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Yes you heard me. In the 82 Mr. Olympia Boyer Coe competed steroid free. He had taken most of 81 off from training and in 82 he started to work for nautilus and made a series of training videos during his intitial stages of training again. In the training videos it was obvious that Boyer coe was drug free. He was so down in size it was crazy. Boyer has admitted to his steroid free status at the 82 Mr. Olympia many times over the years. And the man is not lying, becuase he has also been very candid about his abuse of GH during his Master Olympia competitions. ANd he has always spoken about his large steroid usage. So the man is not a bullshitter. So check out this video I found of him competing steroid free in the 82 Mr. Olympia. Then My next post will be Boyer Coe competing in the 84 Olympia back on steroids again. You will see the crazy difference. Yes folks, there were guys that did such things before Mike Morris and the bullshit lies of Flex Wheeler.
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And here is Boyer Coe back on the steroids for the 84 Mr. Olympia. Way ,way bigger. Huge fucking difference.
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And here is Boyer being trained by the late Ray Mentzer in Florida at the old Nautilus headquarters These are a series of the Nautilus training videos in which Boyer was steroid free for. I doubt that anyone would say different.
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what was his placing on 82?
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Yes you heard me. In the 82 Mr. Olympia Boyer Coe competed steroid free. He had taken most of 81 off from training and in 82 he started to work for nautilus and made a series of training videos during his intitial stages of training again. In the training videos it was obvious that Boyer coe was drug free. He was so down in size it was crazy. Boyer has admitted to his steroid free status at the 82 Mr. Olympia many times over the years. And the man is not lying, becuase he has also been very candid about his abuse of GH during his Master Olympia competitions. ANd he has always spoken about his large steroid usage. So the man is not a bullshitter. So check out this video I found of him competing steroid free in the 82 Mr. Olympia. Then My next post will be Boyer Coe competing in the 84 Olympia back on steroids again. You will see the crazy difference. Yes folks, there were guys that did such things before Mike Morris and the bullshit lies of Flex Wheeler.
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cool beard and posing music
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While many may laugh at Boyer in 82, at least the man showed that he had built a real base of core muscle from the start. How many guys from the current crop could pull this off? Probably not many.
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While many may laugh at Boyer in 82, at least the man showed that he had built a real base of core muscle from the start. How many guys from the current crop could pull this off? Probably not many.
True.....he looked damn good in 82 for being "off".
Real posing too.....none of this pop locking, robot dancing shit we see today.
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what was his placing on 82?
He placed 11th.
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so being off made him look like eric clapton?
i think he looked better off than on, he didn't look so winded on stage either!
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He placed 11th.
ok...well I believe he was off then....
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so being off made him look like eric clapton?
i think he looked better off than on, he didn't look so winded on stage either!
Many say that Boyers condition in 82 while off steroids was his best conditioning ever. In the sense of leanness and being dry. No water retention at all and no gyno. If you can see, his gyno in 84 is off the charts and he is holding serious water in 84 too.
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still had the hairdo!
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Many say that Boyers condition in 82 while off steroids was his best conditioning ever. In the sense of leanness and being dry. No water retention at all and no gyno. If you can see, his gyno in 84 is off the charts and he is holding serious water in 84 too.
yes, better conditioning in 82'.
and how could you miss the gyno?!
was there a reason he went off in 82'?
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so being off made him look like eric clapton?
i think he looked better off than on, he didn't look so winded on stage either!
LOL I was thinking the same thing
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yes, better conditioning in 82'.
and how could you miss the gyno?!
was there a reason he went off in 82'?
In interviews he admitted to taking most of 81 off from serious training. So by 82 he got an offer from Nautilus creator Arthur Jones to do a series of training videos for some of the new nautilus equipment he had just made. And Boyer felt that it would be a good time to see what the HIT Arthur Jones training protocol could do for his body coming out of an untrained state. And he wanted to see what it did without any chemical enhancement and if he was happy with the results he would compete later that year. Well it just happened to be the Mr. Olympia that he competed in. Probably was just a personal goal too.
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You gotta give Boyer credit for sticking to his guns and getting up on stage way smaller and steroid free. Considering that he was a beast for many years prior and in Sydney for the 80 Olympia. Gotta respect him. Now if only he would have showed up without the wig. Then he would have really shocked everybody!
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He should have rolled his trunks into his ass crack.
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Yes you heard me. In the 82 Mr. Olympia Boyer Coe competed steroid free. He had taken most of 81 off from training and in 82 he started to work for nautilus and made a series of training videos during his intitial stages of training again. In the training videos it was obvious that Boyer coe was drug free. He was so down in size it was crazy. Boyer has admitted to his steroid free status at the 82 Mr. Olympia many times over the years. And the man is not lying, becuase he has also been very candid about his abuse of GH during his Master Olympia competitions. ANd he has always spoken about his large steroid usage. So the man is not a bullshitter. So check out this video I found of him competing steroid free in the 82 Mr. Olympia. Then My next post will be Boyer Coe competing in the 84 Olympia back on steroids again. You will see the crazy difference. Yes folks, there were guys that did such things before Mike Morris and the bullshit lies of Flex Wheeler.
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awesome, thanks for posting!
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In interviews he admitted to taking most of 81 off from serious training. So by 82 he got an offer from Nautilus creator Arthur Jones to do a series of training videos for some of the new nautilus equipment he had just made. And Boyer felt that it would be a good time to see what the HIT Arthur Jones training protocol could do for his body coming out of an untrained state. And he wanted to see what it did without any chemical enhancement and if he was happy with the results he would compete later that year. Well it just happened to be the Mr. Olympia that he competed in. Probably was just a personal goal too.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.......Was he being paid to help promote Arthur Jones HIT training program? If so, I can see him telling a fib about being clean for that show and only using Arthur Jones training principles. After all, this is the same Arthur Jones that claimed Casey Viator gained 60 lbs of lean muscle in 1 month using his principles.
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Things that make you go hmmmmm.......Was he being paid to help promote Arthur Jones HIT training program? If so, I can see him telling a fib about being clean for that show and only using Arthur Jones training principles. After all, this is the same Arthur Jones that claimed Casey Viator gained 60 lbs of lean muscle in 1 month using his principles.
While I see why one could think that, take this into consideration. Yes Boyer was being paid by Jones. But if Boyer wanted to just lie and to get Jones his props for the equipment and the HIT routine all that Boyer would have had to do was juice up like a #### and show up on stage at the 82 Olympia looking super huge and everybody would have bought into the 1 set routine. But instead Boyer shows up looking way smaller than ever?
No way....
Gotta believe Boyer on this one. He was steroid free in 82. Plus it is so fucking obvious that he is. The man had a huge base of well built muscle since his teens, which is why he was still able to show some nice quality muscle even at this way lighter bodyweight.
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epic boxing moves @ 2:17
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epic boxing moves @ 2:17
Got to admit that shit had me laughing - great bodybuilder though, though I see the lack of lower abs was an issue then as it was when he did the masters too.
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Gotta believe Boyer on this one. He was steroid free in 82. Plus it is so fucking obvious that he is.
There are different levels of steroid use. You know how the mind of a bodybuilder works. Let's say he really intended to compete clean. There's a big temptation to at least take 'a little bit of something' when you're a few weeks out of the O. A little bit of Winstrol and Primo for example. If I had to bet I'd bet he wasn't totally clean.
He does look clean in those training videos. I wonder what kind of BW difference there is compared to what he weighed on stage.
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My 2 cents ...
Boyer was very much ON although maybe smaller doses.
But nevertheless he was on hormones/steroids in 1982.
Why BEEFY says he was clean is beyond me as he was a serious competitor and he knows there's NO clean bb...it would look rediculous small and flat on stage ...
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I did an experiment with true HIT training last year here in Florida. I worked with Arthur Jones' right hand man at both Nautilus and Arthur's later company, MedX. I too was curious about what Boyer was doing during his tenure at Nautilus, so I shot him an email inquiring about his nutrition during that period. The response he sent is as follows:
Sean:
That was a long time ago, its hard for me to recall calorie counts. First off, Arthur had me stop all training for at least four months, much like he did with Casey with the Colorado Experiment.
You have to remember Casey didn't gain 60 lbs. of muscle he "Regained" 60 pounds of muscle and he still did not not look anywhere close to contest shape.
As I recall, I got down to 178 lbs. that was even lighter than I was in high school. When I started back training, for some reason he wanted me to keep my calories low, Arthur knew nothing about
nutrition. I was also off of any Anabolics. Had he let me train a bit slower where I could really concentrate on the movements and get back on Anabolics I am sure the results would have been better.
After he dis continued the training, I made my necessary adjustments and in one month I went from 178 to 198 and then later on up to 215, in really good shape.
If I had to guess on calories I probably was not eating more that 1,800 calories a day, which is not very much.
Hope this helps you.
Boyer
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My 2 cents ...
Boyer was very much ON although maybe smaller doses.
But nevertheless he was on hormones/steroids in 1982.
Why BEEFY says he was clean is beyond me as he was a serious competitor and he knows there's NO clean bb...it would look rediculous small and flat on stage ...
it's not unconceivable that he did that off for a year after being on for several years.
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steroids or not he had some of the best abs in the history of the earth ;)
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I did an experiment with true HIT training last year here in Florida. I worked with Arthur Jones' right hand man at both Nautilus and Arthur's later company, MedX. I too was curious about what Boyer was doing during his tenure at Nautilus, so I shot him an email inquiring about his nutrition during that period. The response he sent is as follows:
Sean:
That was a long time ago, its hard for me to recall calorie counts. First off, Arthur had me stop all training for at least four months, much like he did with Casey with the Colorado Experiment.
You have to remember Casey didn't gain 60 lbs. of muscle he "Regained" 60 pounds of muscle and he still did not not look anywhere close to contest shape.
As I recall, I got down to 178 lbs. that was even lighter than I was in high school. When I started back training, for some reason he wanted me to keep my calories low, Arthur knew nothing about
nutrition. I was also off of any Anabolics. Had he let me train a bit slower where I could really concentrate on the movements and get back on Anabolics I am sure the results would have been better.
After he dis continued the training, I made my necessary adjustments and in one month I went from 178 to 198 and then later on up to 215, in really good shape.
If I had to guess on calories I probably was not eating more that 1,800 calories a day, which is not very much.
Hope this helps you.
Boyer
If Boyer said this I believe it.
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steroids or not he had some of the best abs in the history of the earth ;)
of course! Nobody would dare challenge this.
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In interviews he admitted to taking most of 81 off from serious training. So by 82 he got an offer from Nautilus creator Arthur Jones to do a series of training videos for some of the new nautilus equipment he had just made. And Boyer felt that it would be a good time to see what the HIT Arthur Jones training protocol could do for his body coming out of an untrained state. And he wanted to see what it did without any chemical enhancement and if he was happy with the results he would compete later that year. Well it just happened to be the Mr. Olympia that he competed in. Probably was just a personal goal too.
I`ve never trained on nautilus equipment,anyone have any experience on them.
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Looked fantastic
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epic boxing moves @ 2:17
wtf was that hahahaa
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If that's not GREAT posing ... then I'm not sure what is ! Thanks for the vids, Beefy ! :)
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True.....he looked damn good in 82 for being "off".
Real posing too.....none of this pop locking, robot dancing shit we see today.
Anything would look impressive to a 19 year old twink like you.
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beard ftw!!! ;D
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He was on.
You just cant use roids for over 15 years then come off (1982) and expect your skin to stay paper thin without holding fat...sorry no possible.
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I have the original mag some where and Boyer said that he over dieted and that he was training exclusivley on Nautilus and that is why he was smaller for that show.
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He was on.
You cant just use roids for over 15 years then come off (1982) and expect your skin to stay paper thin without holding fat...sorry no possible.
thank you !
i the closeups...he is rather full and paper thin skin ... drug free my ass
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thank you !
i the closeups...he is rather full and paper thin skin ... drug free my ass
Having paper thin skin has nothing to do with steroids. After my steroid days were over, I waited 2 years before competing again. I competed in a show entirely steroid free and entirely drug free. I didnt even take creatine which I have always thought was shit anyway. I ended up competing 20lbs less than my steroid years and I was still competing at heavyweight. I was leaner and dryer than any competition that I had done while on gear. Everybody that I knew thought that I was on something. They said I had to be at least on GH. I was on nothing except vitamins and a diet. I didnt even drink protein shakes. And i didnt compete in a natural show either. It was a drug show and I felt like I could do it clean. And guess what, I place 4th out of 19 other men in the heavies. I was cold off everything for 25 months. So trust me on this, I had paper thin skin too and I didnt take shit. ANd Boyer has a way better metabolism than I ever had. And why did I do it? Well I had already made the decision to stop roids and I wanted to prove to myself that I had built a base from the many years that i had never taken the stuff as a young man. And I wanted to show myself that I wasnt controlled by the gear. And I never looked back.
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Having paper thin skin has nothing to do with steroids. After my steroid days were over, I waited 2 years before deciding to compete again. I competed in a show entirely steroid free and entirely drug free. I didnt even take creatine which I have always thought was shit anyway. I ended up competing 20lbs less than my steroid years and I was still competing at heavyweight. I was leaner and dryer than any competition that I had done while on gear. Everybody that I knew thought that I was on something. They said I had to be at least on GH. I was on nothing except vitamins and a diet. I didnt even drink protein shakes. And i didnt compete in a natural show either. It was a drug show and I felt like I could do it clean. And guess what, I place 4th out of 19 other men in the heavies. I was cold off everything for 25 months. So trust me on this, I had paper thin skin too and I didnt take shit. ANd Boyer has a way better metabolism than I ever had. And why did I do it? Well I had already made the decision to stop roids and I wanted to prove to myself that I had built a base from the many years that i had never taken the stuff as a young man. And I wanted to show myself that I wasnt controlled by the gear. And I never looked back.
So you are telling me that you competed roid free at 5-6% at 200 + AND WHAT HEIGHT ? 6'4" ?
comeon BEEFY...
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So you are telling me that you competed roid free at 5-6% at 200 + AND WHAT HEIGHT ? 6'4" ?
comeon BEEFY...
Yes! That is what I am saying. And I am 6ft.tall. I weighed 218lbs at the weigh in. After being entirely drug free for 25 months.
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Plus, I didnt carb up either. I dont believe in it. I just kept my diet the same and kept the water intake the same. So it wasnt like I carbed up to this weight. And like I said, I took no creatine. I think creatine is shit. It is fake intramuscular water size that it gives you. Fake muscles. I hate the shit and only took it once in my life for 3 weeks.
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Having paper thin skin has nothing to do with steroids. After my steroid days were over, I waited 2 years before competing again. I competed in a show entirely steroid free and entirely drug free. I didnt even take creatine which I have always thought was shit anyway. I ended up competing 20lbs less than my steroid years and I was still competing at heavyweight. I was leaner and dryer than any competition that I had done while on gear. Everybody that I knew thought that I was on something. They said I had to be at least on GH. I was on nothing except vitamins and a diet. I didnt even drink protein shakes. And i didnt compete in a natural show either. It was a drug show and I felt like I could do it clean. And guess what, I place 4th out of 19 other men in the heavies. I was cold off everything for 25 months. So trust me on this, I had paper thin skin too and I didnt take shit. ANd Boyer has a way better metabolism than I ever had. And why did I do it? Well I had already made the decision to stop roids and I wanted to prove to myself that I had built a base from the many years that i had never taken the stuff as a young man. And I wanted to show myself that I wasnt controlled by the gear. And I never looked back.
Do urself a favor and dont compare ur drug use with those on the Mr.O stage, as I said Boyer was on gas for over 15 years u dont know how messy u physique becomes after u stop completelly from using, I mean natural means nothing and Boyer was on primo and deca at least in 82.
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Do urself a favor and dont compare ur drug use with those on the Mr.O stage, as I said Boyer was on gas for over 15 years u dont know how messy u physique becomes after u stop completelly from using, I mean natural means nothing and Boyer was on primo and deca at least in 82.
Bro, get your head examined. I have experienced the same thing. I just posted my own experience with this and you talk shit to me. What the fuck have you ever done? Ever compete? Ever take any gear? Or do you just read mags and pose in your bathroom mirror? That is the fucking problem with newbies to this sport. You think it is all steroids. And that nobody can have a base of real muscle left after being off for some time.. How the fuck can you tell me that I dont know what happens to a body after coming off many years of roid use. I have done it assfucker.Keep dreaming Hippo.
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Yes! That is what I am saying. And I am 6ft.tall. I weighed 218lbs at the weigh in. After being entirely drug free for 25 months.
I'm asking you as I tried dieting drug free after a 3 year layoff from AAS as well.....
I got down to 180 lbs @ 8 % and flat as fuck ...I suspect as I would have continued dieting I would have been stuck at 170-173 max @ 6%
I think one needs cutting agents to go under 6 % and diuretics to get that specific look
Again I'm just speaking from what I observed on myself ....I did diet for shows with AAS and the whole 9 yards as well.
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Boyer Coe looked incredible!
Especially his arms, awesome biceps peak.
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Bro, get your head examined. I have experienced the same thing. I just posted my own experience with this and you talk shit to me. What the fuck have you ever done? Ever compete? Ever take any gear? Or do you just read mags and pose in your bathroom mirror? That is the fucking problem with newbies to this sport. You think it is all steroids. And that nobody can have a base of real muscle left after being off for some time.. How the fuck can you tell me that I dont know what happens to a body after coming off many years of roid use. I have done it assfucker.Keep dreaming Hippo.
Ouchhhh easy tiger......
1-Since Im probably old enough to be your father ...I take the 'newbie" comment as a compliment.
2-If I only go by what I read in mags, then i will think Boyer was natural in 82' (like u like to believe)
3-who am I? Have I ever competed? taken any gear? have i even beaten Boyer on a stage? dont know i guess thats the magic of the internet).
4- was Boyer natural in 82? sorry to hurt ur feelings but he wasnt.
(and thats free info )
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Ouchhhh easy tiger......
1-Since Im probably old enough to be your father ...I take the 'newbie" comment as a compliment.
2-If I only go by what I read in mags, then i will think Boyer was natural in 82' (like u like to believe)
3-who am I? Have I ever competed? taken any gear? have i even beaten Boyer on a stage? dont know i guess thats the magic of the internet).
4- was Boyer natural in 82? sorry to hurt ur feelings but he wasnt.
(and thats free info )
So on reply #23, in which ON SWOLE actually posts his correspondence with Boyer and Boyer says he was steroid free. And then Boyer has stated for years that he was steroid free in 82. But somehow you know that he was actually on steroids. What a joke you are. Keep dreaming. You probably think that 9/11 was an inside job by the firefighters too. Or maybe the illuminati. Or you probably belong to the Flat Earth Society.
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I'm asking you as I tried dieting drug free after a 3 year layoff from AAS as well.....
I got down to 180 lbs @ 8 % and flat as fuck ...I suspect as I would have continued dieting I would have been stuck at 170-173 max @ 6%
I think one needs cutting agents to go under 6 % and diuretics to get that specific look
Again I'm just speaking from what I observed on myself ....I did diet for shows with AAS and the whole 9 yards as well.
I understand what you are saying. I too felt flat as fuck at my leanest weight. But once I pumped up a tad, my skin was ready to tear. You def. will feel flat cleaned out and being that lean. But without using cutting agents , you must diet longer and manipulate your diet very well too. So to avoid your BMR slowing down to a halt. The diet must be much more dead on. And diuretics are not needed especially when not on gear for the day of the show. But if you dont have a freak metabolism , then you must carefully diet longer and really manipulate it to get super lean with out losing all your mass. Trust me, it aint easy by any means, but it can be done. Didnt mean to come across harsh.
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So on reply #23, in which ON SWOLE actually posts his correspondence with Boyer and Boyer says he was steroid free. And then Boyer has stated for years that he was steroid free in 82. But somehow you know that he was actually on steroids. What a joke you are. Keep dreaming. You probably think that 9/11 was an inside job by the firefighters too. Or maybe the illuminati. Or you probably belong to the Flat Earth Society.
...Or maybe not.
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I'm asking you as I tried dieting drug free after a 3 year layoff from AAS as well.....
I got down to 180 lbs @ 8 % and flat as fuck ...I suspect as I would have continued dieting I would have been stuck at 170-173 max @ 6%
I think one needs cutting agents to go under 6 % and diuretics to get that specific look
Again I'm just speaking from what I observed on myself ....I did diet for shows with AAS and the whole 9 yards as well.
Problem is this....anyone that looks better than you gets accused of being on something. People like you are so amazing. Its like a 5th grader who studies his ass off and gets only a C+ on test. Then another person studies two days and gets an A. You're the C+ guy who then says something like "He only got an A because he cheated"
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I understand what you are saying. I too felt flat as fuck at my leanest weight. But once I pumped up a tad, my skin was ready to tear. You def. will feel flat cleaned out and being that lean. But without using cutting agents , you must diet longer and manipulate your diet very well too. So to avoid your BMR slowing down to a halt. The diet must be much more dead on. And diuretics are not needed especially when not on gear for the day of the show. But if you dont have a freak metabolism , then you must carefully diet longer and really manipulate it to get super lean with out losing all your mass. Trust me, it aint easy by any means, but it can be done. Didnt mean to come across harsh.
no worries ..and thanx for the tips :)
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Boyer who?
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So on reply #23, in which ON SWOLE actually posts his correspondence with Boyer and Boyer says he was steroid free.
I'd also like to add that I in no way, shape, or form inquired in regard to anything related to steroids when I sent him my email. It was strictly in regard to his nutrition. He was very forthcoming and offered the information about his being steroid-free on his own.
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boyer didn't train with arthur jones up until the contest there was a period between when the experiment finished and the 82 O was held.
In the email he sent you he even says "I made the necessary adjustments" after he left florida to get back up to big enough to compete and I doubt he is only talking about diet.
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i believe him
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Boyer Coe had a very interesting physique, his muscle shape was very angular. Take a look at him and see if you can notice. Very strange, even his back and calves. I believe he came to the IFBB in 1978-9. He was a real freak, great biceps peak and thick back. His legs were out of the world, great calves. His abs or lack of abs were the real question, why didnt he have them? That held him back from a possible Olympia title, remember he was an AAU Mr America and help many, many titles. I will scan some pictures and maybe you will see what I mean.
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boyer was a very underrated BB
old school
the pics of him when he was in his late teens/early 20's are quite amazing
and of course he looked quite phenomenal in "standing tall"
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Boyer without steroids
Boyer with steroids
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Boyer Coe had a very interesting physique, his muscle shape was very angular. Take a look at him and see if you can notice. Very strange, even his back and calves. I believe he came to the IFBB in 1978-9. He was a real freak, great biceps peak and thick back. His legs were out of the world, great calves. His abs or lack of abs were the real question, why didnt he have them? That held him back from a possible Olympia title, remember he was an AAU Mr America and help many, many titles. I will scan some pictures and maybe you will see what I mean.
When you younger cats look at Boyer, you don't know what you are looking at. Boyer was a true classic physique and a genetic marvel.
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I believe Boyer was on a little something for the contest in 82 - wouldn't you be?
beefy heavy weight... do you think most pros never built a natural base? I personally know guys who used steroids from the beginning as teens... these guys became very large, huge.. but they have always been *on* for the most part.
what about the pros you know... did they ever get anywhere naturally?
as far as I know never ever
the natural base I see as bs ....
once I go off roids I gravitate around what nature gave me...training 20 years without roids and I'd still gravitate around the same weight at the same bf percentage ...
I truly believe that mass is directly proportional with roids ( amount and quality )
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Boyer who?
some guy nasser frenched in 93.
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I think creatine is shit. It is fake intramuscular water size that it gives you. Fake muscles. I hate the shit and only took it once in my life for 3 weeks.
you need to do a quick search of how creatine works broseph
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you need to do a quick search of how creatine works broseph
No thanks, TBAGZ.
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No thanks, TBAGZ.
what? you want my balls in your mouth? no thanks beefy, bob chicks balls have been in there far too often, dont like sloppy seconds.
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Boyer with Epic Beard
Boyer without Epic Beards
fixd