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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on February 23, 2009, 05:24:29 PM
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i plan on doing a test only cycle, like 600mg per week for 12-15 weeks or so. Would starting the first 4 weeks with test prop 50mg, MWF, help the gains at first? Maybe do 4 weeks of test prop then add the 600mg/per week starting arond week 3?
anyone have any advice?
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Run the prop @ 600mg ew for the first 3-4 weeks. Drop it as the enanthate kicks in. Front loading does work it is like using an oil instead of an oral for the first weeks in.
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run the prop at 600 per week?
200mg EOD? seems like a lot.
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200mg prop m-w-f for 4 weeks should be enough for a good kickstart until the enanthate starts to take effect
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start them both at the same time then?
how bout this?
weeks
1-4 : (100mg prop EOD), plus 300 test E
weekd 5-15: 600mg test e weekly
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start them both at the same time then?
how bout this?
weeks
1-4 : (100mg prop EOD), plus 300 test E
weekd 5-15: 600mg test e weekly
You need to have the Enanthate at 600 the whole time. Otherwise you're going to have to wait 3-4 weeks again for that second 300 to kick in again starting at week 5. Defeats the purpose of what you're trying to do.
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start them both at the same time then?
how bout this?
weeks
1-4 : (100mg prop EOD), plus 300 test E
weekd 5-15: 600mg test e weekly
i would do
1-4: 200mg prop MWF, 200mg E MWF
5-whatever: 200mg E MWF
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run the prop at 600 per week?
200mg EOD? seems like a lot.
I run 200mg Prop ED with 100 mg of Tren ED? It's not that much.
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i would start out with little higher test levels to get it going if your looking to jumostart, if not, i would just run test e or cyp for 16-20 wks and run it at a consistant amount. if your afraid of losing balls, take hcg throughout too.
you could also run sust which youll see some of the gains earlier with the short esters in the sust. i personally hav switched from test e to sust. i love thi sstuff
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Run the prop @ 600mg ew for the first 3-4 weeks. Drop it as the enanthate kicks in.
this is ridiculous
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this is how one would properly front load=
The above cycle illustrates testosterone enanthate administered at 250 milligrams every three days; with and without a front load. The front loaded portion was accurately configured and applied with 500 milligrams on day one, 250 milligrams on day two, a day off and then 250 milligrams every third day for the cycle’s duration. The front load is 1000 milligrams within the first four days - almost twice the weekly administered amount (583mg). Blood testosterone volume is immediately elevated and reasonably stable the first week with the front load.
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this is ridiculous
The only thing ridiculous in this thread is you kid! :)
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even if I don't frontload, I see the enanthate kicking in after only 2-3 days
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ok, but that graft does not help me...
i want to front load with test prop for 3-4 weeks, then cruise off of 600mg test e for 10 more weeks...
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ok, but that graft does not help me...
i want to front load with test prop for 3-4 weeks, then cruise off of 600mg test e for 10 more weeks...
personnally I would take the prop after the enanthate so when you are off you can go straight to PCT after 2 days
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why?
so what if i have to wait for PCT for 2 weeks? whats the difference?
wouldn;t you rather have it in the beginning to make more rapid gains, then ADD to those gains with the ten weeks of test e 600mg?
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why?
so what if i have to wait for PCT for 2 weeks? whats the difference?
wouldn;t you rather have it in the beginning to make more rapid gains, then ADD to those gains with the ten weeks of test e 600mg?
well it all depends on when you next cycle is, but I like it better when the recovery starts right after the cycle so I can get back on as soon as possible
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but in terms of adding mass, you agree that frontloading with prop will be better, right?
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but in terms of adding mass, you agree that frontloading with prop will be better, right?
I don't realy agree with frontloading, no.
I always up the dosage every few weeks but I never frontload. I don't see the point.
when I inject enanthate I feel it very soon so why frontload
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ok, but that graft does not help me...
i want to front load with test prop for 3-4 weeks, then cruise off of 600mg test e for 10 more weeks...
frontload with the enanthate. the paragraph completely explains it. the graph shows it.
the front load described by 4th will not give you steady blood levels at all. youll be going from 600mg up and up and up untill ad up untill you hit 1200mg per week then dropping back down to 600mg .
do it the way warrior outlines i posted above, if your going to do it at all.
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heres how you would do it, if you cant read it and decipher it on your own =
day one = 500mg of enanthate
day two = 250mg of enanthate
day three = off
day four = 250mg enanthate
5
6
7 = 250
8
9
10= 250
then continue doing 250 ever 3rd day for the duration of the cycle..... this will give you a cycle at 583 mg per week.
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heres how you would do it, if you cant read it and decipher it on your own =
day one = 500mg of enanthate
day two = 250mg of enanthate
day three = off
day four = 250mg enanthate
5
6
7 = 250
8
9
10= 250
then continue doing 250 ever 3rd day for the duration of the cycle..... this will give you a cycle at 583 mg per week.
sorry man, but you lost all credibility with me by saying that dietary cholesterol has no effect whatsoever on blood levels... can't take any more of your advice as you have proved to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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it not my advice, its advice from this website =
http://www.warriorfx.com/
and heres the thread=
http://www.warriorfx.com/2007/07/front-loading-steroid-cycles/#more-67
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To answer your mass gaining question, no, front loading is not going to make a difference at all. Sorry it doesn't work this way.
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please explain.
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please explain.
You said.................... ........
but in terms of adding mass, you agree that frontloading with prop will be better, right?
How much mass you end up with on a cycle is not going to be determined by front loading or not. How much mass you gain "On" cycle is relative to how much food you eat, how much gear you take, how smart you train and your genetics.
How much mass you keep after the cycle once you're "Off" cycle, that is the more important question. That's why Stavios brought up finishing with propionate, because it allows for a smoother transition into being "Off" and the smoother the transition, the more successful it is, the more mass you'll keep.
As for front loading, true, you'll have a faster initial gain in mass....but odds are it's not going to be anything you wouldn't have gotten anyway.....IMO. Not saying there is anything wrong with front loading...sometimes I'll front load some extra test just to get it in my system faster to get things going. In this case it's not because it's really going to do anything for me in the long run, it's more of a mental thing and the desire to simply get the cycle going strong.
For the record, and I've said this many times, if you're using real human grade test-e or cyp, I don't care who you are or how crappy your genetics are, you should notice a difference within a wk.
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Thanks, it is HG stuff.
ok, so with that notion, backloading may help preserve more gains.... i like it.
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Thanks, it is HG stuff.
ok, so with that notion, backloading may help preserve more gains.... i like it.
No, not "backloading"..........what I was talking about here was simply switching over to a short ester test the last few wks of the cycle. For example, if you had a 16wk cycle, you would run test-e the first 12wks and prop the last 4wks......keeping the dose close to the same throughout....maybe slightly less those last 4wks but nothing dramatic.
Do you "have" to do this? No, it's not going to change the world or anything, but it can be helpful.
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excellent, thanks.
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does anyone know here if low testosterone levels can cause unbalance problems and fatigue
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does anyone know here if low testosterone levels can cause unbalance problems and fatigue
Fatigue, yes. Unbalance, wouldn't think so. Sounds like in may be an inner ear problem.
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funny you said that, i feel unbalanced about one month after a cycle...usually goes away on its own.
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You said.................... ........
How much mass you end up with on a cycle is not going to be determined by front loading or not. How much mass you gain "On" cycle is relative to how much food you eat, how much gear you take, how smart you train and your genetics.
How much mass you keep after the cycle once you're "Off" cycle, that is the more important question. That's why Stavios brought up finishing with propionate, because it allows for a smoother transition into being "Off" and the smoother the transition, the more successful it is, the more mass you'll keep.
As for front loading, true, you'll have a faster initial gain in mass....but odds are it's not going to be anything you wouldn't have gotten anyway.....IMO. Not saying there is anything wrong with front loading...sometimes I'll front load some extra test just to get it in my system faster to get things going. In this case it's not because it's really going to do anything for me in the long run, it's more of a mental thing and the desire to simply get the cycle going strong.
For the record, and I've said this many times, if you're using real human grade test-e or cyp, I don't care who you are or how crappy your genetics are, you should notice a difference within a wk.
I agree the quicker you get through the recovery phase and your body starts making natty T at decent levels on its own the better. That is why most gains are truly lost comming all the way off gear, the recovery period is too long. When your trying to start your body going again all sorts of nasty things are going on. Estro and stress hormones such as cortisol are high and these will chew up muscle and prolong the recovery even more. The hormonal imbalance will have you down, just a terrible situation. All the while the hard earned muscle is fading fast.
I always looked at the prop at the end as a way to get a running start through the recovery period.
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I agree the quicker you get through the recovery phase and your body starts making natty T at decent levels on its own the better. That is why most gains are truly lost comming all the way off gear, the recovery period is too long. When your trying to start your body going again all sorts of nasty things are going on. Estro and stress hormones such as cortisol are high and these will chew up muscle and prolong the recovery even more. The hormonal imbalance will have you down, just a terrible situation. All the while the hard earned muscle is fading fast.
I always looked at the prop at the end as a way to get a running start through the recovery period.
agreed. Your already on TRT, you might just want to start running a real trt dose instead of doing PCT. Your test levels will remain up and you wont need to worry about t levels bottoming out.