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In the republican response to President Obama's speech, governor Jindal was terrible. He sounded phony, and he looked scared and sickly. His message was pathetic.
Maybe the dude will be ready for prime time in about 16-20 years. :-\
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I respectfully disagree. I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation. Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV. I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?" He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.
And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.
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I respectfully disagree. I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation. Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV. I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?" He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.
And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.
Well following benny's logic, since he is a republican anything he says is wrong.
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I respectfully disagree. I was pretty impressed with Jindal's speech, especially considering that at age 37 he's the youngest Governor in the nation. Honestly it was the first time I've listened to him speak on live TV. I didn't think he looked scared at all, he came across very confidently and how can you say he looked "sickly?" He's not going to win any bodybuilding contests but he's hardly sickly.
And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message--we can't look to our government for all the answers and the fixes to all our problems, the answers lie within ourselves, within We The People.
benny wasnt really listening in the first place...the left is so afraid of this guy the smearing campaign is started 4 years early.
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Considering how biased you are would you have said anything good about anyone other Republican's response?
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Bobby Jindal's Speech Panned By Pundits, Democrats, and Republicans Alike
Gov. Bobby Jindal's task tonight, to rebut President Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress, was a thankless one. But it still constituted an opportunity for the Louisiana Republican to show that he could handle the national spotlight, present himself as a fresh face of the Republican Party, and stand up to the current president oratorically.
On each of these three hurdles, he came up short. Both Democrats and Republicans alike panned Jindal's rebuttal in terms that were decidedly harsh: "amateurish," "laughable" and, most commonly, "a missed opportunity."
"After watching Jindal," one Democratic strategist emailed, "I'd pay a lot of money to be back watching a Palin speech."
"Awkward with capital A," emailed another.
The punditry was equally brutal. Part of the problem was the crux of Jindal's address, which consisted almost entirely of red meat for conservatives. The Governor offered criticism for anything other than tax cuts and ridiculed government spending for items that are either widely supported -- "$8 billion for high-speed rail" -- or seemingly essential -- "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring'" (isn't Louisiana Exhibit A in the need for natural disaster warning?).
"You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician," said New York Times columnist David Brooks, appearing on PBS, "and I oppose the stimulus because I thought it was poorly drafted. But to come up at this moment in history with a stale "government is the problem," "we can't trust the federal government" -- it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic right now. They may not like the way the Democrats have passed the stimulus bill, but that idea ... that government is going to have no role, the federal government has no role in this ... it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate."
And yet, much of the critique of Jindal's address focused on his hokey, folksy, seemingly-forced tone and vernacular. The Governor, who has never held court on the national stage before -- remember, his speech at the Republican convention was called off after Hurricane Gustav made landfall -- showed a bit of wetness behind the ears. And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.
BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."
NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."
JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.
All said, the speech was received with disappointment by conservatives who have looked to the Governor as the Republican Party's next star.
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Did you listen to what he said? I know obama puts you in a trance, but next time try listening to the CONTENT of a message.
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Did you listen to what he said? I know obama puts you in a trance, but next time try listening to the CONTENT of a message.
No he didnt
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Bobby Jindal's Speech Panned By Pundits, Democrats, and Republicans Alike
...blah blah blah...
All said, the speech was received with disappointment by conservatives who have looked to the Governor as the Republican Party's next star.
You neglected to cite your source--The Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html)
And as g.a.u. pointed out, they focused more on the delivery than the message itself. BFD. And the article quoted several Dems by name but only said his speech was "received by disappointment by conservatives" while failing to mention a single name of one such conservative. WTF??!? Are we just supposed to take their word for it or what? What kind of journalism is that? Apparently that's "Huffington Post Journalism."
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You neglected to cite your source--The Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html)
And as g.a.u. pointed out, they focused more on the delivery than the message itself. BFD. And the article quoted several Dems by name but only said his speech was "received by disappointment by conservatives" while failing to mention a single name of one such conservative. WTF??!? We're just supposed to take their word for it or what? What kind of journalism is that? Apparently that's "Huffington Post Journalism."
:P
And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.
BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."
NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."
JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.
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:P
And the commentators let him have it, even on Fox News.
BRIT HUME: "The speech read a lot better than it sounded. This was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment."
NINA EASTON: "The delivery was not exactly terrific."
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: "Jindal didn't have a chance. He follows Obama, who in making speeches, is in a league of his own. He's in a Reagan-esque league. ... [Jindal] tried the best he could."
JUAN WILLIAMS: "It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was sing-songy. He was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.
Ahh, I see. So some talking heads on Fox News critiquing Jindal's oratory style were the best The Huffington Post could come up with in terms of "conservatives" for their ridiculously slanted article. The people cited are "journalists" who are ostensibly supposed to be more or less unbiased anyway, are they not? In any case, none of those knuckleheads (whose "conservatism" is debatable at best) made the slightest mention of the content of Jindal's message, only of his speaking style. Again, I say, BFD. And even though it wasn't his best speech ever, it wasn't bad anyway. He's 37, he's very young in the political arena, and he's got nowhere to go but up.
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Ahh, I see. So some talking heads on Fox News critiquing Jindal's oratory style were the best The Huffington Post could come up with in terms of "conservatives" for their ridiculously slanted article. The people cited are "journalists" who are ostensibly supposed to be more or less unbiased anyway, are they not? In any case, none of those knuckleheads (whose "conservatism" is debatable at best) made the slightest mention of the content of Jindal's message, only of his speaking style. Again, I say, BFD. And even though it wasn't his best speech ever, it wasn't bad anyway. He's 37, he's very young in the political arena, and he's got nowhere to go but up.
Simply put...Jindal was terrible.
Palin/Jindal in '12! ;D
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jindal will own obama in any debate...uh uh uhhhehehuhuh
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He sounded like he was reading, "See Spot Run".
Awful.
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And how can you disagree with the basic gist of his message
The problem wasn't in the message - it was in the delivery.
Jindal just didn't stand out - didn't give his message a fair chance.
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In the republican response to President Obama's speech, governor Jindal was terrible. He sounded phony, and he looked scared and sickly. His message was pathetic.
Maybe the dude will be ready for prime time in about 16-20 years. :-\
Look, Jindal comes across as a nerd to me, but that is not a bad thing.
However, the lies and outright deciet in your messiah's speech was appalling.
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Look, Jindal comes across as a nerd to me, but that is not a bad thing.
However, the lies and outright deciet in your messiah's speech was appalling.
What does Obama have to do with Jindal's speech? ???
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What does Obama have to do with Jindal's speech? ???
Peter Schiff on Obama's speech:
hannel
Says Obama will destroy this country.
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Peter Schiff on Obama's speech:
hannel
Says Obama will destroy this country.
This thread was about Jindal, yet you somehow makes it into an Obama thread?
What's up with that bro?
Anyways, I think Jindal wasted a big opportunity to make a lasting impression.
The GOP may decide to go with someone else instead.
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This thread was about Jindal, yet you somehow makes it into an Obama thread?
What's up with that bro?
Anyways, I think Jindal wasted a big opportunity to make a lasting impression.
The GOP may decide to go with someone else instead.
Absolutely. We need someone with fire and balls and not afraid to call out the lies of Obama/Pelosi.
Jindal missed a huge opportunity to call out Obama/Pelosi on their flood of lies and deceit.
We need a warrior, not a poet.
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The message was fine. It was optimistic, recognized faults of republicans in the past administration, and talked about limited government and faith in the people without excessive gov control and interference.
His delivery was fair unfortunately. I have seen him much better on live interviews.
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It was a typical cookie cutter, cut along the lines, speech.
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It was a typical cookie cutter, cut along the lines, speech.
I was dissapointed with Jindals speech myself.
More of the same.
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I was dissapointed with Jindals speech myself.
More of the same.
OK, I do agree--it was a huge missed opportunity. Jindal essentially had the attention of the entire American public last night and he could have done a lot more to capitalize on the opportunity. It was too watered-down (or maybe dumbed-down?).
I didn't think his speech was "bad" per se like some people made it out to be. But it wasn't what was needed right now.
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OK, I do agree--it was a huge missed opportunity. Jindal essentially had the attention of the entire American public last night and he could have done a lot more to capitalize on the opportunity. It was too watered-down (or maybe dumbed-down?).
I didn't think his speech was "bad" per se like some people made it out to be. But it wasn't what was needed right now.
It was bad because it was a wasted opportunity.
If he presented a slide show presentation or graphics like Perot did as far as the debt, spending, etc, he would have everyone talking about it.
By giving a cookie cutter political bs speech, he just wasted time and hurt his own image.
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OK, I do agree--it was a huge missed opportunity.
I thought you were pretty impressed with his speech?
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I thought you were pretty impressed with his speech?
It was the first time I'd heard him speak on live TV (apparently last night wasn't his best speech). I did agree with his message. But 333386 made a good point that he could have done a lot more to take advantage of being in the national spotlight for a few minutes last night, and after thinking about it overnight, I agree that he could have and should have.
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What I dont understand is who do these people have prepping them for these things????
If you give people a choice between a true liberal and a liberal lite - people are going to choose the real thing every time.
Jindal needed to come of the gates with something different, bold, memorable, that would have people talking.
He needed a "WOW" moment, not just a typical, tired, boring, lifeless, factless, politiical pandering, patronizing speech.
Geez, how dumb are these people?
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And by the time Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal -- young, popular, Indian-American and, in GOP fantasies, the perfect answer to Obama in 2012 -- took to the airwaves a few minutes after Obama finished, he must have wished he was on Bourbon Street trying to catch a few Mardi Gras beads instead. Jindal delivered his rebuttal speech so quickly he seemed to be trying to get out the door to catch a ride from Baton Rouge to New Orleans before Lent began. Chirpily titled "Americans Can Do Anything," it sounded like a missive from the Land of Private Enterprise, where President Amity Shlaes welcomes you by closing down the government as soon as you arrive. In Jindal's telling, Louisiana recovered from Hurricane Katrina thanks to volunteers and local businesses, not hundreds of billions of dollars in federal aid. "The strength of America is not found in our government," Jindal said, trying to blunt the power of Obama's recitation of all that government was attempting to do to turn the country around. "[Republicans] believe the way to strengthen our country is to restrain spending in Washington, and empower individuals and small businesses to grow our economy and create jobs."
It was a speech that only Kathryn Jean Lopez could truly love. The hour-long address that Jindal was answering was far more effective, and not just because Obama read his lines better than Jindal did, or because the well of the House of Representatives makes for a better backdrop than the lobby of the Louisiana governor's mansion. The country is just now waking up, woozy, after eight years of rolling back the government's safety nets, regulatory frameworks and just about everything else that doesn't involve foreign invasions. Hardly anyone wants to hear a call for more of the same; the network instapolls after the speech showed voters responded well to Obama's version of change. And, of course, they responded even better in November.
- excerpt from Mike Madden's article in the 2/25 edition of Salon.com
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Govt spending on entitlements has gone up year after year under all administrations.
You are such a fan boy.
How many did you rub out last night BTW during that speech????
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How many did you rub out last night BTW during that speech????
Are you typically concerned with the masturbation practices of male strangers? You might want to keep that shit to yourself. :-X
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I will take that to mean at least 5 times.
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I will take that to mean at least 5 times.
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I am glad you are concerned. PM me for details on where I can send you my jizz in a bottle. For a small fee I'll send you pics, sweetie. :-*
So that is how you make your living????
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So that is how you make your living????
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MMmmmm, who REALLY flopped??
Markets down -126 7224.69
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MMmmmm, who REALLY flopped??
Markets down -126 7224.69
Judging the president on day-to-day market fluctuations? ::)
February 25, 2009
A real estate group says sales of existing homes took an unexpected plunge from December to January, falling to the lowest level in nearly 12 years as buyers waited for the government to boost the U.S housing market.
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MMmmmm, who REALLY flopped??
Markets down -126 7224.69
Both flopped.
Obama is what was envisioned in Orwell's 1984
To defeat his lies, we need a warrior and a person who has fire, brains, experience, and a willingness to let it fly.
Jindal was a disaster last night. That was no different than the Palin/Couric interview as far as impression go.
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Many journalists and economists were looking to see if the markets would have a reaction after the president's speech last night. Thats what markets typically do, they react (and they make future predictions). Benny, your really have a limited understanding bro. You gotta open your mind a bit and stop looking through the narrow left wing propaganda lens. There was no positive reaction from wall street but that should not surprise people. Obama did not tell investors anything they wanted to hear.
I think it was a good speech if you are a general person but fairly empty if you are a political junky like most of us here. Delivery- A Content- C- (very general). Obama is definitely doing the things he believes is right and he is to be admired for his ambitious programs but his approach is big government, that is very clear. I like Obama but have fundamental differences in what I believe gov should be doing.
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Look, Obama is what he is. He is never going to be a fiscally prudent person. Shit - he has never even had a real job in his life.
We need someone who can match brains for brains, style for style, and more important than anything else - PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
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Best guy I can think of right now is probably Romney. I have hopes for Jindal but I'm not sure he is a strong enough presence when speaking to the public. The general public does not watch this stuff in detail like we do. They see an impressive strong, commanding person who smiles and cracks a few jokes and they are sold...no matter what the message.
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Best guy I can think of right now is probably Romney. I have hopes for Jindal but I'm not sure he is a strong enough presence when speaking to the public. The general public does not watch this stuff in detail like we do. They see an impressive strong, commanding person who smiles and cracks a few jokes and they are sold...no matter what the message.
I voted for Romney in the primary.
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MMmmmm, who REALLY flopped??
Markets down -126 7224.69
market went up 236 yesterday, didn't it?
If you're gonna shit on obama for the monday and wednesday market performance, will you be giving him credit for the tuesday rally?
I can see shitting on a guy for long term dow trends. But blaming Obama for monday's drop (when AIG rocked the financial world by telling us they'll be DOA in weeks) is crazy.
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Many journalists and economists were looking to see if the markets would have a reaction after the president's speech last night. Thats what markets typically do, they react (and they make future predictions). Benny, your really have a limited understanding bro. You gotta open your mind a bit and stop looking through the narrow left wing propaganda lens. There was no positive reaction from wall street but that should not surprise people. Obama did not tell investors anything they wanted to hear.
A CFA charter, MBA, and 10+ years on Wall Street and the financial sector, yet I am a student at your feet. ::)
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My God you got ripped off.
You seriously need to ask for a refund from those schools if you are still so stupid after going through all that "edcuation."
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A CFA charter, MBA, and 10+ years on Wall Street and the financial sector, yet I am a student at your feet. ::)
That actually explains a lot. I talk to "you people" on a daily basis. As if all those letters and years on Wall Street mean a damn thing in terms of having any sense (or scruples). How's "the financial sector" doing these days? ::)
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He sounded like he was reading, "See Spot Run".
Awful.
x 100
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Jindal earns bad reviews in national debut.
But after nearly universal criticism was heaped on Gov. Bobby Jindal's high-profile response to President Obama's address to Congress Tuesday night, the Louisiana Republican may be wishing he had stayed home.
The criticisms came from all sides of the political spectrum, including from those in conservative circles who have promoted the 36-year-old governor as the GOP's most likely advocate to bring the party back from the brink of irrelevance.
Many conservatives say Jindal appeared at best off-balance and at worst downright amateur in his national debut.
Cable access at 3am has better speeches! ;D
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Hell, even his cousins down at the 7-11 and the help desk showed a better personality than he did.
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Let's look at Bobby Jindal:
- Opposes same sex marriage
- Opposes stem cell research
- Supports banning flag burning
- SUPPORTS TEACHING OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN IN SCHOOLS
- Thinks a friend of his was possessed by a demon
- Opposes legalizing marijuana or any other drug
- Supports teacher led prayer in public schools
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Bobby_Jindal.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal
Conclusion: Bobby Jindal is a CLASS A DUMBFUCK NUTJOB!!!
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jindal appeals to the far right minority who has the $.
Just like obama appealed to the far left minority.
This always happens. Then americans have to choose between the major neocuunt and the libby.
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Piyush changed his name to "Bobby" after watching the Brady Bunch. :D
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In the republican response to President Obama's speech, governor Jindal was terrible. He sounded phony, and he looked scared and sickly. His message was pathetic.
Maybe the dude will be ready for prime time in about 16-20 years. :-\
With Blanco being in your username I guess you liked the governor before Jindal.. Liberal Scum
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Piyush changed his name to "Bobby" after watching the Brady Bunch. :D
ZERO is going to be a one term disaster anyway.
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Is it safe to say though, after all this drama, that Jindal's performance didn't help the GOP?
That his future as a possible president candidate seems a little less likely?
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I would say that this somewhat hurt his public appeal as a potential presidential candidate... for now. He could easily turn it around with better public appearances. Most of us that have seen him before know he typically comes across better than he did on Tuesday.
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You say that he appealed to a right wealthy minority, I disagree.
His message appealed to everyone who wants smaller government. That was the key point. How could you miss that?
Obama will crucify FAMILIES that make 250K and over. He will also hurt businesses that gross 250K and over, thats a lot of businesses. A family that makes 250K with both parents working and a couple kids is not rich. They are upper middle class. Obama is definitely redistributing wealth.
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Is it safe to say though, after all this drama, that Jindal's performance didn't help the GOP?
That his future as a possible president candidate seems a little less likely?
Not at all. We're four years away from the next election. No one is either in or out at this point, except for maybe John Edwards.
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Look, Obama is what he is. He is never going to be a fiscally prudent person. Shit - he has never even had a real job in his life.
We need someone who can match brains for brains, style for style, and more important than anything else - PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
Michael Steele, anyone?
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Michael Steele, anyone?
No.
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Michael Steele, anyone?
You're kidding, right? Steele is a clown.
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the 2011/2012 leader hasn't emerged yet. it'll be someone unexpected.
steele = obnoxious.
jindal = creepy extremist.
palin = dumb extremist.
there's a moderate, someone like Crist, who will woo the betrayed voters who hate the anti-gun traits of the dems.
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the 2011/2012 leader hasn't emerged yet. it'll be someone unexpected.
steele = obnoxious.
jindal = creepy extremist.
palin = dumb extremist.
there's a moderate, someone like Crist, who will woo the betrayed voters who hate the anti-gun traits of the dems.
I don't see Crist as possessing the charisma to be successful on the national stage. Perhaps he can get it together over the next couple of years and polish up his act. The problem with moderate repubes in presidential elections is that the primaries pull candidates to the hard right. You can't get the nomination without appealing to the white evangelical base. McCain reluctantly got their vote, but the enthusiasm seemed to be lacking.
All I know is that the repubes better stop trying to go brown face. Steele, Jindal...there is no point in trying to prop up ethnic minority leaders when your party is overwhelmingly white and your base is in the south and rural west. I don't believe Jindal would win a primary in single state in the south outside of his own state of LA. Republicans better look to someone who can help them get back some of the coastal states. Find a guy outside of the south. Pawlenty and Romney are probably are the strongest options at the moment, but Pawlenty seems rather boring and Romney as rather stiff and is a Mormon.
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The problem with moderate repubes in presidential elections is that the primaries pull candidates to the hard right. You can't get the nomination without appealing to the white evangelical base. McCain reluctantly got their vote, but the enthusiasm seemed to be lacking.
Rudy, Mitt, and Mccain were all liberals in their day.
They all 'acted' neocon in 2007, but everyone knew the score. They were libs who converted because they liked to capitalize on fear/terror card. high tax, big govt, blow money, gun grabbing, illegal lovin' liberals, they were.
Crist is Jeb Jr and loved around FL, an obama state.
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Rudy, Mitt, and Mccain were all liberals in their day.
They all 'acted' neocon in 2007, but everyone knew the score. They were libs who converted because they liked to capitalize on fear/terror card. high tax, big govt, blow money, gun grabbing, illegal lovin' liberals, they were.
Crist is Jeb Jr and loved around FL, an obama state.
Rudy got his ass handed to him in the south, and Romney did not fair much better. This is precisely my point.
McCain could never be classified as a liberal at any time.
You may love Crist, but it remains to be seen if he has the charisma to appeal outside of FL. Personally, I don't see it right now.
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You guys are going to explode when ZERO becomes a one term disaster.
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I completely disagree. I like Michael Steele and listen to him every Friday AM driving to work.
He is absolutely not obnoxious 240, you must not hear him much. He's got a great attitude and presentation. He doesn't have that insulting tone many partisain politicians have.
He believes in traditional conservatism. Its hard to agree with anyone 100% but I agree with the majority of what I hear from him every week.
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The problem with the GOP is that it is filled with too many panzi milq
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IMO, the party needs to concentrate on protecting freedoms, limiting gov intervention in the private sector, lowering business and personal taxes and fighting socialist programs. This is what could win the election for them because Obama's administration has turned out to be far left economically and with regards to big government spending and control. This will attract moderates back to the party in 2010 and 2012.
As Benny mentioned, some of the base is evangelicals so a candidate would need their support without going overboard with religious conservative social values.