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Selig mulls action on A-Rod, HR mark
By Tom Singer / MLB.com
"It was against the law, so I would have to think about that," Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.
Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.
Bonds currently holds the career record with 762 home runs, having passed Aaron's mark of 755 in 2007.
"This is breaking my heart, I don't mind telling you that," Selig said.
A suspension of Rodriguez is a tricky proposition because the test that came up positive was part of an anonymous survey to determine whether use was above a certain threshold in the game.
So, Rodriguez would be paying a price for verifying his use in response to an unnamed-sources leak to Sports Illustrated, and it is unclear whether Selig would want to deter others from coming forward if they were inclined to confess to being among the 104 names on the list that included A-Rod.
Additionally, even Rodriguez's "admission" to using outlawed substances to ESPN in Monday's interview was unclear.
"I don't know exactly what substance I was guilty of using," Rodriguez said.
The list of 2003 results that was confiscated as part of the highly publicized BALCO investigation started with 10 players of interest. Rodriguez was not one of the 10 players connected to that inquiry, though he was revealed to be one of the 104 overall tagged as positive in the story that broke Feb. 7 on SI.com. A-Rod confirmed the general accuracy of that article on ESPN two days later.
The New York Times reported in 2004 that Bonds, Marvin Benard, Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Armando Rios, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield and Randy Velarde were among those who had urine specimens seized as part of the BALCO investigation. Later, it was reported that in June 2006 the house of Jason Grimsley, then a pitcher for the Diamondbacks, was searched as part of the BALCO probe. Grimsley, released by the D-backs, was suspended for 50 games by MLB, consistent with guidelines in an agreement with the Players Association.
It is not known outside the circle of the sealed federal case whether any of those players were connected to positive tests in the 2003 survey of more than 1,000 Major Leaguers, but those were the records originally sought by investigators. After resistance from the union regarding details for the 10 players, federal agents who seized material from the Long Beach-based Comprehensive Drug Testing Inc. (a company that kept records matching names to numeric sample identifications) had a search warrant for the test results of 10 players specifically, and in doing so they discovered on a computer spreadsheet the test results of additional players, raising many questions ranging from whether that material should be destroyed or made public. All the participants were part of collectively bargained testing that was agreed would preserve anonymity. The matter is now in the hands of a California court.
Donald Fehr, the union's executive director, told USA Today he would not expect any action taken against Rodriguez.
"I would be surprised if there was an attempt to [suspend Rodriguez]," Fehr said.
Selig issued a memo in 1997 banning steroids and noted possession of steroids was illegal without a prescription. Players did not agree to punishment for use until 2004, triggered by the more than 5 percent of players who tested positive in the 2003 exercise.
Brennan wrote a column that included additional details of her discussion with the Commissioner.
"I don't want to create any false hope," Selig said, referring to those, including Brennan herself, who are advocating action, even if just to make a statement and even if it were overturned or unenforceable.
As Brennan wrote, suggesting a "best interest" of the game rationale: "Suspend him for 50 games, suspend him for a week. Just suspend him."
Easier written than done, no doubt, for the aforementioned reason that the A-Rod revelation ultimately was the product of an illegal disclosure.
The BALCO scandal hardly has raised suspicions solely about baseball players.
In a 2004 interview with the ABC program "20/20," and in a bylined story in ESPN the Magazine, the alleged mastermind of BALCO, Victor Conte, claimed he had provided banned drugs to a long list of elite athletes, including track and field superstar Marion Jones (she later served six months in prison for lying in the investigation), world record sprinter Tim Montgomery, former NFL linebacker Bill Romanowski and British sprint champion Dwain Chambers. Former San Francisco 49ers and Oakland Raiders defensive tackle Dana Stubblefield later was connected to BALCO as well and was sentenced to two years' probation for lying to federal agents.
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BTW Hedge, when you move this, move it to the sports board..........baseball is a sport is you haven't figured that out by now.
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Pushing your shitty site still, I see.
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Pushing your shitty site still, I see.
I realize it's not oiled up men in thongs f**king pineapples......
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Nice gimmick, poly.
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every single pro athlete has used performance enhancing drugs. every pro athlete has injected steroids at one time or another. oh wait, corticosteroids, a performance enhancing drug, are not considered cheating but anabolic steroids are? But corticosteroids are much harsher on the body and have much more side effects than do anabolic steroids.
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I have the list of banned substances back in my office. But if I'm not mistaken corticos are banned as well.
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Selig will be powerless in this situation. Unable to do a damn thing.
It shows his hypocrisy as well. If he knew about steroids in the late 90s, he ignored it and he should be fired. If he didn't know, he's incompetent at his job, and he should be fired.
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Selig will be powerless in this situation. Unable to do a damn thing.
It shows his hypocrisy as well. If he knew about steroids in the late 90s, he ignored it and he should be fired. If he didn't know, he's incompetent at his job, and he should be fired.
I don't think it will happen either, they would have to re-write almost every baseball stat book.
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baseball is a sport
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
Still pissed you were cut from the little league team?
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Bud is a fag. I have never liked him
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Selig is the one that fucked it all up. These "juiced" athletes were bringing in the dough after he fucked up that season with the strike. Montreal was the best team in the league, ironically enough if you look at stats were probably 90% jacked on test and had a great chance to run to the World Series, but that strike killed that team, they had to fire sale and ended up moving to DC. Bug has done so much wrong shit yet gets paid huge dollars. The old school owners love the asshole and that's why he still has his job
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I have the list of banned substances back in my office. But if I'm not mistaken corticos are banned as well.
I don't think so. Corticosteroids are injected into elbows and shoulder joints all the time
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as far as i'm concerned Hank Aaron still holds the all time HR record at 756 and Roger Maris still holds the season HR record at 61.
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as far as i'm concerned Hank Aaron still holds the all time HR record at 756 and Roger Maris still holds the season HR record at 61.
Disagree with the Maris record.
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Disagree with the Maris record.
why?
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why?
the amount of the games increased from when Ruth played to his time, no ?
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why?
Because it was never proven that McGwire took anything he's getting held up in HOF balloting based on hear-say. Until proven otherwise, that record stands.
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Because it was never proven that McGwire took anything he's getting held up in HOF balloting based on hear-say. Until proven otherwise, that record stands.
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Because it was never proven that McGwire took anything he's getting held up in HOF balloting based on hear-say. Until proven otherwise, that record stands.
Mr. Neocon Morals Man...please tell me you are shitting me right now
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bud selig is a jackass plain and simple, he believed in the code of the lockerroom what happens here stays in here. but that isn't how it is anymore. he didn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. he makes 20 some million plus every year so naturally he turned a blind eye to it.+now he pretends he knows nothing about it, he's just like the players when they get caught first they say they didn't know what they were taking, then they try to blame someone else.as far as the hr records it isn't maris fault that they added 8games to the season. it could also be added that babe ruth never had to face black pitchers or air travel etc. bud selig is the one who should be under investigation.
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Because it was never proven that McGwire took anything he's getting held up in HOF balloting based on hear-say. Until proven otherwise, that record stands.
Never proven yet oh so obvious.
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and all through the 70s pitchers used amphetamines. why aren't there asterisks next to those records?
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and all through the 70s pitchers used amphetamines. why aren't there asterisks next to those records?
any proof like there is with Bonds, Clemens or A Rod?
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Back then it was common knowledge and there was no testing. Players were even using when I played as early as 81'.
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Back then it was common knowledge and there was no testing. Players were even using when I played as early as 81'.
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Back then it was common knowledge and there was no testing. Players were even using when I played as early as 81'.
Got that right...what a joke this whole thing has become.
Athletes of every era was into whatever they could to make the pain dissappear, make them play faster, stronger, whatever it took....guess the coke that LT was using for the games doesn't count, or the bennies and speed the players of the 60's/ 70's were using....
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Got that right...what a joke this whole thing has become.
Athletes of every era was into whatever they could to make the pain dissappear, make them play faster, stronger, whatever it took....guess the coke that LT was using for the games doesn't count, or the bennies and speed the players of the 60's/ 70's were using....
BOOM!!!!... Thats what i dont understand...they go after steroids why? because they work really really well. Creatine is proven to get you (as bob would say) "all swolled up" and it is legal because creatine dosent work as fast or efficent as roids. But what if someone made creatine that did work as good as roids..would it be banned...this is absolutley crazy.
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Anyone remember Steve Howe? He was givin 7 chances with MLB before finally getting kick out of baseball, he was even doing blow in the dugout while other players covered for him. Babe Ruth played drunk and did drugs. .....this whole thing is a joke.
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Because it was never proven that McGwire took anything he's getting held up in HOF balloting based on hear-say. Until proven otherwise, that record stands.
You are a tool, this guy was juiced to the gills.
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Anyone remember Steve Howe? He was givin 7 chances with MLB before finally getting kick out of baseball, he was even doing blow in the dugout while other players covered for him. Babe Ruth played drunk and did drugs. .....this whole thing is a joke.
I agree with you on this.. Every athlete or competitor wants an advantage.
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You are a tool, this guy was juiced to the gills.
Hey jackass, I didn't say he wasn't, he just MIGHT have been. But until you can prove it shut your cock tunnel, and I don't want to see pics of him from 25 years ago when he was with Oakland and then right before he retired.....thats not proof!!
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Yeah, the issues with McGwire have a lot less proof than the other guys. He likely did it but he got his name dragged through the mud for nothing. He was smart by not answering questions in front of Congress.
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Yeah, the issues with McGwire have a lot less proof than the other guys. He likely did it but he got his name dragged through the mud for nothing. He was smart by not answering questions in front of Congress.
Plus he's a likeable person.
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Plus he's a likeable person.
hahahaa, not really, you should ask a lot of people here in St. Louis what a "nice guy" McGwire was, he was known as a huge asshole while he was here to almost everyone.
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hahahaa, not really, you should ask a lot of people here in St. Louis what a "nice guy" McGwire was, he was known as a huge asshole while he was here to almost everyone.
I couldn't speak personally but from what I hear he is a very private person. I know a college QB who was the same way and everyone thought he was an asshole too. Just saying.
I doubt anyone can be worse than Bonds...lol.
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hahahaa, not really, you should ask a lot of people here in St. Louis what a "nice guy" McGwire was, he was known as a huge asshole while he was here to almost everyone.
He was never an asshole to me and not once ever came off that way.
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He was never an asshole to me and not once ever came off that way.
i've never met the guy but just going on what i've heard from A LOT of people here in town.
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i've never met the guy but just going on what i've heard from A LOT of people here in town.
I would imagine it would have to ware on his nerves after awhile going out and having a nice quiet dinner and having people come up to him all of the time. If thats the case, then ya, I could see that.
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So they think they can just erase the last 10 years of baseball's history?
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So they think they can just erase the last 10 years of baseball's history?
No, Selig's an idiot. Do you realize that dudes salary is $18mil a year??
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coach, have you read 'Game of Shadows'
It was pretty obvious that Bonds was juicing, but his cycles were almost equivalent to that of an ifbb pro. i guess i never realized he was juicing to that extent until i read the book
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coach, have you read 'Game of Shadows'
It was pretty obvious that Bonds was juicing, but his cycles were almost equivalent to that of an ifbb pro. i guess i never realized he was juicing to that extent until i read the book
what were the cycles?
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Selig even mentioning suspension is a fucking joke...What is this 6th grade...
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I would imagine it would have to ware on his nerves after awhile going out and having a nice quiet dinner and having people come up to him all of the time. If thats the case, then ya, I could see that.
I bet he would love to have those days back...Now they probably just yell cheater from afar...And parents probably kept there kids away from him...Anyway you slice it, McGwaire got really bad representation and basically did everything wrong...
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Bud is a fag. I have never liked him I like fags
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Hey jackass, I didn't say he wasn't, he just MIGHT have been. But until you can prove it shut your cock tunnel, and I don't want to see pics of him from 25 years ago when he was with Oakland and then right before he retired.....thats not proof!!
coach , are you dave mckay?
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and I don't want to see pics of him from 25 years ago when he was with Oakland and then right before he retired.....thats not proof!!
Then how is it proof against Bonds? Because someone says they saw him inject steroids? He lied on the stand, and so could anyone else. Including Greg Anderson and Victor Conte.
Nobody knows for sure.
Coach- it's pretty obvious, in any endeavor/argument you engage in, that you choose sides with your heart. Not your mind. You would probably still choose Rush Limbaugh to be president, even after getting caught snorting all those painkillers, coke, doing roids and being thrown in jail for running down 13 old ladies crossing a crosswalk....all because you like what he stands for- and not the evidence.