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His voice shaking at times, Alex Rodriguez met head-on allegations that he tested positive for steroids six years ago, telling ESPN on Monday that he did take performance-enhancing drugs while playing for the Texas Rangers during a three-year period beginning in 2001.
So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
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So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
Ron, my understanding is that the sample taken in 2003 was supposed to be a random anonymous test to determine if by percentage, there needed to be more scrutiny of players. Fine, if that's the case, but there is no way his name should have been released and not the other players. He's a twat, but it's not fair.
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would you ruin a 100 million plus salary individual that can bring in more customers??????
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So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
The tests were conducted by the PA to try and get a gauge on who was using and to see if they could get that number under or at 5%. 50% is low....I would say at least 75% during that time period.
I played a sport in the NCAA during college and more than half my team was on juice. Hell, half my highschool team was on at one point or another.
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Doesn't change the fact the he was using :)
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It's good to see the guy come clean Now he can post here and type his course just like IFBB Pro Steve Namat does.Look at the bright side, Chick says the Authorities DON'T give a Fuck about Illegal Drug use so A-Rod ain't got No Problems.
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It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
You mean like in the sport of Bodybuilding?! :-\
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i believe back when he was tested there was still no rule in the books about not taking gear. so eventhough i hate the guy, i have no real problem with it.
actually i'm susurprised this douchebag is man enough to own up to it. never thought he would.
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i believe back when he was tested there was still no rule in the books about not taking gear. so eventhough i hate the guy, i have no real problem with it.
actually i'm susurprised this douchebag is man enough to own up to it. never thought he would.
blinky, actually from what I've heard it was on the list of banned substances at the time, but they didn't actively test for it.
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Bud Selig needs to do the right thing and just resign...
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So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
If They've let Canseco hit 500 HR and retire none of this would have happened.
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Bud Selig needs to do the right thing and just resign...
Dito.
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He is def a douche but you have to give the guy credit for fessing up. Maybe Bonds should have grown some balls and done the same. I had a feeling A-Rod was juicing and now I can laugh at all my friends who are Yankees fans and swore ARod was clean.
Could you imagine of Jeter tested positive?
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Could you imagine of Jeter tested positive?
Stay tuned.
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He is still lying, he claims he didn't know what he was taking. I talked about GNC and supplements, etc. I'm saying he knew exactly what he was taking.
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Arod should have pulled a Rafael Palmerio and pointed to some reporter and shout, "i did not use steroids"
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I'm shocked..really I am?!?! ::) ::) ::)
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he used low dosages..lower than most fitness chicks on the site
He's considered natural by get big standards
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I give the guy credit,he manned up and admitted it. He went up a few notches in my book.
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If They've let Canseco hit 500 HR and retire none of this would have happened.
HUH?! ::)
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If They've let Canseco hit 500 HR and retire none of this would have happened.
BOOM. Good point
ACtually, I'm sure someone sooner or later would have wrote a tell all book. Don't forget, Caminiti said 80% were on roids before he OD'd
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This is bs the ONLY A-Rod I know Is Andy Roddick and he's all estrogen!!!!!!!
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it will be curious to see if his stats drop off this next season
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It's not cheating when EVERYONE is doing it. This is the simple fact the the general public needs to understand. There is performance enhancing drugs in ALL professional sports including the olympics. Are they being hypocritical to Arod? Absolutely.
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it will be curious to see if his stats drop off this next season
The 3 years he admitted to being on, he avg 52 hr's per season....the other 10 seasons (excluding first 2 in Seattle because they were short season) he averaged 39.2. Just the numbers as they are.
I think he will drop off next season due to being a basketcase.
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The 3 years he admitted to being on, he avg 52 hr's per season....the other 10 seasons (excluding first 2 in Seattle because they were short season) he averaged 39.2. Just the numbers as they are.
I think he will drop off next season due to being a basketcase.
so your saying kaballa is not working ???
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so your saying kaballa is not working ???
haha, he deserves everything happening to him just for dating that skankazoid.
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Who really gives a flying fuck? Moral Grandstanding on steroids is something that needs to leave right along with the Bush administration.
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it will be curious to see if his stats drop off this next season
If they drop, it'll be from injury related absense....the most common reason the ball players take AAS...people that believe taking gear automatically makes you a HR hitter are mistaken...
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If they drop, it'll be from injury related absense....the most common reason the ball players take AAS...people that believe taking gear automatically makes you a HR hitter are mistaken...
Please stop. I played college ball with a several guys who improved dramatically once they started taking juice. It helps with injury and recovery, but it also makes you stronger and more powerful. Power/explosion is a huge part of hitting and the drop in numbers across baseball has to do with guys coming of drugs. I can say for a fact that a teamate of mine went pro because of steroids.
It's not a miracle drug that will improve your hand-eye or your vision (you have to have that), but it will put you over the top if you are on the cusp and you need more power and explosion......more than you can generate lifting weights and doing it naturally. Marc Mcgwire is a good example of what steriods can do for a guy who has the tools, but needs that added edge. Look at at his numbers before juice and after. Saying that taking a drug that will increase your natty test level 500 - 1000% will not aid in anything more than recovery is horseshit.
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Please stop. I played college ball with a several guys who improved dramatically once they started taking juice. It helps with injury and recovery, but it also makes you stronger and more powerful. Power/explosion is a huge part of hitting and the drop in numbers across baseball has to do with guys coming of drugs. I can say for a fact that a teamate of mine went pro because of steroids.
It's not a miracle drug that will improve your hand-eye or your vision (you have to have that), but it will put you over the top if you are on the cusp and you need more power and explosion......more than you can generate lifting weights and doing it naturally. Marc Mcgwire is a good example of what steriods can do for a guy who has the tools, but needs that added edge. Look at at his numbers before juice and after.
good post body88. All true.
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Please stop. I played college ball with a several guys who improved dramatically once they started taking juice. It helps with injury and recovery, but it also makes you stronger and more powerful. Power/explosion is a huge part of hitting and the drop in numbers across baseball has to do with guys coming of drugs. I can say for a fact that a teamate of mine went pro because of steroids.
It's not a miracle drug that will improve your hand-eye or your vision (you have to have that), but it will put you over the top if you are on the cusp and you need more power and explosion......more than you can generate lifting weights and doing it naturally. Marc Mcgwire is a good example of what steriods can do for a guy who has the tools, but needs that added edge. Look at at his numbers before juice and after. Saying that taking a drug that will increase your natty test level 500 - 1000% will not aid in anything more than recovery is horseshit.
Thanks for saying exactly what I just said....
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Thanks for saying exactly what I just said....
Actually he just shot your argument to pieces.
Steroids DO improve your numbers. all things being equal if you can see the fastball coming but you can't get around on it.....you hit a soft ground ball to the shortstop.
Now you're on juice....same pitch is coming, you can see it just the same, but now you have the speed and power to get around on it and hit it 425 feet.
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Actually he just shot your argument to pieces.
Steroids DO improve your numbers. all things being equal if you can see the fastball coming but you can't get around on it.....you hit a soft ground ball to the shortstop.
Now you're on juice....same pitch is coming, you can see it just the same, but now you have the speed and power to get around on it and hit it 425 feet.
LOL...it's obvious you don't understand how anabolics work...if they are getting around faster or quicker, it's because they are injury free, or not as beat up as they would normally be due to the wear and tear of playing so frequently...
That said, merely taking steroids don't automatically make you bigger, faster or stronger....lifting weights would be the catalyst, which I doubt most of them do on any regular basis...
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The 3 years he admitted to being on, he avg 52 hr's per season....the other 10 seasons (excluding first 2 in Seattle because they were short season) he averaged 39.2. Just the numbers as they are.
I think he will drop off next season due to being a basketcase.
You can't look at it this way.
First, those numbers were compiled at ages 25-27, which are statistical prime years for production, plus, he was playing in Arlington, which is a notorious hitter's ballpark.
His best seasons were with the Yankees, and he had a monster Seattle season that was better than his Texas numbers.
Personally, I think they're all still on stuff, they're just smarter about it. They're avoiding the bulky look. THG couldn't have been the only undetectable designer drug out there.
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You can't look at it this way.
First, those numbers were compiled at ages 25-27, which are statistical prime years for production, plus, he was playing in Arlington, which is a notorious hitter's ballpark.
His best seasons were with the Yankees, and he had a monster Seattle season that was better than his Texas numbers.
Personally, I think they're all still on stuff, they're just smarter about it. They're avoiding the bulky look. THG couldn't have been the only undetectable designer drug out there.
I would bet that there is a new "cream" and a new "clear" being used as we speak. In track and field, there are still records being set. I think some baseball players are on but not nearly as many, they are all scared shit right now.
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Thanks for saying exactly what I just said....
Chick, you really think your something else, dont you.
You said:
If they drop, it'll be from injury related absense....the most common reason the ball players take AAS...people that believe taking gear automatically makes you a HR hitter are mistaken...
First, numbers will drop because players will be smaller and have less power. Second, power and performance is the most common reason baseball players take riods, not injury.....that would be why they take hgh ::) Have you ever played baseball at a high level Chick? There are a lot of drugs you can take that are not steroids that can help you come back from an injury faster or play through the pain.
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LOL...it's obvious you don't understand how anabolics work...if they are getting around faster or quicker, it's because they are injury free, or not as beat up as they would normally be due to the wear and tear of playing so frequently...
That said, merely taking steroids don't automatically make you bigger, faster or stronger....lifting weights would be the catalyst, which I doubt most of them do on any regular basis...
False
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False
Body's right. These guys train frequently.
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Body's right. These guys train frequently.
Chick thinks he knows everything. Pro ball players are in the gym all the time.
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Chick thinks he knows everything. Pro ball players are in the gym all the time.
They actually lift on game day.
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So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
well, he's been clean since then, supposedly. I think it's blown out of Proportion, BIG TIME. the Media needed something to talk about badly, Post superbowl, and they got their Wish. the good thing is, A-ROID will put this behind him and move on
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Chick, you really think your something else, dont you.
You said:
If they drop, it'll be from injury related absense....the most common reason the ball players take AAS...people that believe taking gear automatically makes you a HR hitter are mistaken...
First, numbers will drop because players will be smaller and have less power. Second, power and performance is the most common reason baseball players take riods, not injury.....that would be why they take hgh ::) Have you ever played baseball at a high level Chick? There are a lot of drugs you can take that are not steroids that can help you come back from an injury faster or play through the pain.
Maybe Bob don't read the sports section....or anything.
That would have to be the case for him to be this ignorant and misinformed.
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There's credibility to the statement that faster recovery time would aid a players numbers over the course of a season.
But to say they don't improve performance from a speed/power standpoint is just crazy. The video-game numbers put up during those time periods help prove that. Luiz Gonzalez didn't hit 58 HRs one year because he was injury free.
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There's credibility to the statement that faster recovery time would aid a players numbers over the course of a season.
But to say they don't improve performance from a speed/power standpoint is just crazy. The video-game numbers put up during those time periods help prove that. Luiz Gonzalez didn't hit 58 HRs one year because he was injury free.
Oh yeah, The recovery point is valid, but the rest of his opinion is definitely "the earth is still flat".
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If they drop, it'll be from injury related absense....the most common reason the ball players take AAS...people that believe taking gear automatically makes you a HR hitter are mistaken...
This is the first and only time I've ever agreed with Bob. They play 150 games a year! Double Headers (Quaker Oats favorite), believe me, they will hurt themselves. My ex girlfriend played a softball game with D Strawberry, B Bonds, D Justice, G Carter and man, I was bloan away the the athleticism at that event.
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This is the first and only time I've ever agreed with Bob. They play 150 games a year! Double Headers (Quaker Oats favorite), believe me, they will hurt themselves. My ex girlfriend played a softball game with D Strawberry, B Bonds, D Justice, G Carter and man, I was bloan away the the athleticism at that event.
Agreed, but Bob is saying that the reason MLB players take juice is injuries and the decline in their numbers will be due to increased injuries. He also said that ball players don't train with weights much.
Steroids help improve, explosion, strength, speed, recovery time and power. The inflated numbers of the steroid era have to do with bigger, stronger, faster players with more power and pop. Also, MLB players do train with weights, and I have directly seen the extremely positive effects steroids had on some of my college teamates.
Chick took steriods for bb. I doubt he has any clue what it's like to take them for sports.
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This is the first and only time I've ever agreed with Bob. They play 150 games a year! Double Headers (Quaker Oats favorite), believe me, they will hurt themselves. My ex girlfriend played a softball game with D Strawberry, B Bonds, D Justice, G Carter and man, I was bloan away the the athleticism at that event.
hahahaha, epic using my name in a totally unrealted post, looks like i'm in someone's codiene addicted head. ;D
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What's funny is that ESPN reported that Primobolan was used so guys don't appear lean or cut. I thought that's what it's used for...
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What's funny is that ESPN reported that Primobolan was used so guys don't appear lean or cut. I thought that's what it's used for...
who knows, I for one am clueless when it comes to steroids ... I know that Winny makes you cut lol ...
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who knows, I for one am clueless when it comes to steroids ... I know that Winny makes you cut lol ...
I remember reading the Mystery Pro thing and Craig said it gets you cut round muscles with no bloat. I had a buddy use it to lean out but stay muscular.
I think you are right about Winny.
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So he tested positive in 2003.
So the question now goes why didnt baseball do something about the 104 players that they found positive for steroids, and that is just a small sampling of players.
Rumor had it that up to 50% of the players were using some form of steroids at one time or another, but just a few get caught.
It is such hypocrisy to see that no one cared nor did anything, and still until a few days ago, when Sports Illustrated uncovered the results.
Pro Baseball covered it up, and such is life.
Why lose profits on a game where performance enhanced drugs are used all the time. People want to see the guys score the home runs, and more?
I like how he said he didn't think they made a difference in his performance. ::)
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I laugh at how he claims he had no idea what he was taking and that it was from GNC, then says he took steroids, then says the questions is "What do you want to take" because the doctors and trainers had it all. WTF. This guy was all over the place in his interview.
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I like how he said he didn't think they made a difference in his performance. ::)
I honestly don't think they really did. He's not one of these guys who needed them to make the roster. He was one of the best in baseball before he used and has been since he stopped.
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This thread is useless without pictures of Madonna
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I honestly don't think they really did. He's not one of these guys who needed them to make the roster. He was one of the best in baseball before he used and has been since he stopped.
Do you really believe he only used from 01-03?
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Do you really believe he only used from 01-03?
That's hard to say. On one hand he came clean and it would be stupid for him to lie again on the other hand, he wasn't honest about it during the 60 minutes interview. I'm just sick of all of it. I personally don't care what he, Bonds, Clemens or anyone else did or didn't do. This steroid hysteria is a creation of the media and congress IMO, These guys made themselves and a lot of other people very rich. These teams, writers and MLB didn't care about gear when parks were full, and balls were flying out of the park. It's overblown and tiresome to me, but i can see why some are upset.
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Do you really believe he only used from 01-03?
Regardless, if you believe that the Olympic style testing for the WBC was legit, he's theoretically clean since '04, and he's had his best seasons statistically since then, which supports Mass04's post.
The truth is, steroids do improve performance, but, those who were great before using them, should be great afterward as well.
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Agreed, but Bob is saying that the reason MLB players take juice is injuries and the decline in their numbers will be due to increased injuries. He also said that ball players don't train with weights much.
Steroids help improve, explosion, strength, speed, recovery time and power. The inflated numbers of the steroid era have to do with bigger, stronger, faster players with more power and pop. Also, MLB players do train with weights, and I have directly seen the extremely positive effects steroids had on some of my college teamates.
Chick took steriods for bb. I doubt he has any clue what it's like to take them for sports.
I totoally agree with you as well.
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steroids cannot make someone better at hitting a 99 mile per hour fastball. What it can do is help him hit it a little stronger by a few feet, which in baseball is the difference in getting 10-20 more home runs over the wall.
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ARod and Bonds are different from McGuire, Canseco, Palmiero and Sosa, as they would be Hall of Famers without the juice. Clemons as well. But ARod and Bonds are going to be 1 and 2 all time in homers, and it's not fair to all the guys who didn't use.
Fred McGriff's 493 homers would be Hall of Fame material if everyone had been clean, as there would be about 10 less 500 homer guys.
Ken Griffey Jr. is realistically only the 4th guy to hit 600 homers, as Bonds and Sosa would have never reached that without performance enhancers.
Hank Aaron is still the true homerun champ career-wise and Roger Maris is the real single season leader !
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The first 4 Super Bowls owned by the Pittsburgh Steelers are coated in steroids. But no one cares. And baseball should be the same.
Yes it happened, make it illegal, test for it, and move on. Fuck the records. MLB records are bullshit anyway. Different size fields, constant upgrading of bats, the changing of the ball and more.
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ARod and Bonds are different from McGuire, Canseco, Palmiero and Sosa, as they would be Hall of Famers without the juice. Clemons as well. But ARod and Bonds are going to be 1 and 2 all time in homers, and it's not fair to all the guys who didn't use.
Fred McGriff's 493 homers would be Hall of Fame material if everyone had been clean, as there would be about 10 less 500 homer guys.
Ken Griffey Jr. is realistically only the 4th guy to hit 600 homers, as Bonds and Sosa would have never reached that without performance enhancers.
Hank Aaron is still the true homerun champ career-wise and Roger Maris is the real single season leader !
Bullshit. Griffey is not clean. Look at his stats. His stats peaked and valleyed at the same rate as McGuire. All stats for the alst 10 years in baseball have been lies.
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That's hard to say. On one hand he came clean and it would be stupid for him to lie again on the other hand, he wasn't honest about it during the 60 minutes interview. I'm just sick of all of it. I personally don't care what he, Bonds, Clemens or anyone else did or didn't do. This steroid hysteria is a creation of the media and congress IMO, These guys made themselves and a lot of other people very rich. These teams, writers and MLB didn't care about gear when parks were full, and balls were flying out of the park. It's overblown and tiresome to me, but i can see why some are upset.
I agree. I too am sick of it all. I don't understand why they just don't let up on the banning of it all around. I'm tired of having someone else (government) tell me what I can and cannot do to MY body (outside of doing something that could harm others - drink/drugs & driving). There isn't a good reason out there, that I've heard, for having such a ban. They can say all they want about roid rage but as far as I'm concerned there are just as many "prescription and non-prescription drugs" out there that alter someones mood. Hell, just dieting - low carbing makes some people wanna rip someone's head off. They can say what they want regarding it diseasing one's liver, but again…alcohol is legal, tobacco is killing people, even our own foods, water & environment are now giving us cancer…all government approved! And if it does mess up your health…it's your life. So now comes the Health/Medical Care and/or Insurance. Well, I guess they could make stipulations or guidelines within such involving steroid "abuse", not that it should hold due to all the other things I spoke of above. But what it comes down to is that it's never going to go away. People are still going to do it and what makes it worse is that because it's illegal you have people making the shit in unsanitized tubs for cripes sakes. The government should just tax it and put their "stamp" on it just like they do with cigarettes, alcohol and gas. >:(
Regardless, if you believe that the Olympic style testing for the WBC was legit, he's theoretically clean since '04, and he's had his best seasons statistically since then, which supports Mass04's post.
The truth is, steroids do improve performance, but, those who were great before using them, should be great afterward as well.
Yeah…"theoretically". And I'm not saying anything regarding his performance other than him stating that he doesn't think they did anything for him. A good ball player will always be a good ball player, but as mon_of_steels says…with a little added strength, you hit harder and harder means hitting further….hello home run. ;)
steroids cannot make someone better at hitting a 99 mile per hour fastball. What it can do is help him hit it a little stronger by a few feet, which in baseball is the difference in getting 10-20 more home runs over the wall.
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Bullshit. Griffey is not clean. Look at his stats. His stats peaked and valleyed at the same rate as McGuire. All stats for the alst 10 years in baseball have been lies.
You could be right, but I think Griffey was clean. But who knows.
But Aaron and Maris are still the true homerun leaders !
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But Aaron and Maris are still the true homerun leaders !
Amphetamines be damned!