question Obama the other day.We should pay for that old bags house and that fools benefits.Typical of Obama lazy ass good for nothing supporters.GIVE ME ,GIVE ME,GIVE ME.Hey,scum bags WORK FOR IT!!!!
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Hopefully someday the majority radio stations will be owned by a handful of liberal leaning corporations and then they can play the same game that is currently happening in the DC marke and across the country.
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Another Right-Wing Conspiracy in Washington?
By Bill Press
Sunday, February 8, 2009; B08
If you're looking for a break from those conservative voices that dominate talk radio, take time out today to listen to local station OBAMA 1260 AM. You'll hear the progressive voices of Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz, Lionel -- or, during morning drive, my own "Bill Press Show" -- providing welcome relief from the constant Obama-bashing by Rush Limbaugh and others. Unfortunately, today's the last day you'll be able to do so.
As reported by The Post [Style, Feb. 2], Dan Snyder's Red Zebra Broadcasting Co., owner of OBAMA 1260, has announced plans to jettison all progressive talk and replace it with pre-recorded financial advice programming.
The commercial use of public airwaves is supposed to reflect the diversity of the local community, but that's not how it works in Washington. On the AM dial, WMAL (630) features wall-to-wall conservative talk. So do stations WTNT (570) and WHFS (1580). For the past two years, OBAMA 1260 -- even with a weak signal that cannot be heard in downtown Washington -- was the exception. No longer. Starting tomorrow, our nation's capital, where Democrats control the House, the Senate and the White House, and where Democrats outnumber Republicans 10 to one, will have no progressive voices on the air.
Or maybe one.
To mollify critics, Red Zebra has said it will add Ed Schultz to its conservative lineup on 570 AM. This means Shultz will be outgunned in this market by at least 15 conservative talkers: Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin, Chris Plante, Michael Smerconish, Michael Savage, Andy Parks, Fred Grandy, Bill Bennett, Monica Crowley, Bill O'Reilly, Dennis Miller and Lars Larsen. No matter how good Schultz is, that's not a fair contest -- nor a fair use of the public airwaves.
Unfortunately, what's happening in Washington reflects what has happened in one city after another across the country. In Miami, Clear Channel recently dumped progressive talk for sports: Clear Channel stations made the same move in San Diego and Cincinnati. Sacramento abandoned progressive talk for gospel music. In fact, according to a study released by the Center for American Progress and Free Press, there are nine hours of conservative talk for every one hour of progressive talk.
Why? Station owners complain they can't get good ratings or make any money with progressive talk, but that's nonsense. In Minnesota, independent owner Janet Robert has operated KTNF (950 AM) profitably for five years. In Madison, Wis., WXXM, 92.1 FM, just scored its highest ratings ever. And KPOJ in Portland, Ore., soared with progressive talk from No. 23 in market ratings to No. 1. Nationwide, progressive talkers Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller have proven that, given a level playing field, they can more than hold their own in ratings -- and make money for their stations.
In fact, the only reason there's not more competition on American airwaves is that the handful of companies that own most radio stations do everything they can to block it. In many markets -- witness Philadelphia, Boston, Providence and Houston -- they join in providing no outlet for progressive talk. In others, as in Washington, they limit it to a weak signal, spend zero dollars on promotion and soon pull the plug.
Companies are given a license to operate public airwaves -- free! -- in order to make a profit, yes, but also, according to the terms of their FCC license, "to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of issues of public importance." Stations are not operating in the public interest when they offer only conservative talk.
For years, the Fairness Doctrine prevented such abuse by requiring licensed stations to carry a mix of opinion. However, under pressure from conservatives, President Ronald Reagan's Federal Communications Commission canceled the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, insisting that in a free market, stations would automatically offer a balance in programming.
That experiment has failed. There is no free market in talk radio today, only an exclusive, tightly held, conservative media conspiracy. The few holders of broadcast licenses have made it clear they will not, on their own, serve the general public.. Maybe it's time to bring back the Fairness Doctrine -- and bring competition back to talk radio in Washington and elsewhere.
-- Bill Press
Washington
The writer, host of "The Bill Press Show," is working on a book about talk radio.
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It will go bankrupt like every other time liberal talk radio is tried. Liberal talk radio is a failure EVERY time is has been tried.
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3 million jobs?YOU SHUT THE F%%K UP.It will not create 10,000 jobs.Its a joke and a sham intended to expand government power.
The only thing we can do is buy our guns,buy our amo,and get ready for the government to try and take them away.Eventually people will get pissed off their money is being directed to scum bags and lazy unproductive pieces of crap and they will revolt.
Did you see those two f'n idiots question Obama the other day.We should pay for that old bags house and that fools benefits.Typical of Obama lazy ass good for nothing supporters.GIVE ME ,GIVE ME,GIVE ME.Hey,scum bags WORK FOR IT!!!!
So no professionals or hard working people voted for Obama?
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So no professionals or hard working people voted for Obama?
No,they voted AGAINST BUSH!!!!Again,check out his followers everytime they speak.You can sum up their entire thinking in one word "gimme".
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WHY (according to Press's article) do big-market radio stations "do everything they can to block" what he refers to as "progressive talk"?
AGAIN, because his so-called "progressive talk" goes over with the American public like a lead balloon. It turns people off. It's horseshit. And the radio stations, to their credit, have the good sense not to air it because it sure as hell won't pull in ratings.
If (as Straw Man suggested) someday the radio stations are "owned by a handful of liberal leaning corporations" and they attempt to air that crap, guess what will happen? People will tune it out. They just won't listen. That's what has always happened and that's what always will happen.
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Liberal talk radio is unlistenable because, . . . . . .. radio requires listening and thinking. Those two things and liberal talk radio dont mix.
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Liberal talk radio is unlistenable because, . . . . . .. radio requires listening and thinking. Those two things and liberal talk radio dont mix.
Seriously... that Bill Press bozo is kidding himself if he thinks otherwise.
"Progressive Talk" would do well in very small markets in very limited areas. Parts of San Fran, parts of Boulder, CO, I'm sure there are other small pockets of "progressives" (i.e. bleeding-heart libs) in other major metropolitan areas that would be interested in it. But the mainstream public (especially the talk radio-listening public) can't and won't stomach it.
The people that the flaming lib ideology really appeals to, as a general rule AREN'T the ones listening to talk radio. They're listening to hip-hop music stations and/or college stations that play that faggy bohemian cafe music crap and stuff like that. Just sayin!
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WHY (according to Press's article) do big-market radio stations "do everything they can to block" what he refers to as "progressive talk"?
AGAIN, because his so-called "progressive talk" goes over with the American public like a lead balloon. It turns people off. It's horseshit. And the radio stations, to their credit, have the good sense not to air it because it sure as hell won't pull in ratings.
If (as Straw Man suggested) someday the radio stations are "owned by a handful of liberal leaning corporations" and they attempt to air that crap, guess what will happen? People will tune it out. They just won't listen. That's what has always happened and that's what always will happen.
how did you read the article and yet completely miss the point?
The point is that the a handful of conservative corporations own the majority of the stations and don't make an equivalent effort with the progressive shows. When a station gives the progressive shows the same level of marketing dollars, and strength of signal they do just fine.
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When a station gives the progressive shows the same level of marketing dollars, and strength of signal they do just fine.
LOL. And then you woke up. 8)
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LOL. And then you woke up. 8)
I listen to one everyday when I drive to work
Funny and entertaining and honest: http://www.stephaniemiller.com/
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I listen to one everyday when I drive to work
Funny and entertaining and honest: http://www.stephaniemiller.com/
So then why do you need the Fairness Doctrine??????
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So then why do you need the Fairness Doctrine??????
I don't know if we need it or not but the airwaves belong to the public yet are controlled by a handful of media companies that lean significantly toward the right. There's estimated to be a 9 to 1 ratio of conservative vs. progressives and there should be something closer to parity. If you had someone like George Soros and few other people who owned all the stations and only made a token effort to have contrary points of view you would (hopefully) feel the same way.
Personally, I can't stand all the hate and stupidity from the far right wing shows and I don't like some of the crap I hear on left wing shows. I listen to shows that I find informative and entertaining. So far I haven't found one show on the the right side of the spectrum that I can tolerate. Even Dennis Miller is boring now that he's a conservative talk show host.
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So let me get this straight. The liberals have a majority in Washington, the public schools, the media in both tv and print, and Hollywood. The only foothold conservatives have is on the radio and the liberals want to silence conservative talk radio to make it "fair"?
At the end of the day, radio stations are selling a product and they know that liberal talk radio is a product that no one will buy. The Fairness Doctrine would force radio station owners to sell a product. How is it "fair" for government to tell someone what product they can and cannot sell?
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good assessment marcus. its like they want to silence all opposition now they are in power. this big government shit scares me.
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good assessment marcus. its like they want to silence all opposition now they are in power. this big government shit scares me.
And I learned it all last night on conservative talk radio!
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Look - if it were reversed and Libs outnumbered Conservatives 9 to 1 and most conservatives talkers got a weak signal that no one could hear you'd have the exact same result.
Progressive shows do just fine when they are given the same exposure as conservatives and it's the public airwaves that we're talking about here and one political party should not control the message. Given a level playing field no one would be required to subsidize a unprofitable program.
The Big Govt. Boogie Man breaks up monoplies for the very same reason - fairness to the citizen and the consumer.
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So let me get this straight. The liberals have a majority in Washington, the public schools, the media in both tv and print, and Hollywood. The only foothold conservatives have is on the radio and the liberals want to silence conservative talk radio to make it "fair"?
At the end of the day, radio stations are selling a product and they know that liberal talk radio is a product that no one will buy. The Fairness Doctrine would force radio station owners to sell a product. How is it "fair" for government to tell someone what product they can and cannot sell?
feel free to show even a scrap of proof to support your claim that liberals have a majority in media
No one is talking about silencing or censoring anyone (at least I'm not).
All they are talking about is a balance of views which is what both sides should want.
I would not want only liberal or a overwhelming majority of liberal views and only a shred of an opposing view
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feel free to show even a scrap of proof to support your claim that liberals have a majority in media
No one is talking about silencing or censoring anyone (at least I'm not).
All they are talking about is a balance of views which is what both sides should want.
I would not want only liberal or a overwhelming majority of liberal views and only a shred of an opposing view
Balance of views? If conservatives want to have an only-conservative talk show what's wrong with that? Free speech should allow that. Also, if liberals want balanced views why don't they lead by example and have a conservative host sitting along with their liberal hosts? Hey it might even boost their ratings.
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Balance of views? If conservatives want to have an only-conservative talk show what's wrong with that? Free speech should allow that. Also, if liberals want balanced views why don't they lead by example and have a conservative host sitting along with their liberal hosts? Hey it might even boost their ratings.
from the article I posted:
Companies are given a license to operate public airwaves -- free! -- in order to make a profit, yes, but also, according to the terms of their FCC license, "to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of issues of public importance."
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OK- hows this sound? Liberals can have half the radio airwaves and conservatives can have half of the countries Universities, cable news stations, network news stations and oh i dont know, newspapers. The difference between those mediums being liberal controlled and radio being unable to sustain any viable liberal talk show, is that at the end of the day its a capitalist AMERICAN instiution the public decides to either embrace or ignore. You either choose to support conservative talk radio or you choose not to support it--> Survival of the fittest. Unfortunetly, the libs cant forcefeed talk radio down everyones throats, so of course talk radio is "DANGEROUS" and needs to be modified in some way.
Say, when the rednecks object to evolution being taught to their kids, can they invoke the fairness doctrine also? How about abortion counseling? The use of contrceptives? I entirely agree that the aforementioned things should be taught to kids (to a reasonable degree), and the right wing lunatics shouldnt be able to interject. However, to allow the fairness doctrine to be imposed is just as bad IMO
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The Fairness Doctrine could have been argued as a necessity in earlier years due primarily to the lack of media outlets. Back in the 60s and 70s we only had ABC, CBS, and NBC. Nowadays, with the advent of talk radio, internet, cable news, and satellite stations, there is more than a diverse amount of material to listen to that presents points and counterpoints on all topics.
In 1988, Rush Limbaugh pioneered conservative talk radio because popular media at the time was deemed to be too liberal....and conserva-talk took off and has never looked back since.
In addition, who or what agency exactly gets to determine what is considered a valid counterpoint or is even an issue of public importance? Are you telling me there's going to be some bureaucrat somewhere trying to determine what is liberal and what is conservative? Are you telling me that while listening to a Church service via my AM radio that equal time has to be accorded to a Muslim, or even a Buddhist? Are there only two views to important issues?
It's a cycle. Limbaugh and his pals are entertainers, using talk radio as an avenue to directly counter the major news networks and whatever they were saying. Along came Air America and Nova who in turn attempted to counter just about everything conserva-talk put out, and that ended up being far left even compared to the news networks.
Remember: these guys are ENTERTAINERS....not scientists, politicians, lawmakers, or policy makers. Most of them have little to no military service, despite all being ass kissers of anything military. Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Beck, Weiner(Savage), Cunningham, O'Reilly, Malloy, Miller, Schultz, and Hartmann while clever and relatively good on the stick, are not necessarily qualified to dictate policy. Any schmoe can observe things that don't make much sense. I've listened to them all, and my favorites are Savage and Malloy. Both are very intelligent, entertaining, and light sensitive asses on fire. But...Entertainment.
Will movies have a Fairness Doctrine implemented? If Al Gore's movie is to be shown, should not the BBC documentary be shown as well that debunks much of man-made global warming? The majority of movies and television shows have within them messages, subtle or not, that show a particular viewpoint that more often than not neglects any other viewpoint.
The bottom line is that Fairness Doctrine, or some sort of forced diversification of programming, sets a very negative precedent that some viewpoints and opinions are going to be suppressed.....and also sets up possible First Amendment conflicts. I think the Dems are just burned about their Amnesty plan going down in flames from an enraged populace who were informed by talk radio.
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yay liberal fascism! ::)