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I'd rather have Vick than Alex Smith. They must be worried about PETA protests. ::)
Smith still in the mix for 49ers, but Vick out
Tom FitzGerald, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
(02-17) 21:55 PST -- Alex Smith hasn't been given up for dead by the 49ers, but they have ruled out another quarterback who was once the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft: Michael Vick.
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"The 49ers have no interest in Michael Vick," a team spokesman said Tuesday night.
On Monday night, coach Mike Singletary did not rule out a trade for the imprisoned Vick. "We have to sit down and talk about that," he said. "But for right now, we have enough on our plates."
After addressing season-ticket holders at a "state of the franchise" affair in San Mateo, he said club executives to this point have not talked about Vick "in great detail."
Team President Jed York indicated to The Chronicle on Tuesday afternoon that a deal for Vick was "not something we're looking at," but he didn't rule it out, either.
Asked about the public-relations fallout that would probably follow any team's acquisition of Vick, York said, "I don't know if he has completely paid his debt to society, but considering the money he has lost and the time he has spent in prison, he has certainly paid part of that debt." At the moment, he said, "It's not something we're looking at."
Over the next few hours, however, the 49ers decided to make it clear that they won't go after Vick, period. He is scheduled to be released July 20 after serving a 23-month sentence - minus time off for good behavior - on federal dog-fighting conspiracy charges.
The NFL hasn't ruled when Vick would be eligible to return to action, but the Falcons have said they intend to trade his rights. He was indefinitely suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in 2007 and has not yet applied for re-instatement, league spokesman Greg Aiello said Tuesday.
Vick is out of the 49ers' picture, but Smith is very much back in it, although he will have to accept a substantial pay cut for the privilege.
Though Shaun Hill, the 49ers' incumbent, is 7-3 as a starter, including a nice second half of the 2008 season, the 49ers insist there's going to be a race for the starting spot.
"I definitely think Alex can pan out in this league, whether it's with us or somebody else," York said. "He has showed that it's not about the money with him. He wants to prove that he can be a good player."
At the San Mateo function, general manager Scot McCloughan said discussions with Smith's agent to reduce his scheduled $9.625 million base salary for 2009 are going well. Smith's contract also calls for slightly more than $15 million in 2010.
Smith missed all of last season as a result of a recurrence of shoulder problems and underwent surgery but he'll compete with Hill for the starting job, Singletary said.
Left out of the equation is ex-49er Jeff Garcia, who turns 39 next week and is about to be released by Tampa Bay. Singletary indicated he doubted Garcia would be an improvement over Hill. It also is considered highly unlikely that the 49ers would use their No. 10 overall draft pick on a quarterback because they have so many other pressing needs.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/17/SPM915VLD9.DTL&type=49ers
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What do you think about the recent moves by Singletary Beach?
- The new OC?
- Letting Martz go?
- Focusing on a ball control run first offense?
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What do you think about the recent moves by Singletary Beach?
- The new OC?
- Letting Martz go?
- Focusing on a ball control run first offense?
I don't really know much about the new offensive coordinator, but I was actually okay with Martz. The only really bad decision he made was starting O'Sullivan. Other than that, the offense was much improved on his watch.
I don't think we have the horses to run a ball control offense. O-line isn't good enough. Gore shouldn't become a 25-30 carry back with his injury history. We should run the West Coast Offense IMO.
Overall, I'm willing to give Singletary a year before really having a firm opinion about him. I want to see what he does in free agency, the draft, etc. I don't like the idea of keeping Alex Smith.
What do you think?
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I don't really know much about the new offensive coordinator, but I was actually okay with Martz. The only really bad decision he made was starting O'Sullivan. Other than that, the offense was much improved on his watch.
I don't think we have the horses to run a ball control offense. O-line isn't good enough. Gore shouldn't become a 25-30 carry back with his injury history. We should run the West Coast Offense IMO.
Overall, I'm willing to give Singletary a year before really having a firm opinion about him. I want to see what he does in free agency, the draft, etc. I don't like the idea of keeping Alex Smith.
What do you think?
I agree with most of what you say. I think the O-line is the key no matter what offense we run. I'm not sold on Singletary but he did get wins in his interm and I am willing to see what happens next year.
I ball control offense run oriented offense would need 2 good backs. We have only one.
I would take Vick over Smith any day ;D
I liked Martz, from what i remember Singletary came to him a said, "I want to run the ball more" and then fired him.
If you go to http://www.knbr.com/pages/landing?app=podcast&podcastID=2293 (http://www.knbr.com/pages/landing?app=podcast&podcastID=2293) and scroll down to Steve Young Jan 14th broadcast he gives some great insight on Qb development. He either talks about why Martz might have had O'Sullivan starting in that one or in the one the week before.
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has the once proud 49ers organization fallen so far that they are willing to sign a dog killer :o
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has the once proud 49ers organization fallen so far that they are willing to sign a dog killer :o
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lol, money knows no morals
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lol, money knows no morals
i really hope nobody signs him
it will be a PR nightmare for the team that does
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I agree with most of what you say. I think the O-line is the key no matter what offense we run. I'm not sold on Singletary but he did get wins in his interm and I am willing to see what happens next year.
I ball control offense run oriented offense would need 2 good backs. We have only one.
I would take Vick over Smith any day ;D
I liked Martz, from what i remember Singletary came to him a said, "I want to run the ball more" and then fired him.
If you go to http://www.knbr.com/pages/landing?app=podcast&podcastID=2293 (http://www.knbr.com/pages/landing?app=podcast&podcastID=2293) and scroll down to Steve Young Jan 14th broadcast he gives some great insight on Qb development. He either talks about why Martz might have had O'Sullivan starting in that one or in the one the week before.
Foster is a good backup RB, but both he and Gore are huge injury risks.
I think Singletary didn't really trust Martz. Threw him under the bus after one game last year (not cool).
Where do you think they should go in the draft? I haven't been following prospects (outside of UH), but seems like OT, DE, CB, and WR are the biggest needs. We need a QB, but I'm not sold on Sanchez at no. 10. Plus we have too much money tied up on that position if we keep Smith.
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i really hope nobody signs him
it will be a PR nightmare for the team that does
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I doubt it. There will be protests by PETA. Some people will boo. But when he starts running all over the field and winning football games again fans will cheer and the protests will eventually fade. If NFL fans forgave a person like Michael Irvin (and the NFL player who actually killed someone) they'll certainly forgive Vick . . . eventually.
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I doubt it. There will be protests by PETA. Some people will boo. But when he starts running all over the field and winning football games again fans will cheer and the protests will eventually fade. If NFL fans forgave a person like Michael Irvin (and the NFL player who actually killed someone) they'll certainly forgive Vick . . . eventually.
this is a nation of dog lovers, many people value a dog's life more than a human being
irvin didn't kill anybody, he was a drug addict
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this is a nation of dog lovers, many people value a dog's life more than a human being
irvin didn't kill anybody, he was a drug addict
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It's also a nation of very forgiving people, especially sports fans. They'll get over it. I'm sure there are plenty of fans like me who think he paid his debt to society and should be allowed to play again. And sports fans really get amnesia when an athlete helps their team win.
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It's also a nation of very forgiving people, especially sports fans. They'll get over it. I'm sure there are plenty of fans like me who think he paid his debt to society and should be allowed to play again. And sports fans really get amnesia when an athlete helps their team win.
i don't think people will forgive him for this and he won't help any team win
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i don't think people will forgive him for this and he won't help any team win
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We'll see.
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i really hope nobody signs him
it will be a PR nightmare for the team that does
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Exactly. Just begging for bad pr right there....and no to Vick. I want a QB under center, not another rb.
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Foster is a good backup RB, but both he and Gore are huge injury risks.
I think Singletary didn't really trust Martz. Threw him under the bus after one game last year (not cool).
Where do you think they should go in the draft? I haven't been following prospects (outside of UH), but seems like OT, DE, CB, and WR are the biggest needs. We need a QB, but I'm not sold on Sanchez at no. 10. Plus we have too much money tied up on that position if we keep Smith.
they need to pick the best OL they can IMO. Anyone of the top 4 they can get with their pick is fine. I doubt all will go in the first 9.
I say get rid of smith if the salary doesn't cost too much against the cap
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they need to pick the best OL they can IMO. Anyone of the top 4 they can get with their pick is fine. I doubt all will go in the first 9.
I say get rid of smith if the salary doesn't cost too much against the cap
I agree. Only way I wouldn't got OT at no. 10 is if Crabtree falls.