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While you were fa$cinated with the "$timul$" being ru$ed through in this "transparent" administration ....
others were busily working on more gun control!
H.R. 45
More Gun Control at the Federal Level
(So much for states rights ... )
Friday, January 23, 2009
U.S. Representative Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) recently sponsored H.R. 45, also known as “Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act.” The bill is, at its core and as its name implies, a licensing and registration scheme.
The measure calls for all handgun owners to submit to the federal government an application that shall include, among many other things: a photo; an address; a thumbprint; a completed, written firearm safety test; private mental health records; and a fee. And those are only some of the requirements to be licensed!
The bill would further require the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer, and owner’s address in America. Moreover, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a “qualifying firearm” — defined as “any handgun; or any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device…” [emphasis added] without one of the proposed licenses.
Additionally, the bill would make it illegal to transfer ownership of a “qualifying firearm” to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector (with very few exceptions), and would require “qualifying firearm” owners to report all transfers to the attorney general’s database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours, or fail to report a change of address within 60 days. Further, if a minor obtains a firearm and injures someone with it, the owner of the firearm may face a multiple-year jail sentence. For ALL the details you need to read the actual bill. The devil is ALWAYS in the details and this one is no exception.
H.R. 45 is essentially a reintroduction of H.R. 2666, which Rush introduced in 2007. H.R. 2666 contained much of the same language as H.R. 45, and was co-sponsored by several well-known anti-gun legislators—including Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors.
Here's a summary of H.R. 45:
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits:
(1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions;
(2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act;
(3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours;
(4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or
(5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to:
(1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse;
(2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and
(3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...11search.html|
So much for states rights! It will be at the Federal level.
One nifty government database at the Federal level!
BTW here's H.R. 2666
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1]
(introduced 6/11/2007) Cosponsors (16)
I was curious about the cosponsors so I share them with you:
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 7/12/2007
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 9/26/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 7/19/2007
Rep Emanuel, Rahm [IL-5] - 7/26/2007
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 9/5/2007
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 7/19/2007
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 7/26/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 7/26/2007
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 7/26/2007
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] - 11/5/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 7/12/2007
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 7/19/2007
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 7/19/2007
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] - 7/26/2007
Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 7/19/2007
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 9/5/2007
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...110query.html|
I'm quite sure that criminals with illegal guns will take this very seriously.
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People need to see how this worked in other countries. Billions of dollars went into a blackhole.
In Canada.
The registry again became a political issue in the early 2000s when massive cost overruns were reported. The project which was meant to cost approximately $119 million ended up costing over 3 billion dollars to implement. Documents obtained by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation now estimate the program cost at $2 billion.
In December 2002, the Auditor-General of Canada, Sheila Fraser, reported that the project was running vastly above initial cost estimates. The report shows that the implementation of the firearms registry program by the Department of Justice has had significant strategic and management problems throughout. Taxpayers were originally expected to pay only $2 million of the budget while registration fees would cover the rest. In 1995, the Department of Justice reported to Parliament that the system would cost $119 million to implement, and that the income generated from licensing fees would be $117 million. This gives a net cost of $2 million. At the time of the 2002 audit, the revised estimates from the Department of Justice were that the cost of the program would be more than $1 billion by 2004/05 and that the income from licence fees in the same period would be $140 million.[/b]
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They can put what ever laws in place they can dream up. They will never disarm American's. It is every redblooded Americans right to bear arms. The reason is to keep a tyrannical government at bay. The criminals do not pay attention to laws.............I guess more and more Americans will be breaking some bullshit law, writtin by little fag assed bitch men who want the government to rule over the people.
Lets see just how far these fuckers will go before the real Americans stand up and put an end to this shit.
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They can put what ever laws in place they can dream up. They will never disarm American's. It is every redblooded Americans right to bear arms. The reason is to keep a tyrannical government at bay. The criminals do not pay attention to laws.............I guess more and more Americans will be breaking some bullshit law, writtin by little fag assed bitch men who want the government to rule over the people.
Lets see just how far these fuckers will go before the real Americans stand up and put an end to this shit.
These liberal commies are really trying to provoke something.
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Thanks for the article...get on the phone and computers fellas. It is our duty as citizens to make sure our representatives here what we think. Gun control is stupid...criminals by definition don't follow the law.
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I'm surprised they didn't put another AWB in the stimulus.
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I'm surprised they didn't put another AWB in the stimulus.
Its coming. Dont worry.
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While I, like many others, write our representatives and Senators about legislation; also believe it will be a bloody day in America when/if they try to come for our guns. I really do hope that people won't put up with that.
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While I, like many others, write our representatives and Senators about legislation; also believe it will be a bloody day in America when/if they try to come for our guns. I really do hope that people won't put up with that.
It will only take a few jack boots going down like Waco for the govt to realize that people are going to fight back.
There is not going to be any type of "Custers last stand" type of crap. But if only 1% of gun owners refuse and say 1% of that actually shoot back, that still is a lot of craziness right there.
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Exactly...too bad more people won't wake up to what the government is doing though. It'd be great to see a guy on the local news say "Come and get them!"
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Whats amazing is that Waco I think was friendly fire and was covered up and the first shits were fired by the ATF.
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Whats amazing is that Waco I think was friendly fire and was covered up and the first shits were fired by the ATF.
ha ha
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ha ha
I really believe that Obama is looking for a Waco or OKC moment to blame everything on gun owners and "fringe right wing groups"
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Whats amazing is that Waco I think was friendly fire and was covered up and the first shits were fired by the ATF.
I never site WACO as the defining moment of heavy handed law enforcement. The ATF agents did many things wrong but where engaged by heavy weapons fire to include M-60's. They should have gotten him while he was off the compound but the DOJ was adamant about getting him..good job Janet Reno. Ruby Ridge was waaaay more fucked up and goes to the heart of the gun issue.
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I never site WACO as the defining moment of heavy handed law enforcement. The ATF agents did many things wrong but where engaged by heavy weapons fire to include M-60's. They should have gotten him while he was off the compound but the DOJ was adamant about getting him..good job Janet Reno. Ruby Ridge was waaaay more fucked up and goes to the heart of the gun issue.
WACO was screwed up because they could have cut off water and electricity and waited it out.
Ruby Ridge was a disaster because they went in guns blazing on a minor thing and unecessary deaths.
Also, the ATF fired the first shots from what I remember in WACO.
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Did any of you bother to read the article?
Because from what I can see, it's basically about keeping track of the guns and not about banning guns altogether.
What's wrong with that?
If someone is convicted all his guns gets taken away.
Shouldn't NRA welcome stricter control and rather focus on fighting gun bans and similar shit?
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Did any of you bother to read the article?
Because from what I can see, it's basically about keeping track of the guns and not about banning guns altogether.
What's wrong with that?
If someone is convicted all his guns gets taken away.
Shouldn't NRA welcome stricter control and rather focus on fighting gun bans and similar shit?
Did you actually bother to read my post? It's a money pit.
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Did you actually bother to read my post? It's a money pit.
your post was about the only one making sense.
Legit concern IMHO.
Is the system gonna be identical to Canadas though?
What benefits - if any - did they get from it?
Perhaps there is an evaluation of their system available?
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There are 2nd Amedment violations all over the place in this..no way it gets past. Anybody catch the sponser...oh yeah ex Black Panther...went to the can for..................... ...fire arms violations.....yet another liberal douchebag.
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Shouldn't NRA welcome stricter control and rather focus on fighting gun bans and similar shit?
No.
Just as with other controls - this makes it so that it only takes a stroke of a pen to create new legislation that could lead to gun bans.
You can't ban them without a list of owners, ya know?
Just like you couldn't set up a highly monitored society without cameras on every corner and RFID chips in people, which is why ppl strongly oppose those. If you allow for those pieces to be put in place, it only takes one event (real or manufactured) to spurn legislation that makes the place suck.
I'd be fine with registation altogether if I had a guarantee that gun bans would never come. But we don't have that guarantee, do we? And, in every country in the world where a ban took place, there was always a registration move before the ban. NRA, GAO, and others are wise enough to know this. They don't *trust* any positician to *do the right thing*. Hell, Bush okay'd a gun ban in new orleans after katrina, remember?
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Yeah, we really want a constant tax on weapons and ammo as well as some douche bag looking at our medical records.
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No.
Just as with other controls - this makes it so that it only takes a stroke of a pen to create new legislation that could lead to gun bans.
You can't ban them without a list of owners, ya know?
Just like you couldn't set up a highly monitored society without cameras on every corner and RFID chips in people, which is why ppl strongly oppose those. If you allow for those pieces to be put in place, it only takes one event (real or manufactured) to spurn legislation that makes the place suck.
I'd be fine with registation altogether if I had a guarantee that gun bans would never come. But we don't have that guarantee, do we? And, in every country in the world where a ban took place, there was always a registration move before the ban. NRA, GAO, and others are wise enough to know this. They don't *trust* any positician to *do the right thing*. Hell, Bush okay'd a gun ban in new orleans after katrina, remember?
You seem to know this issue a hell lot better than me.
I just see it as NRA should support any legislation that would keep some control on guns.
Since it is in their interest - I guess - that guns are used by responsible owners.
I see your concern though.
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No.
Just as with other controls - this makes it so that it only takes a stroke of a pen to create new legislation that could lead to gun bans.
You can't ban them without a list of owners, ya know?
Just like you couldn't set up a highly monitored society without cameras on every corner and RFID chips in people, which is why ppl strongly oppose those. If you allow for those pieces to be put in place, it only takes one event (real or manufactured) to spurn legislation that makes the place suck.
I'd be fine with registation altogether if I had a guarantee that gun bans would never come. But we don't have that guarantee, do we? And, in every country in the world where a ban took place, there was always a registration move before the ban. NRA, GAO, and others are wise enough to know this. They don't *trust* any positician to *do the right thing*. Hell, Bush okay'd a gun ban in new orleans after katrina, remember?
240 is right.
There have 2 attempts at guns bans in Canad in the last 4 years.
In 2005 the liberals ran an election on banning handguns and in 2008 the ran on banning semi-automatic weapons.
It is only a matter of time before guns are banned in Canada, unless the registry is removed.
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240 is right.
Quoted for rare truth :)
I just see it as NRA should support any legislation that would keep some control on guns.
Since it is in their interest - I guess - that guns are used by responsible owners.
The NRA is all for stringing up and hanging people who break the law with guns. The 'anti-gun" people are not. This is the difference. Enforce the laws we have, you lock the criminals up for 40 years for pointing a weapon at another person.
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Makes me mad to see this sneaky crap. I can understand basic regulations, but this is total control and fascist almost.
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240 is right.
There have 2 attempts at guns bans in Canad in the last 4 years.
In 2005 the liberals ran an election on banning handguns and in 2008 the ran on banning semi-automatic weapons.
It is only a matter of time before guns are banned in Canada, unless the registry is removed.
Did the Canadian Federal Government at the time actually write up legislation to ban handguns and semi automatics? Was there a vote?
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Did the Federal Government at the time actually write up legislation to ban handguns and semi automatics? Was there a vote?
Check out my post on the free speech assualt coming next.
I am sure they have the bills already written and ready to be dusted off for Obama's signature.
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Check out my post on the free speech assualt coming next.
I am sure they have the bills already written and ready to be dusted off for Obama's signature.
I know there was a huge outcry at the amount of money that went into a blackhole regarding gun registry program in Canada but this is the first I heard about legislation that intended to ban handguns and semi automatics. I personally think that they are just trying to scam money more than anything else, for now anyway.
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I know there was a huge outcry at the amount of money that went into a blackhole regarding gun registry program in Canada but this is the first I heard about legislation that intended to ban handguns and semi automatics. I personally think that they are just trying to scam money more than anything else, for now anyway.
We are next. Obama and Queen Pelosi know they have one year to get all this through.
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In California they keep records on who has what guns. If you move into the state you are suppose to declare through a licensed gun dealer what you have. Also, the gvt has to ok all gun sales, and you have to do it also through a licensed dealer.
Of course, the dealers typically charge a $45 "paperwork fee".....
Lots of people forget though... :)
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