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Title: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Method101 on February 19, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
I'm not sure if i will ever try a cycle, i must admit though i do wonder what its like to train with them.
It seems like the people who suffer badly after taking steroids didn't really know what they were doing to begin with, the only issue would be getting them and the price, even though they are legal to import for personal use in the UK.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Bobby on February 19, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
certainly don't want bitchtits, so no juicy
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: TacoBell on February 19, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
In one breath I will say teh juice is teh awesome.
In the other I will say most people are in for some serious disappointment.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Earl1972 on February 19, 2009, 04:52:49 PM

In the other I will say most people are in for some serious disappointment.

how so?

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Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 19, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
Don't think so

I actually had a dream about injecting them though.  :P
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: affeman on February 19, 2009, 04:58:25 PM
I was on the sauce, shot 2 Test cycles and am done with that shit forever. I can only keenly recommend anyone who hasn't done it yet, don't even start. Starting is way easier than quitting, and it won't make your lives better.

But some bad experiences everybody has to make on his own I guess. I'm sure you haven't listened to your parents telling you that alcohol is shit either. :P
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: TacoBell on February 19, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
how so?

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Because, with the exception of very few (think Levrone  ;)), its not 'the magic' people expect.
All thats really gonna happen is you become a bigger version of yourself.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: burn2live on February 19, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Definitely consider it
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Earl1972 on February 19, 2009, 05:06:58 PM

All thats really gonna happen is you become a bigger version of yourself.


isn't that normally what people expect?

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Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: TacoBell on February 19, 2009, 05:13:23 PM
isn't that normally what people expect?

E

no, too many people expect magic, they expect to go from nothing to something
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on February 19, 2009, 05:16:32 PM
I was on the sauce, shot 2 Test cycles and am done with that shit forever. I can only keenly recommend anyone who hasn't done it yet, don't even start. Starting is way easier than quitting, and it won't make your lives better.

But some bad experiences everybody has to make on his own I guess. I'm sure you haven't listened to your parents telling you that alcohol is shit either. :P
Good advice right there
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: BigIronPete on February 19, 2009, 05:17:55 PM
Hit the juice as soon as you can. It will make you supermen in the gym. Trust me.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: jr on February 19, 2009, 10:53:51 PM
I was on the sauce, shot 2 Test cycles and am done with that shit forever. I can only keenly recommend anyone who hasn't done it yet, don't even start. Starting is way easier than quitting, and it won't make your lives better.

But some bad experiences everybody has to make on his own I guess. I'm sure you haven't listened to your parents telling you that alcohol is shit either. :P

What's it like? What was the good and the bad of your experience with steroids? Did you make good gains.

I would only try steroids if I had to go on testosterone prescribed by a doctor for a legitamate medical reason.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Method101 on February 19, 2009, 11:57:28 PM
no, too many people expect magic, they expect to go from nothing to something
It's impossible to predict how people will respond, it makes you wonder.. there could be some "hyper responders" on this forum similar to Levrone... if you do a cycle and you think the gains you made were not worth the money etc. then don't do it again, but if you respond very well then maybe it's worth rolling with it for awhile. Though i obviously wouldn't take them untill i thought ide reached my natural potential already.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 12:17:23 AM
i'll never do it.

It's stupid and unnecessary.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: calfzilla on February 20, 2009, 02:25:53 AM
I'd hit inject it! 
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: kiwiol on February 20, 2009, 02:41:36 AM
i'll never do it.

It's stupid and unnecessary.

Ditto. I can see the justification in doing it if you are seriously competing in bodybuilding contests. But the average gym rat who juices to get 17" - 18" arms and weigh around 200 lb at 12% body fat is just being lazy and taking a shortcut, not to mention screwing up his body, cause you can get that kind of physique with about 5 - 6 years of intense, dedicated lifting. You can even surpass those numbers if you have better-than-average genetics.

To each their own, of course.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: lovemonkey on February 20, 2009, 02:43:08 AM
i'll never do it.

It's stupid and unnecessary.

IM GONNA RIP OFF YOUR TESTICLES AND STOMP ON YOUR FACE
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on February 20, 2009, 02:44:35 AM
Ditto. I can see the justification in doing it if you are seriously competing in bodybuilding contests. But the average gym rat who juices to get 17" - 18" arms and weigh around 200 lb at 12% body fat is just being lazy and taking a shortcut, not to mention screwing up his body, cause you can get that kind of physique with about 5 - 6 years of intense, dedicated lifting. You can even surpass those numbers if you have better-than-average genetics.

To each their own, of course.

 8)

Preach it brotha!
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 02:46:58 AM
Ditto. I can see the justification in doing it if you are seriously competing in bodybuilding contests. But the average gym rat who juices to get 17" - 18" arms and weigh around 200 lb at 12% body fat is just being lazy and taking a shortcut, not to mention screwing up his body, cause you can get that kind of physique with about 5 - 6 years of intense, dedicated lifting. You can even surpass those numbers if you have better-than-average genetics.

To each their own, of course.

Agreed. Another point is that the average Jane will consider you very muscular nevertheless after a few years of lifting, and you still have all the hair, big balls and no tits. Looking at roided out freaks ed fucks up your view of muscular.

IM GONNA RIP OFF YOUR TESTICLES AND STOMP ON YOUR FACE

Ok, after that i might consider doing steroids.  ;D
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: JasonH on February 20, 2009, 02:52:27 AM
I'm not sure if i will ever try a cycle, i must admit though i do wonder what its like to train with them.
It seems like the people who suffer badly after taking steroids didn't really know what they were doing to begin with, the only issue would be getting them and the price, even though they are legal to import for personal use in the UK.

Not entirely sure this is true. You still need a prescription. And unfortunately no GP is going to give you one for steroid use.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 02:59:05 AM
Not entirely sure this is true. You still need a prescription. And unfortunately no GP is going to give you one for steroid use.

Yes, we had that debate here some time ago. Steroids are NOT legal for personal use in the UK without a valid prescription.

As ALL medication is "legal" with a valid prescription, this debate is thus over.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: mossel on February 20, 2009, 03:01:07 AM
I miss my cycles... i feel like a handicapped now, natural....


i feel a poem coming up...

oh... the smell of alcohol and deca/ sustanon...

....

?
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 03:02:15 AM
I miss my cycles... i feel like a handicapped now, natural....


i feel a poem coming up...

oh... the smell of alcohol and deca/ sustanon...

....

?

loser.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: mossel on February 20, 2009, 03:04:07 AM
That doesn't rhyme!!!
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Get Rowdy on February 20, 2009, 03:18:50 AM
Maybe one day.  First I want to get my dieting and training perfect to suit me though.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: io856 on February 20, 2009, 03:19:06 AM
must suck not looking like bodybuilders  ;)
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: mossel on February 20, 2009, 03:27:24 AM
all of this doesn't rhyme!?!!!!


Titus doesn't aprove!!!
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Balloon on February 20, 2009, 03:44:15 AM
As a natural, you gotta remember that metabolism is king

Do a ton of research into how to get ur metabolsim sky high, this will enable you to add weight without adding all the extra fat.

forget all the high carb, low carb nonsense.

Roids should never be used before developing a decent base of muscle.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: mossel on February 20, 2009, 03:45:31 AM
legalize roids free titus eat more pussy
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Balloon on February 20, 2009, 03:47:35 AM
Goudy is an example of an incredible natural with alot of strength and a super fast metabolism.

The guy with an average metabolism should focus on doing everything possible to increase it
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 20, 2009, 04:08:01 AM
Goudy is an example of an incredible natural with alot of strength and a super fast metabolism.

The guy with an average metabolism should focus on doing everything possible to increase it

 ::)  He's pretty solid overall but his legs are sorely lacking.  To say he's an "incredible natural" is an overstatement. 

As far as steroids go.........most in this thread sound like they know nothing about them, haven't been training that long nor have any experience with them.  I've done several cycles in the past 8 years.  Nothing heavy and nothing too long term.  I probably wished I never would have tried them not because of the side effects but just because they aren't necessary if you learn how to eat and train.  But most guys never learn how to eat and train efficiently nor put in the discipline necessary.  Some guys respond great and others hardly respond at all.  Some guys see all the side effects i.e. acne, hair loss, gyno etc.  Some see hardly any.  I'm in between.  I see hardly any side effects except for maybe some bloat and I'm slightly more tempermental and my sex drive goes crazy.  But I also don't blow up on roids either.  I have  enough cycles under my belt to realize that working out under the influence of steroids is completely different than training naturally.  The pumps in the gym don't even compare to when you're on steroids.  Strength gains go up exponentially too.  And the sex drive thing........lmao some of the best sex I've ever had has been when I was on.  Hell even a few weeks of proviron turns you into a lion. 
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 04:10:22 AM
::)  He's pretty solid overall but his legs are sorely lacking.  To say he's an "incredible natural" is an overstatement. 

As far as steroids go.........most in this thread sound like they know nothing about them, haven't been training that long nor have any experience with them.  I've done several cycles in the past 8 years.  Nothing heavy and nothing too long term.  I probably wished I never would have tried them not because of the side effects but just because they aren't necessary if you learn how to eat and trainBut most guys never learn how to eat and train efficiently nor put in the discipline necessary.  Some guys respond great and others hardly respond at all.  Some guys see all the side effects i.e. acne, hair loss, gyno etc.  Some see hardly any.  I'm in between.  I see hardly any side effects except for maybe some bloat and I'm slightly more tempermental and my sex drive goes crazy.  But I also don't blow up on roids either.  I have  enough cycles under my belt to realize that working out under the influence of steroids is completely different than training naturally.  The pumps in the gym don't even compare to when you're on steroids.  Strength gains go up exponentially too.  And the sex drive thing........lmao some of the best sex I've ever had has been when I was on.  Hell even a few weeks of proviron turns you into a lion. 

Finally a roid user who admits it.

For the average Joe: Steroids = waste of money and health.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:18:08 AM
I use,its no big deal,I look like I use,many people I know who use dont even look like they lift weights,let alone juice,so I am happy enough with what i doin
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 04:20:15 AM
I use,its no big deal,I look like I use,many people I know who use dont even look like they lift weights,let alone juice,so I am happy enough with what i doin

That happens when you juice and have no clue about nutrition and training. Sebastian is a prime example.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:23:04 AM
Precisely,too many people think that just looking at the needle will make them look like a bodybuilder
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 20, 2009, 04:25:30 AM
Finally a roid user who admits it.

For the average Joe: Steroids = waste of money and health.

Well the health issue is WAY overrated.  In fact as you age i.e. 35+ there are some health promoting aspects to steroid use.  I'm talking conservative cycles say 500-600mgs of test a week.  Men's go through andropause like women go through menopause.  Also men start to see significant decreases in test levels after age 30.  Bottomline is you can do EVERYTHING perfect as a natural trainee you'll still NEVER look close to a steroid using bodybuilder.  You'llbe impressive and maybe look better than 3/4 of the population but you'll NEVER come close to looking like the guys in the magazines.  I'm not talking probodybuilders.....I'm talking those full, tight, shredded muscles. 
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:27:37 AM
Steroid use=Safe
Steroid abuse=Unsafe
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 04:30:23 AM
Well the health issue is WAY overrated.  In fact as you age i.e. 35+ there are some health promoting aspects to steroid use.  I'm talking conservative cycles say 500-600mgs of test a week.  Men's go through andropause like women go through menopause.  Also men start to see significant decreases in test levels after age 30.  Bottomline is you can do EVERYTHING perfect as a natural trainee you'll still NEVER look close to a steroid using bodybuilder.  You'llbe impressive and maybe look better than 3/4 of the population but you'll NEVER come close to looking like the guys in the magazines.  I'm not talking probodybuilders.....I'm talking those full, tight, shredded muscles. 

Who gives?

Most people think these guys are muscular...  ::) ::)

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/GB/FP1961~David-Beckham-Posters.jpg)

(http://artofmanliness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/matthew-mcconaughey-400a052207.jpg)

(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/02/01-07/surf-shirtless-letterman-matthew_mcconaughey_4.jpg)
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
Most people think these two are Muscular...
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Balloon on February 20, 2009, 04:34:51 AM
Well the health issue is WAY overrated.  In fact as you age i.e. 35+ there are some health promoting aspects to steroid use.  I'm talking conservative cycles say 500-600mgs of test a week.  Men's go through andropause like women go through menopause.  Also men start to see significant decreases in test levels after age 30.  Bottomline is you can do EVERYTHING perfect as a natural trainee you'll still NEVER look close to a steroid using bodybuilder.  You'llbe impressive and maybe look better than 3/4 of the population but you'll NEVER come close to looking like the guys in the magazines.  I'm not talking probodybuilders.....I'm talking those full, tight, shredded muscles. 
A large natural with a low bodyfat when pumped can achieve that look, but when the pump goes, they don't have the constant fullness of a user.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: lovemonkey on February 20, 2009, 04:44:05 AM
Who gives?

Most people think these guys are muscular...  ::) ::)

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/GB/FP1961~David-Beckham-Posters.jpg)

Epic T-rex arms. But hes got a bigger wallet than me, so he wins.  >:(
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:45:19 AM
Beckham is a spoilt child
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 04:46:28 AM
Beckham is a spoilt child

beckham is an idiot, but a rich idiot.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:48:08 AM
Yeah but he married too young,lots of girls would love to fuck him but he cant cos he'll get caught,he shudve stayed single
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: spinnis on February 20, 2009, 04:54:06 AM
yes
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Method101 on February 20, 2009, 04:54:38 AM
Yes, we had that debate here some time ago. Steroids are NOT legal for personal use in the UK without a valid prescription.

As ALL medication is "legal" with a valid prescription, this debate is thus over.
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly.

If you can prove that the amount of substances you have in your possession is just for your own personal use not to sell then the police don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 04:56:08 AM
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly.

If you can prove that the amount of substances you have in your possession is just for your own personal use not to sell then the police don't give a fuck.

They will confiscate the roids, but you won't get sued. Not quite "legal", right?
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Method101 on February 20, 2009, 04:56:55 AM
legalize roids free titus eat more pussy

Send titus into Iraq and he would end terrorism and achieve world peace in a matter of days.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 04:57:20 AM
In Ireland and UK personal use is ok,nobody gives a fuck,yes they MIGHT get confiscated,but not by cops,by the Irish/UK medicines board,and it will go no further
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Method101 on February 20, 2009, 05:00:22 AM
They will confiscate the roids, but you won't get sued. Not quite "legal", right?
if your smart the police will never know your taking roids of find them anyway.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 05:02:07 AM
In Ireland and UK personal use is ok,nobody gives a fuck,yes they MIGHT get confiscated,but not by cops,by the Irish/UK medicines board,and it will go no further

Well anyways, you don't walk around with y whole cycle in the pocket all the time, right? Who cares if they take a vial or two.

if your smart the police will never know your taking roids of find them anyway.

Like Sebastian? Nobody would think he did roids, probably the Police would give him some out of sympathy if he claimed to be a bodybuilder.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Meso_z on February 20, 2009, 05:18:07 AM
no, too many people expect magic, they expect to go from nothing to something

SO FUCKING TRUE. GOLDEN POST
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Meso_z on February 20, 2009, 05:20:58 AM
Most people think these two are Muscular...

"QuakerOats" would praise the taller guy though, because hes fat. He always does this.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 05:25:45 AM
Well anyways, you don't walk around with y whole cycle in the pocket all the time, right? Who cares if they take a vial or two.
Haha my whole cycle consists of two vials...20ml vials though...Wildcat
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 05:27:17 AM
"QuakerOats" would praise the taller guy though, because hes fat. He always does this.
Haha,man that guys a powerlifter,we were only fuckin around taking pics yesterday morning
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: JasonH on February 20, 2009, 05:27:32 AM
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly.

If you can prove that the amount of substances you have in your possession is just for your own personal use not to sell then the police don't give a fuck.

Yes, but how do you go about "proving" that? Because I can't think of a way - unless you can suddenly magic up a prescription out your pocket.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 05:29:32 AM
Yes, but how do you go about "proving" that? Because I can't think of a way - unless you can suddenly magic up a prescription out your pocket.
Take it in front of them...that'll prove everything  ;D
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 05:31:50 AM
Take it in front of them...that'll prove everything  ;D

Yes, all of it.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: musclehedz on February 20, 2009, 05:33:58 AM
Don't do them unless you want yourself killed.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 05:34:48 AM
Very very very few people die from steroid use
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: spinnis on February 20, 2009, 05:35:52 AM
Very very very few people die from steroid use

No one dies from use.


A few may die from Abuse.

Same with Water lol.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 05:36:07 AM
Very very very few people die from steroid use

Don't fall into the trap, "musclehedz" is an idiot who's life circles around steroids.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 05:37:16 AM
Ok DonkeyKong,I thought he was being serious
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: JasonH on February 20, 2009, 05:37:32 AM
Don't do them unless you want yourself killed.

I haven't heard of anybody who's ever died as a direct result of steroid use. I'm pretty sure there are youngish people who've died of heart attacks in the gym but nothing that can be tied down to actually using gear.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DK II on February 20, 2009, 05:42:27 AM
Ok DonkeyKong,I thought he was being serious

He is serious. Seriously retarded that is.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: mossel on February 20, 2009, 07:57:21 AM
(http://s5.tinypic.com/2vci62v.jpg)

mmmm... deca.... test.... mmmmmm.... dbol..... mmmmmmmm...... wini.... prop.... T3.... mmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: jr on February 20, 2009, 03:44:16 PM
(http://s5.tinypic.com/2vci62v.jpg)

mmmm... deca.... test.... mmmmmm.... dbol..... mmmmmmmm...... wini.... prop.... T3.... mmmmmmmm....

Why does Homer have cum on his lips, is this part of the bodybuilding lifestyle?
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 20, 2009, 03:46:45 PM
Why does Homer have cum on his lips, is this part of the bodybuilding lifestyle?
Yes,a part we call the 'part we do not speak of'
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 20, 2009, 04:02:04 PM
Do a ton of research into how to get ur metabolsim sky high

Sounds like you have the million dollar secret! How do you get your metabolism sky high without drugs?
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: ManBearPig... on February 20, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Sounds like you have the million dollar secret! How do you get your metabolism sky high without drugs?

one word: bananas.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on February 20, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
I'm already on drugs..and I'm planning on to continue using them  :)
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 20, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
No one dies from use.


A few may die from Abuse.

Same with Water lol.

Is death the only thing that scares anyone anymore?  What about the inability to get a hard on naturally ever again? Massive bouts of depression?
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 20, 2009, 05:33:17 PM
Is death the only thing that scares anyone anymore?  What about the inability to get a hard on naturally ever again? Massive bouts of depression?
True. Many frequent users seem to have dick issues. It really sucked before they invented viagra. I'd rather be a bit smaller and have everything function properly.
Title: Re: are you ever gonna go on the juice?
Post by: DeketheCreep on February 20, 2009, 05:41:05 PM
my freind just got busted and I dont wanna go to jail,so no.

http://www.roidreport.com/steroids/archives/260